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Good morning. We are continuing our discussion
of Christian apologetics this morning. And after spending a
couple of weeks looking at scientific naturalism, we are now going
to turn our attention today to spend a little time talking specifically
about evolution or Darwinism. So that will be our topic of
discussion for today. Let me begin with a word of prayer. Father, we're grateful that you
set aside this time for us each week to be together as your covenant
people, to be challenged by the word, to be thoughtful in the
way that we understand our faith and how we defend our faith,
and ask that you would bless our time together this morning
as we look at the subject of evolution. We pray in Christ's
name. Amen. So really the starting point
for our discussion of evolution and the reason I spent so much
time talking about naturalism is because that's really where
it starts. For a quick review, what is naturalism? I believe that everything that
we have is created in nature by nature and that's the only
process. Okay, so the idea in naturalism
is that there are certain natural laws that are used to explain
everything. How we got here, how things change,
so on and so forth. Natural laws have to explain
everything and that necessarily excludes what? Anything supernatural. Another
similar philosophy that goes right along with that is the
philosophy of materialism, which is the idea that the material
world is all there is. Matter. That's it. He who dies
with the most toys, still dies. Yeah, and so... Logically, if
that's our worldview, if that's our philosophy, then how is that
going to affect our choices? There's no eternity. There's
no standard of right and wrong. It's just grab whatever you can
get and have as much fun as you can because this is it. But really,
those kinds of things are philosophies of despair. But the point was
that we wanted to establish that what passes for science today
is actually this idea of naturalism. It's a philosophy. And it's a
starting point. And it has some very important
assumptions that are generally overlooked. namely that it necessarily
excludes the possibility of God, the possibility of any supernatural
explanation for anything. So it's very biased in the way
it even begins. So we come to the subject of
Darwinism then. Reviewing Darwinism as a simple
matter, once we've established that its starting point is naturalism. So if we stop and think about
it for a moment, if we're operating out of a naturalistic framework,
what is it that we're going to come up with to explain the diversity,
the complexity of life that we see around us? Yeah, it ends
up being a combination of the two critical elements, chance
and time. Time and chance. Now I've used this terminology
a few different times for you as we've looked at the topic
up to this point. And here I'll use it again. Evolution
is a rescuing device. It's a rescuing device to explain
the complexity of life in the absence of any guiding intelligence. And that's a term that Greg Bonson
uses and it's meant to convey what? We've got to come up with some
kind of an explanation, right? But we've already excluded the
possibility of any supernatural kind of explanation, so we have
to come up with some other kind of explanation and it ends up
being something that is generally very contorted. We're having
to do contortions to try to explain what we're seeing. Now another thing I'll borrow
from Bonson here is that he says what we should be doing is teaching
more about evolution and not less. So that's what we're going
to do today is spend a little time teaching more about evolution
because the way it works is if you know very little about evolution
it's frankly a lot easier to believe. And if it's kind of
couched in a scientific way, with scientific authority behind
it, scientists say this is how things work, and we've got evidence
for it and so forth. If we don't know very much about
it, it's easier, frankly, to take the bait. But isn't that... You're talking about rank and
file. Surely, in the academic community, they know a great
deal about... I mean, I know some people committed
to at least theistic evolution over the academy. And they are
well informed. It's just their commitment is
not rational, but it's... I mean, I just don't think that's
a fair statement to make unless you're talking about rank-and-file,
average, everyday Americans. Because the biological community
is committed to it, and they're not stupid. Yeah, and I'm speaking
from a layman's standpoint. That those of us who are not,
you know, evolutionary biologists or what have you, that the more
we know about evolution, the better. From the standpoint that
we can begin to see some of the things that are obviously questionable
about the theory. That's about a lot of things
that are unbiblical. If we don't know the other side, We can't
defend it. We can't defend our side. We
know where they are. And so that's part of what we're trying to
do this summer is bring some of those topics to the discussion
and put ourselves in a position where we understand those things
to an extent that we're better able to defend the biblical worldview.
I did see a film one time with Michael B. He's a biologist. Darwin's Black Box is the book
he wrote. And he said that the whole time
he was going through school, all the way through graduate
school, and I think even into his early professor years, he
said that he did not, no one gave him an alternative opinion
or an alternative theory, or look, or whatever. And it wasn't
until he was challenged by a graduate student, I think, that he really
began to look at the other side of the issue. So I think they're
steeped in their biological training, which is very, very one-sided. And if they knew more from another
perspective, perhaps they would change their thoughts. Yeah,
and that kind of ties in with what Jim was saying a minute
ago. Really, you're committed to that belief system. And it
may be all you've ever been exposed to if you are in the scientific
community. Because, contrary to what's often suggested, there's
not that much open-mindedness, is there? It's you either believe
this, or there's something wrong with you. So it's very dogmatic in the
way that it's presented, and if evolution is grounded in the
philosophy of naturalism, then we have excluded already the
possibility of anything supernatural coming into play. And somehow
or another, there's this idea that the discussion about God
is not scientific. I haven't figured that one out.
Art. That is partly based on an assumption that is drilled
in science. First of all, there is only one
way of gaining any truth, and that's through sense experience.
And then, the step from there is that if you can't find out
about it, it doesn't exist. That's, of course, totally irrational,
but that's the movement, in a very crude way. So, science, as most
people see it, has to be based totally on an empirical approach,
and therefore naturalism is the only option. And that's what
they're committed to, as you were saying, totally committed
to naturalism, on that kind of an epistemological base. And
once you're there... That's all you've got. The other
options are all out. One of the things we've talked
a little about is this idea of empiricism. It's the idea that
whatever we know, we have to learn from our sense experience. But there are limitations to
that because we can't learn everything we need to know just from sense
experience. Chris. For years I struggled
with and was always surprised by how intelligent people in
my mind, by many measures, could be so deceived, I guess would
be the word that I would use. And I think it's important to
come back to Romans 1 and also 1 Thessalonians. It's not just people choosing. There is a hardening
of a heart. And verse 21 says, For even though
they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but
they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
professing to be wise and become fools, and exchange the glory
of an incorruptible God for an image in the form of a corruptible
man. And there is a hardening of heart,
bent towards our fallen nature, that progresses people much further
than what we might rationally think was possible. men and women, how could they
ignore the evidence? How could they believe the stuff
in spite of alternative? And one of the good biblical
examples of that is the case of Pharaoh and the plagues against
Egypt, right? All the plagues that God brought
against Egypt were not enough to convince Pharaoh to change
his mind, was it? Bill, were you going to say something? I think you were talking about
the importance of religion and those who aren't We don't have the background
in the sciences that several scientists do. And I've looked
at the church as a whole. For generations, we've fallen
under the spell of the Catholic Institute. I like the way that you word
that. We have kind of fallen under
the spell, haven't we? I think that's the point you
were trying to make. There are those who are committed
just because that's what they want to do. But statistically,
anti-American people, the majority, have not accepted religion. Yeah, even after a couple of
generations of non-stop indoctrination, there's still a majority of people
in the country who are skeptical about evolution. Why is there
secretism going on though? Because that's how we end up in positions
like theistic evolution and stuff like that. So we try to rationalize
two things. I'm really interested in what
we've grown up in the public education system from grade school
on. That's what you've been exposed
to. That's all you get. Unless you've
been, yeah, unless you've... Christians, we kind of dabble
with more in terms of your little bit here and a little bit there. I'm not the same. It's got a few things, but you
really don't understand what they're teaching. And when you
do, the fallacies start Yeah, it's time to take a closer
look at it. There's another passage, Chris
mentioned a couple a moment ago, but there's another one that
I think also comes to bear on this and that's 1 Corinthians
1. where Paul is kind of mockingly saying, where is the one who
is wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this
age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? For
since in the wisdom of God the world does not know God through
wisdom, it pleased God through the folly of what we preach to
save those who believe, and so on. And the idea is what? It's not a matter of how smart
you are, or how well educated you are. That's not the issue. It's a spiritual issue. And as
Chris said, there's a hardening of the heart, but there's also
a depravity of the mind that goes along with that, isn't there? So it makes it possible for someone
to accept a whole lot of contradictions in their worldview, because they're
committed to a worldview that has excluded the possibility
of God's existence. They have shut Him out. Now I'm
inclined to ask, kind of as a starting point, what is the compelling
evidence for evolution? I mean, you hear in the news
all the time that there's all this evidence for evolution.
What is it? Or they found a missing link. Yeah, the missing link,
as if there's just one, right? As if you wouldn't have literally
billions and billions and billions of missing links over the periods
of time that they say evolution has taken place. I think many would argue that
the diversity and how related everything is is suspicion, if
not evidence, of evolution, even though there's a lack of evidence
prior. Today, they would look at it
and say, all these things are related, there's common Okay,
so like for example, maybe you've heard a number that says something
like, when we compare our DNA to a chimpanzee's DNA, it's 98%
match or something like that. I don't know what the number
is. Is that proof that we're somehow
related to monkeys? Arguments from morphology. Well,
we look a lot like them, or a lot of the animals look a lot alike.
They've got two eyes and two ears and maybe hind legs and
four legs. There are all kinds of similarities
between creatures. You use those kinds of arguments
for common descent, but is that proof? There was a link, I didn't
read it yesterday, I can't remember if it was a
chimp or a gorilla or what. Committed suicide. He must have
been an existentialist. It was probably reading too much
Nietzsche. Well, the popular press is pretty monolithic. Everything
that's discovered, everything that's experimented on, everything
that's done anything with science is all interpreted under the
naturalism perspective. And so that makes, quote unquote,
the evidence to most people compelling. What we do see, and we've talked
about this too, that the argument is not over the facts, because
we're looking at the same dinosaur bones and the same whatever.
The argument is over how do we interpret those facts. We look
at morphology and say, well, a lot of animals look very similar
in the way that their bodies are put together. So if you're
an evolutionist, that becomes a proof for common descent or
common ancestry, If you're a creationist, what is that proof of? Common
designer, right? So there's more than one way
to interpret the data. And the question is, what is
your philosophical starting point for interpreting the data? Frankly, there really is no evidence
that directly proves or supports evolution. There's a lot of evidence
that's presented, but as Dale says, It's interpreted in a way
that seems to favor evolution, but that's not the only way that
it can be interpreted. I'd like to spend some time looking
at some of the assumptions that Darwinism rests on. One that we've already mentioned
is that the universe is really old. I mean, talk about something
that is treated as settled science. The universe is 15 billion years
old, and we hear that all the time. And it's stated as an incontrovertible
fact. Yeah, carbon dating or radiometric
dating, there are a number of different ways that we try to
estimate the age of fossils, for example, or rocks. And all
of those kinds of things depend upon a number of assumptions
that are never really examined. So for example, where do we get
the idea that the universe is 15 billion years old? And why
does that change so much? You know, most of you have been
around long enough, you've probably heard that it was less than that,
like 10 billion, maybe 20 billion. The number has been all over
the place, just within the last 20 years or so. How is it that
we've kind of settled in on 15 billion as the number? Yeah,
we look at the most distant object we can see and based on the speed
of light, which we treat as a fixed constant, we say that it took
at least 15 billion years for the light to get from that object
to Earth. Therefore, the universe must be at least that old. And again, there are assumptions
that are built into that How do we know those are true? How
do we know the speed of light has always been constant? Actually,
I think there's a passage in Genesis 1 that suggests that
it's not always been constant. Because when God creates the
sun and the moon and the stars, it just parenthetically says,
and the stars also, when he's talking about the greater and
the lesser lights. And doesn't it make sense that if he created
the stars on day 4, that from that moment the stars were visible
from Earth. Otherwise, it would have been
at least four years before the first star started to twinkle,
Alpha Centaurius, four light years away. So Adam and Eve wouldn't
have seen any stars unless God made them visible at the moment
that he created them. That doesn't line up with modern
cosmology. Are they assuming that somehow the Earth is the
center of the whole thing? No, because we don't know what
the center of the universe is. You have to have some point from
which it begins. Yeah, a reference point. So,
even then, and like I said, that number has changed over the years.
If we discover a more distant object tomorrow, then we'll revise
that number. So even something like that,
the age of the universe, is a subject of a great deal of debate even
among those who believe that the universe is very old. How
do we know exactly how old it is? 4.55 is what the internet
says. How much, Kelly? 4.55 billion.
Is that referring to the age of the earth? Yes. Okay. So there you go. I mean we have
it down to So on the internet, it's a fact. Is that Wikipedia?
No, I just searched on that phrase. See, I just looked at Wikipedia
and this is $14 billion, give or take $3 billion. What? And
then you go to another site and it's the same. The light could
already have been in the tree that was already halfway there
or something. Yeah, I mean, God can do what
he wants to, right? And there's a way for us to explain what
we see in terms other than the universe being 14 or 15 billion
years old. Is it Einstein that won the day
with the speed of light being constant? I mean, that doesn't
make any sense. The speed of light in water is the same as
it is in outer space. Well, it's a constant in vacuum. There's a maximum, and that's
what it's referred to. In a vacuum, the speed of light
in a vacuum is treated as a constant. Is there a naturally created
vacuum in the universe? See, when Penny was out there,
he had the speed of light. When he first started mapping,
the Voyager 1 and 2 go outside the solar system, but they're
really outside Our solar system is vacuum-less, but it's not
a vacuum. Then they were calculating how
long messages back and forth would go, and when it started
getting further outside of our solar system, the time that the
messages were coming back were reducing instead of getting longer. There are a lot of calculations
out there that, if we were smart enough to read them, we'd find
that there are statement in those calculations
for the variation in the speed of light. And I think it was
David Pliny who said that Einstein was the poster child for the
theories that were out there. He happened to be able to put
the mathematic formula to them. And of course, everybody said
it was irrelevant. But it was. Yes, it went out
in the Maxwell Precinct, outside of Maxwell. Yeah, sure. And he
pretty well laid that out on a slide for us. But that's tough to explain to a
physicist. Anybody. They haven't read up
on it. Yeah, I don't want to believe
it. So you could probably get an
evolutionist to admit that the kinds of events that are necessary
to get us to where we are today are very unlikely events. But
what's the rescuing device? Lots and lots of time. If we
have enough time, then in here in your notes, an event that's
highly unlikely becomes almost inevitable given enough time.
If you have monkeys typing on computers long enough they would
be able to handle it. Yeah, you'd basically have all
the works of Shakespeare from a totally random process. But if you stop and think about,
I mean, if we use that analogy, one of the consequences of that
is that you realize that if that's how things really happen, then
there must have been a lot of mistakes. Right? There were a
lot of typos. And so one of the questions should
be, if we're scientific, if we're looking for things in the natural
world, where are they? Where are all those mistakes?
Because there should be a lot more of those than there should
be of a complete manuscript that's coherent and tells a coherent
story. Well, in that scenario, you're
presupposing that nature knows what Hamlet looks like. But if it's just inanimate objects
forming, then how does nature know it's written Hamlet? We're
going to talk about the problem of information. And it is a huge
problem from an evolutionary worldview. They've also come
up with a new rescuing device. of multiple universes. I love
that one. That's a great one. Which, even
if there's not enough time, let's say, in another universe, this
one just happens to be, I mean, there's a bazillion universes,
which we can't find, of course, but this one just happened to
be the one that... Everything came together just
right. All the physical constants, you know, all the electromagnetic
constants, gravitational laws, everything come together just
perfectly in this universe. What a coincidence. Did you happen
to listen to the KOA drive-in today? That was a topic. Stumped the professor. Alright,
so those two ideas go together very closely. The idea that,
first of all, you have very unlikely events, but if you've given enough
time, you can explain why those events happen. And statistically,
that's nonsense, by the way. You don't improve the probability
of an unlikely event occurring by waiting longer. It doesn't
happen. Another one, and this is something that was very true
from Darwin's standpoint, that the first form of life was simple. The idea was that there was this
kind of blob of protoplasm, and so we could have a very simple
form of life that started out as one cell and eventually became
something else. The problem is, over the last
100 years, how has our understanding of cellular biology advanced? By light years, right? I mean, it was almost 100 years
after Darwin published Origin of Species that DNA was discovered. And DNA should be a death knell
for evolution. Because there is no way you can
explain that by any random process. But if you study a little bit
about molecular biology, it's fascinating because there's this
complex world at the cellular level where you have these molecular
machines that are taking instructions from the DNA and building proteins
and putting these things together and doing this all in response
to what's going on in the environment, what's needed by the cell. You
just stop and think about the complexity of something being
able to reproduce itself. It's staggering. How do you explain
these things? There's no such thing as simple
life. That's what it boils down to. There is no such thing as
simple life. Life is incomprehensibly complex.
We're only now beginning to unlock some of its mysteries at the
molecular level. One of the big leaps that the theory of evolution is based
on is this one here. That's the variation that we
see within kinds is how we eventually get speciation. In other words,
we look at the variation we see in different kinds of dogs. We've
got big dogs, we've got little dogs, we've got nice dogs, we've
got mean dogs, and so on. And so eventually all that variation
adds up over a period of time, long time, and eventually a dog
becomes something else. I don't know, a giraffe. So here's a big leap that evolution
takes, and we differentiate between what's called microevolution,
which is the variation within species, and macroevolution,
which is the formation of new species. And to go from microevolution
into infer, macroevolution is a huge leap, and there's no evidence
to support that leap. So we have lots of variation
within kinds. You can look around the room and see that. We're
all humans, but there's a lot of variation when we look around
the room. And all that variation was coded into our DNA. In fact, if you really want to
go back, all the variation we see in the room today was coded
into the DNA that God placed in Adam and Eve. And it's been
passed down to us through generations. So there's incredible variety
that is coded into our DNA. I saw somewhere that one couple
could have billions of children and no two of those children
would be alike. There's so much variation within DNA. That doesn't serve to explain
evolution because part of the problem is when you have hybridization,
when you're selecting for certain characteristics, like you want
a Chihuahua. So you select the characteristics for a Chihuahua.
That Chihuahua doesn't become something else. Actually, when
you compare that Chihuahua to the original dog, that Chihuahua
has less genetic information. In order to become something
else, he's got to have more genetic information come from somewhere
to go from being a Chihuahua to a giraffe. So there's a big
leap that takes place there and there's no scientific proof at
all that that can occur. Another assumption is that evolution
proceeds by natural selection, which favors the best adapted
specimens and eliminates the least adapted specimens. And if that's the way things
got to be the way they are today, then logically extinction was
part of that process. The weaker were eliminated, right?
They're no longer with us. How do you falsify a natural
selection of a survival phrase? It's a tautological statement.
Because the most fit survive. Why do the very same people protect
the public animals? Why do they protect these endangered
species if they believe this theory? That's where I was going
with that. I added that note in there to point out the absurdity
of conservationism. Oh, we've got to protect the
spotted owl or whatever the latest endangered thing is. You can't procreate. Well, and
you can make an argument against homosexuality from Darwinism
because if you cannot reproduce, you cannot pass on whatever your
particular genes are to the next generation. World Magazine had
a one-pager from some academic source arguing for rape. Yeah,
why not? He's wanting to perpetuate the
species. You end up with some really...
You can go a lot of different places with this. What is, is
what is right. Yeah. We talked early on about
something called the reductio ad absurdum argument, where you
take the belief of the worldview and you drive it to its logical
conclusion and see what you end up with. We're going to create
a master race. So all we're doing,
all Hitler was doing from his world view was trying to give
a helping hand to evolution. Just trying to push it along
a little faster. That's it. And how do you defend against
that if that's the world view that you live in? because there's
nothing sacred about human life in that world. Well, with naturalism
you can have no values. That's right. So, all of that
sort of stuff. Anything goes. But they're constantly using
it at every turn. So what they're using, that value
judgment, is illegitimate money. That's the presuppositional argument
against that. If that's your worldview, if
you believe in naturalism, then you have absolutely no basis
for arguing for morality. Peter Singer, the supposed ethicist
at Princeton tries to put a human face on
evolution. He tries, and it's just utterly
unsuccessful. If survival of the fittest is
the morality by which we understand the way the world works, why
do we care about the homeless the infirm or the insane. It's the same thing. I mean,
it really... And what's interesting is he's a... His parents were
refugees from the Third Reich. And they fled to Australia. And he sounds like a Nazi. He really does. Well, at this
point, in my classes, I like to use the atheistic view. who
points out that you judge a person's true beliefs by what he does,
not by what he says. And you don't find these people
acting consistently with their theory. You can't, because there's
nothing consistent about the worldview. No, nothing consistent
about the worldview, but nothing consistent about their personal
behavior. Don't do as I do, do as I say. Well, and again, what Bronson
argues from a presuppositional standpoint is that all these
other worldviews have to borrow capital from Christianity. They're
having to steal capital from Christianity in order to have
any legitimacy as a worldview. And so part of our job is to
point that out. Okay, here's another interesting
one. The first form of life sprang from non-living chemicals in
an otherwise sterile world. Stop and think about that for
a second. The world at one time, according to this idea, was sterile.
There was no life whatsoever, just chemicals. And then that
first life popped into existence. And somehow or another, I'm sure
evolutionists know the answer to this, but somehow or another
that first form of life was able to survive and to reproduce.
It was an electric charge. Where did that come from? Where
did that electric charge come from? Yeah, just atoms bumping
into each other, Jim. Just keep repeating that. Also, we know from this belief
that the first form of life was the source of all plant and animal
life that we see today. that everything got to be the
way it is today based on the descent from this original, whatever
this simple form of life was that just popped into existence. And here's one we've mentioned
already, that when mutation occurs, it's got to produce new genetic
information. In order for us to have speciation,
new species from existing species, there has to be new information
coming from somewhere. It's all driven by information
at the cellular level. Another one is that mutant life
forms are able to reproduce and pass on their mutations. It's interesting today if you
notice the irony of how much time and effort and money we
spend in order to combat mutations. Cancer is a mutation. Yeah, why
are we fighting cancer? If you get a brain tumor, how
do we know that's not evolving into some new organ that's going
to advance the intelligence of the race? But again, when we put it like
that, it sounds ridiculous, doesn't it? Because we know from our
own experience that those things are bad. That mutations are generally deleterious and not advantageous.
Do we know any advantageous mutations? Once again, it's the second law
of thermodynamics. Everything tends toward chaos. Look at how
torn mutations can be. If you're not careful, you can
define it in such a way that certain changes are mutations
and other equal changes are not mutations. I'm just suggesting
that's something to watch all the way through these kinds of
arguments. How do we define the terms? The
definition becomes absolutely essential. How do we define the
terms? Another assumption that evolution
hinges on is the idea that all the intermediate stages of complex
biological systems had to be both functional and advantageous.
Functional and advantageous. So it had to do something and it had to do something advantageous
in order for it to be passed on. If it was a disadvantageous
or non-functional change, then what would natural selection
do? Flush it out of the system. Really, it had to be functionally
advantageous the very first time it happened. With the very first
incremental change, yeah. And so, if you make an argument,
for example, about the development of the eye, how did the eye develop
the way it did? And evolution would say, well,
initially it was just a light sensitive spot. So some cells
mutated and it became a light sensitive spot and that provided
an advantage to the creature because he could either move
in the direction of or away from the light. Put another name for
that skin cancer. On the micro-evolutionary, aren't
there advantageous adaptations. One of the examples that was
persuasive to Darwin was the adaptation of the size of finch
beaks in the Galapagos Islands. And how the size of the finch
beaks changed according to how wet or how dry it was, which
is to say according to how difficult or easy it was for the finches
to crack the nuts that they used as their food. But the problem with that kind
of argument is that when you watch that long enough, what you see
is that yes, at times the beaks will get larger, but then at
other times they'll get smaller. So you're going around in a circle.
There's not a sense in which the finch is becoming a flamingo. It's still a finch, it's just
that the different generations are adapting somewhat to their
environment according to information that's already coded in their
DNA. So again, that becomes a dead-end
argument from the standpoint of evolution. Another one, adaptive developments
include things like gender, intelligence, Consciousness. And what's the last one? Morality. You know, how is it that we just
happen to be more intelligent than a tree? Well, that's just
an evolutionary adaptation. Everything has to be explained
by evolution. We've touched on the next one.
All forms of life are related by descent to a so-called tree
of life. Maybe you've been exposed to
Darwin's tree of life in biology or somewhere. That's pure fiction. It doesn't
line up with reality at all. Say that sentence again, Robert.
All forms of life are related by descent through a so-called
tree of life. But I'm sure you've all seen
the tree. You know, you've got the single-celled organisms down
here at the trunk and then it branches out into all the different
phyla. And eventually, mankind is out
there on the end of one of those branches. The one that's got
monkeys on it. If evolution is true, then the
nature of man is no different from any of the rest of the animal
kingdom. And again, that has huge consequences,
doesn't it? Why should we do anything to protect human life?
There's nothing particularly sacred about human life compared
to anything else. And that's Peter Singer's point, too. There are non-human persons and
there are human non-persons. It's all the same. We dispose
of non-persons Yeah, so Peter Singer argues
why shouldn't we have a six month grace period after the birth
of a child where parents decide they don't want the baby, they
can just kill the baby. I mean, why stop at killing the child
in the womb? There's no reason to logically stop at that point. Yeah, at least extend that into
the teenage years, right? But that points out, that points
out how that is an arbitrary stopping point, isn't it? It's
completely arbitrary to say six months. Why stop there? There's absolutely no reason
to stop there. Peter Sander couldn't even live by his own principles
because he insists on taking good care of his aging, invalid
mother, who is one of those non-persons,
not contributing, etc. etc. etc. Yeah, it's the quality
of life. Her quality of life is no good
anymore, so why should we keep her around? And that is a dangerous,
it's one of those arguments that sounds It's sort of credible,
but it's really a code word for something malevolent. Evolution is sociological as
well as intellectual. And we see that, for example,
in the idea that those of us who cling to our religion, we're
clinging to these ancient superstitions rather than embracing the enlightened
rationality of the 20th and the 21st century. So evolution becomes an explanation
for everything, including our sociological progress and the
idea that we can build some kind of a social system that is the
perfect society. We're trying to build that utopian
society. And that's a dangerous thing given man's fallen nature. Whether you approach evolution
from the standpoint of scripture or science, It's easily refuted. As the name implies, Darwinism
is a philosophy. And it's been cloaked in scientific
garb. So you can approach it more than
one way. If you stand with both you and science and say, okay,
let's look at the theory of evolution as a scientific theory and see
how well it stands up, it doesn't stand up very well. If you start
with scripture, it also doesn't stand up very well. Now, what does scripture have
to say? From the standpoint of the scripture, there is nothing
in the creation account that suggests or requires any evolutionary
process whatsoever. And remember that evolution is
a process. It never stops. It started when that first simple
form of life popped into existence out of nothing, and it continues
to the present day and will continue as long as the earth remains.
The idea is that it never stops. But when we look at the Scripture,
God very clearly says that He created things, and He created
animals, and He created man. And when He created them, what?
It was good. It was done, in other words.
There was nothing else to do. There was no process to it. So all plants and animals were
created according to their kinds, including mankind. And all plants
and animals reproduce only according to their And we can look at a couple of
verses in Genesis 1 that make that point for us. For example,
verses 11 and 12. And God said, Let the earth sprout
vegetation, plants yielding seed, and fruit trees bearing fruit,
and which is their seed, each according to its kind on the
earth. And it was so. The earth brought
forth vegetation, plants yielding seed according to their own kinds,
and trees bearing fruit in which is their seed, each according
to its kind. And God saw that it was good. So everything reproduces
according to kind. Plants and animals. Look down at verses 21. So God created the great sea
creatures and every living creature that moves, with which the waters
swarm according to their kinds, and every winged bird according
to its kind. And God saw that it was good.
Verse 24, God said, Let the earth bring forth living creatures
according to their kinds, livestock and creeping things and beasts
of the earth according to their kinds. And it was so. And then of course, the ultimate
point of creation was what? Yeah, creation of man. So God said, let us make man
in our image, after our likeness, and let them have dominion over
the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the heavens, and
over the livestock, and over all the earth, and over every
creeping thing that creeps on the earth. So man was a unique
creation, and like the rest of creation, man reproduces after his kind. Now, in order for the whole creation
to be declared very good at the end of the sixth day, it had
to be complete and without the competition and death required
by evolutionary progress. And this was the point that fully
and finally convinced me that there was no way to reconcile
evolution to the Scripture. Because the creation could not
have been finished and it could not have been very good if you
had all this competition and death that was going on for billions
of years before eventually Adam and Eve came out of something. And obviously it does a great
deal of damage to the question of who were Adam and Eve? What
were Adam and Eve? Were they human or were they
something else? So there's no way to reconcile
that. What happens is that when we try to reconcile the Bible
with Darwinism, these are really just vain attempts
to accommodate an unbelieving worldview. I don't know how to make that
point more strongly. When we try to accommodate evolution
with creation, we are trying to accommodate an unbelieving
worldview. I've listed a few things there
for you on the second page that evolution doesn't give us an
explanation for. I've also included a few quotes by those who believe
in evolution Let me look down at those first
of all. Richard Dawkins, we know, he said, biology is the study
of complicated things that give the appearance of being designed
for a purpose. But don't be fooled. Life is
meaningless. He also said, even if there were
no actual evidence in favor of the Darwinian theory, we should
still be justified in preferring it over all rival theories. Don't spear your copy, Jim. Again, this is a philosophical
commitment. And this is what's important
for this evening. Stephen Jay Gould said, the extreme rarity
of transitional forms in the fossil record is the trade secret
of paleontology. You know, we're supposed to believe
that the fossil record provides compelling evidence in support
of evolution. It actually does just the opposite. It actually
destroys the theory of evolution. A couple more quotes. George
Gaylord Simpson, it remains true as every paleontologist knows
that most new species genera and families appear in the fossil
record suddenly and are not led up to by known gradual completely
continuous transitional sequences. That's actually a little bit
of an understatement. Gould's theory, Gould's rescuing
device is called punctuated equilibrium. What we're referring to here
is called the Cambrian Explosion. When you look in the fossil record,
or the geological record, you see that prior to the Cambrian
level in the fossil record, you have only very simple single-cell
kind of life forms. And then suddenly in the Cambrian
record, all the animal groups appear all at once, together,
with no evolutionary history. That's a huge problem for evolutionists.
and they fall over themselves trying to explain that. Lewis T. Moore, the more
one studies paleontology the more certain one becomes that
evolution is based on faith alone. Does that sound like science
or does that sound like a religion? Sir Arthur Keith, evolution is
unproved and unprovable. We believe it because the only
alternative is special creation which is unthinkable. And Thomas Huxley, the primary
direct evidence in favor of evolution can be furnished only by paleontology.
If evolution has taken place, its marks will be left. If it
has not taken place, there will be its reputation. And Darwin
knew the problem when he proposed his theory in the mid-19th century.
What was Darwin's rescuing device when he wrote The Origin of Species? We just haven't discovered those
transitional forms yet. And so he assumed that future
generations would discover those transitional forms. Okay, 150
years later, where are they? They're not there. So what's
today's rescuing device? RY already said. You already
named it. Oh, punctuated equilibrium. Yeah,
Gould came up with the theory of punctuated equilibrium, which
is this idea, instead of Darwin's theory, that change happens very,
very gradually over a long period of time. Gould said, well, no,
actually change may have occurred very rapidly in a very short
period of time, and so we have these periods where we have basically
stasis, where animals stay the same, and then suddenly they
become something else. And it happens so fast, This
is what's great about his theory. It happens so fast that there's
no record of it in the geological record. It's great, isn't it? The stronger
the theory, there you go. It shows how ridiculous we can
be when it comes to trying to explain it. Let's take a look at at least
a couple of the points here that evolution doesn't explain. We've
already mentioned information. That's a big problem. Because information always precedes
form. If you want to build a house,
you first have to have plans before you actually start putting
the house together, don't you? You want to build a car or anything.
Anything in our experience has to have its origin in an idea
before it can become reality. Unless you're an artist. Well
then you can just take a can of paint and throw it against
the wall. There's an example, I want to give you an example
where scientists are very selective in their application of this
rational principle. How many of you have heard of
something called setting? What does that stand for? The search
for extraterrestrial intelligence. And how do we go about that?
We've got antennas, we're picking up radio waves from outer space,
and what are we looking for? What's going to be the proof
that there is life out there? Not necessarily a pattern, but
information. By itself. But we know that information
doesn't happen by itself, right? Otherwise, if we get some information
from outer space, how do we know that it's actually proof of extraterrestrial
intelligence? So the point is that they know
that a signal with information content has to have an intelligent
origin. It's not just background noise.
But they look in the mirror and they see evolution. that all
the information that's contained in themselves and in every other
biological system just happened accidentally. There's no explanation
for where matter and energy came from. In other words, they rely
on the explanation that the universe created itself. How rational
is that? What is nothing able to produce? Well, it's alright because I
know that. There's a quote from Richard Dawkins. He says, the
fact that life evolved out of nothing, some time a million
years after the universe evolved out of nothing, is a fact so
staggering that I would be mad to attempt words to do it justice. So he admits that. Yeah, he admits
that it's inexplicable, but they believe it anyway. Because what
else are they going to believe? Look at the quote down there.
We can't believe in a supernatural origin. We've already excluded
that possibility. How did complex molecules organize
themselves? How did life come out of non-life?
How did the first life survive in an otherwise sterile world?
How did it reproduce itself? How did single cell life become
multi-cell life? And here's a key, not just multi-cell
life, not just a clump of algae, but an organism with highly differentiated
cells. How did asexual creatures first
develop male and female sexuality and how did they reproduce? How
did that happen by some incremental process? Yeah, and in such a way that each new
generation still had the ability to reproduce. We talked a little bit about
how all the major animal groups appeared at one time in the fossil
record. Where are all the intermediate
forms? If evolution is true, then when we look at the fossil
record, in fact when we look at life around us, what we should
see is primarily forms in transition, not static forms. Where are all
those transitional forms? Where are all the mistakes? Another one that's pretty perplexing
is how did the fossil record preserve soft-bodied creatures? So ask yourself the question,
does the fossil record give us a better, does it line
up more closely with the biblical record of a global flood or does
it line up better with the uniformitarian view of geology where stuff just
happens by very gradual processes over millions of years? Gradual
burial, gradual sedimentation. The fossil record itself points
to the fact that the creatures that we find there were buried
catastrophically, not gradually. They were buried alive to put
it another way. How is it that we have animals
that we find in the fossil record that we say are tens of millions
of years old and yet they look just like the creatures that
live today? The coelacanth? Yeah, we talked
about the coelacanth. And how they assumed that the
coelacanth had been extinct for millions and millions of years
until they caught one back in the early part of the 20th century.
And then they caught a few more. Oops. How did biological and ecological
systems evolve? And how did the ecosystem evolve?
You know, which came first? the flower or the bumblebee,
because they're depending upon each other. And here's another
interesting one that I learned just this past week watching
a video called Darwin's Dilemma, which specifically talked about
the Cambrian Explosion and how that was problematical. And that
is that while genetic information is coded within the DNA, we don't
know where body plan is coded. In other words, the fact that
we have two eyes and two ears and two arms and two legs, we
don't even know where that information comes from. So there are so many difficulties
when you start to look at evolution as a theory. But if you start
from the recognition that evolution is a philosophical worldview,
it is an atheistic worldview, it becomes even easier for us
to refute it with a Christian worldview. Questions or comments
before we finish up? Yes, ma'am. They're assuming that at some
point we found it selectively advantageous to adopt some kind
of a moral framework. That's how they try to explain
that. How else can you explain it? Only humans have done it. So why hasn't the animal world
done it? See, that's exactly what's breaking
down with moral values. It's now up to each person to
decide for himself. And right only means that which
I prefer. So my students are telling me
this constantly. prefer something quite similar
than why I prefer to be in a certain way, even though I may prefer
to treat you in a different way. But that is breaking down. So is that part of the evolutionary
process that we are now hopping into? Well, the point is that,
again, to fall back on the naturalism, there is no such thing as value.
Therefore, there is no such thing as right and wrong. We've suddenly
gotten to the point where we're saying, OK, I believe in naturalism,
and this necessarily results from it, so I'm going to begin
acting this way. And I think we're at a very crucial
place in our history where finally this kind of thing is going to
start acting out more and more. The thing that happened in Denver
the other day doesn't surprise me. It said, we see the consequences
of abandoning our historical moral roots. And we see more
of that every day. Any other comments or questions
before we wrap up? Okay, let's pray. Father, we pray for your wisdom
as we consider how we are to be witnesses in a fallen world,
how we can even use tragedies like the shooting in Aurora as
an opportunity to witness to the truth of your word and of
your law. Help us in these things and help
us to be vigorous defenders of the faith and help us to stand
firm in the truth of your word. We pray in Christ's name. Amen.
Defending Your Faith: Darwinism
Series Apologetics 2012
Sunday School at Forestgate Presbyterian Church in Colorado Springs.
| Sermon ID | 6623224106234 |
| Duration | 1:05:32 |
| Date | |
| Category | Sunday School |
| Language | English |
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