Pastor Jason Cooley here with OPBC Online, a ministry of Old Paths Baptist Church in Northfield, Minnesota. And I am here with Brother Jim again. How you doing, Brother Jim? Good brother. How you doing? I am doing great. And we are going to take a break from our AI series for a little while here. We're going to pick back up on that AI series though. We've got some other ideas and some other things that we want to bring to you about that. But right now we see a pressing matter that really needs to be dealt with that almost like we're being harassed with like nonstop. And you know, We're going to deal with this issue of the flat Earth. And Brother Jim, how many times do you hear about this a day, probably? Mmm more than once. Yes, every day. I mean every yeah every day We hear about the flat earth every day. We hear about something about flat earth something about flat earth and and what do you believe in Florida and I've had people send me videos and videos and video and memes and Fancy memes and fancier memes and other memes and me me me me memes. I mean so many on that that it's like, okay, and then people ask me, what do you believe about the flat earth and I put out a video a few days ago just dealing with some of the comments that have been made to me about the flat earth and You know, I had some people get upset about it And they got upset because I just used some of their comments and repeated them, and they didn't like that. So what they were asking for was a scriptural answer to the Flat Earth. And my answer, our answer at Old Pastor Baptist Church, is this concerning the Flat Earth. Geocentricity is the biblical answer to the Flat Earth fable. And that's exactly the position that we hold here. We are going to explain to you today the geocentric model that we believe, and then we're going to explain to you why we do not hold to a flat earth, and explain all of the terms that flat earthers, or most of the terms that flat earthers use, but we are going to use the Bible to define the Bible. We're going to use the word of God, right, Brother Jim? Yes, sir. And that's what we're going to come up with to show you exactly what our position is. Listen, this flattered thing, it's gotten out of hand. People have exalted this doctrine. And I'm going to tell you, I believe it's an attack two different ways. I believe the sacred namers are using it as an attack on the authority of the name of Jesus, which we've already seen the sacred namers do, OK? Right. They do that. They don't like the name of Jesus and they war against the name of Jesus. And anytime you have somebody that wars against the name of Jesus, there's a problem there. There's a reason. That's right. The devil wars against the name of Jesus. Yep. Yeah, and we're also going to show you that the Flat Earth Jesus. Right. Right. The Flat Earth model Preaches another Christ now. I'm not saying you're lost if you believe it because you might be confused about right? You don't know who Jesus is Okay, we're not saying that what we're saying is the picture it distorts the picture and it preaches a different Christ Yep. All right, so I'm gonna be clear about that. We're not saying everybody that believes the flat earth is lost and they worship devils We're not saying that okay. No, the picture is being distorted of who Christ is and That's the message that we're giving. And I'm going to try to keep my sarcasm and everything else down and be extremely straightforward and extremely scriptural with every single Bible verse that I can possibly use to explain to you our position on this issue. So you can't attempt to use my disposition or my personality as an excuse for you not to listen to this teaching or not to accept the truth of the Bible because you want to try to just point a finger. I'm not going to do that. I'm going to be very careful with that. The best I can is you have to pray for me, all right? Because that side of me, that sarcastic side, likes to come out when I hear something that's totally ridiculous. But anyway, so, but what we want to do is show you that the second attack is that attack, the flat earth, it attacks the King James Bible. I believe it does. Amen. Absolutely. It attacks, these guys are always saying, well, they go to the Hebrew or they got to go to the Greek or they got to go to another language. Go to the Strong's Concordance. Yep. Yeah. Well, they say they're King James. Well, the Strong's Concordance, Yep. Or they're using the, um, uh, that name, the restored King James restored name, King James version. Ah, by the way, if you're using a restored King James name, King James, you're not using the King James Bible. Amen. And you're wrong. You better get right with God. The new Testament was not originally written in ancient Hebrew. That's right. So, you know, Right, exactly. So anyway, so we're going to help you. So the first half of this show, what we're going to deal with, we are going to deal with a biblical doctrine and teaching of geocentricity. Amen. We're going to show you that the earth does not move and the sun moves. We're going to show you that's a picture of the gospel that has to do with Christology and many other doctrines that are taught in the Word of God. and it shows the preeminence of Christ through the whole thing and that it really biblical geocentricity really destroys the flat earth movement. Yes. Amen. And I believe Here's what I believe has happened. I believe people have seen that, well, the Bible doesn't preach or teach heliocentricity. And all these scientists, everybody believe heliocentricity, but that's not true, because the Earth doesn't move, because the Bible says it doesn't move. So what they do is they look to that and they say, well, they discredit everybody that doesn't believe in a flat Earth. Because they say, well, hey, the flat Earth's moving as an answer for that. So that's the word. Exactly. Flat Earth. And that's why there's a lot of good people that have been sucked into this and have followed along with it because they hear this partial answer and they see it from scripture and they realize that the world and the world systems and what the world views as science and what the world views as truth is all false. And so we get this partial truth Well, it's exactly like every time you try to have a Flat Earth discussion, there's two initial responses every single time. It's either, oh, so you believe NASA? That's one. Or you believe you're on a spinning ball that's going 1,000 miles per hour? You really believe that? Exactly. No, I don't really believe that. Amen. We don't believe that, and we want to show you the truth, and we're not mad at you. Listen, let me say this. Yes, I did that video, and yes, I brought out in a sarcastic way the same way the Apostle Paul used sarcasm all through his books of the Bible that he wrote to be sarcastic towards foolishness, the same way Elijah, when he was on the Mount, used sarcasm against those that were teaching falsehoods and exalting something. When I come out like that, it is not against everybody. By the way, and I've had Flat Earthers tell me they know this already, a lot of them. But it's not, I'm not coming out against and insulting everybody that believes in the Flat Earth. No. No, of course not. What I'm doing, it's the people that exalt that doctrine above the Bible, above Christ, above everything else that's important. And they get ridiculous, like comments that were made that you know, because I believe in flat earth, I'm invincible to devils. Yeah. Those kinds of things. Okay. But I'm not mad at you. I don't hate you for your flat earth. I don't wish any ill towards you. I'm not angry with you. Um, I do have a personality and I know that's hard to believe in this world that a man actually has a personality. I don't know why that's so hard for people. It's like they want you to speak monotone calmly with your legs crossed and your, and your, wrist limp in order for you to be this passive person that they can accept something from. That's not even reality, because these same people go to ball games and scream their heads off. So my point is that, yeah, I mean, we're going to be bold in our stand, and we're not going to back off. And because people try to back us in a corner, we're not going to go cry. Amen. You know, I haven't been fluorided to death yet. Anyway, but the point is that we're going to be very clear scripturally here. We want to bring the truth to you. We want to help you with it. We want to show you the biblical answer to the flat Earth. We want to bring this show out, too, because there's people out there that they're like, what's the answer to this flat Earth stuff? Because we don't understand it. We know that the Earth isn't flat. We understand that. We just don't get scripturally the truth about all of it. So we're going to get into that. And the first thing we're going to start out in is, what is geocentricity? because the truth is that geocentricity is the answer. Geocentricity is the answer to that flat earth. So that's what we're going to go through right now. And then we're going to get into a lot of scripture. We're going to show you scripture all through the Bible that prove geocentricity and which consequently disprove the flat earth theory. And then in the second hour, we're going to show you where the Flat Earth theory kind of comes from. We're not going to do a comprehensive history, and we're going to show you in biblical terms the terms that are used that Flat Earthers try to use to defend their Flat Earth theory and prove that its theory is not based on the scriptures. and we will give you the scriptural references for that and explain that to you. This is going to be a biblical answer, okay? So we're going to read you some background here of what geocentricity is, because you may not know, and we're going to give you that, and then we're going to get in to the differences and teach you through the Bible a wonderful doctrine that I believe will help you understand and help your children understand that you can actually teach your children on this as well and recommend some resources for you to find and you can teach your children the truth of geocentricity which exalts Christ Jesus our Lord and Savior. Amen. Amen. Alright, so what is geocentricity? Geocentricity means Earth-centered. The alternative is heliocentricity, which means Sun-centered. Until about 500 years ago, people believed that the Earth was the center of the whole universe. They got this idea from two sources. Number one, as they observed the sun crossing the heavens each day and the moon and stars moving across the heavens at night, they came to the conclusion that the earth was standing still while the sun, moon, and stars moved around it. And number two, scripture indicates in various places that the earth stands still while the sun, moon, and stars move around it. So Jim, what happened? OK, so why did this view change? What happened? I want you to read that. OK, up till about the early 1500s, the scientific view of the universe was based on the ideas of the Greek astronomer Ptolemy. He believed that the sun, moon, and stars circled the Earth, which itself moved backwards and forwards along a line. As the telescope was better developed, it became obvious from the observations that this was not what was happening. Two astronomers made their own observations and came up to their own explanations of how the heavens worked, Tycho Brahe and Nicolaus Copernicus. Tico Brahe made very careful observations over a long period of many years. He believed that his observations confirmed they were at the center of the universe, i.e., that it stood still at the center of everything. The sun and the moon moved around the Earth. However, the planets other than the Earth moved around the Sun, not the Earth, and were carried around the Earth as the Sun moved around the Earth. Tycho Brahe died before he could publish his results, and his ideas are not well known today. Now, Nicolaus Copernicus did not make as many or as good of observations as Brahe. However, he was interested in the Greek philosophers, and he agreed with the ancient Greek philosopher Plato. The sun is the most magnificent of all gods. Of course, Plato did not believe in the god of the scriptures. He believed that there were a whole lot of gods, and he believed that the most important of these was the sun. As Copernicus thought about it, he decided that the sun should be the center rather than the earth. In his system, which was much simpler than Tycho's, he had the sun at the center and all the planets going around it. This is the view that eventually became popular and is still taught today. Lately, there are some astronomers that have wondered if Copernicus was right. In spite of the fact that many experiments have been done to prove that the Earth moves, many of them have shown that it does not move. Those that seem to show that it moves are only showing that either the Earth is moving or the universe is turning around the Earth. Tico, you remember, said that the universe turns around the Earth while Copernicus said that the Earth was moving and while the sun and stars stood still. Well, who was right? Well, the answer ought to be what the Scriptures say, and we're going to get to that, but we're going to hold off on that just a second. So, you know, you bear with us here, but we're going to get to the Scriptures here. We want to further explain some more. So let's scroll down here into this next teaching here. grade six here, and we talk about for which what we're reading to you is basically a primer for teaching on geocentricity to get started. And then we're going to just give you a ton of scripture with it. But we want to give you a little bit of a background so you understand that there was this battle that took place. Okay, this battle that took place was a battle for the truth. And error in the minds of the world, that error in the world prevailed. And in the churches, that heliocentric model prevailed. People gave up on the truth of the scriptures because they were foolish. Okay? Yeah. For many years, people believed that the earth was stationary at the center of the universe and the sun and everything else went around it. There were various reasons for this view. Obviously, we can see that, you know, secondly, the observations that astronomers made seem to confirm this. Thirdly, and most importantly, like we said before, scripture confirms it. And we're going to get to that. But when Copernicus came on the scene, he proposed a different way to look at things. Instead of the sun and everything else moving around the earth, he said the earth moved around the sun. There was another astronomer at that time, and we talked about him. So these men, and then another man came into play, Galileo. Galileo invented an improved telescope, which enabled him to see the heavenly bodies more clearly. When he observed the moons of Jupiter, he thought he had proved that the Earth goes around the sun in the same way that the moons of Jupiter go around Jupiter. Of course, this did not prove anything, except that the moons of Jupiter do indeed go around Jupiter. But Galileo decided to teach heliocentric view as fact anyway. And since the time of Galileo, many experts have been done, many experiments have been done to try to prove that the Earth moves, but still, they don't show it. They show one or two things. That the Earth does not move at all, it's stationary. Or number two, either that the Earth rotates while the universe stands still, or the universe rotates around the Earth while the Earth stands still. All the observations that can be taken, equally well explained by either the heliocentric or geocentric view. So there's some facts that are determined by that. Number one, whether the Earth is stationary or not, it will always seem to someone on Earth that the sun and stars are moving while the Earth stands still. Number two, no experiment has yet been done that proves that the Earth is moving. In fact, many experiments have merely confirmed that it does not move. And number three, scripture has numerous references to the earth standing still and the sun moving. Two of the most spectacular of these are Joshua's long day in Joshua chapter 10 and Hezekiah's miraculous sign in second Kings chapter 20. In both of these, the scriptures clearly indicate that the earth is standing still while the sun moves. In Joshua chapter 10, the sun is stopped while in second Kings chapter 20 is actually moved back. As we study, as we look at this, as we study the earth, we find that it makes quite a bit of a big difference what framework of reference we accept. The conclusions drawn by heliocentrists are going to be different from those held by geocentrists. So let's look at these two conclusions. Brother Jim, you take the heliocentrism and I'll take the geocentricity. Okay. Heliocentrism says there are two movements of the Earth, rotation and revolution. Geocentricity says the Earth is stationary at the center of the universe. It does not rotate or revolve. Heliocentrism says, rotation. The Earth rotates on its own axis from west to east. It takes 24 hours for the Earth to rotate once. The rotation of the Earth causes day and night. Geocentricity teaches the sun travels around the earth once in 24 hours. This causes day and night. And scripture supports this view in Joshua chapter 10, where the sun stood still, and 2 Kings chapter 20, verse 8 through 11, where the sun went back 10 degrees. Heliocentrism states, revolution, the earth revolves around the sun once in 365 days. This, in conjunction with the tilt of the earth's axis, causes the seasons. Geocentricity teaches the sun travels around the earth in a spiral-type orbit so that it is closer to the northern hemisphere in June and closer to the southern hemisphere in December. And this causes the seasons. Amen. Which we're going to get into the seasons, actually. Yeah, that's a good quote there, too. I want to read this quote to you and we'll get into the seasons here, but I want to read this quote. Perhaps, however, the greatest problem is where the whole controversy began. Philosophy. Burgess writing in Earth chauvinism says this. The story of creation tells about a plan of salvation centered upon a particular people and a particular man. As long as someone is thinking in terms of a geocentric universe, the story has a certain plausibility. As soon as an astronomer changes theories, however, the whole Christian history loses the only setting within which it would make sense. With the solar system no longer the center of anything, imagining that what happens here forms the center of a universal drama becomes simply silly. Burgess is an atheist. He does not believe the scriptures, but does he really have specific proof for his ideas as he apparently thinks he has? Professor J.F. Henry pointed out in Geocentrism and Heliocentrism, the possibility that we have a special place in the universe is depressing to the humanists and is to be absolutely avoided. Why? Only because it shows that there must be a God and that we are responsible to him for the way we live. Jim, think about that for a second, right? You think about that, that here's a guy that is telling you the truth, a philosopher that is telling you, hey, if geocentrism isn't true, then the whole gospel is ridiculous. The whole fact that Jesus came and died on the cross for sinners is ridiculous, because the whole center of the world, the whole center of the universe is the earth, and if Christ is all centered around one man, the man Christ Jesus, then guess what? Nothing matters. None of this stuff makes any sense, and none of this stuff matters. Right, and everything becomes figurative. At best, it's a preterist position when, well, you know, from our perspective, this is what was going on, or from the writer's perspective, and they disregard the fact that the Bible was written by God, and He used men, so it's all from God's perspective, and we'll talk about that later in some scriptures. But yes, and Bertrand Russell also used that to mock Christians because Christians moved away from the biblical position of geocentricity. Yeah, and we're definitely going to talk about him too later on when we talk about the importance of geocentricity after we get done covering this. We're going to cut because that's a very important comment that he makes. And it proves to you that, you know what, I'm going to say this. I understand the tenacity of some of the flat earthers in the sense that they know there's something wrong with heliocentricity. And modern day science and modern day creationists have taught heliocentricity and it drives them nuts because they know there's something more and it's not right. So some of you heliocentrists have thrown a bone to those flat earthers because you have denied the authority of scripture by saying that the by by taking on the heliocentric model you have actually given them some fuel for their fire by not accepting the plain truth of geocentricity because of fear for what man will think yeah that's right you know so you know you got to give credit where credit's due that part is true you know um You know, we could go on about those other two guys, but really, you know, I'm not going to get, I really want to get into the seasons more and talk about that. The seasons are first mentioned in Genesis chapter one, verse number 14, with the creation of the sun, moon, and stars. And God said, let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night and let them be for signs and for seasons and for days and years. It seems, however, that there were no seasons as we know them until after the flood, as there is evidence that before that time the earth had a uniformly warm climate. After the flood, God says, Well, Jim, why don't you read what causes the seasons there? What causes the seasons? According to heliocentrists, they are caused by the Earth's revolution around the Sun in conjunction with the tilt of the Earth's axis. The angle of inclination is 66.5 degrees to the plane of the Earth's orbit. Because the Earth is a sphere, only one half can receive the sun's heat and light at a time. As the Earth travels around the sun, the sun's rays fall vertically over one part of the Earth at one time of the year and over another part at another time. The result is an uneven distribution of heat over the surface of the Earth, causing our spring, summer, autumn, winter cycle. According to the geocentrists, the Earth does not move at all. It is a sphere, and so only one half can receive heat and light at a time. And it is tilted at 66.5 degrees from the vertical. However, the sun, besides traveling once around the Earth every 24 hours, also travels between the Tropic of Cancer and the Tropic of Capricorn and back every 365 days. The sun's rays, therefore, fall vertically over one part of the Earth at one time of the year and over another part at another time. The result is an uneven distribution of heat over the surface of the earth, causing our spring, summer, autumn, winter cycle. As you can see, both views seek to explain exactly the same effects. They just explain the same facts in different ways. So what difference does it really make? In astronomy, it makes a big difference. Because if we are going around the sun, we have an orbit with a diameter of about 300 million kilometers. This orbit can be used to calculate the distances to the nearest stars, which then turn out to be about four and a half light years away. On the basis of this, using various assumptions, we can extrapolate that the size of the universe is about 20,000 million light-years across. If, however, the Earth stands still, we do not have that baseline of 300 million kilometers. Using other methods and some reasonable assumptions, we can calculate that the furthest objects in the universe may only be 60 light-days away. This means that the diameter of the universe would only be about 120 light days, about a third of one light year. If this should be so, it would completely revolutionize all current theories about the universe and space exploration. And this is where the flat earthers come in, because they're like, something's not right with these figures. It's kind of a joke. Well, that's because they're basing everything on heliocentrism. If you base it on geocentrism, everything makes sense. I was going to say it's good to point out that current world science, secular astronomy, is no longer heliocentric because now the sun is just one of billions or trillions of suns, which each have their own solar system. So the current present model is not, it's what they refer to as acentric. It's not even the current science, you know, secular model is an acentric model or a pancentric model that has really has no center. So, you know, they continue to evolve their position, so to speak. Yep. Right. Okay. So, I mean, that's now we want to get into really, as we've kind of laid the foundation of, you know, geocentricity in that way, we're going to kind of talk about the importance of geocentricity and why it is, why it matters. Okay. And after that, then we're going to get into a ton of scripture. Okay, so Dr. Bowe wrote a good book, Dr. Bowe, Dr. Bowe, I don't want to say his name properly, but hopefully I'm not mutilating. It's called Christianity in the Woodshed, and it deals with geocentricity and the truth of it, and it's really a primer on the entire subject. You know, so he wrote a chapter called The Importance of Geocentricity. And it is important in science, and it's important in the Word of God, it's important for Christians to accept geocentricity for a lot of reasons. But accepting geocentricity does not mean that we accept a flat Earth. Because we don't. Because we don't believe the Bible teaches a flat Earth. If I believed the Bible taught a flat Earth, then I would hold the flat Earth and I wouldn't care what anybody thought. And I can tell you that honestly for a lot of reasons. Number one, I'm going to obey God rather than man. And by God's grace, I've proven that in this ministry over and over again. We are not a 501c3. We are not incorporated. We do not have a tax identification number. We are not part of any World Council of Churches. We are not an organization. We are not a legal entity. We did not accept any of those things. We preach against things like Hollywood. We preach against things like movies. We preach against things, all of those things. We have taken our stands against the wickedness of this world and for geocentricity and for the truth of Scripture, no matter what man thinks of it. We have stood against the holidays. We do not hold to the holidays. We do not hold to Christmas and Easter and all those other holidays. We do not practice them. We abstain from those holidays. I say that because, not to brag, I'm saying that because there are flat earthers out there that will say, well, you just, you know, you don't want to be labeled. You don't want to, no, that's not true. I have been labeled my whole ministry because I have not, I have stood outside of the box and not accepted what this world has taught and not accepted what Christians have taught. Also, I'm a Baptist, and I hold the Baptist doctrine, and I believe in the authority of the Scriptures, and we hold to the King James Bible, and we do not believe that we need to correct the King James Bible. And I hold to a local church only position, which is also a position that has gotten me in trouble with many people. And so those are all positions that are not popular. Okay. It's not popular. None of those positions are popular. So this notion that I'm afraid to suffer reproach for the flat earth. Listen, we also preach the gospel out on the streets. You know, we've preached outside of gay pride events. We've preached to Black Lives Matters. We've preached to a bunch of different people outside of those places and outside of the most dangerous places that you can possibly preach. And we have lifted up the name of Christ outside of the camp to bear the reproach of Christ outside of the camp many times over. And listen, nobody ever tried to assault me, spit on me, punch me in the face, or attack me physically for the shape of the earth. They did, however, when I lifted up the name of Christ and preached against their sin in the open air, out on the street corner, we did suffer reproach for Christ's sake. We were attacked physically out there. We have been spit upon. We have been pushed around. We have been threatened. We have been threatened arrest and all those things. So the notion that we are afraid to suffer for Christ's sake and we are afraid to hold a flat-earth position because we're afraid of what people think of us is absolutely astronomically the dumbest thing that could be applied to us that I've, one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. Okay. Because we have suffered reproach and I'm not exalting us. Okay. What I'm saying is, is that That's not even remotely true. We would gladly suffer that if we believe that to be true. But we don't believe it to be true. We don't believe that it makes any sense at all from that standpoint to hold to that. We don't believe the Bible teaches that. Well, and the same, another point that's good is, you know, on the Church's website it explains that we are geocentric. And that is not a popular position among Christians today. It's not a popular position. And when I first found the church, and I kept listening to different sermons, I was always, when I saw the geocentrism stuff, I was like, oh boy, yeah, they're those kind of people. You know what I mean? And I was kind of like, mocked it until I looked at it for myself and studied it for myself. And, you know, and, and the church has held that position and openly holds that position and it's stated right on our website. Right. So we're not, so the reason why we're saying that is there's this misnomer out there that, Oh, you're just afraid of what people think. And you're afraid. No, honestly, further saying, because you know what? There's a lot of other things we could talk about. Like, I don't believe women ought to wear britches, okay? I don't believe women ought to dress like men. I believe women ought to have long hair. I believe women ought to be keepers. And another one, keepers at home. That's another one we preach, that women ought to be keepers at home. Why don't you go through and see how many of these Flat Earth Ministries preach keepers at home? How many of them preach that? How many pastors stand up and churches stand up and preach on keepers at home that the word of God be not blasphemed? You know how much reproach and how much persecution that has caused? Not the shape of the earth, Okay, but the fact that women ought to stay home and husbands ought to take care of their wives and they shouldn't go to work and they should take care of their children and take care of their children. You know how many churches, independent Baptist churches preach that or even reform churches that preach that? Not very many that'll stand on those. I know one. Yeah, not very many that'll stand on those. Okay, so I would rather see churches stand on those things So when you say we're afraid to suffer reproach, no, I would look you in your eye and tell you, your wife needs to be home with your children and you need to provide for your family. And if you don't, you're worse than an infidel. That's right. Now that's not popular. Okay. So for anyone to think that I'm afraid at what somebody will think of me if I'm flat earth. Sorry, that's not accurate. I'm just, again, all the glory goes to Christ. He's the one that does the work in us. But if I believe the earth was flat, and if I had that deep down in my soul, I wouldn't care what one man on this earth thought about it. Amen. I would follow Christ. Okay, so that's a ridiculous argument in and of itself. Most of these people are very immature and they don't understand scriptural stands and most of the Bible. But anyway, regardless, so let's move on to the importance of geocentricity. Dr. Beaux says this, in 1542, Copernicus, a Polish canon of the Roman Catholic Church, insisted that only the sun and not the earth was worthy to be at the center of the universe, despite the clear teaching of scripture, to the contrary. Copernicus' advocacy of heliocentrism, as his model is called, was based entirely on Greek philosophy. Despite the insistent efforts and enthusiastic Copernican supporters such as Johannes Kepler and Galileo, It took a hundred years for heliocentrism to become the dominant worldview. And it did so with all scientific evidence favoring the best geocentric model and no evidence favoring Copernicus's model. Throughout the entire 17th century, the evidence overwhelmingly favored the geocentric model and denied the Copernican model. The modern claim that heliocentric model overpowered the geocentric universe model with irrefutable evidence and proof is a myth. the first of many associated with heliocentrism. It was called the Copernican Revolution. And it was a shift from the geocentric to the heliocentric universe. It was not just a revolution in the field of astronomy, nor was it a revolution of good science overpowering bad science and superstition. The real revolution was against the Bible. It was against the authority of Scripture. And we preach geocentricity because we preach it upon the authority of Scripture. I don't care about maps and models and everything else. I care what God's Word says. What I can clearly define in the Bible, that's what I care about. I don't care if a thousand scientists told me I was nuts in the head and they had proof of heliocentrism. I would say, well, then why does God's Word say it's geocentric? Amen. Okay, if the earth rotates on its axis, then the author of scripture, even the Holy Ghost, which verbally inspired a falsehood in Joshua chapter 10, verse number 13, when he wrote that the sun stood still. Why would God confuse us and tell us that the sun stood still? If it didn't. If it didn't move, why would he confuse us? Likewise, the Holy Ghost, when giving by inspiration the words, he maketh his son to rise in Matthew 545, passed off another falsehood as the truth. The reverberations of the Copernican Revolution still ring today, particularly in the realms of politics and theology. For without said revolution, there would be no higher criticism which assumes God is incapable of writing what he means to say or meaning what he wrote. Without the Copernican Revolution, there would be no Marxism in which the state replaces God, nor could there be any evolutionism with its bigotry and racism and faith that man will eventually evolve to ultimately overpower God. After all, if God cannot be taken literally when he writes of the rising of the sun, then how can he be taken literally in writing of the rising of the sun in Malachi chapter 4? According to science, both are equally impossible. Prior to heliocentrism, there was geocentrism, the ancient belief that the earth is located at rest in the center of the universe. Until well into the 16th century, most people believed that the earth was immobile at the center of the universe. that was taken for granted to be both scriptural and natural. To question the immobility of the earth was to invite the charge of heresy. The earth was, after all, central in God's attention, central to His affection, and central to His purpose of creation. It was to the earth that Jesus Christ came. It was on the earth that He died on the cross for the sins of man. And it was in the earth that He was resurrected, that man may have eternal life. It is on earth where happen those things which the angels desire to look into. How logical then the idea that the earth is nestled unmovingly at the center of all creation. Go ahead and read about the rise of heliocentrism, Brother Jim. But the rise of heliocentrism in the 16th century changed all that. Gradually, the heliocentric belief became the dominant faith so that today, except for considerations under the Aegis of Relativity, or Mach's Principle, two secular theories allowing the possibility of geocentricity because all appearances demand it. One is considered scientifically illiterate if one seriously questions heliocentrism. at all. The truth is that modern science no longer believes the Copernican idea that the Sun is the center of the universe. Today's consensus has it that there is no center to the universe or rather that every place in the universe, whether the center of a supercluster of galaxies or a dizzily spinning proton looks as if it is neither moving nor rotating at the center of the universe. The modern view is more properly termed either as acentric, without center, or more correctly, pancentric. with its center everywhere instead of heliocentric. Likewise, the modern view corresponding to geocentrism, which placed the Earth at the geometric center of the universe, now places the Earth at the dynamic center, also called the center of mass, the center of gravity, the balancing point, the pivot point, and the barycenter of the universe. As a result, the modern form of geocentrism is properly called geocentricity, not geocentrism or not geocentricism. Geocentricity is the theory that Earth neither rotates on its axis daily nor orbits the sun annually, but is the center on which the rest of the universe turns. Geocentricity is the assurance that the Bible can be taken literally not only when... You can stop right there, that's okay. Okay. Yeah, we got enough of that. But it can be taken literally no matter when it's, when the Bible states something emphatically over and over and over again, it can be taken literally. Amen. It's not figurative. It's not, it's not figurative. Okay? Geocentrism presented the Bible's authority when the Ten Commandments, that their authority rests upon the authority of the Bible, which can only be maintained intact if the Bible is accepted as a whole. When the Bible seems to say that the earth does not move, we must adhere to that statement in spite of the arguments of Galileo. Since otherwise, we shall be giving encouragement to murderers and other kinds of malfactors. Although few would now accept this argument, it cannot be regarded as absurd, nor should those who acted upon it be viewed with moral reprobation. You know, Bert, what is his name is Russell? Bertrand Russell. Bertrand Russell. He said basically that, you know what, you have to accept the Bible's view of geocentricity, otherwise, If you don't, then it destroys the whole Bible. Because if you destroy part of the Bible, then you destroy all the Bible. He knew that. Bertrand Russell knew that. And he attacked Bible believers because they would not accept geocentricity because he said the Bible teaches geocentricity. And that sex-perverted philosopher knew that he could destroy the position or the Bible's authority in the minds of people if people have done away with geocentricity, then the Bible's not true. It's just not true. And that's what he taught. It's just like every preterist position, that all these things are just figurative, or they're just from a point of perspective, and they explain away gigantic portions of the Bible, just as figurative. And here's the question, and if God does write things that are not true in those passages, which refer to the immobility of the earth, then how could man trust anything else God writes? How could we possibly know what God meant to say or what is true if he does not say what he means in the first place? Or is the heliocentric idea merely another version of Satan's ploy to deceive Eve as recorded in Genesis 3-1, where the devil casts doubt upon the veracity of God's Word? Yea, hath God said? That's what heliocentrism says. Yea, hath God said? Good question, isn't it? And finally, is the evidence for heliocentrism really as overwhelming as the elementary textbook make it seem? Science historian Thomas Kuhn includes the geocentric model in these matters when he writes this, in the case of textbooks, at least there are even good reasons why in these matters they should be systematically misleading. So what's the conclusion of the importance of geocentricity, especially when it relates to flat Earth? Here it is. So why is geocentricity an important topic? Number one, if it is taught in Scripture, it must be important since there are no insignificant or disposable doctrines in Scripture. If there were, in the very act of writing about them, God would waste not only our time, but also His own. Number two, it was on the issue of geocentricity that science challenged scripture. And by backing down in the absence of any evidence, let alone proof against the Holy Bible, believers crippled both the authority of scripture as well as their own authority as keepers of the words of God in not only the eyes of the world, but even their own eyes. Geocentricity is still the only conflict between science and scripture. Evolution is not science. That evolution is superstition and not scientific is confirmed by evolutionists. Frenetic cries to ban all contrary evidence from the classroom of the world. Quote read number three and four, Brother Jim. Okay, because geocentricity cannot ignore the existence of the universe in its theories, it presents an integrated and far more comprehensive view of the universe. Number four, even though the lack of geocentrists among astronomers cause the evidence for the heliocentric view to predominate for about 150 years, later measurements and observations forced a return to the geocentric viewpoint. Unwilling to do that, secular science instead adopted the theory of relativity to keep the Earth moving despite itself. For a true Bible believer, the first point should be enough. Nevertheless, we shall examine the issue in detail, starting with the assertion that geocentrists are throwbacks to believers in a flat Earth. Exactly. See, we're going to rebuke that position and show you that geocentrism is the biblical position and flat earth is an overreach over the truth. So they go from heliocentrism all the way past geocentrism, which is the center position, Right? You like how I did that? The center position, right? All the way past that into flat earth. It's not necessary. And it's not biblical. And we're going to prove that. But what we do need to state is the case for geocentricity from the scriptures. We had to kind of explain to you what it was a little bit, give you an introduction of it a little bit. Now we're going to illustrate it through the Bible. And let me tell you, I can get you all a PDF file and I'll probably have it added to this teaching on Sermon Audio, the PDF file of 500 Bible verses. proving geocentricity or illustrating geocentricity. Probably do that for you when that teaching goes online just so you have that and you can download it and you can read those verses and study them yourself. So we'll put a study guide together for you on that so you can have that, okay? But we're going to get into the scriptures now and we're going to get into what those Bible verses state from the Word of God about geocentricity. Okay? So, let's get started here. I mean, we can start right in the beginning, I suppose. Genesis 1-2? Yes, right in the beginning. And there's no gap. Yes, there's no gap. That's right. Right? That's right. So, go ahead, Brother Jim, you just get started with it. Genesis 1-2, and the earth was without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep, and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. The following establishes the geocentric import of this verse. It stems from a letter that appeared in the Biblical Astronomer, number 62, pages 17 and 18, in 1992. Which started out with, I have always wondered why Genesis 1-2 in the midst of creating it says, and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. The conclusion is that God's Spirit comes to us either in par as in the Old Testament or in full as in the New Testament. The Holy Ghost speaks only of Christ. who came to us in the flesh. The letter concluded with, as it is Jesus Christ who does the moving, and the earth remains stationary, so the sun goes around the earth. The earth neither moves nor spins. In Malachi 3.6 it says, For I am the Lord God, I change not. It implies that we do the changing. So God is saying that He does the moving and the earth remains stationary. It doesn't make sense that the earth would be still for three days and then begin to move. This line of reasoning makes evident a good point. Since it was the Spirit which moved on the face of the waters, then there is no rotation evident on the water's part, and by implication, no rotation on the part of the earth either." Amen! So, the Bible illustrates right in the beginning, right in the first chapter, geocentricity. And I'm going to read some more verses here to you. Genesis 1-16, we're not going to read them all because we don't have time. We're going to try to read a few out of every book, maybe. We're going to try to move it along, but there's a lot. Some of them we're going to read more. But we're going to show you that the sun moves, the sun rises and sets, but the earth does not. The Bible never says that the earth moves like that. Like the Sun does it says the Sun moves. Okay, and that's a picture of the gospel of Jesus Christ Amen, the sinless Son of God the Son of righteousness with healing in his wings. Amen all right, so Genesis chapter 1 verse number 16 And God's and God made two great lights the greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the night He made the stars also Okay, and the geocentric teaching in that is continued in verse number 18, and to rule over the day and over the night and to divide the light from the darkness, and God saw that it was good. If the earth revolves around the sun, then the night, which is the cone of darkness, which is the shadow of the earth, would also orbit the sun, and so the sun would also rule the night. Does it make sense? Only in a geocentric position does it make sense. That's right. Genesis 711, in the 600th year of Noah's life, in the second month, the 17th day of the month, the same day where all the fountains of the great deep broken up and the windows of heaven were opened. The reference to the windows of heaven relate to an open firmament. Check that out. Think about that. How about verse number 20? Genesis 7, 20. 15 cubits upward did the waters prevail, and the mountains were covered. That's geocentric. This is global. So according to this, the earth is at the origin of a cosmic reference frame, one chosen by God. Also in scripture, up is north, down is south. Picking Jerusalem is special. Amen. Yeah, so I want to point that out. Not only is the earth special in the sense of its relation to God and its being the center of creation, but Jerusalem as a point on the earth is special. And what we're going to see is that Jerusalem is directly under God's throne. And that is why it is God's place. Amen. Right. Jerusalem belongs to the Lord. Amen. Genesis chapter 19 verse number 15 and when the morning arose and the angels hastened lot saying arise take thy wife and thy two daughters which are here Lest thou be consumed in the iniquity of the city the morning did the rising the earth did not turn out towards it See that man Christ does the rising and will draw if you lift him up. What does he do? Draw all men unto himself, right? We don't move towards him. He's lifted up and Amen. And he draws by his lifting up because the sun moves. Amen. And the sun rises. And the sun does not rise in a flat earth model. Exactly. And the sun rises from the dead, raised from the dead. Yep. Picture the gospel. You see that? That's right. Don't distort the gospel's picture. Amen. It's there. Man, there's so many other ones. The sun was risen upon the earth when Lot entered into Zoar. Here the word earth is used to refer to a country, to land, not to the globe. This has ramifications against the flat earth. Yep. See that? Yeah, we'll touch on that later. We'll hit that later. Yes, we will. Yes, we will. And I mean, there's so many more that you could do in Genesis, but we gotta move on to Exodus. Listen, we'll have the PDF file, we'll get you 500 verses, and you can check them all out yourself, okay? Brother Jim, why don't you read Exodus, read one of them in Exodus there. Sure, we got a couple, I think three, so let's see what we got here. Exodus 17, 12, but Moses' hands were heavy, and they took a stone and put and put it under him, and he sat there on. And Aaron and her stayed up his hands, the one on the one side and the other on the other side, and his hands were steady until the going down of the sun. Amen. So what do we have there? The rising of the sun, the going down of the sun, the movement of the sun. The sun rises. Picture the son of righteousness with healing in his way. Amen. That's right. Amen. If the sun be risen upon him, there shall be blood shed for him, for he should make full restitution. That's also there. If the sun be risen. Why? Because the sun do move. That's why. The sun do move. That's right. Brother Jim, how about Leviticus 22, 7? Alright, and when the sun is down, he shall be clean, and shall afterward eat of the holy things, because it is his food. Geocentric, sun is down. On the cross, Jesus was unclean unto his death, having taken our sins upon him. Today we are baptized into his death, Romans 6, 3. And so cleanse the evening of his burial, note the time of day, in Matthew 27, 57. Yep, and see also Acts 10, 11. Amen. So there's a lot. You could study that on your own. We're just going to give you an example. The sun rising and the earth not moving. The earth does not move. The sun moves. OK? Amen. And we're going to show you that because the Bible says that. We don't care what anybody else says. We care what the Bible says. Amen. Science says this. I don't care what science says. The Bible says this. And there's 500 verses in the Bible. And the Bible is my authority for faith and practice. The Bible is my authority for science. Listen, when people say, well, the Bible is not a science textbook. Yes, it is. It actually proves all science. And science needs to answer to the Word of God. That's right. And that's what we hold to. We believe science answers to the Word of God. Amen. And if it's not in the Bible, it's not science. It's not true. Yeah, and many of the founding Many Christians that were scientists developed their theories from scripture and then proved their theories true, just proving that the Bible was true, and they were Christians. There is this notion that's referred to as scientism. where certain people want to distort science as some evil, wicked philosophy, when the word science just simply means what we observe. Yeah, I heard one guy say that. One flat earther said, oh, I don't believe in science. I'm a science denier. Really? Because the Bible uses science? Amen. Biblical science is there. Creationism is science. The Bible talks about science falsely so-called, so obviously there is science that is true. Amen. Absolutely. Okay, so let's, man, I'll tell you what. Oh, here's another one. I will break the pride of your power and I will make your heaven as iron and your earth as brass. If the physics on the scale of the earth, the so-called local physics, were to have slightly altered values for any or all of the gravitational constant, the speed of light, or Planck's constant, this could literally come true as a side effect of the firmament. Figuratively, of course, the implication is that God will shut up the resources of heaven, such as rain, in answer to prayer. Interesting, huh? Let's see, how about Numbers chapter 10, verse number 35. And it came to pass when the ark set forward that Moses said, rise up, Lord, and let thine enemies be scattered, and let them that hate thee flee before thee. What is that? That's a resurrection theme. For the geocentric import note, that is the word rise when applied to the sun, is not literal. Then how can one insist that it is literal in context such as this? See what I mean? Amen. That's right. The sun rises. Jesus rises. Rise up, Lord. Amen. That's right. Because the sun moves. It's a picture of the gospel and the Christology. Jesus Christ. Amen and amen. Amen. All right. Let's look at Deuteronomy. Brother Jim, pick one out of Deuteronomy there. All right. Let's see here. Deuteronomy 16, 6, But at the place which the Lord thy God shall choose to place his name in, there thou shalt sacrifice the Passover at even, at the going down of the sun, at the season that came as forth out of Egypt. Amen. Very plain and simple there. In Deuteronomy 4.11, you came near and stood under the mountain, and the mountain burned with fire into the midst of heavens, with darkness, clouds, and thick darkness. This implies geocentricity. But some may argue that this could refer to the middle layer of the atmosphere. However, this view runs in trouble when arguing that heaven is the atmosphere and not all of space. It minimizes the lordship of God. Amen. Yeah, that's another thing that Flat Earthers refuse to recognize, that there's three heavens. We clearly see that. There are three heavens, therefore there are three firmaments, and there is no position or place in their model for those three things. They cross-reference them, and they melt them all together into one thing, which, once again, distorts the Bible, because they don't delineate them. Mm-hmm. Amen, and there's so many in Deuteronomy I mean man, we could go on and on and on with that, but we got to move on to Joshua Let's move on to Joshua. All right. Yeah, it's a good stuff in Joshua. Amen, you know Talks about the the the Sun rising obviously Joshua 10 being the important one We'll use that one later on we're gonna we may do a follow-up show and deal with Joshua's long day and Hezekiah when the Sun went down the dial went down and everything like that so That'll come another time, because we don't have time to really get into that. But Joshua 10, verse number 13, and the sun... Actually, let's go back to verse number 12. Then spake Joshua to the Lord in the day when the Lord delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel. He said on the side of Israel, Son, stand thou still upon Gibeon, and thou moon in the valley of Elion. Although this verse is frequently quoted as geocentric, it is not truly authoritative. Joshua spake as a man, the voice of a man, and so could speak phenomenologically. The true geocentric verse is verse number 13 that explains it explicitly. And the sun stood still. There you go. and the moon stayed until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven and hasted not to go down about a whole day." You know there is actually a teaching There is actually a teaching that we're going to do that shows the true history of this, that around the world in different cultures, and I'm going to bring that to you, they tell you that there was a long night that they didn't think was ever going to end. And there was a day when the sun stood still and it lasted a long time. Yeah. Yep. So we'll share that with you, though, in another teaching. And it came to pass at the time of the going down of the sun that Joshua commanded and they took them down off the tree and cast them into the cave where they had been hid and laid great stones in the cave's mouth, which will remain into this very day. So the sun went down, right? Yeah. Okay. And then Joshua chapter 12 talks about again toward the rising of the sun. Yeah. So over and over again, we see it over and over again, the rising of the sun. Joshua chapter 10 verse number 13 really nails it though and shows you. Sun stands still. Yeah. In verse number 12. And the truth of that is shown that God was with Joshua and he made the sun to stand still at the word of Joshua. Think about that for a second. Amen. Amen? What does it also show you? Well, who's the Son? Jesus Christ. Amen. What does the Bible say? Be still and know that I am God. Right? So God made the Son stand still. And as long as the Son was risen in the sky, as long as it was resurrected and risen in the sky, there was absolute and 100% victory. Amen. Because the Son of Righteousness had risen with healing in His wings, right? Amen. Yep, that's right. And there's victory. There's healing, there's victory. Amen. So, the Bible explains over and over again, the book of Judges. Let's look at one of these, pick one of these, brother Jim, there's so many. Okay, so let's see. Yeah, so Judges 5.31, So let all thine enemies perish, O Lord, but let them that love him be as the sun when he goeth forth in his might. And the land had rest forty years, so the sun goeth forth in his might. So that's a picture. So was God just kidding when he said the sun goes forth? Why do these people keep talking about the sun going forth, the sun moving and everything else, the sun rising, the sun setting? Oh, that was just figurative. No, it's not. Yeah. It's literal. The sun moves. Yeah. So we know that to be literal. Amen. And when judges 99 and when the man rose up to depart, he and his concubine, his servant, his father-in-law, the damsel's father said to him, behold, now the day draw toward evening. I pray you, Terry, all night. Behold, the day groweth to an end. Lodge here and I in heart may be merry. And tomorrow you get you early on your way that thou mayest go home. We talk about what the day drawing nigh. Judges 19, 14 talks about that the sun went down upon them. The sun going down, right? The sun rises, the sun goes down. 1 Samuel. In 1 Samuel, we see the same thing. I mean, there's so many of them. We can go on and on and on. 2 Samuel, 1 and 2 Kings. I mean, these verses are everywhere. Yeah. They talk about the sun rising and the sun setting. Was God trying to confuse us? Was he trying to make us not understand that the earth actually moved? And after 500 years of teaching, finally men, or after hundreds of years of teaching, finally men would just embrace heliocentrism because they don't want to be embarrassed by a bunch of scientists that believe. Why does the Bible say the sun moves and the earth does not move? And the other thing that the Bible is clearly saying is that the sun rises and the sun sets. It does not spin in a circle above our head. No. And act like a flashlight. Right, and that's what the flat earth model teaches is that it's like a... No it doesn't. It says the sun rises and the sun sets. The sun rises and the sun sets. The sun rises and the sun sets because the sun moves. Right? Yeah, that's right. Very clear. Then you have 2 Kings, you have Hezekiah, right? Why don't you read that 2 Kings chapter 20 verse 9. Okay, and Isaiah said, This sign shalt thou have of the Lord, that the Lord will do the thing that he hath spoken. Shall the shadow go forward ten degrees, or go back ten degrees? And Hezekiah answered, it is a light thing for the shadow to go down 10 degrees, nay, but let the shadow return backward 10 degrees. Right. And then verse number 11 says in Isaiah, the prophet cried to the Lord and he brought the shadow 10 degrees backward, which it had gone down in the dial of Ahaz. So it went down. The sun was going down and he brought it back 10 degrees. He let it rise. The sun rose back 10 degrees. And the reason that's a major thing is, well, if you just waited, the sun would naturally go down 10 more degrees. Right. And start to set, but instead. No big deal. Yeah, yeah. Make the sun rise 10 degrees. Yeah, man. Right. Now you think about that because in history. That is recorded, by the way. And I'm going to show you that in another, we're going to show you that in another teaching down the road. But we're going to talk about those two times and why it's so important. Let me ask you a question before we move on. But to you that are listening to this, when it goes online, let me ask you a question. Do you believe the Bible or do you believe what man says? Even if I looked at something, right? And it was contrary to the Bible, I would believe the Bible. We walk by faith and not by sight. I don't care how many people say heliocentricity is true, flat earth is true, whatever is true, I care what God's holy word says. If God's word tells me that the sun moves, and not the earth, then I believe God's word. Yeah, but what if a scientist could show you this and this, and I don't care what they could show me. Strong delusion could be shown. Strong delusion could be given. You can make a hologram. You could make a lot of things. You know what they could do? Lying signs and wonders. Yeah, signs and lying wonders. That's right. So there'll be signs and lying wonders in the end times. They're going to do some lying wonders. So what if they show you something where the earth moves? Yeah. I wouldn't believe it if somebody showed me ice walls. I would believe what the Bible says. Amen. I would believe what God's holy word says before I would believe anything else. Why? Because I believe God. All right? Amen. I believe the word of God that liveth and abideth forever. Amen. Alright, so David said fear before him all the earth the world also shall be stable that it be not moved Geocentric That it be not moved and David lifted up his eyes and set in first Chronicles 21 16 and David lift up his eyes and saw the angel the Lord stand between the earth and the heaven having a drawn sword in his hand stretched over out over Jerusalem and David and the elders of Israel who were clothed in sackcloth fell upon their faces." Geocentric because of the implication of immobility between earth and heaven. Right? Yeah, yeah. We know that in those days Hezekiah was sickened to death and he prayed unto the Lord and he spake unto him and he gave him a sign. Hezekiah's sign was a geocentric sign. Yeah. That's what it was. You know, if it's important enough to God to put 500 references in the Scriptures that the Son moves and the Son of Righteousness is Jesus Christ, you might think that it'd be important for Bible believers to trust the Word of God and not trust man. I would also think that if there were 500 references to geocentricity, it would be something important to study. It surely would be, and it would be important for them How come geocentricity is not talked about, but flat earth is completely raping the airwaves and the radio and the YouTube? Pop culture and rappers. It's popular, but nobody wants to talk about geocentricity. Yoga instructors. Can I help you with something? Here's something. Geocentricity lifts up the son of righteousness, Jesus Christ. Amen. That's right. Flat earth. That flat earth model and that flat earth talk and that consuming flat earth discussion lifts up the creature more than the creator who is God blessed forever. Amen. Amen. Let me ask you something. Does the Bible have more to say about the flat earth or about geocentricity? Well, the Bible never says the earth is flat. I'm going to prove that. But it does say that the sun moves, and the sun rises, and the sun sets, and the earth is the center of God's creation and of God's work. So why isn't geocentricity talked about? Why don't we talk about the Son of Righteousness rising with healing in His wings? Why isn't geocentricity talked about more? I'll tell you why, because Satan hates it. That's why. Because it exalts the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, and Satan hates the name of Jesus, so he wants you to concentrate on the shape of the earth, and not on Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the Son of Righteousness, with healing in His wings. That's why. That's right. Amen. It's true. One doctrine exalts Jesus and will lead to salvation. The other exalts the creature. Yeah. Amen. And we'll prove that later. Absolutely. Amen. All right, so again, I mean, there's more Job, the book of Job. We gotta get into that, brother. It's everywhere in Job. Go ahead and start in Job. You go ahead and start wherever you want to there. Okay, so let's see here. We got Job 9, 6, which shaketh the earth out of her place, and the pillars thereof tremble. Job 9, 7, which commandeth the sun, and it riseth not, and sealeth up the stars. There's so many more. How about Job 2212? Is not God in the height of heaven? And behold, the height of the stars, how high they are. Look at that. Read Job 2214, brother. Look at that. Thick clouds are a covering to him that he seeth not, and he walketh in the circuit of heaven. So the heavens are moving. Right. It says heaven has a circuit, not the earth. Amen. See that? Yep. The next one in Job 25.3, is there any number of his armies? And upon whom doth not his light arise? His light. Yeah, his light arise is a double entendre. The sun is geocentric by implication and is connected with the son of God. Amen, that's right. Job 26.7, read that brother. He stretches out the north over the empty place and hangeth the earth upon nothing. He hangeth the earth upon nothing. Where are those pillars at? Yeah, exactly. We're gonna get into those pillars, aren't we? Yep. When we get the second half of this. This first can only be true if the earth is at the dynamic center of the universe. See Genesis 1-2 that we talked about earlier. Amen. Amen, amen, and amen. Job 26, verse number seven, he stretches out the north over the empty place and hangeth the earth upon nothing. Sorry, you already did that one, but it's so good I read it twice. Verse number nine, he holdeth back the face of his throne and spreadeth his cloud upon it. How about that one? Yeah, amen. Job 28-24, for he looketh to the ends of the earth and seeth under the whole heaven. In order to be under, there has to be a center. The earth is in the context, hence geocentric. Amen. How about that, huh? Yeah. Amen. So many good ones here. So many good ones. Job 38, 12, hast thou commanded the morning since thy days and cause the day spring to know its place. Amen. His place. Excuse me. The day spring is Jesus Christ and the reference is geocentric. Right. Yep. Yep. Amen. So many, so many, so many verses. Oh man, that's a good one. Look at that one. Read, can you read Job 38.33? 38.33, yep, let's see. It's going to be, knowest thou the ordinances of heaven? Canst thou set the dominion thereof in the earth? It's just, The astral bodies were made for Earth, to give light upon it for the measurement of time and for seasons. As such, the dominion over the ordinances of Heaven must be on Earth, the body for which they were created. This is the reverse of astrology, which sets the dominion of the Earth to the stars. Indeed, modern science also sets the stars. The sun in particular to rule the earth. Geocentricity is how the dominion of the ordinances heaven is set in the earth. No man can do that. Indeed, it is hard for modern man to even accept its truth. Amen. Think about that. I'm telling you, man, that's powerful stuff right there. Amen. Job 41.11, who hath prevented me that I should repay him? Whatsoever is under the whole heaven is mine. Under the whole heaven has a geocentric sense in that it positions the earth at the center. That's right. Yep. All right. And the Psalms, oh my goodness, the Psalms are so full. Yeah. All right. To the chief music in Psalm 8, 1 to the chief musician upon Gidath, a Psalm of David. Oh, Lord, our God, our Lord, how excellent is thy name in all the earth who has set, who has set thy glory above the heavens. Geocentric, it implies that the frame of reference is outside the universe, above the heavens, runs contrary to an infinite universe. It also indicates that there's multiple heavens, that there's two heavens, and God's heaven is outside of that. Right. So there's three, just like there's three firmaments. Amen. Yeah. That's right. Psalm 8, 4, what is man that thou art mindful of him, and the son of man that thou visitest him? Mm. Mm. Amen. Psalm 19 5, which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber and rejoices of the strong man to run a race. The subject is the son. It's talking about the son as a strong man cometh out of its chamber and rejoices that the strong man run at the race. Why? Because the son do move. That's why. Amen. It's moving. Yeah. Man. Amen. This is not a doctrine that is not important. It is very important. It is very important because it proves it's a picture of the gospel of Jesus Christ. The flat earth is not a picture of the gospel of Jesus Christ. No, and you can't allegorize these verses and call them Whatever that long word is. Phenomenological. You cannot say that it's phenomenological. You have to take them literally, because if you can't take them literally, then you can't take any of scripture literally. That's right, in Psalm 46, 2, therefore will we not fear, though the earth be removed and though the mountains be carried in the midst of the sea. What is that saying? It's saying the earth does not move now. Yeah, that's right. Amen, that's right. Pretty easy, isn't it? Yeah. Beautiful for situ some 48 to I love singing this beautiful for situation the joy of the whole earth is Mount Zion on the sides of the north the city of the great king, right? Amen. I to the north are also mentioned in Isaiah 14 13 for geocentric impact We're gonna look at that verse here in a little while. But but look what it says. It says the sides of the north are Amen. Directly above Mount Zion. How about that? Psalm 50, verse 1. The mighty God, even the Lord, has spoken and called the earth from the rising of the sun unto the going down thereof. Amen. Amen. Look at Psalm 57, 11. Read that one, brother. Be thou exalted, O God, above the heavens. Let thy glory be above all the earth. Implies the glory is centered on the earth, and thus, by implication, it is geocentric. Amen. Psalm 68, 4, sing unto God, sing praises to his name, extol him that writeth upon the heavens by his name Yah, and rejoice before him. This implies that the heavens move. Amen. To him that writeth upon the heavens of heavens, which by the way, that means there's more than one. Amen, that's right. That would be a Flat-earth kill shot, wouldn't it? Yep. I do believe so. Yes to him that right upon the heaven of heaven heavens of heavens Which were of old lo he does send out his voice and that a mighty voice Amen, amen There's so many more. I know we have added the clouds from above and open the doors of heaven Amen Here's an here's a big one here his seed also will I make to endure forever in his throne is the days of heaven. How can there be days in heaven if earth's rotation marks a day? The verse says that the procession of days of heaven is eternal. Geocentricity says the second heaven rotates once every 24 hours with respect to both the surface of the earth and the third heaven. From that, it follows that a day, a rotation period of the third heaven is eternal. Therein lies a problem. However, note that the context is David's throne, the kingdom of heaven, Thus, the verse to be understood in an earthbound context where the procession of days is that produced by the rotation of the second heaven. By placing the timekeeper, the rotation of the second heaven between the earth and the third heaven, both can regulate their days with a common synchronized clock. Amen. Totally and thoroughly shattering the flat earth model to pieces. Amen. Psalm 93, 1. The Lord reigneth. He is clothed with majesty. The Lord is clothed with strength, wherewith he hath girded himself. The world also established that it cannot be moved. Amen. Psalm 9610, say among the heathen that the Lord reigneth, the world also shall be established, that it shall not be moved. He said it again, didn't he? Yep, he did. Man, read Psalm 99 verse 1. The Lord reigneth, let the people tremble. He sitteth between the cherubims, let the earth be moved. The context is judgment. Yep. Yet will I shake Amen. That's right. One day he's going to shake it all out and shake it all loose. Yup. Amen. But not now. It doesn't move. That's what he's talking about. The judgment. Amen. It's going to come. It's going to move like that. Yup. Right? And there's so many. For he hath looked down from the height of his sanctuary. From heaven did the Lord behold the earth. Amen. Amen. who laid, Psalm 104.5, who laid the foundations of the earth that it should not be removed forever. Amen. So many, so many, so many. We got to stop. We got to keep moving, right? Yeah. There's so many. We got to move. Well, the earth's not moving, but we got to keep moving. That's right. That's right. All right. Because there is so much here that we could talk about. There's so many verses. Hundreds of verses. We're still in the Old Testament. We got to get, we're going to have to move up, aren't we, brother? Yeah, you want to move up to the New Testament? Yeah, we're gonna have to. Actually, I want to stop at Ecclesiastes because there are a few good ones. Okay. Let's hurry and read some of those. Okay. Ecclesiastes 1.5. The sun also ariseth and the sun goeth down and hasteth to his place where he arose. Think about that. What is he saying? He's saying he. Yeah. Yeah. Tie solar motion to the resurrection of Christ. Yep. Amen. He is dealing with a he. The sun also rises and the sun goeth down and hasteth to the place where he arose. Amen. How about that? Ecclesiastes 1.13, And I gave my heart to seek and search out by wisdom concerning all things that are done under heaven. This sore travail hath God given to the sons of man to be exercised therewith. And then he talks about under the sun, under the heavens, under the sun, under the heaven, over and over again. And the key to understanding Ecclesiastes, by the way, in case you get confused, is he is talking about everything under the sun. Yeah. Get it? It means on this side, not on the other side. Yeah. So he's dealing from man's perspective. under the sun, the sore travail of men under the sun, right? Then I returned and saw vanity under the sun, he says. I considered all the living which walk under the sun with the second child that shall stand up in his stead. This is a sore evil which I have seen under the sun. So he says it over and over again, under the sun, under the sun. There's so many. Isaiah 14, 13. Let's move ahead. Why don't you read that one, Brother Jim, because that's an important one. Okay, 13. Mm-hmm. Yeah, so we see Satan saying he's gonna exalt himself above Right. Yeah above the stars of God very clear very clear passage there You know and in the end times in the tribulation Isaiah chapter 24 verse number 19 says the earth is utterly broken down The earth is clean dissolved. The earth is moved exceedingly. The context is in that tribulation period. Amen amen when the when the when the when the moon shall be darkened, and the sun shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven. Yep. Isaiah 2420, the earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage, and the transgressions thereof shall be heavy upon it, and it shall fall and not rise again. Once again, the judgment of God. Yep. Amen. So, I mean, all over the place. Judgment also, will I lie to the line? Oh, that's right. I want to move forward to the plumb line. That's what we're going to move forward to. Oh, yes. Yep. What's that? Amos, right? Yes. Oh, wait. Yep. Amos. I have it backwards for some reason. So, you have to click forward after. Yep. I got it. Okay. Let's cover that one, brother. Go ahead. Yep. Okay. In Amos 7-7. Thus he showed me, and behold, the Lord stood upon the wall made by a plumb line with a plumb line in his hand. If the earth is rotating, let alone the profusion of other superimposed notions, a plumb line at the temple viewed from the mercy seat in the third heaven would seldom, if ever, point to God's throne with New Jerusalem. Such a line, when seen from the throne, would aimlessly flail about. But in scripture, this line points to God's throne, thus showing the fixity of the earth with respect to the third heaven, that God's third heaven is fixed. We shall have to take at His Word, for only God the Creator can supply the reference. The plumb line, in turn, holds the plummet, a lead ball. In Isaiah 28, 17, this plumb line over Jerusalem connects Jesus in verses 9-13 with righteousness on earth. In Amos 7-7, the Lord shows Amos the plumb line of Isaiah 28 and prophesies that the promised tribulation, desolation in Amos 7-8 will not again pass by them anymore. The wall of this verse upon which stands the Lord must be the temple wall showing the cosmological heavenly alignment of the place where God puts his name. Zechariah calls attention to this plumb line when prophesying the rebuilding of the temple in Zechariah 4.10. and associates the plummet with the cosmic events of Revelation 1 through the seven candles, where they shall rejoice and shall see the plummet in the hand of Zerubbabel with those seven. They are the eyes of the Lord which run to and fro throughout the whole earth. The plumb line shows that salvation comes down, as in Psalm 19, to the earth. Note the symbolism of the plummet, being made of lead, which is considered the basis of metals, residing closest to the earth, representing man who cannot save himself, Ephesians 2, 8 and 9. The plumb line points from earth to heaven, Jesus being the plumb line in our way to heaven. And it also points from heaven to earth bringing judgment upon Jerusalem as we see in 2 Kings 21-13. Note that the word line in 2 Kings 21-13 and Psalms 19 and many other places is a geocentric notion in that it is geocentric Whoa, I can't pronounce that word. They're really rotating heavens that produce the lines. Yep. Yep. So that's kind of a weird word. But anyway, basically the plumb line, what does it prove? Geocentricity. Yep, and it proves that the third heaven is directly above Jerusalem. Amen. Yep, amen. Amen, absolutely. So that's very important. Malachi also... And that is why New Jerusalem, where is New Jerusalem going to come down? Straight out of heaven. Yep, straight down. Yep. Malachi 4, 2, But unto you that fear my name shall the Son of Righteousness arise with healing in his wings, and ye shall go forth and grow up as calves of the stall. What happened? The Son rises, right? If the Son is not literal, then how can one insist that it is literal in context such as this? Note, too, that Christ came to us to arise. We did not go to Him. See how that works? Yeah, amen. And in the book of Matthew, it starts out again. The Bible says in Matthew 5, 45, that you may be the children of your father, which is in heaven. For he maketh his son to rise on the evil and on the good and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. This verse is geocentric because it equates the grace of God with the rising of the sun. People who make the for he maketh the sun to rise phrase phenomenological would never do the same to sendeth the rain. Right. We approach the rain instead of the rain approaching us. Amen. That's really good. Amen. So, I mean, there's so many in the New Testament as well. So many more in the Old Testament that we don't have time to really go through, but let's see. Mark, and even when the sun did set, they brought unto him all that were diseased, and them that were possessed of the devil, sun rising, sun setting. When the sun was up, it was scorched, because it had no root, it withered away. Sun rising, sun setting. Now, when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared the first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast out seven devils. The verse has geocentric overtones when coupled with Genesis 19.23, which says the sun was risen upon the earth. If the expression sun was risen in Genesis is not to be taken literally because science has proven otherwise, then obviously Jesus was risen, should not be taken literally because science has proven that resurrection from the dead is even more impossible than geocentricity. Wow. The general theory of relativity. Yeah. Amen. Right. Right, which we do not hold to the theory of relativity. No, no, absolutely not. So then after the Lord had spoken unto him, he was received up into heaven and sat on the right hand of God. Geocentric impact in that he straight up leads to the third heaven where God's throne is. Amen. Straight up. Amen. All right. We talk about the day spring in Luke 178. Through the tender mercy of our God, whereby the day spring from on high hath visited us. The day spring does the visiting. Thus came he to us. The heliocentric view has us, the world, turning to the day spring and so honoring Christ and so does not confess that Jesus Christ came and rose from the dead. Right? Yeah. What Luke 10, 18, and he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven. He implies the centralness of the earth, unless the atmosphere is meant by heaven. Yeah. Right? Yeah. How about this? Luke 16, 17, it is easier for heaven and earth to pass than one tittle of the law to fail. Jesus attributes greater stability to the text of the scripture than to the heaven and earth. If the earth were not stable, there would be little point in this comparison. Amen. How about that? Yeah, I mean we could go the Jews because he said I am the bread which came down from heaven. Yeah. I mean, there's so many. Ah, heaven is my throne and the earth is my footstool. What house will you build for me, saith the Lord? Or what is the place of my rest? Romans talks about who shall ascend into heaven, Romans 10.6. That is to bring Christ down from above. Right? That ascent is a theocentric impact. Yeah. So many more. How about this one? Ephesians 4.9. Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens that he might fill all things. Ephesians 4.26. Be angry and sin not. Let not the sun go down upon your wrath. Amen. Right? Yeah. So, so many, I mean, man, we can't read them all, we really can't. But the sun rises, the sun sets, doesn't say the earth moves. Yeah, amen. It says here, every good gift and every perfect gift is from above and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning. Amen. Right? Yeah. So anyway, we could go on and on with those, but I think we made our point. Amen. Yep. You know, I really do think that we made the point very clear of, you know, the geocentric model and that the Bible proves geocentricity. The Bible assumes geocentricity. Yep. That the earth is stable. So no, next time a flat earther says, Do you, oh, so you believe this is like a ball spinning with a thousand miles per hour? Nope. Nope. No, we believe the Bible. Amen. We believe the sun rises and sets. We don't believe it does what you say it does. We believe it rises and sets just like Jesus rose from the dead. Amen. The same way. The next portion, the next section that we come to is the flat earth. Does the Bible teach a flat earth? Going from geocentricity to now coming to the point of flat earth, we have to ask ourselves, does the Bible teach a flat earth? Because if it does, we should believe it. Amen. People say, well, you know, you, you teach every, you teach on all kinds of stuff and you teach against Hollywood, you teach against all these other things. Why don't you teach flat Earth? Why do you think it's a big deal if we talk about flat Earth so much? Well, because that's all you talk about, number one. Secondly, I don't believe flat Earth is in the Bible. Amen. I don't see the Bible says the Earth is flat. Amen. It doesn't say that anywhere. So what about these terms and everything else? Well, I believe Dr. Bo, I believe he proves from the scriptures, like we're going to prove from the scriptures, that the earth is a sphere. And I want to point out something else about Dr. Bo is that the one quote we took from the biblical astronomer was written in 1992. And if you just statistically, you know, the flat earthers always say, well, just research. And by research, they mean Google something. Because that's the extent of research nowadays, is you type it into Google and whatever the most popular thing that comes up, that's obviously the truth or whatever. But they say, well, research this. Well, Dr. Bo has been a geocentrist for longer than 98% of flat earthers have even been alive. He has extensively written on it, far before the geocentric fad, which you can go under Google word searches and you can see the hockey stick up in 2015, 2014, 2015, and I realize it's the secret doctrine of all ages that's being revealed in the last days, but we clearly see a hockey stick for some reason, even though that everybody used to hold, I don't wanna start going down a trail, but we're gonna thoroughly refute this, I believe. Absolutely, absolutely. So, let's get into this. There are many people who say the Bible is not a textbook on science. This saying, common among the Christian intelligentsia, seems to have originated with Augustine, and is generally quoted to explain away some sort of apparent conflict between science and the Bible. Listen, there is no conflict with science and the Bible in science, because all true science comes from the Bible. Amen. Some sort of apparent conflict, right? In particular, reconciling evolution with Genesis chapter 1, and the idea that the Bible teaches that the earth is flat. The saying is subsequently invoked as an excuse for why the Bible need not be believed or taken literally on that particular scientific point. However, 2 Timothy 3.16 tells us that the Bible is authoritative in all that it touches upon, science included, so one might well question the validity of Augustine's claim insofar as those areas of science upon which the Bible does make pronouncements are concerned. Creationists have recently dealt quite well with the Evolution vs Genesis chapter 1 issue, but there is one area on which the Bible does touch which has not been well covered, and that is the shape of the Earth. Most modern scholars claim the Bible teaches an Earth flat and rectangular in shape which is placed on 7 pillars which in turn are based on a foundation. This, scholars claim, is how the ancients thought of the earth and man, in writing the Bible, merely echoed the scientific dogmas of the time. Because of that, many have assumed that the Bible was written by men and not by God, and as a result, that the Bible is not to be viewed as an authority in science. But a careful investigation and search of the scriptures reveals that such a model is not dictated by the wording of the Bible. On the contrary, the Bible was already hinting of the sphericity of the earth by referring to the compass upon the face of the depths in Proverbs 8, 27. Amen. Some 500 years before the nations first started to doubt the flatness of the earth. The biblical model is one which has an earth, basically spherical in shape, with angular continents and pillars which undergird the world. The pillars can be shown to correspond to crystalline rock, commonly called the mantle, and that there is an unspecified number of foundations to the earth which can range from the roots of mountains, to the core of the earth, to the very foundation, Jesus Christ himself. is the purpose behind this article. Some of the arguments presented are well over 400 years old. Others are presented here for the first time, but all purport to belie the notion that the Bible's view of the earth is that maintained by most of this world's scholars. So what's the historical background, Brother Jim, of this flat earth theory? The belief in a flat Earth was widely espoused by the ancients. The Hindus, for example, cosmology in which the Earth is taken to be a flat disk placed on the back of an elephant, which in turn is standing on a giant turtle, which is swimming in a vast cosmic ocean. The Greeks, until about the 6th century before Christ, believed the earth to be flat and placed on the shoulders of a giant atlas. Even before the Greek civilization, the Egyptians widely viewed the earth as flat, surrounded by mountains, upon which was placed the solid dome of heaven. The sun, moon, and the planets traveled along a celestial river in that dome. And this same Egyptian model is the model that Rob Skiba placates to. And he says that if you look at Logos software, that's a very expensive Bible search software. And because of that, that doesn't mean that it's riddled with heresy. And he said, they clearly show that this is the ancient Hebrew model of the earth, and he neglects to remember the fact that Israel was brought into Babylonian captivity, and that they were also, you know, enslaved to Egypt, which is where they picked up all their pagan practices. That's right. So, yeah, that's... Yeah, about the 6th century BC, some astronomical observations indicated the Earth to be a sphere, and by the time of the Middle Ages, the scholarly opinion was for the spherical Earth. Thus, Christopher Columbus did not encounter opposition for sailing west to the Indies, so much on the basis of the belief that his ships would sail off the edge of a flat Earth, as that his estimates for the size of the spherical Earth were way too small. Scholarly opinion throughout the Renaissance was divided on the issue of the shape of the Earth, with adherence of the spherical Earth in the majority. In 1578, the French academician, the naturalist Lambert Donneau, in his book, The Wonderful Workmanship of the World, wrote of the flat Earth controversy as it existed in his day. After defending the sphericity of the earth on the grounds of scripture, he turned to a geometrical argument, noting that the geometry of the geometers, speaking of the higher and lower parts of a sphere, parallels the biblical references to the higher and lower parts of the earth. Danao concludes his discussion with this, It should be pointed out in the above text that Danao's use of the word receipt means acceptance or recitation Danell was saying that he had summarized the different positions of his time on the shape of the earth, and that because of said positions, there was no consensus in the world. Now, if you talk to flat earthers, they say, oh, as always, everybody always believed it was flat. That's not true. If you do an honest historical depiction or a historical research of it, you find that's not what people believed. That's not true. There wasn't a consensus of it. Yep, there was a book written in, I forget when it was first published. But it's called Inventing the Flat Earth, Columbus and Modern Historians. And it was written by Jeffrey Burton Russell. And he talks about this fact. And the interesting thing to note is because the flat earthers say, oh, well, where did you learn that you believe everything you learned in school, that the Earth was a globe and all this stuff? But where did we learn that Columbus thought the Earth was flat? We learned that in public school. From a school book. Yeah, from a public school textbook. That's right. So don't be a hypocrite. Yeah, that's right. Right. Don't don't don't be that way. Okay. All right, then. Okay, so, but since to now wrote his book, Exploration of the Bible has revealed even stronger Bible passages than those used by Danao in support of a spherical earth. So just what does the Bible have to say about the earth's shape? In order to ascertain the Bible's teaching on the shape of the earth, we need to look at the underlying parts of the earth. The Bible speaks of the foundations of the earth, the pillars of the earth, the corners of the earth, and the ends of the earth. And these are the things that flat earthers try to use to discredit a spherical earth. And they clearly reject, once again, just like with there's three heavens and there's three firmaments, they clearly ignore the fact that the word Earth is not always a reference to the same thing. They always assume that when the Scriptures say Earth, it's saying the exact same thing, and that allows them to twist the Scriptures to say they want to, you know, impose their interpretation on the Scriptures by assuming that the term Earth always means the same thing, when it clearly does not. Amen. So let's get into this. We're going to get into the foundations of the earth and world, okay? The Bible speaks of both the world and the earth as having foundations. The term world speaks of the order of man in the earth. Did you catch that? It speaks of the order of man in the earth. as such references to foundations and pillars of the world cannot be held as very authoritative when it comes to speaking about the shape of the earth. Do you understand that? They're trying to make each one of those passages deal with the shape of the earth and it does not fit. Nope. The term earth, on the other hand, can not only refer to the whole earth, but also to ground, and as we shall see, land or country. So it is that a complete picture of the form of the earth in Scripture will not be manifest until all these things are considered. Of the number of passages which relate to the foundations of the earth and the world, all but three speak of the foundations of the earth, and the other three refer to the foundations of the world. Of these last three, two are almost identical and they can be found in 2 Samuel 22 verse 16. and the channels of the sea appeared, the foundations of the world were discovered, at the rebuking of the LORD, at the blast of the breath of his nostrils. And in Psalms 18.15 Then the channels of waters were seen, and the fountains of the world were discovered at thy rebuke, O LORD, at the blast of the breath of thy nostrils. Now listen closely, the context of both passages indicates that the foundations of the world are now hidden and will be discovered or exposed at the time of the judgment. The third reference to the foundations of the world tell us just what these foundations are. In Psalm 24, 1-2, The earth is the Lord's, and the fullness thereof, the world, and they that dwell therein. For he hath founded it upon the seas, and established it upon the floods. Since the world is defined to be that part of the earth that pertains to mankind, there can be little doubt of the truth of the statement that the world is founded upon the seas, not built upon rocky foundations like the foundations of a building. When it comes to the foundations of the earth, there are many more Bible verses from which to draw. Many of these references state that God laid the foundations of the earth, but each verse adds a little to that simple fact. Psalm 102 verse 25 tells us that God laid the foundations of old. with Hebrews 1.10 echoing the thought that God laid the foundations of the earth in the beginning. And Job 38.4 simply states that God laid the foundations of the earth, but the 6th verse indicates that the foundations are themselves fastened upon something else. Hebrews 1 3 names this something else as the Lord Jesus Christ Who upholds all things by the word of his power go ahead and turn to Hebrews 1 3 brother. Jim. Can you get there? Amen? Yep verse Okay, Hebrews 1 3 who being the brightness of his glory and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the majesty on high. So he upholds all things. Amen. Right? The foundations are on Christ. Amen. Not a physical pillar. No. On Christ the solid rock I stand. Amen. All other ground is sinking sand, right? Yep. The flat earth model sits on some pillar, and that pillar sits on, I don't know, it's a really long pillar that goes to where? Because that pillar, in order to stand to support the earth, would have to rest on something, right? And what's that? Yep. That's right. And that's what's so sickening as you kind of read through this and you're like, and I'm sure, and I pray that, you know, some flat earthers listen to this and they're like, wow, well, I never saw those verses like that because they were viewing them through a paradigm and oh, we can clearly see here what it means by the term world. And that is just the subtle hiss of the serpent. Yes, it is. Just taking the truth and twisting it ever so slightly to fit an agenda. Yeah, and what God said. Yep. And what's the agenda? The earth, Christ upholds the earth. No, he doesn't. No, it's these pillars. Yeah, nope. Oh, no, the sun doesn't rise. Jesus doesn't rise. It's, you know, the sun spins around like a flashlight over our head. Nope. Wow. Okay, Proverbs 8.29 tells us that the earth's foundations were appointed. Proverbs 3.19 indicates that the earth was founded by wisdom, while Jeremiah 31.37 indicates that the foundations are unsearchable. Yep. And Micah 6.2 tells us that they are strong, so strong that the earth should never be moved. You see that? Yeah, amen. Given the above references to the foundations of the earth, there are two things which become readily apparent. First of all, the foundations themselves are fastened upon Christ, the sustainer of the universe. Amen. You wonder what gravity is and what all these other things are or how all these things work? Christ upholds it all. Amen. What holds the water on the ball? The bounds that God has set. It says God set bounds for the water. So that keeps the water wherever God wants it. It's not hard. No. First of all, the foundations themselves are fastened upon Christ, the sustainer of the universe. Secondly, they are located somewhere under the earth. Jeremiah 31, 37. When it comes to scientific application, there is one thing which science can thus far confirm of these characteristics, discounting obvious characteristics such as strength, and that is their in-searchability. The key verse is Jeremiah 31, 37. God's telling you how he did everything right there. That's right. You don't have to see it. Amen. You believe it by faith. Amen. Whenever there is an earthquake, shockwaves are propagated throughout the interior of the earth. But there is one area which the waves fail to penetrate. That area is the earth's core, the very central part or foundation of the earth. Is this not the very thing that the prophet Jeremiah indicates? Until recently, seismologists assumed that the center of the earth was composed of molten iron. Scientists now believe that the core may be rocky. No one knows for certain. Man's concepts of the outer layers of the Earth's crust has significantly changed in recent years. How much more so his ideas of the Earth's interior? And to translate for flat earthers, you know, if the Earth was flat and there was an earthquake, the whole deal would shake. But if it's a ball, the crust can shake and the core can remain stable and in place and unmovable. How do you explain the immovability of the earth when we have an earthquake? Other than the fact that flat earthers will say that volcanoes are a governmental conspiracy. And that is stupid. Yeah. And crazy. And I'll be honest with you. When I first was introduced to the flat earth, somebody sent me a video and I started watching it and it was this God hater, Eric Debay, um, And I'm watching it, and I'm like, wow, huh, this is really interesting. Hmm, there's some good points here. And then I get to this part where all volcanic eruptions are some type of governmental conspiracy, even though we know that Pompeii erupted. And I'm just like, that is so inconceivably mentally retarded that anyone would even consider it and not completely reject it. When, as soon as he said that, this is so jacked up that I can't even, I'm done. I'm not going to finish watching this, it's stupid. Right, absolutely. And that's what they do it for, to make it look, they want to discredit the whole deal. Right. Absolutely. Now we come to the corners and the ends of the earth. This is going to be interesting. If the foundations of the earth seem to be scientifically reasonable, then what of the four corners of the earth? Isn't that proof of the Bible teaching that the earth is flat? Recent satellite results have indicated that the Earth has four bulges, and some Christian apologists have taken these four bulges to be the four corners of the Earth, but such is rather far-fetched, especially considering that the bulges amount to only a few yards above the mean shape of the Earth. The problem only arises if one ignores the dictionary definition of the word corner. The Oxford English Dictionary definition defines corner to mean an extremity or end of the earth, a region, quarter, a direction or quarter from which the wind blows. Amen. The word corner comes from a Latin root word, cornu, which means horn. That this is so, that this, that this, ugh. that this is so survives in English via such words as cornet, corn, cornucopia. Hence the four corners of the earth can be interpreted as referring to the four cardinal directions, North, South, East, and West. In addition, the four corners of the earth can also be interpreted as the four horns of the earth. One obvious example of such a horn is Cape Horn, the southernmost tip of South America. So the usage of the phrase four corners of the earth does not signify a flat rectangular earth. In addition to referring to the four corners of the earth, the Bible also mentions the ends of the earth. When it comes to the consideration of the ends of the earth, the above dictionary definition contains the resolution within it. Another way of saying the ends of the earth is to refer to the extremities of the earth. In this case, as is also the case for the four corners of the earth, the word earth refers to the landmass, country, or continents as opposed to the globe. For an example of earth being used as land or country, compare Exodus chapter 10 verse number 15. It says this, For the locusts covered all the face of the whole earth, so that the land was darkened, and there remained not any green thing in the trees, or in the herbs of the field, through all the land of Egypt. With verses 12-14. And the Lord said unto Moses, Stretch out thy hand over the land of Egypt, for the locusts, that they may come up upon the land of Egypt, and eat every herb of the land, even all that the hail hath left. And Moses stretched forth his rod over the land of Egypt, and the locusts went up over all the land of Egypt. Now what's this say here? Jim, go ahead and take it. Since the word earth can be used as synonymous with land, the ends of the earth thus refer to the points of land most distanced from some central point. For the Bible, this central point is the land of Israel. The reader can satisfy himself by examining a globe that a great circle passing through Jerusalem and the North and South Poles very nearly cuts the Pacific Ocean in half and leaves four continental corners or ends, namely the Chukchi Peninsula of the Soviet Union opposite the Bering Straits of Alaska, the southern tip of Australia, and Cape Horn of South America. These four geographical locations, as much as any other proposal, can account for the four corners of the Earth. Alternatively, since there was probably a land link between Serbia and Alaska at the time the Bible was written, the four corners of the Earth could be Norway, Newfoundland, Cape Horn, and the Cape of Good Hope. In the light of such evidence, we cannot claim that the Bible presents the earth as a four-cornered square. Furthermore, there are other passages which provide evidence that the Bible teaches a round earth instead of a flat earth. The most famous of the Bible verses supporting a round or spherical earth is Isaiah 40, 22, where it says of God that it is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in. The fact that this verse speaks of the circle of the earth can mean one of three things. Number one, the earth is not a flat square, but a flat circle. If that is true, then what are the four corners of the earth? A flat circle has no corners. Number two, the earth is shaped in a way that is feroidal, but has a square cross section somewhere at the equator, for example. Or three, the earth is soroidal in shape. This latter opinion is further strengthened by the observing the references to the inhabitants as grasshoppers, implying a perspective from on high, particularly the outmost heaven. Isaiah 40.22 is not the only verse in the Bible which speaks of the circle as descriptive of the shape of the earth. Proverbs 8.27 reads, When he prepared the heavens, I was there, and we set a compass upon the face of the depth. The word compass can mean a circular enclosure or a spherical envelope. Since the verse speaks of an extended area some three quarters of the surface of the earth, the spherical enclosure for compass is a better interpretation than a circular enclosure. Even with Isaiah 40 and verse number 22 in Proverbs 8, 27, the evidence for the sphericity of the earth in scripture is still only circumstantial. In any case, these verses serve to illustrate that a spherical earth is not necessarily inconsistent with the Bible. But there is one more passage which is far stronger. Luke chapter 17, verse number 31 to 36. You got that? Yep. Why don't you read that? Luke 17, 31 to 36. 31 to 36. Here we go. In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away. And he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back. Remember Lot's wife. Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it, and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it. I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed. The one shall be taken, the other shall be left. Two women shall be grinding together, the one shall be taken, the other left. Two men shall be in the field, the one shall be taken, and the other left." Amen. In regard to the shape of the earth, The point of these verses is this, they speak of day, verse number 31, and night, verse number 34, as occurring simultaneously. The activities are listed in context of that global event, the rapture which Paul describes as occurring in the twinkling of an eye. The simplest explanation for this simultaneously of daylight and night is if the earth were spheroidal in shape. Although, one can always postulate a form of Romanian geometry for light rays which could leave the earth dark half the time. Likewise, in Acts 1.8, Jesus gives his commission to his disciples to be witnesses unto the uttermost part of the earth. Note here that the word part is singular. A flat earth with four corners should be indicated by uttermost parts. But a spheroidal Earth would have only one uttermost part, its opposite side, or antipodes. Antipodes. Antipodes, sorry. Antipodes. Thus, the Bible does not necessarily teach that the Earth is flat. Amen. Next, we cover the pillars of the Earth. The pillars. This is a big one here. You know, because these guys like to hang their hat on this one. And it's important that we understand. So, Brother Jim, why don't you go ahead and start with that. If the biblical view of the earth is that of a spheroidal earth, what happens of the pillars of the earth, which are mentioned in three passages? The first of these three is the prayer of Hannah, which can be found in 1 Samuel 2, starting at verse 8. He raises up the poor out of the dust and lifts up the beggar from the dunghill to set them among princes and to make them inherit the throne of glory. For the pillars of the earth are the Lord's, and He has set the world upon them. Obviously this verse indicates that the earth is pillars and that the world that which pertains to man is set upon them, not having any pillars of its own. Note that this verse does not require that the earth be placed on pillars, only that the world is placed thereon. We shall find this view to be consistent with the other two scripture passages also. It does not appear to be the case, as historians Santalena and von Decken recently argued in their book Hamlet's Mill, that the pillars of the earth are the two solstices and two equinoxes. The solstices are the highest and lowest points at which the sun appears in the sky, beginning at the first day of summer and winter, respectively. The equinoxes correspond to the times when the sun crosses the equator and correspond to the first days of autumn and spring. Finally, there is one more Bible passage to consider before concluding this study on the biblical teaching of the shape of the earth. Job 26.7 will modify any preconceived notions we may have about the pillars of the earth. It reads, he stretched out the north over the empty place and hangeth the earth upon nothing. There you go. A flat earth upon pillars and foundations hanging upon nothing is very difficult to imagine since one usually imagines the foundation to be the primary support for any structure. But here we note that according to this verse, in addition to the pillars and foundations underneath, the earth also hangs upon nothing. The pillars are under pressure, that they support the surface of the earth where the world is. is clear from Hannah's song. We have already noted that the Earth to be spheroidal in shape, and so the Earth's pillars must be located between the Earth's surface and the core. In particular, the pillars of the Earth could simply be vertically oriented crystalline rock. It is widely believed that there is such a shell of crystalline rock inside the Earth. This shell is generally called the mantle of the Earth. Occasionally, these crystalline forms form above the surface of the Earth. In every case, they are oriented vertically. There are at least two examples of such rock in the continental United States. Pinnacles National Monument in California, which is not really crystalline in nature, and the other more graphic example is found in Devil's Tower National Monument, Wyoming. Thus, we conclude that Job 26-7 would appear to support a spherical Earth. In summary, the Bible teaches that the Earth is basically a sphere in shape, that there are pillars which undergird the world and which we conclude to be the crystalline rock corresponding to what we commonly call the mantle, that there are an unspecified number of foundations which range in size all the way from the foundations of the hills and mountains called roots in modern science to the unsearchable core of the earth and to the very foundation, which is the Lord Jesus Christ himself. Amen. The Bible talks about that. The Bible talks about in Colossians chapter one. Let's turn there. Okay. Colossians chapter one. Hang on one second. Let me get there. Let's see. It says in verse number 15, who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature. For by him were all things created that are in heaven and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created by him and for him. And he is before all things. And by him, all things consist. Amen. That's another proof verse that He holds up everything. By Him, you say, I can't explain all these other things, you know, gravity, all these other things. Well, you know what? Christ holds everything up. Amen. That's how. I can explain it. Amen. This is the view of the earth which the Bible presents, not the view of a flat earth on pillars which are, in turn, placed on a foundation. Bible critics are thus shown to be wrong in their view of what the Bible teaches on the matter of the shape of the earth. Also made manifest is their inability or else lack of desire to study firsthand and in detail the teachings of the Bible on this matter in particular, and by implication, any biblical matter. Knowing much about the Bible, they know little of the Bible. And we are so justified in viewing with due skepticism any man who uncritically prefixes his remarks with, the Bible is not a textbook on science. Amen. You know, these terms that the Flat Earthers use have just been defined by the Bible to show you what they are, and geocentricity completely destroys the Flat Earth fable. Amen. And it also destroys the heliocentric evolutionary model. Amen. And Christ rises above it all as the Son of Righteousness with healing in His wings. Do you understand? Geocentricity is the truth. That's what the Bible teaches. The Bible doesn't teach a flat Earth. It doesn't even imply a flat Earth. Nope. And it's very clear. But you know the most important thing about this whole thing that I want you to understand, and I believe we've thoroughly refuted the Flat Earth model with geocentricity. I absolutely believe that. But let me say this to you. Geocentricity is all over the Bible. Christ rising with healing in his wings. Christ, the Son of God, the sun rising. That's the picture of the death, the burial, and the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Now, witchcraft tried to mock that, right? All these things by the elements and all these other things tried to mock that. But let me tell you something, friend. If you're listening to this and you've held to a flat earth or anything else, and you're not saved, the shape of the earth won't save you. But if you look in the Bible and you see that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, and everything is upheld by His power. Jesus Christ died on the cross for your sins, and He was buried, and He rose again the third day. And Jesus Christ is coming back again with great power and glory. Amen. And friend, you're a sinner and guilty before God, and you need Jesus Christ to forgive your sins and to cleanse you of your unrighteousness. The Bible says, for all have sinned and come short of the glory of God, and for the wages of sin is death. More importantly than the shape of the earth and anything else is your soul saved. If you were to die tonight, would your sins be forgiven you? That's the most important thing I can tell you is that Jesus will save you from your sin. His name means He shall save His people from their sins. The Bible says, repent ye therefore and be converted that your sins may be blotted out. I'm concerned for your soul more than anything. Whatever the shape of the earth or any of those other things. We preached unto you Jesus Christ, and him crucified, buried, and risen again the third day. And we preached that to you, and we preached the name of Jesus, because there is none of the name given among heaven whereby we must be saved. There's no other name. But the name of Jesus, that at the name of Jesus, every knee should bow and every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. The Bible says, he that hath the Son hath life. He that hath not the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abideth on him. Listen, Jesus has power on earth. to save man and to forgive sins. If you'll put your faith and trust in Jesus Christ alone, in the death, the burial, the resurrection of Jesus, you can be saved. You can be forgiven of your sins and cleansed of your unrighteousness. And whatever shape you believe the earth is, isn't going to take you to heaven, isn't going to forgive your sins. Only Jesus can forgive your sins. Only Jesus can give you a home in heaven. Only Jesus can make you free. If the Son of Man shall make you free, you shall be free indeed. And that's our heart's desire for you. That's our ministry's desire. That's why we do things. That's why we do videos. We want you to be saved. We want you to be forgiven of your sins and cleansed of your unrighteousness. So if you are out there and you listen to this and you've listened all the way through, and it's a lot to listen to, if you've listened all the way through to this point and you're not saved, my friend, we beg you in Christ's name, be you reconciled unto God. We beg you that you would go to Christ Receive forgiveness of sins because you are guilty before God you have broken God's righteous law You have and God says that the law is preached that every mouth may be stopped and that all the world may become guilty before God and you are guilty man, and this God that upholds all things by the word of his power is Going to judge you one day and the Bible says in the books were opened and and those whose names were not found written in the Lamb's book of life were cast into the lake of fire for all of eternity. The Bible says, but the fearful, the unbelieving, the abominable, the murderers, the whoremongers, the sorcerers, the idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death. You're gonna die one day, for as appointed a man wants to die, and after this, the judgment. My friend, are you ready to meet your maker? The Bible says that the judge of all the earth shall do right. And he will judge you for your sins. But Jesus Christ came that you might have life and that you might have it more abundantly. If you'll repent and put your faith and trust in him, he'll forgive your sins, cleanse you, make you a new creature, and you'll serve him and live for him, and you'll live with him for all of eternity, and death will have no hold on you. but Christ will save you from your sins. I hope and trust that you'll repent and put your faith and trust in Jesus. Brother Jim, I don't know if you have anything to add about this, but I think it's been pretty clear. Yeah, I guess what we could do is just would want to point you to some resources, geocentricity.com, and Dr. Bell has a great book called Christianity in the Woodshed. Yep, right there. Oh, it's backwards, sorry. You can order it right there at geocentricity.com and there's just a lot of great resources there. You can also see some of his videos on YouTube, but I hope this has helped some people. We did our best to do it humbly and unfortunately it's a little out of character for both of us not to be goofing off and joking around and I hope we didn't bore you to death but I think we thoroughly covered the topic. You know we wanted to be sober with it we wanted to be extremely sober with it to try to help you and and to try it so it could not be used anything else could not be used of people that are easily offended so yeah amen you know that that's the purpose of it and we pray that it accomplishes that goal and you know we also pray that somebody would get saved amen amen through that so uh for brother jim it's pastor jason cooley for opbc online a ministry of old paths baptist church in northfield minnesota