We are seeking to give examples of investigative journalism and the stories behind the stories and the stories that are often ignored or are distorted in the media. So the Reformation presentation tonight is on the Catan Forest Massacre, unraveling one of the many secrets of the Second World War. And we haven't even begun to get to the full truth of the Second World War. There's so much lies and deception that's been thrown at us. Everywhere we look, we find lies, lies, and more lies. And when you can see that there are some of the files that have been sealed for 30 years in the case of Operation Keelhaul, or 60 years in the case of Enigma code breaking of GCHQ, the General Cipher and Code Breaking Group of Bletchley Park, and all the others. As Max Hastings, who wrote The Secret War, which I went through last year, He said that every history book is going to have to be rewritten of the Second World War because they had kept secret for 60 years, the codes, the secret war, what was going on behind the scenes. And so we're still digging out of Kremlin files and all sorts of other things. Jesus Christ taught, you shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free. It is essential that we learn the lessons of history, the truths of history, to recognize the lies of propaganda. We need to study the word of God so that we can be freed from deception. The first casualty in war is truth. The truth is killed by the propaganda which is needed to mobilize whatever they want for getting people to be willing to kill their neighbors, cousins, and friends. My history teacher in Rhodesia, Mr. Reece Davies, used to remind us, beware the victor's version. Wartime propaganda morphs into peacetime textbooks and propaganda. What lies behind us and what lies before us are small matters compared to what lies directly to our faces, which is television. It's called programming for a reason. So, unravelling one of the many secrets of the Second World War. A complex edifice of deception has been thoroughly dismantled by patient and persistent perseverance and pressure. In fact, this is a classic case of excellent journalism that has seen it through decades and generations, to the truth. On a mission to Poland in 1990, I saw a monument for the victims of the Katyn forest massacre in 1940. So Miecznik said, don't you mean 1941? And my Polish host looked at me in disgust and said, don't tell us you believe the Russian propaganda. I didn't know what they were talking about. The Polish Christians were most agitated over my ignorance on this matter. I got such an education going to Eastern Europe because the Christians in Eastern Europe don't see things the same way we do. What freedom, they'd say. We never got any freedom. What democracy? We didn't get any freedom or democracy after the Second World War. You betrayed us. What do you mean we betrayed you? You allies, Britain, America, unfortunately South Africa was allied. You betrayed us to Stalin, Soviet Union. Well, that's not the way we saw it from all the movies we watched when we were sort of cheering for the good guys and realizing, you know, justice was on our side and other guys were totally evil, we were totally good. And people in Eastern Europe didn't see it that way. Finland, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Poland, Belarus, Ukraine, Hungary. They didn't see it that way all the way down to Yugoslavia. You betrayed us. 150 million Christians betrayed behind nine curtain at Yalta. They explained that Great Britain and France had declared war on Germany 3rd of September 1939 ostensibly because Germany had invaded Poland. That's our rationale, our reason for the war. But Russia also invaded Poland in September 1939. And then they'd add, well of course most history books admit that fact. Indeed they do. Not only did the Soviet Union invade Poland in 1939, they invaded Hungary and Romania in 1940, and they also invaded Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia in 1940, and they invaded Finland in 1940, the Winter War. That's a lot of invasions for a country that became an ally in the fight for justice, freedom, and democracy. And here are some of the Russian troops heading into Poland, dismantling the structures of the border defenses, crossing the rivers, taking down the border posts and, in fact, Russia annexed a full half of Poland's territory. Here's an insidious Russian piece of propaganda where you can see a Soviet soldier with his red star and all that, even his belt buckle and his helmet, and there's a Polish officer, that's a Polish officer's cap, and he's depicted as a coward hiding in the corner with a dagger to stab him in the back with, which is a real dishonest and very slanderous kind of propaganda poster to depict the Polish officer corps as backstabbers and cowards, which of course is just not fair. And here are Polish officers being marched off to prison. The Katern forest is deep in Soviet territory, they pointed out. I mean, there is Moscow. and here is Smolensk, and there's Katyn next to Smolensk. There's Warsaw. In fact, you'll notice that Katyn is far closer to Moscow than it is to Warsaw. How is this meant to have been the site where the Germans massacred the Polish officers, all of whom came from eastern part of Poland, which had been annexed by the Soviets? All the Polish prisoners captured by the Germans survived the war, and all the Polish prisoners captured by the Russians were murdered. Over 22,000 Polish prisoners, including over 8,000 officers, were murdered in cold blood by the Soviet NKVD, what originally was the Cheka, became the NKVD, and later became the KGB, in the spring of 1940. When this crime was discovered, Soviet Union, Stalin's Soviet Union, was an ally of Great Britain and of the United States of America. Therefore, they found it more convenient to attribute the Russian atrocity to their German enemies. The Polish Christians inform me that the British, Americans and French chose to participate in judicial fraud at the Nuremberg trials by indicting the German army with what were plainly communist atrocities committed by Soviet Russia. And everyone knew that. In December 1941, the head of the London-based Polish government in exile, General Wladyslaw Sikorski inquired of the Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin what has become of the Polish prisoners of war captured by the Soviets during the invasion of Poland in September 1939. Here's General Sikorski meeting with Stalin and Stalin assured Sikorski all Polish prisoners of war have been released. I mean, you kind of wonder what kind of liar this man was that he could just so blatantly say this to one of his allies. Stalin assured Sikorski all Polish prisoners of war had been released. Maybe he's thinking of dropping them into a mass grave. He opinioned that some may have moved to Manchuria. In 1943, a German intelligence officer, Rudolf von Gerstorff, serving with the Abwehr, received reports about mass graves of Polish military officers near Katyn. A ditch 28 meters long, 16 meters wide was found which contained the bodies of over 3,000 Polish officers piled up in 12 layers. This was only the first of many such graves to be unearthed. German soldiers unearthed numerous mass graves of many thousands of Polish officers who had been massacred in the Katyn forest near Smolensk. The German news reports claim this was just yet another evidence of the war crimes and atrocities committed by the communist commissars of the Soviet Union. And here's the newspaper announcing it the next day, the 14th of April, 1943, in Polish. This is a Polish newspaper reporting, and this is how the people first came to hear of what had happened to their relatives. And these are some of the historic pictures. Notice it's not just, when we speak about the Katyn Frost Massacre, it actually includes Kalinin and Kharkov. It's become a term for all the massacres of Polish prisoners in different parts, even though Katyn was the first place it was discovered. So it's the term that's now used as a general term. These are pictures of the Katern Forest, where the mass graves were unearthed, and they came across layers upon layers upon layers of soldiers. When the German government announced the discovery of the mass graves in the Katern Forest, the London-based Polish government-in-exile, headed by General Sikorski, requested an investigation by the International Committee of the Red Cross. Stalin immediately severed diplomatic relations with Poland's government, claiming the victims had been murdered by the Nazis. Now, spot the logical inconsistency here. If they were victims of the Nazis, why was Stalin severing diplomatic relations with the Polish government in exile for wanting an independent investigation of the matter? I mean, this is about as clear an admission of guilt as you can have. It's like in the Rhodesian War, the murder of the British Pentecostal missionaries at Elam in 1978, the World Council of Churches, who were funding the terrorists, the ZANU-PF terrorists of Robert Mugabe, they immediately said, oh, this was done by Rhodesian Saloo Scouts. Interesting, but immediately after the war, 1980, Robert Mugabe forbade any memorials to be set up, any memorial dates, anything to be done for the Elam missionaries. Nobody was allowed to hold any memorials. He ordered that the name of the school, Elam Mission School, be changed, and when I visited it was called the Eagle School, and they just changed the name a little bit, and then any memorial that was set up for them was immediately demolished. Well, if this was done by the Rhodesian forces, then why is the communist government not drawing everyone's attention, having the memorials, erecting memorials, having Robert Mugabe go there to lay wreaths? You know, it's so obvious anyone with a couple of brain cells to rub together can see that it's an admission of guilt when they forbid you to even investigate what happened there. But this is what happened. The German government brought in a European commission of 12 forensic experts and their staff from Belgium, Bulgaria, Denmark, Finland, France, Italy, Croatia, the Netherlands, Romania, Sweden, Slovakia, and Hungary. Some of these obviously are neutral countries. Polish, American, and British prisoners of war were also included in the investigation, senior. They chose the best forensic experts from all these countries and gave them everything they wanted to investigate. The reports of these neutral investigators confirmed the victims were indeed Polish officers, non-commissioned officers, and intellectuals, professors, and so on, who were victims of Russian forces in the summer of 1940. They made maps of where the graves were. It expanded as they discovered more. And here's, for example, the actual mass graves, and they started to inventory them and started to get details right down. Notice the hands tied together. Here you can see it even clearer, the hands tied together. These are not people who died in a war. These are people who were tied up and shot in the back of the head. And again, the hands tied behind the back, as you can see, bullets hole in the back of the neck. And here the investigators are investigating and they can see the bullet holes in the back of the neck, each single one. Plainly Polish money, Polish military insignia, Polish Roman Catholic types of medallions, Polish watches, Polish military medals. And relatives were brought out to identify the effects of their loved ones. Now, you know, talking about it without a face or name is one thing, but when you put a face to the people, realized these were the intellectuals, these were the leaders, these were from the finest families, and it was the leadership of Poland. When the Polish government's in exile, by General Sikorski. Notice there's Churchill, there's de Gaulle, so that's the French government in exile, that's the Polish government in exile so-called, and there's old bulldog Churchill himself. So when the Polish government in exile insisted on bringing the matter before the International Red Cross, General Sikorski died in an aircraft accident Fourth of July, 1943. So it's an event that was described as convenient to the Allied leaders. Numerous books and documentary films have been made of the assassination of General Sikorski. One that's in Polish, the English subtitles I'm trying to get hold of, I've only seen the trailer, is Attempt at General, Attempt at Gibraltar. Now General Sikorsky was a kind of person who wouldn't let this go. And here you can see Churchill, de Gaulle, Franklin Delano Roosevelt of America with General Sikorsky. And here again you can see Churchill, de Gaulle, obviously the tallest Sikorsky, and a British officer. And, of course, the Polish leader was meant to be the British ally. Here he is meeting, in this case, French troops in the field. And on this occasion, meeting with French officers. Here's old Churchill, Roosevelt, and Stalin, the big three of the allies. And we've got Sikorski meeting with these folks of the Russians at that time. Plainly hear the facts about the massacres in Khatyn and others deep into the Soviet territory. At this moment, General Sikorsky is wanting to get to the bottom of this, and the International Red Cross is going to help him. I think this photograph just shows you body language and facial expression of Winston Churchill as Prime Minister of Britain. He no longer likes Sikorsky at this point. I mean, that's pretty clear. Roosevelt phones Churchill. In fact, all the communications records at this time are still sealed. Still 70 something years after the war, you can't access the communications between Churchill and Roosevelt during these key months. And the information that we have and which the Polish maintain is that Roosevelt contacted Churchill and said, you've got to do something about Sikorsky. He's going to upset our whole alliance. He's got to go. And so Winston Churchill then ordered Sikorsky to fly to Gibraltar and then on to North Africa, where Poland had some forces as part of the 8th Army, and to inspect the force there and do a kind of morale boosting visit. And his daughter, who was also in the Polish Army, traveled with him as his aide-de-camp. His whole cabinet, effectively, his whole high command, he was not only the Polish government in exile, he was also the general commanding of Polish forces. You can see on his shoulder, Poland. Here he is in the Eighth Army. Who knows, my father might have even been there at the time. And after visiting North Africa, he flew back to Britain, but on the way stopped at Gibraltar as he had to, to refuel his American Liberator and just Something like eight seconds after takeoff, it crashed into the water. Here's a picture of it under the ocean, the Mediterranean, just off Gibraltar, which is a little British enclave at the very southern tip of Spain and at the edge of the Mediterranean. Everybody died in the plane. Only survivor, without any injury, the pilot. Extremely suspicious. Next to nobody in Poland believes to this day that this was an accident. In fact, the evidence has come out overwhelmingly, shockingly on the side of an assassination. The propeller of one of the planes is interbrought as a memorial. General Sikorski's memorial in Poland. Kim Philby, British MI5 agent. happened to be the man in charge of the Iberian Peninsula, and he was in Gibraltar at that time. He was the most famous KGB double agent. He was serving both the Soviets and the British at that time. The evidence is both the Soviets wanted Sikorsky dead and the British wanted him dead. This man would have probably had an order from both. The question is, who got to him first? And did he murder Sikorsky on the orders of Churchill, on the orders of Stalin, or both? the Soviet Union's ambassador to Britain happened to be in Gibraltar and his aircraft was on the landing strip at the same time as the Polish one, which is an incredible coincidence. And that there's not a single survivor except the pilot, who wasn't Polish, he was Czech, and there's a lot of interesting things that come out of this. Here's Kim Philby. Decades later in Moscow he fled he was tipped off because the British had so many KGB agents amongst the moles they called him that in fact Kim Philby I was one of the Cambridge five is one of the five MI5 operatives who was already recruited in Cambridge University by the KGB and was loyal to the Soviet Union. And it was some of the highest. In fact, the fifth man turned out to be Sir Roger Hollis, who was M, who was the one giving James Bond his instructions from 1945 to 1968. Effectively, he would have been the one running the 00 section. So if you take all those James Bond movies before 1968, M was actually working for the KGB, Sir Roger Hollis. And so these were all tipped off. None of them were caught because all of them escaped before they were actually able to be arrested. And so he spent the rest of his years with the Order of Lenin in Moscow and so on. The Polish government later, when they achieved their freedom in 1990, they brought the body of General Sikorski back from England and reburied it in Poland. Now, Stalin and Churchill became the best of buddies during the war. The British actually produced this kind of nonsense. This man is your friend, Russian. He fights for freedom. Hammond, Sickle, Red Star. I mean, this is just such blatant lies. It's staggering. The Soviets hastened to orchestrate an alternative Soviet version of the now-disclosed massacre to claim that the Polish prison wars had been massacred not by the Soviets but by the Nazis. Nikolai Burdenko, president of the Soviet Academy of Medicine, presided over a commission appointed by Stalin to investigate the incident a year later. Burdenko claimed to have interviewed more than a hundred eyewitnesses, who we don't have named, who swore that the Nazis had massacred the Polish prisoners of war in autumn 1941. At the Nuremberg Tribunal in 1945-46, the German military were proclaimed guilty of shooting Polish prisoners of war in the Catan Forest. So the Soviet version of the Katyn massacre moved from wartime propaganda into school history books, which is what I read in Rhodesian, which I believed all the way through till 1990. The Germans shot Polish prisoners of war in the Katyn forest in 1941. I remember thinking, that's disgusting. The Polish-Soviet crisis threatened Western-Soviet relations, and British Prime Minister Winston Churchill and US President Franklin Roosevelt were torn between the commitment to the Polish ally, which probably wasn't that strong, and the demands of Stalin, which was obviously uppermost in their minds. In private, Winston Churchill, Prime Minister Winston Churchill, agreed that trustee was most likely carried out by the Soviets. According to Edward Reznitzky, Churchill admitted on 15th of April, 1943, that's two days after the Germans released information, during a conversation with General Sikorsky, alas, the German revelations are probably true. The Bolsheviks can be very cruel. as a man who praised Stalin to high heaven. However, on 24th of April 1943, Churchill assured the Soviets, and we have this decrypt, we shall surely oppose vigorously any investigation by the International Red Cross or any other body about Khatyn. As he said, truth should be protected by a bodyguard of lies. Classified UK documents concluded that the Soviet guilt was a near certainty, but the alliance with the Soviets was deemed to be more important than the moral issue. Remember, why did Britain go to war? To protect Poland. And now? The official version parroted the Soviet propaganda and the census suppressed all contradictory accounts and the average Englishman wasn't aware that there was another version. The British Foreign Secretary pointed out several inconsistencies and impossibilities in the Soviet version, not least the distance. That this was not where the prisoners of war were captured. Why would the Germans have taken them all away to Khatyn to kill them? Anyway, why is it that none of the ones who died there were from the western zone captured by the Germans or from the eastern zone? Churchill's post-war account, remember he wrote a six-volume history of the Second World War. skirts over the Catan Massacre in one paragraph. He refers to the 1944 Soviet inquiry which attributed guilt to the Germans, adding cryptically, belief seems an act of faith. So he gives no attention or credence to the Catan Forest Massacre being done by the Germans, even though this book came out while most people accepted it, showing you that Churchill, although he was a liar and all that. He wanted to be considered a historian so he's very careful what he put in his history books because he's thinking of the the long view of history when it looks back and so he didn't dare to parrot openly that he believed the propaganda but he just he puts it surreptitiously that later when he discovered you see well he didn't really believe it anyway but so he's hedging his bets. When U.S. Navy Lieutenant Commander George Early produced a report concerning the massacres and concluded they were committed by the Savage Union, President Roosevelt ordered Early's report to be suppressed. When Early formally requested permission to publish his findings, the President issued a written order forbidding it. I mean, the President is concerned on this micromanagement level? Are we not fighting for freedom? Early was reassigned, spent the rest of the war on a remote island of American Samoa. I mean, that's got to be about as remote as it could be somewhere in the Pacific where he wasn't able to communicate with anyone, basically. Stuck in there amongst the cannibals or something. At the end of the war, These sections of Poland, or these sections of Germany, were given to Poland to make up for the half of Poland that was stolen by the Soviets. So 15 million Germans lost their homes and were either killed or forced out as refugees. And the Poles who had lived in the east of Poland, which now the Russians annexed, were shifted over and so you had this massive, biggest forced removals in the history of the world. Two senior American prisoners of war, Lieutenant Colonel Donald Stewart and Colonel John van Vliet, were taken by the Germans to Catan for investigation, and they submitted a report after release in 1945 that the Soviets were definitely responsible for the massacre, and they gave the medical, forensic, and other evidence. George Marshall, that's the Chief of Staff of the U.S. Forces, Assistant Chief of Staff of Intelligence, Major General Clayton Bissell, destroyed the report. didn't just seal it or file it, destroyed the report. That is criminal by any level that you can think, to destroy evidence of a major war crime. During the 1951 to 1952 congressional investigations, General Bissel defended his action before Congress, arguing it was not in the United States' interest to antagonize the Soviet Union, which was America's ally. What ever happened to fighting for freedom and justice and all that sort of thing? The Americans and British reported in their diaries that they were embarrassed by the Soviet inclusion of the Catan Forest Massacre and indictments against the German military at Nuremberg, because everyone knew it's fraud. The Soviet General Roman Radenko at the Nuremberg Tribunal stated, one of the most important criminal acts for which the major war criminals are responsible was the mass execution of Polish prisoners of war shot in the Catan Forest near Smolensk by the German fascist invaders. Katerin was the worst massacre of prisoners of war in history, he declared. This is the Soviet justice. For sheer bare-faced hypocrisy, this accusation was classic. All present at the trial, including the one making the accusation, knew this was judicial fraud and farce. The Black Book of Sendship in the People's Republic of Poland under the Soviet Occupational State, any attempt to burden the Soviet Union with the responsibility for the deaths of Polish officers in Katyn forest is forbidden. You lose your job, your home, maybe your life if you do. Further evidence that everyone knew who was really responsible was that given even the most simple memorial erected in Poland, such as Katyn 1940, was confiscated by police and destroyed. Anything. I mean, you put up some sign. They said they put up a paper sign on a notice board, Katyn 1940, normally around 13 April. taken down, destroyed. I mean, they wouldn't allow anything again. If Katyn had been something done by their enemies, they would have been putting it on the front page of the newspaper. The Polish practice was to erect memorial crosses on All Saints Day, and these were always dismantled by the police. If Katyn had really been a Nazi atrocity, it would not have been a taboo subject in a communist-controlled country. Not only did the Soviet Union forbid any monuments to be erected to victims of the Catan Massacre, but the British government objected to plans to build a Catan Monument in the United Kingdom. I mean, really and truly, how petty, how disgusting to think that they couldn't even allow the Polish relatives living in exile in Britain to have a memorial to their relatives. In the 1960s, the Soviets launched a disinformation offensive to sidetrack the persistent accusations of Soviet atrocities and massacres throughout Eastern Europe, one of the most persistent of which was the Polish people speaking out against Katyn. A village in Belarus, Katyn, K-H-A-T-Y-N, whose name is very similar to Katyn, was chosen as a site for a memorial to commemorate the victims of Nazi atrocities. Now apparently, we don't have any evidence for this, but apparently 149 Katyn villages had been massacred by Ukrainian and Belarus soldiers who were fighting on the same side as the Nazis in March 1943. The Catan Memorial became an obligatory stop for all foreign visitors, and this disinformation campaign scored its major success in 1974 when American President Richard Nixon was brought to Catan to remember the Polish victims of the Nazis. He laid his wreath and all this, they got all their pictures, and boy were the Soviets, Pravda and Izvestia, delighted. From this time, all Soviet publications displaced Catan with Catan, including in Polish encyclopedias and historical dictionaries. Every Soviet leader had to deal with the persistent Polish charges of the Cotain Forest Massacre. The Polish solidarity movement in the 1980s used underground printing presses to expose Soviet duplicity and print the facts about the Cotain Forest Massacre, and I was shown some of those when I was visiting Poland in 1990. Mikhail Gorbachev launched an historic commission in 1987 to create a new Soviet version of what actually happened at Cotain. Gorbachev's Politburo proposed in 1988 to build a memorial to victims of the massacre executed by Hitlerites in Khatyn, alongside a memorial to 500 Soviet prisoners of war supposedly also killed at Khatyn by the Germans, which is a myth created by the Budenko Commission with absolutely no evidence that it ever happened at all. Gorbachev also offered the Poles a simplified procedure for relatives wishing to visit the sites where their loved ones lay buried. However, the Polish historians tenaciously exposed the Russian responsibility, and the Catholic Church in Poland labeled the Katyn massacre one of the worst crimes in the history of mankind, which it surely is. Gorbachev's trusted advisor, Valentine Phelan, reported the Polish historians subverted the Soviet Commission by producing their own evidence exposed in the 1944 Badenko Report as spurious. Without waiting for the Soviet Commission's response, the Poles began publishing the facts, and the problem just stubbornly refused to go away. Even the communist puppet government of Dzerzhinsky, now Dzerzhinsky was totally Soviet puppet, but he was the head of state, the dictator of Poland at the time. He even had to admit the liquidation of the Polish officers was the responsibility of the Soviet Union. On the symbolic date of 13 April 1990, 47 years after Berlin Radio had announced the discovery of the massacre site, and 50 years after the massacre began, Gorbachev handed over two boxes of evidence to the Poles. The documents made clear that the Katan massacre was the work of the head of the NKVD, Leventry Beria. Gorbachev now attempted to convince the Poles that more than 20,000 Polish nationals, top leaders, had been executed by the secret police chief without any authority from the Soviet Politburo. Now, knowing how top-down totalitarian communist governments work, that's not possible. This limited confession and further attempts at deception only enraged the Polish people further. An investigation conducted by the Prosecutor General's Office of the Soviet Union in 1991, later by the Russian Federation, confirmed Soviet responsibility for the massacres. However, the Russian Federation later tried to diminish the numbers of deaths to 1,803 Polish citizens. Like this would make it any better. They also refused to classify the action as a war crime or as an act of genocide. They declared the investigation closed on the grounds that the perpetrator massacres were already dead. Now these are some of the NKVD mass murderers directly responsible for the Katen massacre. In October 1992, Boris Yeltsin, who had replaced Gorbachev, lowered the Soviet flag, raised the Russian flag, abolished the Soviet Union, handed over newly found secret documents from the Soviet Politburo to the Polish president, Lech Wałęsa. This was a very decisive move. The Politburo order dated 5 March 1940 was entitled Question of the NKVD. In it, Beria informed Stalin that 14,736 Polish officers, officials, police officers, gendarmes, and other intellectuals were being held in prison camps and occupied Polish territory, and that 18,632 similar persons were being held in the western province of Ukraine and Belarus. Beria requested permission to shoot them all. Stalin's in favor, bold, over the top of Brewer's question, and three other Politburo members also signed, and two more approved the execution order by phone. The document was labeled top secret. Of the total killed, about 8,000 were Polish military officers taken prisoner during September 1939 Soviet invasion of Poland. Another 6,000 were police officers, the rest were Polish intelligentsia, the rest being bourgeois. The Katyn-Frost massacre was justified by Stalin's Politburo as necessary to deprive a potential future Polish military of their leadership. Since Russia intended to keep the eastern portion of Poland, he was determined to deprive it of a large proportion of its military and intellectual elite. Those who murdered included an admiral and 14 generals. 77 colonels, 197 lieutenant colonels, 541 majors, 1,441 captains, 70 naval captains, 6,000 other officers, 3,420 non-commissioned officers, 18 chaplains, 20 university professors, 300 physicians, hundreds of lawyers, engineers, and teachers, hundreds of writers and journalists, and over 200 pilots. Vasily Mikhailovich Blokhin, this man, the chief executioner for the NKVD, is reported to have personally shot and killed 7,000 of the condemned from the Ostabashkov camp over a period of 28 days just in April 1940. Personally, he shot 7,000 people. I don't think there's ever been a person who has killed more individuals personally than this individual. I've never heard of anyone who's done something to match that. Further documents revealed that every Soviet chairman since Joseph Stalin had signed out the Politburo's Katan file and were all well aware of the Russian complicity in this crime. In a memo dated 1959 to Chairman Khrushchev, Interior Minister Alexander Schleppen reported, the Committee of State Security has held, since 1940, case files and other materials regarding prisoners and interned officers, policemen, gendarmes, military settlers, landowners, persons from former Bojma, Poland, who were shot in the same year, 1940. In all, on the basis of the decision of a special troika of the NKVD, USSR, 21,857 people were shot. The entire operation was carried out on the basis of a decision of the Central Committee of 5 March 1940. Since 1940, no information from these files was released to anyone. All of the files numbering 21,857 have been stored in a sealed location. To Soviet organs, all of these files represent neither operational interest nor historical value. It is also doubtful that they could be of any real value to our Polish friends, meaning the Communist Party of Poland. Quite the contrary, any unforeseen incident may lead to the revealing of the operation with all the undesirable consequences for our state. This is especially so because regarding those shot in the Katyn forest, there is an official version. supported by an investigation carried out on the initiative of the Soviet state in 1944 by the Bedenko Commission, which concluded that all of the Poles liquidated there are considered to have been killed by the German invaders. The conclusions of the Commission became firmly established in international public opinion. It seems appropriate to destroy all the records regarding the person shot in 1940 in the above-mentioned operation. Schleppen's recommendations to purge the records were carried out with over 21,000 case files destroyed. However, the Politburo execution order, this order, and the memo from Barrière remain in the official record. Not only that, this is the smoking gun as they call it, but also the reports on this and the destruction of those case files. Files later released from Gorbachev's time include advice from advisors that should the truth of the Katerin-Frost massacre come out, people could be convinced that the Soviet Union was no better than, and may have actually been worse than Nazi Germany during the war, and that the Soviet Union bears no less responsibility for the war. Indeed, no jokes. Polish historians point out that during the 1930s, hundreds of thousands of Poles living in the western areas of the Soviet Union were marked out for persecution by Stalin, either execution or deportation to Central Asia. The Soviet invasion of Poland in 1939 was carried out by more waves of arrests and mass deportations to the east, to the Soviet concentration camps spread across Siberia. Just notice how they had six levels of bunk beds, you know. If you know what it's like to be in a double bunk bed, just imagine six. While Khatyn Frost Massacre took place, hundreds of thousands of Poles, especially the better educated and economically active citizens, were already in exile in Siberia or in labor camps in Central Asia. They were herded there in horribly overcrowded freight trains. At least one out of five of them died during transportation to the Soviet concentration camps. Between 320,000 to possibly up to one million Polish citizens were deported to the Soviet Union. Of one group of 12,000 Poles incarcerated in Delstroy, near Kolyma, an infamous concentration camp in the Soviet Union. In 1940, only 583 of the 12,000 survived by 1942, just two years later. Over 570,000 Polish citizens were arrested and incarcerated in concentration camps by the Soviets during the war. Polish prisoners were subjected to lengthy interrogations between October 1939 and February 1940 by people like this. These interviews were a selection process to determine who would live and who would die. According to NKVD reports, if the prisoners could not be persuaded to adopt a pro-communist attitude, they were declared hardened and uncompromising enemies of Soviet authority and condemned to death. And these are the people who did it. I mean, all these are pictures of NKVD people who actually took part in the massacres of the Polish prisoners. When Germany launched Operation Barbarossa in September 1941, the NKVD concentration camp guards massacred thousands of Polish prisoners before fleeing eastwards to avoid the German advance. When the war was reaching its end and the Red Army was at the very gates of Warsaw, radio broadcasts from Russia urged the Polish citizens to rise up in revolt, and this was the famous Warsaw Uprising. The Soviet army was then ordered to stand down, stand by, render no assistance to the Poles as the Germans crushed the Warsaw Uprising. Stalin said it's better that all resistance in Poland be crushed before a Soviet occupation. In 1990, Polish Christians saw that I had a South African flag lapel pin on my jacket, and people in the streets would literally approach me and thank me that the South African Air Force alone, amongst allies, flew in weapons and aid to the Polish underground during the Warsaw Uprising. I was surprised because I didn't know this. I mean, I thought I was pretty well informed on history. I'd read that the Royal Air Force had flown aid to the Warsaw Uprising, but this was another lie, and they said no to the South African Air Force. But because of apartheid, historians had expunged South Africa's role and replaced it with RAF. You can see the springbok inside. It's the springbok within the roundel, within the castle there, as part of the South African Air Force flying American liberators. They flew from Italy all the way across Germany and Hungary to Poland dropped aid, very few of them survived. And here are the Polish people receiving some of the aid dropped by South African Air Force into Warsaw. Medical aid, things like that. Well, later after that, I noticed that at the War Museum in Rosebank, Johannesburg, they had a gathering of Polish citizens and some of the survivors or relatives of the South Afghan Air Force who flew the incredibly courageous supply to Warsaw. and they had this gathering. And I went to the museum shortly after this and I saw the pictures on the walls of this and thought, how did they keep this secret for 45 years? The South African Air Force stunned. Now, it wasn't even in our history books. Just extraordinary how things like this could have been uncovered generations later about what happened there. The Polish people hadn't forgotten. Some of our aviators, all their grandchildren were there and a lot of pictures. that history books could be rewritten to conform to politically correct dictates is deeply disturbing. Take, for example, the Springbok Legion having liberated Abyssinia, which today is called Ethiopia. Addis Ababa was liberated by South African Springbok Legion during the Second World War. And they abolished slavery in Ethiopia, which had been, it was legal until 1942 when South African forces abolished slavery before handing back to King, Emperor Haile Selassie and withdrawing from the country. Now, again, in the history books, I've read that the British had liberated Abyssinia from the Italians. I didn't know the South Africans had. You had to do a bit of check. Oh, gee, actually, it was our forces. But again, it was a bit politically embarrassing. South Africa liberated the Abyssinians, so they just changed to the British. And this kind of rewriting of history is actually outrageous. Polish citizens strenuously objected to any suggestion that they'd been liberated by the Soviets. They had a statue of the Soviet soldiers who had liberated Warsaw. In fact, many of the people there said it's a statue to the unknown rapist. The statue of these soldiers meant to have liberated them. Not the unknown soldier, but the unknown rapist. They said the Soviets never liberated anyone. The Red Army was only a curse. The first act of the Soviets on occupying Poland was arresting all the leaders of the underground army and government that had survived the Warsaw Uprising. Polish Christians point out that most of the atrocities attributed to the Germans, some said all, were actually committed by communist officials, by Soviets, by the commissars, and conveniently blamed on their defeated enemies who didn't have a voice to question or to counter. Polish relatives of the victims continued to urge the European Court of Human Rights to rule on the crimes of the Stalin regime. Now, to Vladimir Putin's Russia, the Khatyn forest massacre is an inconvenient truth, very frustrating. It taints Russian wartime heroism. Putin's chief military prosecutor, Alexander Savinkov, issued a ruling on Khatyn on 11th of March, 2005, in which they acknowledged the NKVD troika had found 14,542 Polish citizens held in NKVD camps guilty of committing state crimes. I mean, what chance is there that 14,000 individuals all committed state crimes? Made a decision to shoot them in the spring of 1940. Putin's representative claims that these Soviet officials abused their authority, but that no criminal case could be opened against them because the guilty parties had since died. This is the Lubyanka, by the way, KGB headquarters in Moscow. The Polish claim of genocide was rejected and although they agreed to hand over 67 of the 183 volumes of evidence, two-thirds of the remaining evidence was to remain classified. The Polish parliament was outraged and demanded that Russia's Katerin archives all be declassified and that the Russian courts rule that Katerin-Forest massacre was an act of genocide. Communists throughout the world would prefer the truth about Giten to be buried or remain buried. But Christians in Poland and throughout Eastern Europe determined to exhume the secrets and expose the true nature of Soviet communism. They were not liberators. They weren't fighting for freedom. They weren't our allies. Human rights societies continued to pressure the Russian government, the Duma. Until in November 2010, the Russian State Duma finally approved the declaration, blaming Stalin and other Soviet officials for having personally ordered the massacre of the Polish prisoners of war. But this was only after the disastrous plane crash of Polish leaders en route to Khatyn for the 70th anniversary commemoration. The Polish President and his wife, the Chief Justice, 10th of April, 2010, an aircraft carrying the Polish President Lech Kaczynski, his wife and 87 other politicians and high-ranking army officers crashed near Smolensk, killing all 96 on board the aircraft, virtually the entire Polish government and leaders. By the way, the chief rabbi of Poland was also meant to be on the plane, but he at the last minute cancelled and wasn't on board the plane. The passengers were to attend the ceremony marking the 70th anniversary of the Katyn massacre. The Polish people were convinced they were victims of a communist terror campaign which assassinated their president and the senior leaders of the country on the eve of the most important and solemn anniversary of this massacre, the 70th anniversary. And can you imagine? Many observed it's just like the assassination of General Sikorski in 1943. In the funeral following the death flight of the Polish government, Russia had to run up the white flag. And here, finally, Vladimir Putin came and prayed and laid wreaths at the site of the Katyn Forest Massacre. This was total capitulation by the Russian government. At that point, nobody could hold back anything. And then the Russian Duma finally, after this death flight, had to acknowledge Russia's guilt for the Khatyn Forest Massacre. And this is after how many decades of lies, lies, more lies, misdirection, false accusations, bearing false witness. In 2011, the European Court of Human Rights declared admissible two complaints of relatives of the massacre victims against Russia concerning the inadequacy of the investigations. This is the International Court of Justice. In a ruling on the 16th of April, 2012, the court found Russia had violated the rights of the victims, the relatives, and described the massacre as a war crime. It took 72 years. But facts are stubborn things. And the people in Poland struck me as the most relentlessly persuasive. They would not back down. They would not accept the lies. They would not accept the misdirections. They wouldn't accept the half-truths. They didn't accept any of the nonsense that was dished up. They stood to honor their relatives. In some cases, their grandparents. They would not back down. And so these are some of the posts that are there. and the facts, the maps, the Polish flag. This is the entrance to the Katyn forest massacre memorial site. And you can see three crosses, Katyn and the names of the other two sites where major massacres took place. In New York, the Polish have a memorial of the Polish officers stabbed in the back by a rifle bayonet in the back. And that's, you can see Katyn 1940. That's the Polish citizens in New York have set up that memorial. There are different memorials set up at the sites, but here you can see Katyn 1940. It is for the Warsaw Uprising, 1944, where they also commemorate the South African involvement in helping them, the only allies who tried. To Peter 219, they promised them freedom while they themselves are slaves of depravity. You could write that over all the so-called liberators. They promised them freedom, but they themselves are slaves of corruption. And German forces took Ukraine, idols of Lenin, you can see Lenin's name upside down and Lenin's bust toppled down. Propaganda kills. The thing is the hate propaganda, like the propaganda being whipped up right now against whites in South Africa, against farmers and Afrikaners in particular, It's got deadly consequences. Propaganda isn't just a lie. Propaganda actually kills. It killed the Poles. It killed the Tutsis in Rwanda. Propaganda leads to the deaths of many innocent people. As my history teacher reminds us, beware the victor's version. If you are seeing something in a Hollywood film or reading it in a textbook or in a newspaper, you've just got to immediately question. What's the real story? Why are these cocaine-sniffing, Antichrist-blaspheming drug addicts telling me this? Why should I believe anything these Antichrist pagans want to tell me? Hollywood hates Christ. They are the most blasphemous industry on the planet in the history of mankind. Everything they say should be questioned. More than questioned, discarded. The truth sets us free. That is why it's absolutely essential that we know the truth of history to recognize the lies of propaganda. Now we've had a lot of presentations on history in the last 13 years of Reformation, Saudi, Thursday nights here. We've put some of them in this understanding history, empty three, there are others. But we continually need to study the truth in the Bible to be set free from the deceptions of the world. This world is full of lies. And this is one that a whole nation has worked at to get the truth. And it took them 72 years. But they got the world to acknowledge the truth ultimately. It took time. Even the perpetrators, or at least the representatives of the nation of the perpetrators. You shall know the truth. The truth shall make you free. How many other lies are there out there in public consciousness that need to be exposed? Well, we've tackled a few of them at previous Reformation Society presentations. This is important because we're a mission to the persecuted and we particularly want to speak up for those who are persecuted for their faith. Their stories are not normally told. Hollywood has made how many films on the Katerin Forest Massacre? None. There's one made by Polish people. In Polish, English subtitles, well worth seeing. And you can watch it free on YouTube. These are some other useful books that I've come across which document the Black Book of Communism from the Russian Archives of the Kremlin documents the Katerin Forest Massacre, amongst other things, as a Soviet war crime. Freedom Betrayed, Herbert Hoover, saw this coming, and he also put a lot of the details about Franklin Delano Roosevelt's involvement and Churchill's involvement in betraying the Christians of Eastern Europe in the hands of the Soviets. Professor of Political Science in University of Hawaii. His book, Death by Government, is staggering. Absolutely, he calls it democide. Governments organizing the deaths of their own people. Patrick Buchanan also deals with the Katan Forest Massacre and his Churchill-Hitler and Unnecessary War. Peter Padfield's book on Hess, Hitler, and Churchill also refers to the betrayal of the Polish people. Nicholas Bethel in his book on The Last Secret, which is hardly The Last Secret, but when this book came out in 1975, after 30 years after the Operation Keelhaul, the betrayal of 3 million Russians and East Europeans forced back to the NKVD at that time to be massacred, James Bach, a journalist, French-speaking journalist from Canada's book Other Losses, absolutely staggering. More German soldiers died as prisoners of war after the Second World War than died during the war on all three fronts through six years. More died in one year after war in prison camps, most of them killed by Eisenhower. And, of course, millions more died of starvation than many in the next years, next 10 years that there were slaves in Siberia, the Soviet Union. Many millions of German prisoners of war who hand themselves over to allies were actually force-marched over to the Russians to be handed over to the Soviets to work as slaves for the next 10 years. Of course, most didn't live that long. But the staggering truth unleashed by James Bach, what he documents about the atrocities committed As Patrick Buchanan said, everyone thinks they know what the Germans did. But what nobody knows is what the Allies did to the Germans. Because those atrocities were just shelved. You're not allowed to talk about them. So, these are just some of the previous presentations we've dealt with. We'll be uploading these on the web. Since the Germans were blamed for the massacre, what was their response? I mean, surely they would have known. And do they have a response now that they... Well the Germans at the time did have a response that this lies and so on but and the court records everything was done in a very unusual way at Nuremberg. Nuremberg was basically, there was a sham of an attempt for the, that the accused could have something to say, but they weren't really allowed access to, for example, they weren't allowed access to the evidence that the allies were using. Normally in a case, the accused know about the charge ahead of time, they know about the evidence ahead of time, and they have an opportunity to prepare their defense. The Germans weren't allowed access to any of the evidence, even when they knew, but There's evidence in those files that you've got that will prove our innocence on this and this point. They weren't allowed access to it. It was just basically, it was a tribunal. It was a show trial, like Stalin's show trials. And so at the time they said, but today Germans are quiet because if you dare say anything about this you'll be accused of being a Nazi and being anti-Semitic and it's not worth it. 55,000 Germans are in prison right now in Germany for questioning the Holocaust or questioning any of the versions of the Second World War. Because the crime in Germany, the Allies made a crime to such an extent that today in Germany if you want to question these things you've got to be super brave because even an 87-year-old grandmother Angela Havelock, gosh, she's gotten condemned to prison a hundred times for saying, look, this is all lies and you're accusing us of things we know the Soviets did. Chemists, biologists, archaeologists, scientists, historians thrown in prison because they won't accept the official version. When you think of how much was done in the Second World War, not just bombing Germany, incinerating cities, but looting all of their top scientists, They took over 2,400 scientists from Germany to America and that launched the space... I mean, everyone from Wernher von Braun's on. They took over shiploads of patents and technology over there. The looting of Germany by both the Soviet Union and the United States was colossal. And how do you justify that? Well, you've got to maintain the fact that we were the good guys and you... We're totally indefensible and there's nothing you can say for your side. So in Germany today, it's against the law. If you say, I've got evidence, or they say, if you just question us, you're really guilty. And so badly so, that not only are people in prison, like scientists and chemists, for doing something like... The scientific properties of Zyklon B, you know, the fumigating agent to kill lice, not only is the chemist who brought out a paper on this in prison, but the lawyer who defended him is in prison too. the lawyer in having to do what a lawyer's got to do, a woman's lawyer, in prison. I think Silvio Stoltz is it? But there's 55,000 Germans in prison, and Austrians, for questioning some aspects of Second World War. So right now the people in Germany are either silent or locked up. There's Alexander Solzhenitsyn. Did you say that the Germans uncovered those Polish graves? Yeah, originally. So how would Germans have uncovered their own? They made it known to the world, that's true, yes. That's true, if it was their crime, then you would have preferred to keep it buried. Yeah, that's true. But I mean, the Polish people never, ever, ever accepted this. And I was astounded, I mean, I speak to you tonight and I'm so confident about this all, but I mean bear in mind it's 28 years later. In 1990, I was 30 years old and I had only heard the Allied side. I had no idea there was another side. And so listen to these Polish Christians. It was actually quite shocking. I felt punched on, whirled. You know what I'm saying? You betrayed us. I mean, speaking like this with fingers in my face, I'm thinking, we're dead? I never knew anything about this. And interestingly enough, it brought to my mind, my dad had died by then. My father died in 1986, but he was a Second World War person. And despite his six years in the Second World War, he never said much about it. But you'd hear a comment now and then, it'd be a film, and he'd say, It wasn't like that. Or, I don't believe any of this. What? Any of this? What are you talking about? The trustees? You don't believe that happened? I don't believe the Germans did anything. I mean, this is somebody who fought in eight armies, six years. I didn't get much details, but there was just this general... and I've bumped into other moths and veterans all over the place, Canadians, Australians, people who fought in the Russian army, Ukrainians, all sorts. And over the years I've heard comments of just skepticism. Some of the people who went through the Second World War were just like, no, I don't believe it. And you don't know exactly why many of them aren't very communicative. But I've just found this pretty general pervasive through about 12 different armies, different nationalities. I've heard people personally say to me that I don't believe these things. I've got a book on the shelf here that comes from a Russian who was locked up for decades in Vladimir Popovsky. And he also, I was sitting with him in London in his home, And he is telling me, you know, all of this is lies. And that's just 1988. And suddenly this Russian is telling me it's all lies. What do you mean all lies? I mean, I'd seen with my own eyes in how many movies, so I knew the story and he's telling me it's all a pack of lies. So, Ed Solzhenitsyn, he wrote heavily on these things. Anyway, it's taken me a long time to process this, so I know for some people it might be a lot, but this is just one major event. which of course was blown up as a big propaganda lie on the other side for a long time, and it's been whittled away. But you just think, if people were using investigative journalism on this sort of level and applied it to other things, how many other edifices would collapse? How many others could stand up to the full light of serious, real investigative journalism? Most of the journalists we've got today, I think, aren't real journalists. I've heard the term prestitutes. A lot of the people who call themselves journalists today, they're just writing what they're told. And they're not doing their own investigative research, and they're not putting things that counter the narrative. And so they're not a real journalist. A real journalist is someone who prints even what people don't want to read. Because the truth may be uncomfortable, but tough. These are the facts. If we're willing to go in and we find the facts, let the facts fall where they may. Facts are stubborn things. So, any other comments or questions? So what do the current history books say? I mean, since this is even Russia, you know, even the Russian president acknowledges, not only acknowledges, but... That's a good question. I don't know if they've even changed the history books. I bet they're still about the same size. I am inclined to think if we go to, for example, Even some of our history books in there from Christian textbook providers like Bob Jones might even still have the old propaganda in there because I don't know how many of them caught up with it. How many of you have seen the search for the real Mount Sinai or read the book? Now, I mean, I'm pretty convinced Mount Sinai is in Saudi Arabia. I mean, Galatians says so, and the evidence is there. But how many of the Bibles that we've got on our shelves still have the old maps which show Mount Sinai in the middle of the Sinai Peninsula and not in Saudi Arabia, where the Bible actually says it is? They went out of Egypt. Now, Sinai has always been part of Egypt, including back then in the 14th century, 15th century. So a lot of our maps in our Bibles haven't caught up decades after they've actually proven, there's no doubt that all evidence is Jebel al-Lawz, there's Mount Sinai, it's actually the real Mount Sinai where the law was received is in Saudi Arabia, surrounded by barbed wire, no one's allowed to go with armed guards around, but still it's there with the scorched mountain and all the rest and the evidence is there from the pits, the altars, the the rock that's laser-cut, the evidence is huge. But it takes generations sometimes to catch up with and get right to the propaganda. So how did we come up with Mount Sinai smack in the middle of, or the place that we call Mount Sinai where the law was given, in the middle of the Sinai Peninsula? Well, because some monk had a vision and said this is where it was. They didn't do archaeological excavation. Similarly, you go to Jerusalem today and you've been there, right? Okay. So, if you want to go to the Catholic and Orthodox place where they say that the Lord was buried, then there's a colossal amount of churches and icons and everything built all over the thing and you can't even imagine what it used to look like. But General Charles General Charles Gordon, who was Commander General of the Cape at the Consulate at one stage, after getting kicked out of the Cape because he was pro-Boer and pro-Zulu when the British were having wars against him, and very unpopular for that, he went on his 14-month sabbatical in Palestine and he, studying the Bible and doing archaeological research, identified what's called Gordon's Calvary and Gordon's Tomb, or the Garden Tomb, and wonderfully, no Catholic or Orthodox edifice has been built of it, because the monks had identified this as the spot. Somebody had a vision. And so that's where they went. But the Protestants, we go to sites which were discovered through Bible study and archaeological investigation. And it fits. And it just shows that people can believe a lie for centuries. And in this case I'm glad they did, because otherwise you wouldn't even be able to recognize the sites that built all these superstitious mumbo-jumbo of these sites. But it's just an example. There was a false one that said we called it Orthodox Church, and it was a big black stone, and people would fall down. Well apparently there's fights between the Catholics and Orthodox priests sometimes over the sites and access to it at different times. It's a church, and whenever it's decided there's a Catholic... But apparently it's really peaceful going to the garden tomb and so on. I mean isn't that great? So I mean it just is a reminder of the fact that even on the central tenets of our faith, where was the law given and where did Christ die and where did he rise from dead and where's the empty tomb? I mean on something as simple as that, you've got a bunch of people going to the official version And I mean, it builds edifices over this. But then you've got the guy who actually just read his Bible and checked out the evidence and walks around. He says, well, actually, this looks like this fits better. It looks to me like General Gordon got it right, and the monks got it wrong. And the same with the people who looked for the real Mount Sinai. So it's this being willing to think outside the box or step outside and just look at the whole thing. For example, David Irving, famous historian of the Second World War, He walked into a press conference when Der Spiegel had just spent 6 million DM on buying Hitler diaries. Do you see up on the shelf we've got, just towards the top, there's a whole lot of Spurgeon journals. They're really beautiful, illustrated ones. So there were something like 26 of these leather-bound journals, diaries, stacked up there in front of them all. David Irving stands back and says, they're frauds. Now how can you say that? You haven't even examined it. He said, look at it. is all leather-bound, identical, 26 diaries. Are you telling me a penniless painter walked into a stationary shop in Vienna and says, I'll have 26 of those, please. And he carried them with him through four years in the First World War in the trenches of Ypres, while being gassed and so on, managed to keep them all, and they're all the same. You don't even have to look at it to know it's a fraud. How do you get... I mean, I can show you my diaries. They're all... they're almost all different because every couple of years, the ones you get. How is anybody going to have diaries that goes through the wars and so on that are all identical? Same paper and so on. So sometimes you don't even have to examine with a microscope. You can just stand back and take a wide-angle picture. What's wrong with this picture? Like, for example, the first thing the poll said to me about the Catan Forest Massacre, and I said, well, the Germans did in 1941. They said, do you know where Catan is on the map? And they brought out a map. I mean, I was looking, I was looking all over Poland. I've never seen a map of Katyn. They said, look over there, look towards Moscow. There's Katyn. No wonder they didn't show us a map of where Katyn is. It's closer to Moscow than it is to Warsaw. So, I mean, the moment I looked at the maps, I was, now it becomes really obvious. No wonder they don't tell you where it is on the map, because that would disprove the whole case. This is the kind of thing, just like when you look at where's Egypt? Moses led the children of Israel out of Egypt. Well, when you realize Sinai has always been part of Egypt, then how on earth can the mountain where the law was given, Jebel El Lawz, be in the middle of Sinai Peninsula in Egypt? If you look at the way how the Red Sea is, how could they have crossed that part, which is so close to Suez, where they could have just taking chariots and going around. They had to have been going out of Egypt totally and that's why when they discovered this land bridge just underneath the water which easily if you suddenly had a lot of wind could have cleared that they could have crossed over from the Sinai Peninsula tip across into what is today Saudi Arabia. I mean that makes sense but then all the archaeological digs proved that. So we've got to sometimes just look at the evidence and see where does the evidence lead us. And I mean, I can just think how many things where the facts point you in the opposite direction of the official version. I've got quite a few Polish friends who whenever we send out this Katan reminder, I get letters of very grateful Poles that there's somebody outside of Poland who understands and cares and remembers. And, you know, very, hospitable, lovely people. But boy has that country suffered. And the Poles, they were stabbed in the back. But can you imagine the fury when at the 70th anniversary the entire government dies in a plane crash, which nobody in Poland believes was an accident.