I want to introduce you to a book that I would recommend. I don't know that you may have read this book. This is a book by Erwin Lutzer. You've heard his talk of Erwin Lutzer, pastor of Moody Bible Church, senior pastor up in Chicagoland. And he is on our board of reference. He's a friend of our ministry. He and his wife. But this one particular book is called The Serpent of Paradise. And it's the incredible story of how Satan's rebellion serves God's purposes. You heard the comment last night and a few times this week that who owns the devil? Whose devil is he? He's God. created being. God created him. He's on a chain. Sometimes the chain is a little longer than what we wish it was. I'm not quite as sure as how we would shorten that thing. But Satan's rebellion serves God's purposes and so it's a really nice little exposition of that very fact. The Serpent of Paradise, the incredible story of how Satan's rebellion serves God's purposes. And I'd encourage you to pick that up and read through that. It's published by Moody Press, of course. Erwin Lutzer. We have many resources out here that Jim wanted me to advertise, but I saw the stacks are growing. And that's great. that you guys are really availing yourself of the opportunity to pick up some materials to read here. One of the greatest dangers of coming to a conference like this and buying materials is they go back home, you put them on the shelf and, you know, five years later you go, hi, one of these days I want to sit down and read that book. I would encourage you to read through this material that you're getting in your syllabus, the books and the things that you're buying out here. Get some time to get through that material that will really equip you and help you. I would like to show you a quick illustration real quick before we take off into the steps to freedom. We're talking about this whole idea and concept of generational inequities. So what does that impact really mean in our lives? So let's just suppose, let's make this a little bit bigger. Let's suppose, there you are. Okay? And so you're kind of concerned about the iniquities of the forefathers being passed to the children. to the sons of third and fourth generations. And by the way, I don't think that's exclusive to male children. Okay? I believe that's to the children. And so we have up here mom and dad. Mom's having a bad hair day there. There, a little better. So we know mom and dad, most of us. Some don't. That's one of the dilemmas. But I don't know my forefathers. God does. God knows everything about your forefathers. He knows exactly what the enemy's using there. And then we get, well dad, you know, Chances are dad had a mom and dad. What do you think? Probably scientifically we might be able to prove that. Mom even had a mom and dad. Okay? And so then we can So we know mom and dad and we know grandma and grandpa on mom's side and grandma and grandpa on dad's side. But then, you know, we've got to remember that grandpa probably had a mom and dad on both sides. They didn't have the good hair conditioners back then. So you can't expect a lot. So here we are, one generation, two generations, three. But we still got another group of people up here that somehow is interconnected and related to my life. It's turning into a small community. This guy is really alienating me. So, here we are. Yes? Well, that's a good point. See, some things are genetic. Some things are genetic, but what we want to really focus on is what is spiritual here. Okay? Notice where all the bald heads are. Must be Fred's side of the family. Where is Fred? I told Fred to comb his hair before he came out here the other day. This illustration is pretty messy, but I really enjoy it because Now, I know my mom and dad personally. I do. And I know some of the struggles that my parents have struggled with from living around them and the stories that I used to hear about even their teenage years. And even now as an adult, I understand some of the struggles they faced even more in their life. I was fortunate to have known my mother's mother and father and my dad's mother and father. I knew both of them, both sets. And we were around them quite a bit. I knew my mother's Mother's dad this guy right here. I knew him And I didn't know any of the rest of these other people. I still well, I That's wrong. I know my dad's Yeah Mother's mother And I didn't know her very well. I just knew her by acquaintance and her name. And she was a Native American Indian. And I don't know anything about any of these people here. I mean, this is like a huge mystery. And most of these people are pretty mysterious to me as well. But, you know, the scripture says that I will visit the sins of the fathers on the third and fourth generations of those who hate me. I wonder what the possibility of somebody in this line or this line not really liking God. Maybe having an issue with their Creator. But I will send blessings to thousands who love me. So, what's the possibilities of some of these people here loving me? Mark tells that beautiful story of finding the heritage in the cemetery in Germany of his forefathers. He had a heritage of evidence that there's some in his lineage that loved the Lord. And I think on my end of things, there's probably a good chance that The haters outweighed the lovers of the Lord. And the generational iniquities will come down to the first generation, to the second, to the third, to the fourth. And then this iniquities here will come down. And this will come down. And then down. And this will come down. It kind of gets pretty involved, especially when you start talking about all the paths it's going to take to get there. And this is why we really feel that this is such a major issue in people's lives. We don't know what's coming, what's happening. God does. And so when we deal with the steps to freedom, I oftentimes want this to be the very first place I start. This is the place I really want to come right into in the beginning. I've talked to many others. Mark and a lot of other folks like to hold this one to the end. I think a lot of it's because that's where Neil Anderson put it in his book at the end, but I'm not really sure about that. So, tonight what I want to do is to be able to take you through this. How many of you have familiarity with this? We can get the answer. A lot of you do. Raise your hands again, the ones that are familiar with this. How many have worked through this in your own life? How many have used this in ministering to other people? Well, this is going to be old hat for some of you, but we kind of approach it in a little different thing. One of the things I want you to know how I handle this, this is a tool. If I was a carpenter and I had a toolbox, that I brought in here was going to do some work on this podium. Several things that might be in it, like a hammer, maybe a little hand saw. There's going to be a tape measure. And I'm not going to be able to build it or do much work on this with either one of those tools all by itself. I'm probably going to have to use the saw to cut something up. I'm going to use the hammer to put things in the right place and nail it in. I'm going to use the tape measure to get the dimensions right. And this is just, this is kind of like my tape measure. It's a tool. And I'm not going to build the whole house with it. But it is one of the basic tools that I carry and use when I'm dealing with people. This is an inventory. Helps me inventory what's going on. somebody's life. And this is really the foundation of what we do here at ICBC of Texas. We use this as a foundational tool. And if someone has been exposed to the steps of freedom in Christ and they've gone through those things, we ask a few questions to see just exactly what they did accomplish, how they accomplished it. Or I attended a seminar and we went through it. And well, how long did you do that in? Oh, we did that in an hour and a half at Big Sandy. That's not going through this, folks, in an hour and a half. I'll spend 15 to 20 hours sometimes going through this with somebody. But what I want to do is just kind of introduce you to it for those of you that don't know it. And for those of you who do, just kind of show you how I might use different parts of it. And how we would kind of integrate that. One of the things I want to accomplish when I sit down with someone is to hear their story. Sometimes that can take a whole day. Sometimes that can take three to four hours, five hours. And to find out what is really burdening their heart. If there's something converting them to make the phone call and say, Mr. Allison, I'd like to come and see if I can make an appointment to see you. I've got some things I need to deal with. And so there's some issues that they understand they have. They may not know what they are, or they may have a presenting issue that they think they've got identified, and it may not be their problem at all. It's just a manifestation of what is really going on underneath. So I want to hear them, and I want to listen to them. When we start a session with someone, I always want to start that session with prayer. I want to start it with a prayer of submission to God. I want to submit our time to God. I want to submit my life to Him again, even though maybe I've had a good quiet time that morning. I am going to resubmit myself in, bring myself back under Him, and verbally put myself under the Lordship of Christ. and under His blood, thanking Him for that. Acknowledging my union with Him, thanking Him for the fact that I am raised up and seated with Him in heavenly places. Then I want to ask the Lord to protect us and put that belt of truth on me. Firmly. I like what Tim Warner, he may have said this this week, I missed a lot of the sessions here. Remember I'm saying, I never take it off. I don't take off my armor. Well, I don't necessarily take my armor off either. But I do necessarily every morning reaffirm that I got a hold of it. Maybe it fell off in the night or something. I just want to make sure the enemy knows I am affirming ownership of the Lord Jesus Christ. The armor of God is putting on the Lord Jesus Christ. It says put on the Lord Jesus Christ. Put off the old. Put on the new. So what I will do is I will verbally pray through the armor. Thank you Lord for the belt of truth. And we just ask that it be firmly clasped around our loins. Lord, thank you that you are the person of truth. Thank you for the word of truth. Thank you Holy Spirit that you lead us into the truth. We just ask that that be firmly put in place and then that breastplate of righteousness, the sandals of the gospel of peace. And that's a good place to thank God for the peace that he gives us with himself. The peace that Jesus Christ purchased for us and leaves with us. And then I ask that The Lord would grant during our time together that this individual could come to a place of peace with themselves. With them. I think that's important. And so then we move from there to lifting up the shield of faith. And it says it's like it extinguishes all the flaming firing missiles of the evil one. I ask the Lord to just surround me with that shield. Instead of me trying to figure out where to put it. I ask Him to encapsulate me like a horse shield. They didn't know what a horse shield was. They hadn't seen Star Wars. But, you know, I really want to be surrounded by this protective shield of God. And I'm asking Him to protect me with it because it is It's that shield of faith of the promises I believe in, of the truths that I choose to believe. And so then I ask that the helmet of salvation be placed upon my head, that great salvation that frees my mind from the slavery and the yoke of the enemy, that he would protect my mind, that I would have wisdom and discernment and understanding, that I could think clearly, that they could think clearly, that confusion and cloudiness anxiety that God would subdue that and that we could have the mind of Christ. I ask that we could be protected in our hearing so that we could hear God, hear his voice. So many people are so afraid of hearing God. I can't hear God. I don't believe, I know we can hear God. We just need to ask him to open our ears so that we can hear him. And to dull our ears to the hearing, dull our minds to hearing the voice of the enemy. But let us be quick to hear you, O Lord. And then I pick up the sword of the Spirit, and I ask that the Holy Spirit would give me the strength to wield it in His might. And that sword of the Spirit, that double-edged sword, that He would use it first and foremost to judge the thoughts and intentions of our hearts, of my heart, of the person I'm sitting with. Then I ask the Lord to put a hedge of protection around us. I ask Him to cut off any interference from the enemy whatsoever. I ask Him to bring the blood of the Lord Jesus Christ up against any curses, any hexes, any spells, any incantations, Any schemes of the enemy that's placed against this person's life, or our ministry, or my life. That he would completely set the enemy aside and bind the strong man in this person's life. I ask that God would bind the forces of darkness that have worked against this person. That if there's any evil spirits or evil entities attached to this person, for whatever reason it may be, I ask God right there that he would change it. he would gag them and mute them. I even go as far as to ask if he would hood them and just push them aside and render them totally ineffective. So that we can deal with the work of evil, the work of darkness that's been perpetrated against God's children. And often times when we're praying this prayer, I ask God to surround us with His warring spirits, His angels, angels of His righteousness, and that He would dispatch to us those angelic messengers of comfort, of ministry, And that he would have those standing by to escort and lead out any spirits of darkness that would be dispatched away from this time that we're having. And then we just thank him for his presence and his faithfulness. And I think that we need to learn how to be thorough in praying before we even begin a session. Well, let me pray. Father, I do thank you for the privilege of being here tonight with these. Lord, that we have just discussed this importance of joining you in prayer, inviting you to our presence, bringing you, Lord Jesus, as a wonderful counselor with us, that we might be with you, that we might join together in your ministry, in your work in an individual's life. in your will and your purpose and design. So I would ask that God, you would bless our time here this evening as we go through this material. I pray that it would refresh those that know it, but Lord, that you would use it in the lives of any that might be here that you want to speak to, that you would equip them, give them confidence in the use of a tool. Thank you for Freedom in Christ Ministries. I thank you for Neil Anderson, Lord, for how you have just worked in his life encouraging him to be so prolific with his pen and writing. Father, we just thank you for men that you raise up in the church. Thank you for the men that we've had here this week, for Fred, Mark, and Kim, and thank you for Elaine and her ministry. Be with her as she's transitioning now to Dallas to minister to those ladies over Father we commit this time here to you tonight and ask your blessing upon your protection in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. So once I've gone through that time of praying and protecting, then I start talking to the individuals about the aspects, very basic principles of how the enemy interferes in our life. How does he most commonly interfere? in our mind, in our thinking. Not everybody's aware of that. Try not to make any assumptions. One of the things I enjoy asking right at the beginning is the old evangelism explosion question. If you were to die tonight, and you stood before a holy God, and he said, why should I let you into my kingdom, what would you tell him? That's a great question right at the very beginning of your time with someone. We often times assume everybody is saved and going up to heaven. Or they have a good handle of their salvation or their assurance or where they stand. The majority of people are confused about that issue. A large percentage of them. I've had a huge varying degree of answers. And it's encouraging to my soul when you get that right answer. And the right answer, you know, the one that says that because of the work and because of what Jesus Christ did, because of the forgiveness of my sin in Christ, because of your son. And there is no other name under heaven by which any man will ever be saved. And I have you be surprised how many folks that are, quote, Christians. I don't know what I think. I'm not sure. Well then, I back up immediately. I don't even open this. Because then I want to talk about the gospel. I want to talk about the good news. And I want to clarify what Jesus Christ has accomplished for our lives in His coming, in His death, in His burial, in His resurrection. Because you know what? There's no healing outside of that. There's nothing that I can say or help them with in their life other than that very thing right there. Because that's the beginning of all healing. It is redemption. It is that thing that Jesus said that Nicodemus, unless a man is born again, he cannot even let alone enter it. So, we want to clarify right in the beginning that there is a sense of ownership as a child of God. Then I will speak about how the enemy attacks us in our mind and how we can be affronted, how we begin to give up a place to the enemy. Ephesians talks about that we should not let the sun go down on our anger, thereby giving place to the devil, thereby giving opportunity to the devil, giving him a foothold. And the whole picture there is us opening the door, the back gate being opened, an opportunity for the enemy against a believer, against someone who's saved, who's eternally in the hands of the Lord Jesus Christ. The enemy gets an opportunity. That's what Paul was warning them about. Don't give him place or an opportunity. When we do, He's going to take advantage of it and how he builds strongholds in our lives on that place. How he torments us from that place. So we'll spend time talking about those issues of surrendering ground, the battlefield of the mind and surrendering ground. Then once we've done that and there's a consensus of understanding on those issues, And I'll begin to explain to them what we want to accomplish this week is find out where that ground is. Where have we surrendered? Where have we opened the door? Where has the enemy had an opportunity to steal our joy? To destroy our effectiveness. Maybe even bring us to the brink of destruction. So then we will want to work towards trying to uncover any place. Well, the first place I want to go is the one place we don't look the most, and that's that generational place. The ground that our forefathers surrendered. The one that we didn't even partake in. The one that we just kind of got delegated to us. The iniquities of the fathers on the sons of the third and fourth generation. So, after spending some time with them, kind of clarifying some of the basics there, I'll have them open this book over to page 20. A lot of times I'll ask them if they would like to read it out loud. If they say they'd prefer not to read it out loud, then I will read it out loud. I'll just ask them to follow along. But I'll read the little clarification there on page 20, under Curses vs. Blessings, where it talks about the iniquities of one generation being visited on the third and fourth generation. God's blessing has been poured out on thousands of generations. I'll go through this little illustration, possibly, about every time. And I'll skip the little prayer and talk about the importance of us dealing with these issues. They're not responsible for what their forefathers did. And we'll talk about generational inequity and how I understand that. Then I will ask them to take some time and get quiet with the Lord and pray, asking God to reveal to their mind the iniquity of their forefathers. That's a pretty simple thing to ask. I'm telling you, the enemy is just like all over the place, even if you bind him. He is not wanting them to pray anything. So sometimes I'll just have to, you can see there's some distraught or nervousness. I'll just pray, Lord, will you just please quiet them? Let your peace rule here. This person's heart, mind, body, spirit, and their soul. And I'll tell them, you know, point out that, you know, there's a prayer that's written here. And why don't you just pray that? So a lot of I'd say probably 90% of the people I said would prefer to read the written prayer. When I first started doing this, I thought reading the written prayers, boy, that just sounds like, whoo, out there. Didn't sound too evangelical to me. And I had a problem with it until I started dealing with my own issues. How do I do this guy? I really found great encouragement in having a guide direction on how to approach the throne about these issues. Now I've even gotten so bad I've even written out a few prayers to help people with it. But it has helped me. So I encourage them just to read it. And I really want to, when I'm in the beginning, I want them to understand that they can go through the motions on this, they can do this, but they don't need to do it for me because I feel good about God. They don't need to try to make me happy, I like them anyway. I'm glad they're there. They don't need to try to impress me by praying something that has no meaning to them. Because they're there to have an encounter with God, not me. And unless they come with a heart to want to encounter Him, and embrace Him, and choose Him, then they probably need to pack up and go home. Or get on with something else. Because they need to be there. And so I warned them about this religious rope. It's just don't pray things to pray things. Let it swell up within you. Take ownership of what you're praying. Lift it to the heaven. Put it before the throne. Let God take it. Sometimes I'll even remind them of the confidence that we have in answered prayer. such as John talks about in 1 John, which says, and this is the confidence that we have before Him, that if we ask anything according to His will, we know that He hears us. And if we know that He hears us, we know we have the request that we've asked of Him. It's important they understand that there's assurances that they can have that God is listening and He's interested. So then I'll have them pray. Lord, please reveal to my mind all the sins of my ancestors or my forefathers that have been passed down through family and life. And I have them get a piece of paper. And I said, wait, I'll tell them. When you ask God to reveal this to your mind, we found the enemy, whatever comes up, you start writing it down. You make a list. One of the things I like to do is I have made a chart. of the sins of the flesh, of the deeds of the flesh. It's talked about in four different passages in scripture in the New Testament. And then I've added just kind of a list of amplified words underneath that to touch and tag on things that we get tripped up in. And I give them that so that they can get their mind out of a rut. begin to start identifying and looking. A lot of the deeds of the flesh that we take ownership in in our flesh, I think are ancestral weaknesses at times too. So, that kind of gets them thinking as they look at that list. Nine times out of ten they say, well what's this word mean? What's this word mean? I'm not sure about this word. Be ready, be prepared if you don't know what the word means. I have a dictionary close by so you can help them look it up. But you want to give them some tools to move forward and they need to be prepared to write down or check, put a check by anything that God gives them a direction on and not argue with him. They just ask him to reveal their mind and God will give them something to say, oh no, surely not. They just need to write it down. And then after they get their list made, which I give them all the time they need to do that. So I'll tell them, okay. You know, they may want to talk about some of it. They may not know. Let me tell you what happened in class we had like this a couple years ago. We were doing this great thing. And we worked through it. We had more time than just an hour and a half. And so I had them do this exercise. And then I had some of the people stand up and share just some of the things that they didn't mind sharing, some of the things on their list. One guy, he said, well, you know, I don't have a list. OK. He says, I kind of got some images. OK. I was so glad he said that. I never even thought about it. might have images. Some people are more image-oriented than they are word-oriented. I'm not very image-oriented. I'm more word-oriented. So I said, well, do you think you feel comfortable sharing what some of the images are? He said, I don't understand it. I don't know what they mean. I said, OK. So what do you see? He says, well, I see a shovel. OK. You know, and I see this, looks like a triangle. Okay, what else you see? He said, I see this eye. I said, okay. And so, you know, I said, well, what do you think's going on here? He said, well, I see this other thing, kind of like those scales that they use to balance things in. Wait. I said, anybody got any ideas? And so I asked him in class, what do you think God's talking to him about here? So I said, somebody in his forefathers has been involved in masonry. Pre-masonry. And he goes, oh yeah. That's something I need to pray about? And that's what God was showing him through these visions. And so, right there in class, you know, He got a little concerned about that because it had to do with some really dear lovers. And he prayed through that. I mean, it was quite an experience for him. Just from him asking God to reveal to his mind. And that's what he got. So, don't put people in a box. Let God speak to them. We don't want to make their list. If you're working with a couple, I separate them. Because inedibly, one of them will say, what? What's your list? You don't have this on your list? You and your mother. No, it's your dad. And I mean, whoa, he can get out of control pretty quick. So it's just going to give us a space. Just they don't look at each other's list right away. Because we want God to be speaking to them, not each other, not the ideas of man. Listen to the Lord. Then I have them pray through it. I have them pray, Lord, I renounce. I actually have them kind of, why don't you just renounce and reject and acknowledge it? You're confessing. as much as you know what the sins of your forefathers are and that you want nothing to do with this and you renounce this, you reject it and ask that the Father would bring the blood of the Lord Jesus Christ right up against that right now and cut it off and that you proclaim Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior and you will have nothing to do with it the curses, the iniquities of your forefathers because of the work of these curses. And then I have something that I'm really probably pretty dogmatic about. If you look in your manuals, to section 0. I pulled up short with you today on the last page of my notes there. 08. You see a little prayer there. Prayer to reclaim surrendered ground and destroy enemy strongholds. I'm really dogmatic about this folks. I think this is where we really fall short on dealing with issues in our life. Lord, I forgive Tom for what he did. Well, maybe we've forgiven him, maybe we haven't. One thing's for sure, if we've been carrying that unforgiveness for a while, the enemy's had a place, an opportunity to gain ground, and we haven't dealt with that at all. This is just kind of speculation. Okay? There's no solid evidence of this conjecture, but I can just imagine the enemy saying, oh, we gotta go, he just forgave that guy, we gotta leave him alone, we can't torment him anymore over that thing that the guy did. He said, oh no, we still got it right here. We still got the ground. We're not going anywhere. And, uh, So I'm pretty dogmatic about this, and I encourage you to take back the ground. A lot of my friends would say, ask God to take back the ground. The real issue is, is if there's anything going to be accomplished in my life spiritually, it's going to be accomplished by the power and authority of the Lord Jesus Christ, period, period, period. But I want to make a verbal acknowledgement that I agree that this ground needs to be taken back. No. No. Father, I take back the ground I surrendered. I take back the ground I surrendered in the area of whatever it is. And I ask you to tear down the stronghold built by the enemy on this ground. Sweep away all of the debris. You know, I envision a stronghold as a fortress that the enemy hides in, hides behind, torments me from. And I want it swept clean, clear, and get it all out. And then I ask you to cover this ground in the cleansing blood of the Lord Jesus Christ, in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, I pray, amen. Now, the next step for me, personally, is after I've taken back the ground, I've recognized that I had given it, and I've asked God to destroy this place of hiding, I step down to the next one, the Declaration of Eviction. The two of them go together. By the authority I have in the true and living Lord Jesus Christ, I command any evil spirit or evil entity attached to this ground I just reclaimed or stronghold just destroyed to leave me now, go to the place where the Lord Jesus Christ was sent to. Actually, I've updated that with Fred's direction. I asked them to leave me now, escorted by God's holy angels, to the place where the Lord Jesus Christ is sent. Fred said, Bob, that's like the judge telling the guy that just got sentenced to go out of the courtroom, go across the street, and hand himself over to the jailer. He'll say, OK, your honor, I'm on my way. He doesn't get the bail up bail up. That's what this guy does He's placed incarceration So we asked the Lord to escort them with his angels I Am really dogmatic here take back the ground and then evict so when they finished praying through and renouncing their list of the sins of their forefathers, I have them come right here. And I have this printed out and hand it to them and have them pray through it. Father, I take back the ground, not that I surrendered, but my forefathers surrendered in the areas of their list. And cremation might be a part of that. Suicide might be a part of that. Abandonment. immorality, lying, gambling, whatever it is God chose them. And I ask you to tear down the stronghold built by the enemy on this ground and to sweep away all of the debris. And I ask you to cover this ground in the cleansing blood of the Lord Jesus Christ in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. Amen. Now, folks, we're trying to disciple here. We're trying to train. We're not trying to come up with magic mantras of prayer. Okay? That's not my purpose here. That's not Mark's purpose in writing his doctrinal prayers. We're trying to disciple you on how to just get things done in a very legal procedure. I dealt with a lawyer one time and I asked him if I could share this and he gave me permission to do that. In fact, I try not to share anything I don't have permission to share. I'm not going to tell you who he is or where he is or anything because he's a lawyer. I've told you enough. He was highly demonized. And so we was working through ground all for hours and hours and hours and hours and hours working through lots of ground that he was finding. And he was so concerned about the fact that he knew he was tormented after he renounced or confessed or forsake. or forgive or whatever it was. He'd say, by the authority I have in Jesus Christ, I command you to leave me now. And he was just, I couldn't hardly slow him down. And he just, get out of me, leave me. And Lord, just tear down the strongholds. I take back the ground. And he's just throwing his stuff out there. And we spent 20 hours going through a lot of stuff. And at the end of a weekend, And I'd say, how you doing? How do you feel? And so I've got a place where I'll pray, Lord, if we don't want to be deceived, if we've really accomplished your will in this person's life, let your peace just permeate their heart and their soul right now. God, if there's anything that's not right here or not done, will you just put a heaviness in their heart? And I'd look up and he'd be going, huh. I'd say, what's up? Something's wrong. And I said, okay, let's just check and let's test. And so I would test the spirit and there'd be an evil spirit there. And I'd ask the evil spirit, well, how many are left? Whoa, we got some numbers. And so I'd ask the spirit, so how many have ground? And they wouldn't answer. I said, what do you think is going on here? And he said, I don't know. I said, here's what I think is going on. They're liars. That's what I think. And I think they don't play by rules and fair things. They're only held by one thing, and that's the Lord Jesus Christ. There's no getting around Him. But I said, it's kind of like if you go to the court of law, is there a particular procedure You have to do legally, go through different procedures. And he said, there is a legal procedure in dealing with the courts and dealing with his practice. And he said, if I violate any of that, I'll get thrown out of court. I may be, we may have every right to be there, but if I violate the legal procedure, I'm out. I said, well, Maybe it's possible if we violate a procedure here, they're not going to leave. And I said, you're trying to evict them when they still have ground. He didn't take back the ground. It's just a technicality, a somatic thing maybe. He says, but I did. I said, well, you did and you didn't. You told them to leave. They probably said, oh, we got to leave. And then, oh, but we have a right here. We have the ground. Oh, but he just took back the ground. Oh, he thinks we're gone. We're not leaving. So why don't you just take back the ground and ask God to tear down the stronghold and then tell him. So he just went back and he just said, you know, Lord, all the things I prayed about this weekend, I've been so concerned, God, about these tormentors. God, I really want the ground taken back. And I want it done in a way that is honoring to you. And so he took back the ground and tore down the strongholds, put it under the ownership of Christ where it belonged, who purchased it. And then he commanded them to leave. Then we prayed that same prayer, Lord, if we've accomplished your will in this life and we don't want to be deceived, would you let your peace And man, his radiance was completely changed, different. His radiance glowed and he had the peace of the Lord. So, I don't know if that's like with everybody's conjecture on my part. But I just, I prefer the legal precedence and procedure of taking back the ground first and dealing with the straw hole, putting it back under the ownership of Christ and then the jigs up time, tell them to leave. No more tormenting. No more harassing. Leave. So that's what led us to really write this out. Any questions about that? Taking background? Yes. Right. Yeah. That's right. You've always got to hold up the authority of the Lord Jesus Christ. That's correct. That's correct. Now, let's go back to the steps. We've only covered one. See, this is really a challenge for me to try to walk you through this. As an introductory thing in an hour and a half when I spend somewhere 20 15 to 20 hours in this thing So where do I go from here? This is where I always start. I I just I have finally got to the place, right? I said I Just a more comfortable dealing with ancestral issues first and that's my personal preference now You folks pray about what you want to do and how you want to do it and you won't hurt my feelings on how you do that once we pray through The renunciation is in the ground. I have them read through the declaration that's written here on page 20 and the prayer. I think it's just really a great declaration. I here now reject and disown all the sins of my ancestors as one who has been delivered from the domain of darkness and transferred into the kingdom of God's Son. I declare myself to be free from those harmful influences. I am no longer an Adam. I am now alive in Christ. Therefore, I am a reciprocate of the blessings of God upon my life as I choose to love and obey him. And it's just a great affirmation of surrender. I reject any and every way in which Satan may claim ownership of me. I belong to the Lord Jesus Christ who purchased me with his own precious blood. I declare myself to be fully and eternally signed over and committed to the Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore, having submitted to God and his authority, I now resist the devil. I command every spiritual enemy of the Lord Jesus Christ to leave my presence. I put on the armor of God and stand against Satan's temptations, accusations, and deceptions. From this day forward, I will seek to do only the will of my Heavenly Father." I love that. I think it's a great affirmation and declaration. So I ask them to work through that. Now, the next place I'm going to go is most likely going to be in the area that God has allowed me to perceive or discern that they're really struggling. Is it forgiveness? Is there bitterness? Are there hurts and wounds there? If that's the case, I will go to forgiveness. If they're dealing with pornography, sexual issues, I will go to bondages. Well, it's kind of as you're listening to their story, taking notes and trying to discern what's going on here. I always ask God to give me an ability to discern, understanding, wisdom, discernment. God is really faithful to do those things that allow us to see that. And then I will, you know, if they've been involved in Counterfeit religious experiences, you know, like false religious or false teaching. I'll start there. I actually have a form that we give to people to try to fill out. It's a little questionnaire and Jim Logan actually developed it, used it up in Iowa, and he still uses it. I just haven't had time to mess with it, so I take his. A very good friend of mine, Dr. Joe Albright, Houston, has one that's 18 pages long, and he's revising it. Had it close to 25 pages last time I talked to him. And, you know, I used that a couple times with his permission, and boy, you know, that just scares some people away. And so the one I send out is about four pages. and you just kind of check things off, I'm still probably going to try to find some compromise between Dr. Albright's and one we use. No, there's not. But if you remind me, I'll try to get you a copy of that. If you get my email address, I will see you get a copy. Let me give you my email address. That's the best way to do it. Okay, that is B, A-L-L-I-S-O-N, the number one, the numeral one. Oh. Boy, did I goof that up, huh? That's F, E, that's an Edward, V is a Victor, numeral one, I had that dot net Be Allison one at Ev one dot net And I'd be glad to email that to you. It's on my computer. I can do that really quick that way Anybody need that okay? so Let's run over to and I'll do the same procedure in every area. We're going to read, we're going to read the, the pipe explanations, talk about, find areas of deception, areas of counterfeit religious experiences where I've I've fallen into false teachings where I've embraced things that are wrong. And then, Lord, would you reveal to my mind anyone I need to forgive? Let's look at forgiveness on page 11. We go through this from stem to stern because this just has a great little excerpt of teaching on forgiveness. It's really plain and clear and concise. And after we read through it, I'll come back and I will highlight it in the bold printing on page 11 and 12. And remind them, forgiveness is not forgetting. Forgiveness is a choice. It's a decision of your will. that's agreeing to live with the consequences of another person's sin. And that we need to forgive from our hearts. And forgiveness is choosing not to hold someone's sin against him or her anymore. And we don't wait until we feel like forgiving. We're commanded to forgive. And so I go over and review all of this to make sure they understand. I almost always will go to Matthew 18. Read and talk through the unmerciful servant Because that is a huge illustration that Jesus gave us about why we should forgive Because at the end of it after this Servant who was unmerciful had been handed by his master over to the tormentors Jesus said so shall my father do unto you if you do not forgive from your heart That's pretty strong. And then we'll ask him, Lord, will you just reveal in my mind anyone I need to forgive? And I tell him, I want you to, I just want you to listen to the Lord. You might even want to go back from your earliest memories and start walking forward. Don't limit yourself to what happened yesterday or this week. by the most recent heard. And I give them lots of space here, lots of time, because I want them to really hear the Lord. And that's really interesting. Sometimes there'll be four or five names that they'll get, and I'll ask them, whenever God gives you the name, just write it down. Don't argue with Him. You may not remember the name, but you could just write down something to remind you of the place or the person. The guy that hit my car at Walmart. You'll know. You may not know the name, but you know where the hurt is or where the unforgiveness is. I'll give them plenty of time. Well, that's a good question. That's an excellent question. How do we know when we're really forgiven? What she was saying, for those of you that might not have heard that, that she struggled with. When do I know I've forgiven? I've forgiven and I've forgiven, but sometimes I don't want to see them. I don't want to be around them. And you're going to hear a lot about that tomorrow when we talk about soul ties. Because sometimes we have a negative soul tie there that's attached with that unforgiveness. And it's a... Well, we'll get into that tomorrow. Another reason is, possibly, that there's still ground. That you surrendered there and your unforgiveness hasn't been dealt with and the enemy's still tormenting you. The king says you're forgiven, but you know, the enemy's still playing with you and tormenting you because you haven't dealt with the ground. What person you forgiven what? Isn't trustworthy? What about it? Maybe. I mean that could be right. I mean forgiving doesn't mean I want to be losing buddies with them. Maybe. Or even take them into my circle of confidence. That doesn't mean that has to fail. But there's a difference between an emotional, don't want to see this, you know. You know, the name comes up, you go, oh. Or, you know, you're walking in the grocery store. I hope I don't run into them today. You know, get through here quick. Oh, no, I hear their voice over there. I'll come back and get this later. You know, that's different. That happens. OK, so then, after they get their list, listen. Don't be surprised. I've seen guys and gals come up with these legal pads with lists and free columns on two to three sheets. And you're thinking, boy, are we going to be here a while. Well, that's why you're here. That's why you're there. This is not. You know, a quick fix time, this is, we're wanting to see some permanent trans, I'm having a hard time with my word here. Transformation, thank you. You knew what I was looking for. We want to see a permanent transformation in their lives. Yeah. All right. It's tough. Really tough. I probably wouldn't have given them an appointment if they didn't want to be there. I mean, how did they end up there if they didn't want to be there? Well, then give it a shot. Don't use your gun, but give it a shot. I mean, no, seriously, and this is a criteria we'll talk about tomorrow, but it's really important that someone you're seeing says, I want help. It's always, out of 10 calls, seven or eight of them are saying, will you help this person? Will you fix my wife? Will you fix my husband? Will you fix my child? And what I tell them is, yeah, sure, we'll be glad to work with them and see what the Lord wants to do with them and ask the Lord to help them. But I have them call me and tell me I want to hear that from them that they want help. But they're not going to do that. Guess what? I have no magic here. I'm no make you happy guru. So I can't do that. And If they don't want to be there, they're wasting the time that somebody that wants to be there could be there. So, we're losing some valuable opportunity there to be ministering in front of the right people. So I really try to get that clarified. And I've made plenty of mistakes like that. Getting people there that didn't want to be there. Allowing it to happen. Friends. Associates. Trying to help them with their children. But the ones that want to be there, we separate them, husband and wife. I mean, we've had them like that. You know? Better have one come in the front door and one in the back. You know, space. We run them into different offices. My wife will take the woman and work with her down in her office and I'll sit with the man. You know if they want to sit there and start talking about all of you know, well, you know You just understand what I have to live with it put up with it. Well, we're not talking about her We're talking about you and your relationship to God We'll focus it right there Lord reveal to my mind Who I need to forgive I'm not asking you to ask God to reveal to her mind We want you to concentrate on what God wants to speak to you about Years ago as a pastor, I discovered that marriage counseling is just not really my strength Because it is dangerous it is refereeing and it's just who can yell the loudest and argue the hardest and I just don't see God in that I in that kind of Environment what I have found these Really highly successful is helping them unpackage and deal with their personal issues And getting them resolved finding where the enemy has approached upon their soul And once that's resolved there's this transformation there's a change and they're they're getting back in touch with the one who brings healing and Then we can bring them together and there's this there's a whole new framework for them to work with him. We've had countless people call him. This is the last stop. That lawyer I told you about, he was the last stop with us. And God transformed his life and his marriage. So that's how we approach that. And then once we get the list made on forgiveness, I'll ask them to, I'll give them, I have another word list of emotional pain words. And this is a great tool. Women can really identify their emotional feeling a lot easier. Because what we want them to do is identify how something made them feel. Lord, I choose to forgive this person for what they did because it made me feel. That's really important. But you know what? Guys just don't even care. Or I choose to forgive Tom. How did it make you feel? It made me mad. Guys either want to kiss him or make him bleed. Well, that's how guys are emotionally structured. Either they're going to love you to death, or they're going to meet you on the battlefield. Most guys just, you know. But you know, really, there's a deception there, because they have the same emotional life that women have, in a sense, not the same. But they have emotions, and a wide range of emotions. But they just get them slurred. I think they get out of control faster than women. But Lord, I choose to forgive Tom for what he did because it made me feel used. It made me feel, I felt rejected by him. But Lord, I choose to forgive this person for what they did because it made me feel dirty, worthless. How did it make you feel? So I have a whole list of what we'll call emotional pain words. And for guys, it's a really great tool, because they can, yeah, that's it. And they can see it. And when you get there, you're real. And so I had one guy that started to, oh yeah, I felt that back there. That's why I just watched even so he started going right down the door. Here's how many got the way If you really feel all that I think I'm not sure so I just cover them all I Said hey, we're not just doing an exercise here, okay? I Want you pray better? How'd you lose? He didn't really want to get real He's just gonna do it That's that's that's not what it means So I am really encourage them here to get real with their emotion Get it up there lift it up to the Lord and listen. I've seen some guys really have difficulty with that When they touch it it hurts It reminds them And then when the then when they choose to forgive there's some real releasing it Lord, I choose to forgive and I choose not to hold on to my resentment and I relinquish my right to seek any revenge. And I ask you to heal my damaged emotions here. That's what we're talking about. These pain words that identify our damaged emotions. Lord, would you heal that? Would you touch that? And then, I have them pull out their little sheet that I give them that says, Father, I choose to take back the ground. I take back the ground I surrendered in unforgiveness towards Tom. And I ask you to tear down the stronghold built by the enemy on this ground. And I have them go through that. And I have them go through that eviction. By the authority I have in the true and living Lord Jesus Christ, I command any evil spirit attached to that ground I just took back or that stronghold just destroyed to leave me now. escorted by God's holy angels to the place where the Lord Jesus Christ is going to be. Oftentimes that is all the enemy confrontation that we have to do. Because he's bound. The ground's gone. The issue's been confessed and renounced and forgiven. And so we'll continue to move through that. And I have them do that on forgiveness on each name. Each name. None of this large you see this list here, and I just asked that you would heal it now I Want them to be specific and deal with each one Yes, thank you, it's even in part of the reading and when you read in this material here on the first column That he says on that right under the paragraph dealing with the prayer here on page 11, he says, write myself at the bottom of your list. I'm really glad you said that. That's really important. I'm glad you mentioned that. I always ask them to pray, Lord, is there anything I'm holding against myself? Most of the time, they don't even like themselves. So, I'd like you to pray about that. Well, I don't know. Sometimes that's the hardest one to forgive, is themselves. And I mean, and get that emotion in there. Lord, I just forgive myself for doing this. Here's how it made me feel. That hurt. How we even hurt our own selves. And then, Lord, I forgive you. God didn't do anything wrong, but sometimes we don't understand the circumstances of life. Why did you let it happen? Why didn't you stop it? Lord, I just let go of that right now. That's a great point, thank you. Yeah. And that's really, that's a good point. Identifying what lie may be laying right there. What lie might be lying there beside that hurt. Because oftentimes that's what the enemy does in a hurt. He encases it with a lie. Well, she said that she'll oftentimes ask people to not only identify their pain, their emotion, but what lie is there in anything. Is there a lie there that you're believing? Because oftentimes that pain says, I'm dirty. I'm worthless. I felt worthless. I felt rejected. Well, were you really rejected? Are you rejected? And what's the truth? God says I'm precious. I'm clean. But for what? I think anytime we find a lie, I think it's always good to renounce it. Lord, I confess I believe this lie. I see it now. I've had ownership in this and I've embraced it. And it's affected my thinking and my life. And I renounce it. I let go of it. I give it to you. I choose not to believe this. I choose your truth in place of this. That's really good, thank you. That's good. I think confessing is forgiveness. I think, you know, the passage tells us in 1 John 1, 9, if we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. I don't really see this. we just come up and say, Lord will you forgive me, forgive me, forgive me. We do that, but the idea is acknowledging that I participated in what was wrong. Confessing it. I did it. That's good. That's a good point. I need to add that in. I want you to look over at page 13. Tool and in every one of these steps that we go through I am really thorough I go for thoroughness That's why I take 15 or 20 hours That's sometimes sometimes. It's only five or six hours But I want to make sure that we're being let's see that's what this is it's a kind of a it's just an inventory This accomplishes nothing in their life. This is not a magic formula do these steps and you'll be free for the rest of your life. It's an inventory to help us begin to start praying and asking the Lord where is the enemy? Where have I believed a lie? Where have I been deceived? But on page 13 the whole exercise of the steps of freedom are insignificant compared to this to me. I think this is one of the most powerful little pages to work with individuals on. Because one of the basic problems we have is the enemy's deceptions of who God is. Our misconceptions of who God is. So we look down through this list and have you ever felt like or have you ever believed that God is disinterested in your life? Or that He's insensitive and uncaring? Or that He's stern and demanding or passive and cold or absent or too busy or impatient, angry and rejecting and on and on and on and on. And then we look at the truths. What's the scriptures tell us? I'll open up Psalms 139 often times and read it to them. It's an awesome passage of scripture. It talks about God's intimacy with me. The verse in there says, the thoughts that you have before me, if they were numbered, outnumber the grains of sand. There's a lot of thinking about me. By God. Because I know you're sitting down, you're rising up, you're going in, you're going out. I know the words that are going to come up out of your mouth before you say one of them. I know the days that I have ordained for you before you've even had one day. I've had them written in my book. For you're fearfully and wonderfully made. So, I assign this as an assignment, particularly to men. Because I think one of the heartbeats of God is that we know who our father is. I think one of the heartbeats of children is that they have a father that they can know in their home. A good father, a godly father, a Christ-centered father. So I will ask them to take one of these a week. Maybe they just want to work down the list. Maybe they want to look and see where they believe lies and start there. The one that they believed in the most. And then, every morning, get up, read that passage of scripture. Ask God before you read it. Lord, will you show me in this scripture how you are intimate and involved in my life as I read Psalm 139. And then, just write down a few thoughts every day about that. for a week. And then every morning as you're leaving, Lord, will you show me today, as I'm going through my day, how you are intimate and involved in my life. Will you allow me to see that experientially this day? Take note of it. And then as you go home, God, will you give me the grace to be able to share with my family how I've seen you and your intimacy in my life today. And would you allow me to be intimate and involved with my wife and my children, even though I'm tired of being restricted? Will you let me be a mirror of what I've seen you as, in truth? What would America be like if we had dads that reflected the fatherhood of God? We might have less liberal judges. We might have a nation that says no to sin, but yes to righteousness. But for the most part, we have dads that don't even know God, let alone reflect Him. And so I assign this as an assignment, and I have them get back to me and tell me how it's performed. I have had guys come into my office and say this was awesome, this changed my life. Because I see God in ways I never saw him before. God is desiring to reveal himself to us, but he does not impose himself upon me. God will give me the freedom to fail, to make a wrong choice. That's one of his wonderful attributes He's full of grace he's full of mercy And I think that And I'm constantly reaffirming and talking to them talking to them about the attributes of God the immensity of God the Immeasurableness of God the depth of God that we can't get to the bottom of or the end of and whoever he is. And reaffirming who God is to their mind and to their soul. Because that's what God, that's what this is about. Putting them back in connection with the truth about who he is. And then as we work through every area, whether it's deception, rebellion, pride versus humility, I have them take back ground. I have them evict any enemy attachment there. On page 19, I have them work through spears. Many of us are controlled by fears. And I could spend the whole session talking about the importance of not being controlled by fear. I've been controlled by fear. Oftentimes, it debilitates you. Fear can be debilitating. Fear can hospitalize you. Fear can attack your physiological well-being. your mental stability. So we work through this and we talk about what fears are we under. Perfect love casts out fear. How do we know it's perfect? Only if we know who He is. Only if we see Him as He's revealed Himself to be can we be confident that God is for me and not against me. then on page 23 The very last page of the book And there's there's you know we haven't covered every page tonight So we're just highlighting it that on page 23 the last page who I am in Christ This is a great Bible study These are great scriptures for memory work. If there's anything I want people to know is what God says about them. Not only who he is, what's he say about me? Because it's the enemy that comes in and tries to say everything contrary to that. Like I'm rejected. I'm unloved. Like he's done with me. that I'm guilty, unprotected, abandoned, alone, worthless, inadequate, helpless, or hopeless. Those are the things the enemy whispers in our thoughts day after day after day after day. But when we can get to a place where we are solid on what God's truth has to say about His revelation towards me for who I am in His Son. What does he say? Then we can, that's truth that comes up against that lie. It exposes it. So that when the enemy comes in and says it, the Holy Spirit can work within us and say, oh, but that's not true. You are forgiven. I have loved you with an everlasting love. My compassions to you every morning are new and fresh. My love toward you is everlasting. But what condemnation can one bring up against you? Who can condemn you? Who can bring a charge up against God's elect? Who can separate you from my love? Paul talks about that in Romans 8. I can't be separated from this love. I can believe a lie that I am, but that's a lie. The truth says no power, no principality, not death nor life can separate me from the love of God in Christ. This is a great tool. And with this tool, when I'm working in forgiveness, I dovetail right in there soul ties, which we're going to talk about tomorrow. And then we're cognizant and aware of other things that we might need to deal with as we're working through this. Don't let this put me in a box. This isn't a solve everything, complete everything in life. questionnaire But it's a great tool and it's a great inventory system Any questions yeah Okay, great question. The question is that she's a supervisor of her ministry in her church. Is there any merit in taking those that work with her in that ministry through this, or is this just for those who are greatly troubled whose heads turn in 360 degrees? She didn't say that. Listen, pastors ought to go through this. My wife and I believe that what we do with individuals on a day-to-day week-to-week basis Every Christian ought to sign up And spend time with someone who could Who could work with them accountable? in an accountable accountable format of honesty and Work through their issues Every church ought to have their leadership work through this Well, there's no comparison to do it individually one-on-one. But you can't facilitate that always. One of our goals would be where we can come into your church and have a weekend with your leadership on a Friday and a Saturday. Because on a Friday night and an all-day Saturday, we can work through a whole bunch of this. So, I believe church leadership ought to be free. I believe that Christians ought to be free. I don't believe they need to be... I believe they are vexed and troubled when they're not free. They're just not telling you. But, I think it's good maintenance. One of the greatest benefits of working in this ministry is that God speaks to my wife and I all the time about problems that we've got. that we have. Excuse me. Okay. Yes. Yes. We give them one and I have one that I eat breakfast with. We order these from Jim Gaskell. Jim has one of the Jim can source these for us. He sources them for me. The price that he gets is better than you can get from calling and trying to get them direct because we buy them right from the guy that publishes them. So if you'll call Jim Gaskell in Sioux City, he'd be glad to order them. Pardon me? Well, you know we'll talk a lot about that tomorrow when we talk about protecting our ministries and stuff, but it's There's a it's good to do a one-on-one. It's good to have prayer partners when you can have prayer partners And then it's always good to do it in A gender setting that's compatible to who you are women upon one women with women males with males protecting that integrity of your ministry and but we'll talk about some of those issues tomorrow, but Oh, that's a good question. I got you. I suggest that you take course one, two, three here before you get turned loose on this. You know, I just suggest you let the Lord lead you. If God's called you to work with people and He gives you the opportunity to sit with someone and pray with them and help them, then step forward. But the other thing you need to Be careful about is let God lead, guide, and direct you. The thing that we caution is don't go looking for people to counsel. Right. Right. You know, don't walk out the door and say, there's somebody over there. Let's go get them. You know, what you need to do is just let the Lord bring the people to you because he knows your capabilities. He knows your gifts, and he will bring the people to you that he knows that you can work with. But let me take every opportunity. If the Lord brings somebody into your path, you sit down and talk to them. Let me encourage you to make sure you work through this in your own life. Take ownership of everything you're going to talk about. That you know that you have dealt with the issues as far as you know in your life that God has revealed to you. And then, as Jim said, God will give you people if that's what he's called you to do. And you will find yourself trying to figure out how to turn them back. And we're going to talk a lot more about some of those aspects tomorrow. This is a tool. There's a lot of different types of tools you've been learning about this week. In course two, we talked about more tools. to help you and equip you? Pardon me? Do we have demons that manifest? You know, that's an interesting question and it will be answered of course too. No, we actually, you know, and Fred can speak to this too. He's been doing this a lot longer than I have with people that, with the prayers of protection, binding, and the authority of Christ, I have just had very minimal issues with outbursts. I really don't want it. I don't think it's fair to those people I'm wanting to work with. Because I think it gives the enemy an opportunity to continue damaging them, hurting them, embarrassing them. And so, I really kind of, by the authority of Christ, forbid it. I could tell you some stories, which I'd be glad to over ice cream, of where the enemy tried to get up and where we just took the authority of Christ and would not allow it. You are not allowed to do that. And it's not my authority. But we're here representing Jesus Christ and we're holding these entities to a place and a position under his headship. And let me tell you, they know him. And they know where they stand with him. They're not quite as squirrely as we are when it comes to the authority of God. So I haven't had a problem with that. Can it happen? Sure it can happen, but I think with the proper authority of Christ displayed in protection, it'll be controlled. What do you think, Fred? See, Fred and I, she got an eye on this better. Right, Fred? Sure. Yes, ma'am. My husband and I have felt like we've been moved from the churches of our ancestors. Are our kids also released, or do they have to pray through all the same things we pray through? What an interesting question. I've heard that many, many times. It's a good question. The question is, if we pray through our ancestral issues and feel like we've resolved that to the best of our knowledge of how God has shown us, are our kids, our children, released from that? Or do they have to pray through that? I personally believe that what we're doing when we do that is we're stopping the buck right there. And we're cutting it off. And I oftentimes will have parents pray for their children during that time. Father, any ancestral issues that have already been laid on my children, will you cut it off? And personally, I did that and prayed over my children. And then, after I had done that, when they were in their teenage years, when I saw all this bubbly stuff that, you know, is this ancestral or is this testosterone or what is this going on? And, you know, I said, sons, you guys need to know some things that I have had to pray through in my life about generational iniquities that I know that I have been under from my family and my grandparents and great-grandparents that or weaknesses and tendencies of mine. And I shared it with them. I said, you guys might want to pray through that yourself. There's a place where they need to be responsible for protection too. Even though I prayed for them when they were young. When they got a little older I said, get on your knees guys. They knew that they were saved and before you did this they were just more mature. When they were more mature, age accountability is kind of a magic thing, you know. I've met some 30-year-olds that weren't too accountable, you know. And I, you know, I met some pretty mature adolescents. So, it just, you know, that's as well as 12. I don't know if it's 12 or not. But the thing is, I just want to make sure they understand that they have a responsibility to take ownership of their own faith, that they're in the war, and that they've got an enemy that's after them. And if, you know, I knew I had some weaknesses generationally, they better be on the where of it and looking out for it, even though I've prayed to shut it off. You thought, Fred? She can pray for the children. I have found that the Lord will, this is an advanced approach. After the person has pretty well taken care of their own problems, we can ask the Lord to return the spirits to the source parent and dismiss them from the parent. But that takes care of only the ancestral ones. If the kids have acquired wicked spirits on their own, that won't handle it. We have done that. If we're dealing with an ancestral spirit and we know that, we have that spirit. Bring in those sent spirits. Cut them off. Okay? We better cut it off and we can talk out in the hall. But I want to thank you for your questions and the time and God bless you.