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Good afternoon. My name is Josh Dykstra. I am
part of the Spring Conference Committee that helped organize. We want to welcome you to the
Mid-America Reform Seminary for the Spring Conference. We are
very, very blessed to have Dr. Beal with us this year. We hope
that this time is a good time of learning and refreshment that
the Spirit would work in all of us. Before we begin, We would
also like to welcome those that are live streaming. For the first
time, we are actually going to be live streaming this event,
as well as have an audience here. For those that are live streaming,
by all means, please type in your questions into the chat
box there. They will be relayed, and hopefully
some of them will be answered during our question and answer
period. We will have three lectures beginning at 2 o'clock, 3 o'clock
and 5, sorry, 2 o'clock, 3.30 and 5.30. We will have a brief
meal between the 3.30 and 5.30 meal or the 3.30 and 5.30 lectures. If you are interested in that,
there is still space available and you can come see one of the
committee members. either myself or Pete Ventoff who's up front
right now, and we will sign you up for the meal. It's a light
meal for $5. Before we begin, let us pray
that the Lord would bless this time. Gracious Lord, Heavenly Father,
as we come before you this afternoon, we ask that you would bless us
here in this place. As we meditate upon your word,
O Lord, we ask that you would be with us, commune with us by
your spirit. We ask that you use your servant,
Dr. Beal, to instruct us faithfully
in your word. that we may learn, that we may
grow closer to you, and that you would be glorified in this
place. This we ask according to the
dear name of our Savior, Jesus Christ. Amen. Our speaker for the 2015 Spring
Conference is Dr. Gregory Beal. He is the J. Gresham Mason Chair of New Testament
and Biblical Theology at Westminster Theological Seminary in Philadelphia.
He has a bachelor's from Southern Methodist University, a master's
also from Southern Methodist University, a master's in theology
from Dallas Theological Seminary, and a PhD from the University
of Cambridge. He was ordained in 1992 by the
Conservative Congregational Christian Conference. He has an illustrious
teaching career at Grove City College, Gordon Conwell Theological
Seminary, the Wheaton College Graduate School, and he took
his current position at Westminster in 2010. He's the author of many
books, including a New Testament Biblical Theology, We Become
What We Worship, The Temple and the Church's Mission, and the
commentary on the New Testament's use of the Old Testament. Without
further ado, here is Dr. Gregory Beale. And having been
a Congregationalist for many years, it wasn't mentioned that I am
ordained now in the Orthodox Presbyterian Church. So hopefully
I'm now acceptable. But even when I was a Congregationalist,
my version of Congregationalism was the ecclesiological statement,
was the Cambridge platform created in 1650 that had a synodic framework
somewhat like Dutch Reformed churches. So it wasn't hard for
me when Westminster wanted me to come. I said, would you be
willing to become Presbyterian? I said, sure, no problem. Ecclesiology, my own Granted,
a lot of Congregationalists don't hold to that 1650 statement,
but at any rate. So I thought having heard that
resume, I should say something that I do have a lot in common with
you. And so I'd like you to open your Bibles. I hope you have
your Bibles. We're going to be doing a lot
of industrial strength exegesis. old and the new. This first lecture
is titled The Purpose of Symbolism in the Book of Revelation. We're
just going to start just by looking at one verse, Revelation 1 to
kick us off. Revelation 1.1 says, the revelation
of Jesus Christ, which God gave to him to show to his servants
the things which must shortly take place. And he sent and communicated
it by his angel to his bondservant, John. We're going to let that
set the pace for us. Let's just ask God's blessing
on our time again. Father, we do ask that you give
us eyes to see. ears to hear heart to understand
your word that we might be conformed increasingly to your image reflect
your glory in Christ's name amen many of us have heard the statement
that's almost a proverb whether in churches or businesses or
homes we've done it so long this way why change it it's often
a proverb in churches and when something goes on for a long
enough time even if it's a bad habit and sometimes especially
if it's a bad habit it really the longer it goes on the longer
it is And the harder it is to change because we get accustomed
to it. Sometimes it takes something
radical to get our attention to change. Many of us who are
parents who have children are aware that children can fall
into these habit patterns. And sometimes we have to use
various forms of discipline to get their attention and to stop
the bad habit patterns. Sometimes we've heard over past
years young people who get captivated by a cult, and then the parents
hire some detective to go steal them from the cult. Then they
have to be deprogrammed out of the worldview of the cult, sometimes
by various methods that will shock them into the reality of
the normal world. Over the last few years, of course,
we just heard about the massive earthquake in Nepal, tsunamis,
hurricanes, tornadoes. I mean, these things are are
happening all the time. And when we hear them, and they
seem to happen so much in our world today, you just hear it
on the radio, it may not make as much impact. I remember when
I heard about the tsunami some years ago, massive tsunami. I
said, Oh, that's, that sounds pretty bad. But then you saw
the pictures of it and made a much more, much deeper impression
on me and on us. I'm sure many people are moved
to actually send support when they see the television news. I actually see pictures of these
things happening. Now, if this is true on an everyday
level, how much more true must it be spiritually? We're people
who get accustomed to our sinful habit patterns as well. And what
I want to look at is what radical actions God takes to get our
attention in this book, this book of Revelation. Now, you
notice it has Revelations symbols. I want to make a point about
that. Notice the apostrophe. This is not the book of Revelations,
but it's Revelation. And therefore, now I'm speaking
of the possessive here, Revelations symbols. So don't think I'm speaking
in the plural. in many churches, popular culture,
talk about the book of Revelations. And that is not, as we saw in
verse one, this is the revelation, singular, of Jesus Christ. So the book of Revelations, a
good place to see what radical way God attempts to get our attention
about these matters of sinful habit patterns and how does he
communicate to people in this book. Now, one popular approach
to interpreting the book is to interpret literally as much as
possible, unless you're forced to interpret symbolically. That is an approach in some scholarly
circles, especially dispensational circles, and circles where people
don't realize they're dispensational, but basically hold that kind
of a view. And so it's not an uncommon approach that's popular
in many, many evangelical churches, not only here. around the world. So this view understands most
of Revelation's pictures as a depiction of literal realities. There's
a one-to-one correspondence between what's being pictured and what
will happen in history, since most of the book is taken to
be something to occur in the future. And the reason for that
is because they take the symbols. They take the pictures literally. And they say, nothing like this
has ever happened. This has to be something we're still awaiting. in the future. So I want to investigate
that programmatic hermeneutical statement by what I will call
the exclusive futurist, who take chapters four to the end of the
book as exclusively future and literal, and that is interpret
literally unless you're forced to interpret symbolically. And I want to look at Revelation
1.1 in that regard. Let's look at it again. the revelation
of Jesus Christ which God gave to him to show to his servants
the things which must shortly take place, and he sent and communicated
it by his angel to his bondservant John. How does this help us in
understanding this issue of whether revelation is predominantly to
be understood more literally or perhaps predominantly to be
understood more symbolically? Well, it's interesting when you
look at the translations. I tried to find a pointer today,
by the way. So I got this. I was told that
sometimes it's used to sort of tap students on the shoulder
if they're falling asleep. Actually, they didn't say that.
It was in a rescue mission where they said this happened. But
at any rate, so what we have here, I want to give you the
various English translations that render this Greek word a
samanin. And it is the word that's translated. I'm reading from the New American
Standard. That last phrase, you see that? He sent and communicated
it by his angel to his bondservant, John. And that word, you'll notice
that some translations have communicated, New American Standard. Some have
made known at this point. A number of them, RSV, NIV, Jerusalem
Bible, ESV, New English Bible. Some have signified King James,
ASV, and the Catholic Douay. And some have made clear Net
Bible. The New American Standard does
have a marginal reading of signified. You can see whenever, by the
way, if you're a student preparing for the ministry, It's very important to have about
six or seven Bible translations. Why? Because when you're preaching
or teaching a Bible study, you need to know where the interpretative
problems are in order to make clear what the text is saying. So in a certain sense, you have
to say, OK, in this case, you would say, well, This translation
says this, that translation says that. Which is it? And what this does is, I'm not
sure if that's going to work on the blue. They told me it doesn't work
on the blue background. So I'm going to have to be very prehistoric.
Thank you. So what this does is, immediately,
we've got a problem, don't we? When scholars disagree on various
translations committee, translation committees, that's a problem. So how do we solve it? Well,
perhaps in this postmodern, even postmodern evangelical context,
we'd say, well, you know, you have your view communicated,
and I have this view signified, let's just agree to disagree.
That's the way we solve these kind of problems, right? No,
that's wrong. We don't agree to disagree. Now, sometimes we have to do
that. There's certain things that are not clear in certain
passages of scripture. And, of course, the clear interprets
the unclear. So what do we do in a case like
this? Well, in this particular case, you could do a word study
and that would be helpful. But in the process of doing that
word study, what you would find is that in the Greek Old Testament,
this word is used in the book of Daniel. Now, at this point,
I want you to look, if you have your Nessalalon 28th edition
and your 27th edition, if you didn't bring it, that's okay.
But if you do have it, I want to point it out. One of the most
important things for preaching redemptive historically, and
if you want to preach in a Christ-centered way, understanding how the old
relates to the new, when you're preaching the new, for example,
what you want to do is look at the margins, the left margin
and the right margin of your Nessalon Greek text. And I would
say even if you don't know Greek, if you're a pastor here, you
don't know Greek, get it anyway. Don't worry about translating
the Greek. The margins have these amazing references that are not
only quotations but a number of allusions. And they'll help
you to see when a New Testament writer is using the Old Testament.
It'll help you, therefore, to have a more redemptive, historically
contextual message and be sensitive to that. In this case, my Nessel-Alan
text. Anybody have a margin in their
text, by the way, at this point? A marginal reading that has references,
even in your English Bibles? Anybody have anything to the
Old Testament? Who said that? Daniel, yeah. Daniel 2, 28 and
29 and 45. So we'll go there. And let me show you the wording
here. First of all, note the references
in Revelation 1, 1 that are in common with Daniel 2, 28, 29
and 45. The reference to revelation,
apocalypsis, the reference to God, well, you know, some of
us say, well, that's pretty common. But then the reference to show
here, though they're synonyms, not exactly the same Greek word.
Then the whole phrase, what must take place, and then this word,
semino. Sorry, I couldn't indicate long
vowels for the omega and eta there. But at any rate, And this
is just what we have in Daniel 2, 28 and 29. And even the editors,
the German editors here, agree that this is an allusion to Daniel.
There is a God in heaven who reveals, it's apocalypto, the
verb, instead of apocalypsis, mysteries, and he has shown What
must take place? And then Daniel 2.45 concludes
the vision with, God has signified, semaino, what must take place. So there we get that. So not
only the phrase hadagonesti, but sho, revelation, and semaino,
all of that together. This is why most Bibles in English
and in Greek have this as an allusion. Now if my wife were
here, she would say, so what difference does that make? Big
deal, because when we were first married, I loved to find illusions
that perhaps not many people had seen. I'd come home real
excited from doing my doctoral work, and I'd say, look what
I found. I don't think anybody's seen
this. She'd say, OK, so what difference does that make for
interpretation and then application to our lives? So what difference
does it make that this is an illusion to Daniel? Well, what
we want to find is? What? Since it's an illusion,
how is Se Mino being understood? Remember all the translations
differed on that? Remember that? Well, here's what you do. You try to understand the context
here of Daniel 2 and understand, you know, does Se Mino and Daniel
2 mean generally to communicate or to make clear? Or is it more
specifically to be understood as signify, communicate by symbols? You can see that if you're someone
who takes the book more literally, then you're going to take the
word here, semino, you're going to take that generally. Well,
this is communication. This is just making clear. It's a literal communication.
You're not going to go with the idea of signified. I mean, your
overall framework of Revelation will make you favor that particular
group of translations and not the ones that say signify or
communicate by symbols. Okay, what does it mean in Daniel?
If we can understand what Semino means in Daniel, then I think
we can understand how John's using it. Now, there's a big
debate in New Testament studies, even in Evangelical, even in
Reformed, Presbyterian evangelical studies. And that is, does the
New Testament use the Old Testament with the same contextual idea
as in the Old Testament? And I think it does. And I can't demonstrate that.
But if you come up at a break, I can tell you the books I've
written to try to demonstrate that. And I can give you the
books that have been written that disagree with me. So now. What does it mean in Daniel?
Well, let's try to get to the bottom of that. In Daniel 2.45,
we've seen this word occurs, the end of the vision. What's
going on in Daniel 2? Remember, Nebuchadnezzar has
a dream. And in that dream, what does he see? He sees a big statue
in four sections. Babylon is the head of gold.
And then the next section is the Empire of the Medes and the
Persians. The next, the Greeks. The next
one, probably the Roman Empire. There's some disagreement by
commentators on that. But they represent the evil empires
of the world. And then a stone cut without hands smashes the
image. And it says that that stone grew
and filled the earth and that it represents the kingdom of
God. And then the conclusion is, oh
Daniel, God has say my note to you what must come to pass. Well, it's what Nebuchadnezzar,
it's what he saw in the dream, the vision. Does that have a
one-to-one correspondence with? history. In other words, is there
going to be a huge statue that's going to kind of walk through
the earth and through cities, kind of like the Godzilla film,
as Godzilla did in New York City? Of course not. This is the same
kind of thing as you find with the donkey representing Democrats,
you know, in the newspaper sections, or the elephant representing
the Republicans, or the bear representing Russia. It's the
same kind of thing. And so however you translate
this at the end of Daniel 2.45, the likelihood is, and this is
the Greek Old Testament, which John is more dependent on here
than the Hebrew. Sometimes he's dependent on the
Hebrew. But in this particular case, he's dependent on the Greek,
saying that the Greek is elaborating and unpacking what was in the
Masoretic Aramaic text. likely, highly probably, this
is a communication by symbols, right? It's a communication by
symbols. This signified, and so probably
the translations then that had signified or communicate by symbols,
that is the best translation. What have we tried to do here?
We tried to solve a big interpretative problem by letting scripture
interpret scripture. In this case, the old and the
new. And that will often be very helpful. So when you come across
a problem, one way to sometimes solve it, yes, is a word study.
And more specifically, if you've got old and the new, you don't
really need to do the word study as much as you need to find out
if this is a definite reference to the Old Testament text, understand
what it meant, and how does that shed light on our text here.
So I think what we have here, then, is that this is a communication by symbols, and
it can be translated signify as well. But even if we didn't
have this, even if this word wasn't there, and I think it's
there to make it very clear, but even if it weren't there, even
if it was some general word, like Magnon or whatever. It really
wouldn't matter because of the context of Daniel. Daniel is
concerned about interpreting the symbolic vision that was
given to Nebuchadnezzar. But this word is used to make
it very clear that this was a symbolic communication. And even this
word If you look at your text again in Revelation 11, the revelation
of Jesus Christ which God gave to him to show to his servants
what must come to pass, and he signified by sending through
his angel to his servant, John. Notice that phrase there, the
revelation of Jesus Christ which God gave to him to show. Now that word show in Greek is
deknoumi, and wherever you find it in Revelation, without exception,
it's found about four times, it's always introducing clearly
a symbolic vision. It's very clear. In chapter 17,
verse 1, it introduces Babylon the Great, who's sitting on many
waters. That was not a literal picture.
She's not on this giant apocalyptic inner tube. It's floating on
some kind of weird ocean. But she's, you know, it's a symbolic
vision. This word in 21.9, in 22.1, introduces
again visions of the new Jerusalem. And in chapter 4 and
verse 1, also visions, symbolic visions of God on His throne
and of angels around Him. In the light of this, if chapter
1 and verse 1 is to be translated as that last phrase, and he signified
or he communicated by symbols, by sending through his angel,
then the popular hermeneutical dictum translate or interpret
literally, unless you're forced to interpret symbolically, is
to be turned on its head. Really, expect symbols. Interpret
symbolically, unless you're forced to interpret literally. And certainly
there's literal material in the book of Revelation. So I remember
when I was teaching on this at one point at one of the institutions
I've taught at in the past, a student came up to me after class and
said, you know, in my church, if you take the book of Revelation
symbolically, then and you don't take it literally, then you're
on the road to liberalism, because you're going to start spiritualizing
stuff like resurrections and Jesus' resurrection and so forth
and so on. And I said, you know, I just
talked about one Revelation 1-1. I said, because I take chapter
1 and verse 1 literally, I take the book symbolically. And so
I'm very interested in literal interpretation. But what's the
intention? The intention to be symbolic
or not? So it's very important that we
start out that way. Now, if the main mode of communication
in Revelation is that of symbolism, how should we interpret the symbols? Now, I can't go into great detail
on that, but some are defined. Some we have. I mean, you'll
remember some of them. For example, seven lampstands,
seven churches, seven stars in chapter one of the seven angels.
The great dragon is Satan. The saint's fine linen is the
righteous acts of the saints. The bowls of incense are the
prayers of the saints, and so on. That doesn't happen very
much. If it happened a lot, our commentaries would be a lot smaller,
a lot smaller, because John's giving his own commentary. But
most of the time, we don't get those definitions. So what happens
then? Well, most of the time, sometimes
you'll find in one verse of the book of Revelation that you'll
have three Old Testament allusions. And you go back to the Old Testament,
find the meaning there, just as we did in chapter one and
verse one. Going back to Daniel 2, you find the meaning And about
eight times out of 10, it'll help a great deal with getting
a handle on what it means. And whenever these symbols, even
the defined symbols, when they appear once and John explains
them, you'll find a lot of them appear again and again and again.
And people start debating about them and what they mean later. And we'll see this in the second
lecture on Revelation 11 today. But if it's been defined once,
John doesn't need to define it again. We can assume that it
has the same meaning when it's used elsewhere. And that has
significant bearing on how we interpret the book, and a significant
bearing on how we understand the two witnesses. Are they individual
prophets? Or what? What are they? And I
think one of the images used for them is lampstands. So we
want to understand, what does that mean for us? How does that
apply to them? The numbers are symbolic as well.
Seven, the number of completeness, based on the seven days of creation,
the seven day week. Even Proverbs talks about wisdom,
building her house on seven pillars, the fullness of wisdom. So it
is completeness. And the first shot, the first
symbolic shot in Revelation, right in chapter one, verse four,
it talks about God. The seven spirits before his
throne in Jesus Christ. Well, it sounds suspiciously
like a Trinitarian formula. And some commentators actually
want to say, no, these are seven apocalyptic angels. And you can
find different angels, sometimes seven in apocalyptic literature.
But in fact, it's speaking of the fullness of the spirit. It
is a Trinitarian formula. Seven right there. The first
number in the book is clearly symbolic. What we want to do then is to
begin to ask, if the main mode of communication and revelation
is symbolism, then why? Why is that the main mode? No other book is quite like this.
Some say, well, Jesus spoke in parables. Yeah, but the Gospels
are historical biographies. Yes, Jesus spoke in parables.
He did a lot of other things. And it's a whole narrative. It's
a historical narrative. It's not as central in Paul.
Of course, all of Scripture does use symbols, but not quite as
intensely as the book of Revelation does. Well, why does John do
this? Well, it could be that The visions
could not be expressed by abstract language. So he just writes the
picture down and leaves it at that. Some would say, well, it's
to show continuity with the Old Testament. Because some of the
symbols we find in the book, we find in the Old Testament.
Some have said, well, it's to make the diligent reader of God's
word dig deeper to get the richer treasures. That may be true.
But I think the Old Testament connection is probably the best
way to go. And more specifically, John is
a prophet like Jesus in the Old Testament prophet. So if we can
find out what is the use of symbolism by the Old Testament prophets
and by Jesus, then I think we're going to get the key to why John
is using symbols. So the next part of my address
today will be titled, The Old Testament Prophets and Jesus
Use Symbolism in Response to One Situation. Prophets in Jesus
use symbolism only in response to one situation. When did they
use symbolism? Well, the prophets living toward
the end of Israel's history had the primary role of warning Israel
to repent, or they soon would be judged, thinking here of Isaiah,
Jeremiah, Ezekiel, and others. By the time of their ministries,
their message was that judgment was coming. You could repent,
And if the nation repented, it might stop, but it was already
in the process of coming. They prophesied it was coming.
And so judgment was coming. Now, they delivered their warnings
in very rational and sermonic manner, convicting their audience
of this habitual sin that they become accustomed to, self-serving
sin and moral lassitude. trying to recall to them the
lessons of the wilderness generation. But they didn't listen to it.
It had little positive effect. And in the midst of this kind
of communication and preaching, they would also speak in symbols
and act out things symbolically. So they took up forms of warning
which might, perhaps from one perspective, gain them a better
hearing. Now, such a change in warning
form is effective only with regard to the faithful remnant, who
have ears to hear and eyes to see. But those who don't have
ears to hear and have hard hearts, symbolic language and parables
cause them to misunderstand further. So this is very important, the
twofold effect of symbols. Now, for hardened unbelievers,
the literary form of symbolic parable appears whenever ordinary
warnings are no longer heeded in the midst of those warnings.
And no warning will ever be heeded by those so far disobeying. But
the believing remnant are affected to some degree by these symbols. one of the best places in the
Bible to see this is in the book of Isaiah. You remember here
Isaiah says, Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, Whom
shall I send who will go for us? Then I said, Here I am. Send
me. And he said, go and tell this
people, keep on listening, but do not perceive. Keep on looking,
but do not understand. Render the hearts of this people
insensitive, and their ears dull, and their eyes dim. Lest they
see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their
hearts, and return and be healed. Then I said, how long, Lord?
How long will this hardening last? God says, until cities
are devastated without inhabited houses or without people, and
the land is utterly desolate. The Lord has removed men far
away into captivity, and the forsaken places are many in the
midst of the land. Yet there'll be a tenth portion
in it. They'll return from captivity, and it will again be subject
to burning like a terebinth or an oak whose stump remains when
it is felled. The holy seed is its stump. They have eyes, but they can't
see. Ears, but they can't hear. Heart, but they can't understand,
verses 9 through 10 have said. Then, all of a sudden, in chapter
7 of Isaiah, and in verse 3, we find a parable. In chapter
7 of Isaiah, we find that Isaiah names his children with symbolic
names. For example, in chapter 7 of
verse 3, one of his sons is named, a remnant shall return. Now when
little remnant shall return is late for dinner and his mother
says remnant shall return. Where are you. Please come home
for dinner. You know most Israelites are saying you know typical prophet
naming this kid some name like this weird biblical name. And
so that may have been the majority opinion but those with eyes to
see and ears to hear would say you know Isaiah is no fool. He's
a prophet and little remnant will return is really a parable
for us. We're going to go into captivity.
then we will return, but only a remnant. And then in chapter
eight, he names another son, Swift is the booty, Speedy is
the prey. And when Swift is the booty, Speedy is the prey, he's
late for dinner. His mother says, Swift is the booty, come home.
Same thing. Many might not see the significance,
just think, oh, that's weird. But the remnant faith will see
that this is really a walking parable, that there's going to
be judgment from Assyrian, ultimately, from Babylon. So the parabolic
aspect of the prophet's message is closely linked to the hardening
commission of chapter 6 and verses 9 through 10, and may be considered
one of the means by which the people are to be blinded and
deafened. In other words, you have 6, 9, and 10. You have ears
but can't hear, eyes but can't see, heart but can't understand.
And all of a sudden, you get a parable. What's the connection? I think there is one. And the
connection is the parables are a flag saying, you are deaf. You are blind. You have a heart that doesn't
understand. And the parables come as part of the judgment.
They're the first stage of the judgment for the majority of
Israel. The remnant, however, on the
other hand, are shocked, stimulated into the meaning of the parable
and are able to trust. Take the walking parable in chapter
20 of Isaiah. Remember that Isaiah walked around
for a number of years in chapter 20 and in Verses two to six says, Lord
spoke through Isaiah the son of Amos saying, go and loosen
the sackcloth from your hips, take your shoes off your feet.
He did so going naked and barefoot. The Lord said, even as my servant
Isaiah has gone naked and barefoot three years as a sign and token
against Egypt and Cush. So the king of Assyria will lead
away the captives of Egypt and the exiles of Cush, young and
old, naked and barefoot, with buttocks uncovered to the shame
of Egypt. And the Israelites too would suffer in the same
way because they had fled to Egypt. wrongly to find refuge
there instead of staying in the land and trusting in the Lord. You remember Ezekiel 12. Ezekiel
digs through a wall and carries baggage through it as a sign
that in fact that would happen to Israel. And chapter 12 is
introduced by the phrase, they have ears but can't hear, eyes. but they cannot see. So again and again, you find
this, for example, also in Chapter three of Ezekiel. Chapter three
ends with this statement. Thus says the Lord, he who hears,
let him hear, and he who refuses, let him refuse. And then Chapter
four verses one through three starts with a parable again.
And what is the parable? He gets a brick. Ezekiel will
take a brick, write Jerusalem on it. And it's kind of like
playing in a sandbox. Conduct siege works on it, and
put a ramp against it, and ladders, and this sort. It's a little
model of what's going to happen to Jerusalem in judgment from
a foreign invading power. And so just as he has just said
at the end of chapter 3, you have ears, but you can't hear. Then you have the parable. The
parables, I think, are one of the instruments by which The
hardening is intensified. The blindness is intensified.
And yet it does shock the remnant back into the reality of their
genuine faith. So now when we come to Jesus,
why did Jesus speak in symbolic parables? Remember they ask him
in Matthew 13. But before they ask him, notice
what we have. He who has ears let him hear,
and the disciples came and said to him, why do you speak to them
in parables? He answered and said to them, to you it has been
granted to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but
to them it has not been given. whoever has to him will more
be given and he shall have an abundance but whoever does not
have even what he has shall be taken away from him therefore
I speak to them in parables because while seeing they do not see
while hearing they do not hear nor do they understand he's quoting
Isaiah 6 and then notice what he says there are some he quotes
Isaiah 6 here and Then he says, but blessed are your eyes because
they see your ears because they hear. In other words, the remnant
represented by the disciples are going to understand the parables,
whereas the majority are not. And so, Jesus is saying the purpose
of his parables is not to enlighten unbelievers. for the most part. It is to judge them. When you see parables in the
Old Testament and in the New Testament, it's what we might
call, you use the phrase around here, redemptive historical,
I'm sure. It's a redemptive historical sign that judgment is here. And only a remnant will be delivered. Only they will be stimulated
and understand the parables. So yes, Jesus spoke in very rational
terms and historic terms about Israel, but in the midst of it
you have these parables. So like the prophets, Jesus took
up symbolic forms of warning. Symbolic action, parables and
words. But this change in warning was effective only with regard
to the remnant represented by the disciples who were not 11
and they're not 13 they're 12 because they represent the restoration
of true Israel in themselves. Now it's interesting there is
a problematic passage in the Gospels with regard to this Isaiah
6 hardening language in Mark 8. Listen to this language Jesus
is speaking to the disciples and he says To them, do you not,
this is Mark 8, 17, do you not yet see or understand? Do you
have a hardened heart? Having eyes, do you not see?
And having ears, do you not hear? Do you not yet understand? Sounds
like that they're just as hardened and blinded, and they're gonna
be judged just like the rest. But notice the difference. Saying,
do you not yet see or understand? Do you not yet understand? They're
part of the hardened lump. They become conformed to the
world, if you will. That is, at that time, to the majority
of unbelieving Israel. And they're slowly, perhaps,
but surely coming out of the anesthesia of that lump, which
they have been conformed to. Those who have ears to hear and
hear not have become irretrievably hard-hearted. However, symbolic
language and parables cause them to misunderstand further. Now,
there is a middle group because God is always at various points
bringing people out from the hardened lump into the remnant. So yes, this does happen, but
generally speaking, This was language, these symbols was a
flag showing that judgment was upon Israel, as it was in the
Old Testament. So it's come in a much greater escalated way
in the latter day, prophet Jesus, the prophet par excellence. So let me just stop here. As
with the prophets of old, Jesus' parables were a sign that judgment
then had come upon the majority. So symbolic parable enlightens
the believer through shock, but hardens the unbeliever. And what
I want you to get is the pattern. To observe that the hearing formulas,
having eyes but not seeing, ears but not hearing, in the Old Testament
and Matthew 13 precede parables. They go together, that language.
of what we might call sensory organ malfunction language, if
you want to put it that way. Your eyes and your ears are not
working. Then you get a parable. Why?
Not only to show that you're hardened, that they're hardened,
but it's one of the ways that further intensifies their hardening. They're not going to understand.
And yet, for the small remnant, they will be shocked into it.
Now, this is supposed to be a series on Revelation. Where did Revelation
go? Well, here we are. By the time
Revelation is written, John stands at the end of Israel's very existence.
As a nation, they've rejected Christ and his warnings of judgment.
But how does this help us understand Revelation's use of symbols? By the time Revelation is written,
he stands at the very end of theocratic Israel's existence. And it's very intriguing that
at the end of each of the letters, and in Revelation 13, you have
the phrase, he who has an ear, let him hear. Now, this is an
illusion. to Isaiah 6, as we saw, notice,
their ears are dull, and Ezekiel 3, 27, he who hears, let him
hear, as well as Ezekiel 12, 2, but especially also to Matthew. I mean, Jesus says this not only
in verse 9, but verse 43 concludes with he who has ears, let him
hear. He's probably alluding back to those Old Testament passages.
Originally, Isaiah's the first one, and So this is an illusion,
probably to what Jesus said, but also including at least Isaiah
6 and perhaps the Ezekiel passages. So what difference does that
make? Well, it's a kind of summary of Jesus' use of Isaiah 6 to
explain the way Jesus used symbolic language is the way John is using
it. As he began, as Jesus began speaking
in symbolic language to Israel on earth, he continues to do
so through John to the seven churches. And as in the Old Testament
and Jesus' parables, the hearing formula of the letters. Now notice
this. Remember, you always got having eyes but not seeing, ears
but not hearing, then parables. You kept getting that pattern.
What do you get? The introduction to the book of Revelation, seven
times at the end of each letter. He wasn't here, let him hear.
Seven times. And then what do you get in chapters 4 to 22.5? Parables. It's the same pattern. And so I think the symbols are
being used in the same way. In what way is that? The church,
the continuation, and by the way, it's not the replacement
of Israel. I do not hold to a replacement theology. It is the continuation
of true Israel. Why? Because Jesus is the continuation
of true Israel, Isaiah 49, 3, Galatians 3. And because we identify
with him and we come into union with him, we also are the continuation
of the remnant of true Israel. He summarizes the remnant in
one person, Jesus, and then all those who identify with him are
part of that remnant. The church, the continuation
of true in time Israel, had become spiritually like Israel of old
and were in the same danger. In fact, both in the Gospel of
John and in Revelation, the plague signs of the Exodus are repeatedly
alluded to in the trumpets and the seal judgments to show that
both Israel and then later many in the church were spiritually
destitute and were beginning to undergo judgment. Now, I confess
that this is not an optimistic post-millennial perspective. What do I mean? Well, you look
at the seven churches. There's a literary pattern. The
first and the last, they're on the verge of losing their identity.
Remember Ephesus? I'm going to remove your lamp stand unless
you repent. In Laodicea, if it could be worse, maybe a little
bit worse, I'm going to spit you out of my mouth. And in the middle,
three churches are not far behind. And the middle verse, of all
of the letters. Listen to it. Chapter 2 and verse
23. What does it say? I will kill her children with
pestilence and all the churches will know that I am he who searches
the minds and hearts. I'll give to each one of you
according to your deeds. This is pretty tough stuff. It's
only the second church and the sixth that are good. It's a minority,
it's a remnant of the churches that have no accusation. And
the only way I think we can understand this is through a concept of
the visible and the invisible church. The invisible, Israel,
covenant community, and the invisible. And so, Paul testifies to this. You remember
Paul, 2 Timothy chapter 1 and verse 15? You're aware of the
fact that all who are in Asia turned away from me among whom
are Phygelus and Hermogenes. So it's a remnant theology. It was a remnant in the Old Testament.
It does not stop. The remnant theology does not
stop in the New Testament. It continues on. So the reason then, the prophets
Jesus and John use symbols is so that Israel and the church,
in time Israel, And we should perceive spiritual reality and
not merely listen to abstractions about it. So the next part of
my lecture is titled, Revelation Symbols Either Sedate or Shock
Us Back into the Reality of our Relation with God. Revelation
Symbols Either Sedate or Shock Us Back into our Relation with
God. This is the main point of the repeated phrase in Revelation,
He who has ears, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.
One of the essential meanings of parable in Hebrew and Aramaic
is comparison, application. That's one way to translate it.
People are to look at the picture, apply it to their lives. This
can cause us to look at truth and reality in a different way
in order that we can be shocked back into the reality of our
faith. God's people, we, often don't want to hear about the
reality of our spiritual condition. And that's why we've got to go
into the pulpit and faithfully preach the word of God. And that
homiletical dual effect proverb, I think is so appropriate, afflict
the comfortable and comfort the afflicted. We ought to always
have something like that in our preaching, in our Bible studies,
as was the case with the prophets and Jesus and with John. If the truth is presented straightforwardly
sometimes to us to convict us of sin, we won't accept the fact
of our sin quickly. How many of you are married?
There's a problem. Maybe the husband's done something
wrong. Or the wife has, for example,
when I do something wrong, and my wife says, Why did you do
that? I'll say, You're right. I'm so sorry. Please forgive
me. I have to confess to you. My
first mechanism of reaction is me. What did I do? And we were
a people that don't want to admit sin. If you think about it in
your heart, that's not our first response, is to say, I'm miserable. Well, we can tend to rationalize
it away. This is what happened when David
sinned by committing adultery with Bathsheba and then killing
Uriah. David comes before him, you remember,
and he presents a parable, doesn't he? Listen to it. There were
two men in one city, the one rich, the other poor. The rich
man had a great many flocks and herds. The poor man had nothing
except one little ewe lamb, which he bought and nourished. And
he grew up together with him and his children. He would eat
his bread, drink of his cup, lie in his bosom like a daughter
to him. A traveler came to the rich man. He was unwilling to
take from his flock or his own herd, to prepare for the wayfarer
who had come to him. Rather, he took the poor man's
ewe lamb and prepared it for the man who had come to him.
Then, this was something that didn't happen, right? It was
made up. It was a parable by Nathan. How does David respond? His anger burned greatly against
the man in this parable. As the Lord lives, surely the
man who has done this deserves to die. He must make restitution
for the Lamb fourfold because he did this thing and had no
compassion. Nathan then said to David, you are the man. And so he said, judgment will
come upon you. Son will die. So there will be
judicial ramifications. But the symbolic story catches
David off guard. It causes him to focus. Objectively,
something separate from himself, when he understands it, then
comes the hammer. You are the man. And that, when
we read the book of Revelation, these symbols are not depictions
from John's perspective of some kind of technological militaristic
future, or some amazing thing where you get flying giant apocalyptic
scorpions, and so forth and so on. These are things that give
a spiritual reality. both about ourselves and about
forces outside of ourselves that could affect us. Only after David
had fully understood the pictorial story, felt its emotive impact,
does Nathan apply it to him. You are the man. Or some areas
of our lives, perhaps in which as pastors, as students, as teachers,
to which we are spiritually insensitive. One general area could be extreme
poverty and suffering. I know some churches will send
mission trips out to poorer parts of the United States. They did
that when I was in New England. My children went. And they really
got a close-up picture as to what poverty was. But when we
don't expose ourselves to that, make ourselves aware of that,
we don't see the live picture, if you will. We're not as alarmed. We're not as concerned, perhaps. Hitler's Germany. I'm sure if
people had seen the concentration camps, they might, a few more
at any rate, might have taken action and reacted. They just,
they heard about them, they knew about them, they heard about
them. Some sectors of the American church need to make themselves
more aware of these poverty-stricken areas here, shocking the reality
of their existence, not only to help them socially and physically,
but to be a witness to them. That might be one area. in our
own lives? Is it a wrong relationship that
we've gotten used to? Husbands and wives, have we become
complacent about nourishing one another and our children with
God's Word? As parents, maybe we're so busy
in our jobs we don't see each other often, don't spend much
time with the children. Pastors may become complacent
and not take time to prepare their sermons in the text, in
the Word of God, in order that they may preach it faithfully,
and apply it pastorally. What sin are we complacent about?
And what do we need to be shocked about? Each of us needs to go
to the Lord in prayer about that. So Revelation symbols either
sedate or shock us back into the reality of our relation with
God. Now an example of the jarring
role of the heavenly parables, this shock treatment of the parables,
is given to us in Revelation 2 and 17. And I want to look
at that briefly. In chapter 2, If you have your
Bibles, you can go to Revelation 2. Chapter 2, verse 20, it says,
I have this against you that you tolerate the woman Jezebel,
Jesus says, who calls herself a prophetess and she teaches
and leads my bondservants astray so that they commit acts of immorality
and eat things sacrificed to idols. And I gave her time to
repent. She does not want to repent of
her immorality. Behold, I will cast her upon a bed of sickness
and those who commit adultery with her into great tribulation
unless they repent of her deeds. And I'll kill her children with
pestilence, and all the churches will know that I am he who searches
the minds and hearts, and I will give to each one of you according
to your deeds. And I say to the rest who are
in Thyatira who do not hold this teaching, who have not known
the deep things of Satan as they call them, I place no other burden
on you. What is this false teacher teaching? Well, we know that there were
trade union, a number of trade unions for silversmiths, for
sheep herding, and the woolen industry, banking industry, and
each union had a temple, and there was a deity that was their
protector that supposedly blessed them each year, and you at least
once a year would have to go to that temple. and in worship
and to show your loyalty. It's kind of like paying your
union dues, if you will. And Jezebel was saying, you can do
that. It's OK. Just pray to God when they're praying to the false
god. Or the deep things of Satan here, you'll notice. It may be
that she was saying, hey, if you really want to know what
the enemy is like, go into the enemy's den, come back, and tell
us about it, and share it with the other Christians so we can
know better how to fight the devil. All of these were rationalizations.
And it would have totally ruined their witness. Can you imagine
out in the city saying, Christ is the only way. Depend only
on him when people think he may have been worshiping at an idol's
temple. So it was a false teaching. And
it says that they tolerated her teaching. The elders were tolerating
her teaching. Now John wants to shock the sluggish
Christians. So they will discern the gravity
of the situation. And what does he do? Chapter
17. Now, this is what happens in
Chapter 17. One of the seven angels who had
the seven bowls came and spoke with me, saying, Come here, I'll
show you the judgment of the harlot who sits on many waters.
With whom the kings of the earth committed acts of immorality,
and those who dwell on the earth were made drunk with the wine
of her immorality. And he carried me away in the
spirit into a wilderness, and I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet
beast, full of blasphemous names, having seven heads and ten horns.
The woman's clothed in purple and scarlet, adorned with gold
and precious stones, pearls, hat in her hand, a gold cup full
of abominations, and the unclean things of her immorality. And
upon her forehead, a name was written, a mystery, Babylon the
Great, mother of harlots and the abominations of the earth.
And I saw the woman drunk with the blood of the saints and with
the blood of the witnesses of Jesus. And when I saw her, I
wondered greatly. And the angel said to me, why
do you wonder? Or why are you amazed? I'll tell
you the mystery of the woman and the beast that carries her,
which has the seven heads and the ten horns. And then I think
in verse 8, you see one more relevant verse there. No, that's it. Yeah, in verse
6, he says, when I saw her, I wondered greatly, or I wondered with great
wonder. I was amazed with great amazement.
I mean, he's really bewildered by this vision. Now, what in
the world does this have to do with chapter 2 and Jezebel? John wants to, I think, shock
the sluggish Christians in Thyatira, cause them to discern the gravity
of the situation in tolerating this false teaching. And so he
paints Jezebel in her true colors. For example, chapter 17 and verse
16 says of Babylon the whore, that they will eat her flesh. That is the other forces who
are part of the state. They will eat her flesh. They
will turn on her. And that is from 2 Kings 9.36. They will eat the flesh of Jezebel. And Jezebel's destruction likewise
happened according, quote, to the word of the Lord, end quote,
2 Kings 9.36. And so you have that same statement
in Revelation 17. 17. In fact, in my commentary on
Revelation, I have an excursus. There are about 11 parallels
between Jezebel and Babylon. the Great, between Jezebel in
the Old Testament and Babylon the Great. They both seduced
people, they were queens, they deceived by sorceries, persecuted
and killed the saints, and so on. So who is Babylon the Great? She is the, she's not the state. Now the Scarlet Beast, she rides
on it, that's the state. At times she's in corporation.
But Babylon the Great is the corrupt economic religious and
social system, including that religious system, including the
apostate Israel and the apostate sector of the church. And so the commentators have
differed. I've just chosen one of these,
but I think they're all together. And so what are we saying here?
The link between Babylon in chapter 17, who is painted according
to the Jezebel of the Old Testament, It's now linked, therefore, with
the Jezebel in Revelation 2, and it suggests that this false
teacher Jezebel, whether it's figurative as a leader as a false
teacher, or it's an actual false teaching female, that she precisely
represents the apostate sector of the church through which The
religious economic system of the world is now invading. It's invading through her. She
may be using the same vocabulary of the Christian church and of
orthodoxy, but Babylon is making herself aware and making herself
present through the false teacher Jezebel. And John wants to impress
that on the people. This Babylon, the great you're
seeing in chapter 17, this is who Jezebel is a part of. She's
bringing the world's ideas in. and trying to combine them in
some way and say, yeah, you can be a faithful Christian also.
So he wants to shock the sluggish Christians so that they can discern
the severity of the situation. So as we read in chapter 17,
John presents Jezebel in chapter 17 in her true colors as Babylon
the Great. Notice we focused on his shock,
his astonishment. The angels questioned, why have
you become astonished? It's not merely a question about
why John was amazed. Several ideas are evoked, and
it actually comes out of Daniel 4, where Daniel's shocked by
the vision of judgment of the Babylonian king. He's appalled. He's fearful. And so there's
this. this language of amazement and
wonder, it actually has something about being appalled, being shocked,
being in fear. Why? Well, maybe it was because
he saw the blood being spilled by Babylon the Great in this
vision. But probably contributory to
John's shock may have been the parabolic portrayal of Babylon,
not only as Jezebel, but also in the guise of a religiously
faithful figure. Notice in chapter 17 and verse
4, She's adorned in purple, scarlet,
gold, precious stones, having in her hand a gold cup full of
abominations. So what? Well, that same language
is used of the bride in chapter 21 as well. And furthermore, the high priest
in the Old Testament is described according to these same descriptions. Purple, scarlet, gold, precious
stones, pearls, The bride in chapter 21 is depicted
as a priestly figure, and so is Babylon the Great. So John
is perhaps a little confused, the seer himself. He says, God,
this is a lot like the bride. This is like a priestly figure,
and yet he sees. the dissonance. She's causing
the blood of persecution to flow. And so his shock, his dismayment
is expressing the dissonance that he is having. Maybe the
same kind of dissonance that the elders of the church had
about Jezebel. Well, she does some good things, some good teachings,
but she's got some bad stuff here. So like the leaders of
Thyatira, With regard to Jezebel, John may have been temporarily
captivated by what appeared in part to be a spiritually attractive
figure. And he's saying, don't be captivated
like that. Jezebel, indeed, is evil. As much as she may appear
to be a faithful person, she is not. So the point in chapter
2 and verse 20 As long as the church of Thyatira allows Jezebel
to teach such things within the confines of the church, the church
itself is beginning to have spiritual intercourse with the devil's
whore and with the devilish beast himself, upon whose back she
rides in chapter 17. She's the opposite of the pure
woman of chapter 12, who symbolizes the pure, true people of God. John's saying to the Christians
in Thyatira, oh, you want to tolerate this teaching, which
you don't think is too bad? Well, if you do, you're dealing
with the devil himself. and you'll be destroyed. What
they thought was insignificant compromise and sin was really
a crack in their spiritual dykes, which could have let through
a flood of spiritual evil. They needed to be shocked like
John to the true deceptive and evil reality of the false teachers
in their midst, who in some ways could have seemed to be godly.
John's saying revelation symbols then either sedate, there's some
who are really not moved by this, But others are shocked into the
reality of their relation with God. No doubt it is the remnant. Is there a sinful area in our
lives like this or in our churches? So the reason John uses symbols
is so that we should actually see and perceive spiritual reality,
not merely listen to abstractions about it and accordingly be shocked
concerning those sins. which we become anesthetized
to. You've heard the expression, a picture's worth a thousand
words. I'm sure you've certainly heard
about the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and I'm
sure you've seen pictures. But if you only read about it,
it wouldn't make the impact on you that the pictures make. It's
the same in our spiritual lives. Not just the book of Revelation
functions this way. Symbols are throughout the scripture. They're
more concentrated in Revelation. But God's word generally functions
to cause us to give an account of ourselves, to shock us back
into the reality of whatever sins we have drifted into. Yes,
to comfort us when we're afflicted as well. But Revelation is focusing
a little bit more on this shock treatment out of sin and worldliness. I remember a few years ago, I
had an appointment with a dental hygienist. And I hadn't been
to one for many years. And she took a break at one point.
And I looked at the wall by me. And there was the different stages,
pictures of the stages of gum disease. When she came back in,
I said, where am I on that chart? She said, well, you're going
in the direction of very serious gum disease. I said, well, my
gums feel fine. What's the deal? She said, well,
usually they don't start hurting until it's just about too late.
And so likewise, that's the way it is often with sin, whether
it be theological sin or sin in our own lives, actions that
we have done is wrong. So sins like gum disease, we
may not feel the spiritual hurt until significant harm has happened.
So revelation symbols either sedate or shock us back into
the reality of our relation with God. The phrase about Israel
and unbelief, not hearing from Isaiah 610 and Matthew 1315 is
turned by John actually positively to he who has an ear, let him
hear. The transformation makes an address
to the faithful who have begun to fall under spiritual anesthesia,
but nevertheless still have ears to hear. Those within the covenant
community of the Asia Minor churches never responding to Jesus exhortation
show that they have no ears to hear God's exhortation because
they do not know the Lord. Such people will suffer the same
judgments that John depicts of the world. I remember I was just
about finished with my commentary and I got to chapter 22 and hit
me between the eyes. Oh my gosh. The judgments John's
talking about throughout the book are not only from believers
outside the church. He also has in mind those within
the church who are not faithful to him and in fact are pseudo
believers. Just shocked me. I was like,
oh my gosh, that's amazing. Lord, help us. Those who don't know the Lord,
the need to trust that Christ came as the God man, took the
penalty of sin upon himself, rose again from the dead, declaring
himself as Lord God of heaven and earth. If people are not motivated by
these symbols or by the word of God in general, then maybe
they don't know the Lord. Or maybe at least if they're
never stirred up in themselves by the
word, they shouldn't be assured that they know the Lord. That's
a condition that lasts over years. Only two of the seven churches
are without blame. Now others in the church have
their ears very attuned to God's voice in scripture, the remnant. And God gives them pictures. The last picture is a very encouraging
picture. It's a picture to comfort the
afflicted in Revelation 21. Chapters 4 to 5, the picture
of God on his throne is another one. So we do have pictures that
actually comfort the afflicted, but we have many pictures that
afflict the comfortable. Revelation promises great blessing
to those who hear and obey its message. Blessed is he who reads
and those who hear the words of the prophecy. Chapter 1 in
verse 3, and keep the things which are written in it for the
time is near. May God give us grace, so if we have ears, we'll
hear what the symbols are saying to us. Thank you for your patience. I went a little longer than I
wanted to. I do think we have some time
for questions. Yes. We do have a couple minutes for
questions. If you have a question for Dr. Beal, if you'd raise
your hand real quick. I have a microphone that way
the live streamers can also hear it, and we'll have you ask your
question. We'll just take a couple questions now. If we don't get
to them now, you can always ask them after the second or third
lecture. Can we start again at 3.30? 3.30, yes. Anybody have
a question? Yes. So the focus was on rightly discerning the mode of
communication John is using in the book of Revelation. And misunderstanding the mode, if
I'm understanding you correctly, is a sign of judgment. So I wonder
if I could hear you comment on whether or not some interpretations
of Revelation actually betray a kind of judgment on a community
that reads Revelation that way? That's a good question. I mean, first of all, we do have
to confess, Revelation is a very difficult book. Let's start that
way, even though I've expressed much conviction about my view
today. So I do think that it is a book filled with symbolism
and that's predominant. So then you have to ask the question
why. I've tried to show from the use of the old and the old
and the old in Matthew 13 and then the old in Revelation with
those hearing formulas that this is probably the way to understand
it. So, you know, certainly we have
genuine believers. who would disagree with the way
I take the book. And to the degree that all of
us don't hold to the truth, to some degree, that's going to
affect us detrimentally. I think that's the way I'd want
to put it, because we know these are genuine believers. you know,
for the most part, as far as we know. And so we know within
our own ranks, you know, not all of us hold infant baptism. We have debates about that. We
have debates about ecclesiology. And we have convictions about
those things. And I think that if You know, if I asked you why
you disagree with infant baptism, you'd give me some reasons. And
we'd probably both agree that to some degree, there's a detrimental
effect of me not holding your position or you not holding mine. So I think that's the way I would
put it. It's a very good question. But I think I'll leave it there,
and we can develop that a little more later. We have time for
one more. Does anybody have a short question
that they would like to ask? Yes. In Isaiah 59, 17, excuse me,
18, where he's been talking about the sins of Israel, the sins
of his people pre-exilic, And then in 18 it says, according
to the deeds to repay wrath to his adversaries, repayment to
his enemies. Would it be acceptable to think that those are not synonymous,
and just repeat it for emphasis, but applying directly to the
unfaithful, unrepentant people of God in the covenant community
as well as those standing outside? Well, I'd have to look at the
context, but certainly you do find that the judgment in not only
Isaiah, but in the Prophets does certainly affect the majority
of the hardy and the blind in Israel. So I'd have to look more
carefully at this kind of judgment. Certainly the same, if this is
only about those outside the covenant community, certainly
there are other places that are very clear that you have judgment
inside the covenant community. One more question. Sure, I guess
we could do one more. Yes. Yeah, who is John? Who is John? He's a prophet. I think it's the Apostle John.
A viable case can be made that he was a prophet different from
John who lived in Asia Minor. There are certain traditions
that argue that. But on the basis of certain,
I think, unique themes that he has, for example, Jesus as a
lamb and as a suffering lamb. and some of the Greek style. My colleague at Westminster,
Vern Poythress, has written about the way John uses conjunctions,
inter-sentence conjunctions, and how that fits better with
the style of the Gospel of John. But then we could go back and
say, who's the author of the Gospel of John? As well, there's some
debate about that. To me, I mean, at the end of
the day, I wouldn't go to the stake that it's the Apostle John.
What I will go to the stake on is that this person is named
John and he's a prophet. So I think, you know, I'm at
like 68.9 conviction that it's the Apostle. I mean, there's certain things
that I'm hoping that will not be detrimental to me spiritually
in that regard as well, at any rate. All right. Well, thank you again, Dr. Veal.
We will take about a 15-minute break. So if we could all be
sort of coming back in at about 3.30, and we'll start shortly
after that.
The Key to Interpreting Symbolism in Revelation (1)
Series Interpreting Revelation
| Sermon ID | 630151221504 |
| Duration | 1:16:15 |
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| Category | Conference |
| Language | English |
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