I was going back a while. What determines what our view
should be of everything in the world? What is it that defines
our worldview? The Bible. I like the Bible.
That was a good one. Yeah, yeah. I mean, God threw
the Bible. That's how he has revealed himself
to us. Yes. What? Oh golly, oh man, that's making
my head hurt. I don't know. Boy, that's a blanket
phrase. Oh man, the logic in me is going,
well, I don't know if I'd say it that way. Well, that's true,
yes. But that's talking specifically
about the second person of the Trinity, isn't it? least at the end it is. Never
mind. All right, we're not getting into that. We're not talking
about that. But the Bible, that's a good
answer. Yeah, God's Word gives us God's
authoritative opinions on everything, and presumably our opinions ought
to match his, you think? I hope you're all nodding with
me because If you disagree with that, we've got a lot of, you
know, backpedaling to do here. Yeah, so it's biblical authority
that has to govern our view of everything and that includes
stuff that everybody is fighting about today in our culture. Sex,
gender, appropriate roles for people, how much of a spectrum
people could really be on in terms of, you know, You know,
if you really want to call yourself a woman, but nobody would know
if they looked at a piece of you under a microscope that you
are a woman, are you one? You know. What? I was going to say, I'm going
to tell your grandpa right now. I'm bringing him in here. He's
taking over. Wow. Okay. Yeah. It's touchy because
honestly, I don't know. I've got a libertarian in my
soul somewhere. And there's a big part of me
that wants to say, why is this a big deal? Are they hurting
anybody? No, I didn't ask if they were
annoying people. Oh, my goodness. Lots of people
annoy me who aren't hurting me. Case in point. But no, I'm talking
about, no, but are they hurting anybody? Yes, the kids. What
kids? Whose kids? They're not kids.
They're trying to adopt people's kids. Well, some of them are trying
to adopt. Yeah, but what about the ones who don't? Well, yeah, what about them? Isn't that funny? See, that's
one of those stats that either we don't talk about it because,
you know, it goes against the world's idea of how this ought
to work. Because, you know, the world's
take on this is if you don't let them destroy their genitalia
and change their physical appearance in unalterable ways, they will
kill themselves. That's their take on it, isn't
it? Yeah, well, it is because, yeah, exactly. And how many people
regret it, especially the younger they start? I mean, yeah, you
got 13 year olds saying, I think I want to be a woman. And then
they turn 20, 21, and they're like, why am I attracted to women?
Why do I wish I could do things that I can't do now? Oh, because I was a stupid kid
who got confused because kids are confused, right? I mean,
everybody remembers being 13, 14, 15, right? It wasn't that
long ago for some of you. It was a very long time ago for
me, but I remember. That I was an idiot and I made
all sorts of stupid decisions, not about this in particular,
but lots of other things. I was not confused about my gender.
I've been a straight white guy as long as I can remember. So
anyway, but, but. Yeah, it's why is this such a
big deal? Why did? Because the world, their
own psychologists and psychiatrists were filling up the DSM. You
know what the DSM is? Oh, boy. Oh, shoot. I don't know
what the DSM is. Diagnostic S Manual. It's basically the handbook that
describes every known current psychiatric disorder. And it
sort of defines what everybody thinks right now. It may or may
not be true, but it defines, you know, like, well, one example
that a lot of people have heard about is, you know, they had
autism for a long time in there. And then for a while, 10, 15
years, maybe, they actually split that out. And so there's autism
as a spectrum, but we're going to call it autism and then Asperger's
or high functioning. Have you heard about this stuff?
Do you know? OK, good, good. Yeah. Hey, somebody responded
to me. You're all just looking at me like, what? Okay. And then now they, I think they
threw Asperger's right out the window again now, and it's just
a spectrum. It's high functioning, low functioning. It's, you know, with this set
of symptoms, with that set of symptoms, it's become just this
huge cloud. Whether, you know, whatever you
think about autism, I have opinions and I haven't really figured
it all out myself, but... You know what Hannah told me?
She told me that what's, or not autism, what's that thing that
all the kids have now? ADHD? I don't know. I don't know how
far back that one goes. I don't know. ADHD was called
ADD for decades before that. I don't know. But yeah, it's
really changed. And honestly, I gotta be honest.
Okay, this is a tangent. I will get back off of it. But
really, seriously, brains are plastic. And the things that
happen to you in your childhood really have a big effect on the
way you think and the way you feel in your life. That's a real
thing. It's part of the... I think that's because of the
fall. It's, you know, the effects of sin on the world. But you
know, there are real depressions that probably the only way you
can deal with them is to give them drugs. I, you know, I don't
want to do that nearly as much as a normal psychiatrist would
want to do it. Personally, I believe Jesus heals. I don't know. Oh, do you think that that's
like really controversial? What? I don't think drugs are
needed without Jesus. Oh, ever. I mean, some people
might like need them, but I think they don't need them because
it's possible through Jesus for them to be healed, period. OK. All right. So are you saying
that it's OK? Is it? Hang on. I gotta go after
this. I have to. No, no, no. I mean, not because you're wrong,
but I want to understand exactly what you mean by that. Are you
saying that they are sinning and that's why this has happened?
No. You're saying that they do have a brain problem, but Jesus
could heal it. Yes, that I hope everybody believes is true. That's
true of every medical problem in the world. Sometimes he saves
them anyway. I mean, sometimes he heals them
anyway. It's crazy. You know, he healed 10 lepers.
Only one came back and said, thanks. Seriously, I was in the
Bible. OK, I mean, you know, yeah, I
you know, we're supposed to pray for we're supposed to pray for
unbelievers to get well. That's no guarantee that they'll
become believers, even if it's crazy miraculous getting well,
you know? Anyway, but okay now, okay. So you're saying it's not, it's
not always their sin that's making them that way. It can very well
be their brain that is, you know, problematic here, but no, that's
okay. See, now you just changed the
terms again. What's the difference between
your brain and the flesh? Will you have a brain after the
resurrection? Maybe. Maybe? Do you have one now? What
if I don't have a brain? What if I have a new, special,
better, like... Are you a zombie? Oh golly. Okay,
this is stretching. I'm pretty sure that we're gonna
wreck... Did Jesus have a brain? He was recognizable as a human
being. I don't think, I am almost positive
that that's not how it works. Does it? All the time? It's like they're drugging him. I'm not saying that the way we
dose these things is good. I'm not saying that we know anything
about drugs or brains, really. Because I don't think we really
understand much. And he's still failing kindergarten. I don't think kindergarten you
need to be on. Well, yeah, I agree with that.
I think you could give them some time because sometimes people... He's a child and you're putting
him on drugs. Yeah, the plasticity of the human
brain, it takes, what, up to a decade really to get into its
big patterns and the rest of adolescence to settle down. Okay. 25. Wow. Yeah. That's what they
call it. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. The microphone.
Oh no. Don't get into PFAS man. You know, Collinsville sent us a
letter saying that, Oh, by the way, we're like way out of, way
out of spec for this. And there's a ton of plastic
in our water and we have to tell you, Anyway, all right, so we're going
to stretch back a couple of points here. This is not bad, even though
it is way off topic. No, it's a good thing to think
about. Presumably, you guys are going to have kids someday, right?
Is that the plan, I hope? It better be, because if it's
not, I'm coming after you. I mean, smart people and believers have
to start having children. Okay? They have to. How in the
world are we going to have a kingdom that just prospers and is fruitful
like God commanded if we stop having kids? Everybody thinks,
oh, wait till I'm 30, and then they wait till they're 30, and
oh, we still don't have enough money, and then they're 35, and she's
not fertile anymore. Absolutely. Yeah. Do it while
you have energy. Do it while you're still young.
Yeah, I know. If you have them when you're
30, they're still going to be teenagers when you're pushing
50. And you're going to be like, I can't do this. I would say
a ton of people get married at 30, though, so they don't really
have a choice. That's insane to me. See, that's why marriage
ought to be pushed earlier. Well, it's not my fault. I'm going to push 30, guys. Well,
someday. It's not soon. You just got out
of high school. No, I'm saying trust me. Don't even. No, you can't feel it in your
soul. Stop giving me that. Jesus can surprise people. Thank God. I wasn't even 30 when
I met the one the Lord had for me. I was 25. I was getting there. She's a lot younger though. She's
a lot younger than me. She couldn't even drink when
we got together. Anyway, but I wasn't saved and I'm just glad
was behind me anyway on this. Yeah. All right. So, uh, oh wow. We almost circled back to the
point. What? Since it's 10 to 10. Yeah. All right. Uh, Boy, I really want to keep going.
No, no, no. We're not going to do that. Maybe, I don't know.
I thought about switching out one of the two things that's
coming. Maybe we will. I don't know. I think these are
good things to think about. Well, again, because you guys
are going to have kids and you're going to have to face some of this stuff. You're going
to have to wonder. You've got a ton of decisions
to make about things like, how are we going to school them?
Are we going to put them into a school? What are we going to do here? Who
are we entrusting them to all the time? Are we going to keep
working? Are we going to have money if we don't? That kind
of thing. I don't know. There's a lot coming.
I don't want to scare you. And a lot of it, you may think
you can prepare for it and some things are just a total surprise.
Okay, I didn't, I never knew we were gonna have to deal with
this. Golly, how many times did we say that? Anyway. All right. So, okay, back to the point.
I will get back there. The Lord has given us his opinion
of all of this stuff. You know, whether or not you
can call yourself a woman if you, you know, don't have the
parts. In fact, you have the parts for
not a woman, a man, in fact. But again, we got off the tangent because
I asked the question, who are they hurting? Themselves. Themselves? Oh, wow. Should we
stop them from hurting themselves? Yes. You can always tell the preacher
family. Hurting themselves is a subjective
view, but we should definitely stop them from mutilating themselves.
Oh, I agree. Yeah, yeah. I would love it if
the Hippocratic Oath, you know, included something about, you
know, and I'm not going to perform unnecessary surgery on people
who are just confused. You know, I mean, there's kind
of all kinds of crazy body dysmorphia is out there. It isn't just sex
and gender, you know? Yes. Yeah, a mental problem. Where do mental problems come
from? For most people. I'm not talking about stuff we
were talking about before. I'm talking about the mental problems of
unbelievers in general. Where did that come from? Yes,
Romans one. Yeah. Yeah. God gave them over
to a depraved mind, a broken, messed up, twisted against him
mind to do worse and worse and worse and worse things because,
you know, they traded him in ages ago to worship creation
themselves, what they love, what they like in this world and not
him. And so he said, fine, I'll just, you know, why don't you
go whole hog? you know, jump right in there.
Let's see what happens. And this is what happens. And
they received in their bodies the due penalty of their errors,
to quote Paul from Romans 1. I remember when the AIDS epidemic
was happening and every Christian in the world was saying, is that
what Paul was talking about? Somewhat, I think, maybe. Yeah,
I mean, yeah, yeah. And it doesn't matter that now,
you know, these people can live lives and never get to the AIDS
point because of antivirals, retrovirals and all that nonsense.
But still, that's not the point. They wouldn't have had the problem
in the first place if they hadn't been sinning. Never mind. All
right. Biblical authority is what governs our views on this
stuff. Yeah, all this stuff. Even if
they don't seem to be hurting anybody. And it gets tough because,
you know, do you guys have any friends who are gay or transgender
or any of that stuff? I mean, you don't have to tell
me who. I've got a couple of bisexual friends. Bi's? Okay. All right.
Kind of. But there's like a difference between like a friend and a friend. They're like side friends. I don't even know these categories.
I thought I was up on things. I know so many people, I only
have so many of them that I actually want to have an influence over
me in my life. They're like friends that I see
every now and again. He dates girls predominantly,
but he's like... That's what all girls say. They're
like, I'm bisexual. And then I've dated like ten
men and like maybe one girl for two months. You're not bisexual.
You're just crazy. Yeah, and it presents a little
differently in men and women, honestly. I think a lot of women
who call themselves lesbians, the fact is women want affection
and they want somebody to be nice to them and they don't think
they're ever going to find that in a man anymore. Because it's not
so much about the sex with them, for the most part, when you talk
to them. Some, yeah, they're way out there, but the majority
aren't. But in men, it's really A hard
twist in nature. It's a weird, hard twist. I mean,
and I'm not just saying that because I'm a man and I'm horrified
by the whole idea. And I am. The ick factor is very
strong on this one, you know? I tell people, don't hate on
homosexuality because of the ick factor. Hate on it because,
hate on it, not them, because God says it's an abomination
to him. And what's, why? Why does he
call it an abomination? Oh, that's not bad. You can't
ever have kids. Well, yeah, it actually does.
It thwarts the whole purpose that God made all of this stuff
on. Yeah, yeah, you can't really
do that. Yeah. Oh, well, yeah, I was going to
say, if we invent homosexual marriage, it's not. And there
are evangelical Christians who call themselves reformed and
conservative who are out there saying, I should be able, I,
a guy, should be able to live with another guy. And we have
a relationship and all that stuff. We just won't call it marriage.
But, you know, I was born this way, so I should be able to do
that. I'm not hurting anybody. Maybe
we won't even do anything sexual because, you know, we both are,
you know, we believe in the Bible and we know that sodomy actually
is an abomination. So we won't do that, but we're
still going to have this loving relationship. So is that okay?
A number of Presbyterians in St. Louis are saying yes at Covenant
Seminary of all places, you know, the local flagship. Oh golly, yeah, yeah, and that's,
that's funny. That one's always a hilarious
one because for one thing, you know, he didn't. I mean, I'm
sorry, but now you, the fall may have messed you up pretty
good, even in that particular way. The fall, we have no idea
how much it's messed us up. I mean, because we live in it
all the time. We're just in the muck, so we
don't even know how far the muck goes sometimes, you know? You're
gonna spend the whole rest of your life realizing, oh my gosh,
I've been looking at this all wrong, you know? In every way
of your life, not just these major things that other people
have problems with. But yeah, that's real. Anyway, the whole idea that he
made them that way or allowed them to be that way because they've
given up on all this stuff. They say, oh yeah, it's SSA now. They don't even call it homosexuality
or lesbianism or abomination or a grievous sin. What they call it is same-sex
attraction. SSA. We have a problem with SSA.
I'm SSA and I've been SSA my whole life. and uh you know what
are you laughing because i'm saying it or are you like what
are you just hilarious oh well i didn't listen God defined this stuff and it's
part of the creation he called good, right? I mean, he made
Adam, he saw that Adam needed something more, and this was
all part of his plan, but he let Adam figure it out. Isn't
that interesting? You know, everything else he makes and it's just exactly
right, but he made Adam And Adam within a day or two, I think,
is looking around going, OK, I figured out all this animal
stuff, animal kingdom stuff works. There's something missing here.
Yeah, yeah. I need something. I need, you
know, he didn't find a helper suitable for him, is what the
Bible says, what Moses wrote. Yes? A dog is man's best friend. I don't even want to talk about
that in this context. What are you saying? No, don't
tell me what you're saying. I don't want to know. Good heavens. All right. No, I know what you're
saying. Anyway. But yeah, so the Lord
puts him to sleep, takes part of his side out and makes a woman
out of that. And why in the world didn't he
just get the dirt together and breathe into it again? That's
a great question. Huh? Yeah, for one thing, it
would be sort of like that. Yeah, I mean, even if he made
it a female Adam, it's like it'd be Adam and Adamina or something. It wouldn't really be something
that came out of Adam. Adam is the source of everything
Eve was. because God made her out of him. And so, you know, they're not
only are they one flesh and you can't have one flesh if he made
two different fleshes and jammed them together. He took the one
flesh and divided it into, you know, in some way, the two people.
And I'm not saying that Adam was androgynous before this happened. I think he was male and he was
like, um, um, I don't want to tell you,
you forgot something. but I'm not seeing it here. You know? So, and that, I don't
know, there's something cool about that, because the fact
is, this is really the biggest point, and you have to take this
away if you don't take away anything else. What is the reason why
he made us male and female? Why did he do that? He could
have, we could have reproduced asexually. We could have, you
know, people could have sprung from the mind of somebody else,
like Jupiter and Minerva. I mean, you know, anything could
have happened. But he decided to do it this
way. male and female, and the male
and female are in specific roles that he created, an authority
hierarchy, which is lately the big thing I've drum, I've been
pounding on for a couple of years now around here, but I mean,
it's the thing we miss the most sometimes about scripture, that
everything in God's kingdom is this hierarchy. He loves that.
He loves being at the top of it. And that's okay, since he
made it, he can do that. No, seriously, and it's not a
bad thing because he's perfect and he's good and he means well,
you know, he doesn't just mean well, he accomplishes good. He's
not just, you know, well, I tried. Anyway, but why? Why did he do
it? It's because he's trying to force us to recognize relationships
that go all the way up to the Godhead in some way. Adam and Eve, Eve is a part of
Adam, and Eve submits to Adam, and there is something in that
that's very similar to how the Trinity works. I mean, it's not
a sexual thing with them, but you know, the Father and the
Son, to say that they are Father and Son means that Jesus proceeds
from the Father in some way. but he didn't start someplace.
There isn't a point where there wasn't a second person of the
trinity and then the father says, you know what, I'm going to have
a son. There he is, you know, that never happens. There is
no creation of the son. Now he incarnated and then he
was born and all that other stuff happened, you know, the whole
Christmas story and Jesus on the earth and forevermore he will
be a human being with that story as part of his. But that's not
the beginning of him. The beginning of him is way back
when he created the world because according to Paul, he's the one
who did the work. He was the creator. People say,
heck, our apostles' creed says that God the Father created the
heavens and the earth. And in fact, God the Father, I'm pretty
sure, had the will and the plan, and then Jesus, and then, I'm
sorry, the Son, he wasn't Jesus yet, he hadn't been born yet,
but the Son executed that plan. And it's according to Paul, he
says, in him, and by him, and for him, and through him, and
to him are all things. Everything in him holds together.
The whole reason the universe doesn't fly apart because positives
and negatives don't stick is because, no, they do stick. It's
the same, nevermind. I don't have my electricity anymore.
But the whole reason why the universe doesn't just fly apart
is because the Son of God is always maintaining the will of
God and putting forth infinite, eternal effort to keep it together.
And he doesn't even have to think about it. He doesn't have to
sweat it. He doesn't go, oh no, I almost forgot and let the universe
go. Never happens. Anyway, but they have a relationship. One of them submits to the other,
but they're both God. and from the Father and the Son
proceed the Spirit. And He has a relationship with
them and it's all part of this whole, you know, there's a submission,
there's a hierarchy, there's an authority, but they're all
the same. They share in glory and equality
and glory and power and majesty in some ways. You know, even
though they all sort of person it out differently, you know,
the kingdom belongs to Jesus, the son, because his father gave
it to him. And in the end, it tells us he
will give the kingdom back to his father. He's going to present
it to him like, you know, okay, the mission is complete. History
is done. Everything has been gone according
to your plan. The church is here with me, reigning
and ruling in this kingdom. Here you go. I don't know what
happens after that. I imagine Jesus still reigns
there, but I don't know. It doesn't say. But all of that
is imaged in these relationships. And the more we stay away from
them, you know, people who say, OK, who knows what a MGTOW is? A what? MGTOW. M-G-T-O-W. Heard the term? Men going their
own way is what it stands for. It's all of the red-pilled, goofy,
idiot men in cells, et cetera, who, you know. No woman is worthy
of me. Yeah, yeah, yeah, if I do anything
with a woman it will be to use her and cast her aside because
it's just not worth it. Yeah, usually those aren't MGTOs,
but yeah, MGTOs are usually the losers, honestly. I hate to say
it, but seriously, you know, they're the, you know, or the
ones who got burned, you know, because again, divorce is a terrible
thing. And but the effect of it is largely
that fairly often, you know, the woman shows up into the union
with nothing and gets to walk away with fabulous prizes as
soon as she's done. Right. I mean, most, you know, that's
how 50% of the marriages end in this country. Yeah. And you can see why MGTOs would
be mad about that, except, you know, you can't be a Christian
in a MGTO, honestly, because, you know, you're saying, you
know, that you don't need any relationships. You don't, you
don't, you do not depend upon anybody. You do not need to have
authority over anybody. And certainly nobody has authority
over you. And yeah, that's just opposite
everything. Paul even said, you know, look,
I want you guys to be single minded about the gospel like
I am. So if you can be single, that's awesome. But clearly he
doesn't think that's normal. He doesn't think that the vast
majority of his readers are going to have a shot at being like
that. He says it's better to marry than to burn. You know,
you know, you're going to want a woman. You might as well. Go God's way and get one, you
know? And then, you know, really, there's
so much blessing and glory in all that, just that we enjoy
in this world even. I'm sure YouTube, they're all
about that. They're starting to learn about
it to me, right? You know, we've got over 25 years of it. And
every day, I think, Lord, how in the world did you give me
this? You didn't have to do anything for me, and you died for me,
and that's great, but sometimes I'm a little bit more a God,
not that he died for me, but that he gave me her, because
nobody should have to put up with me. I mean, look at me,
look at me, I'm bouncing off the walls here, I'm crazy. Anyway. There's just you know, it's funny
that this thing that God kind of demands of us as people to
be in these relationships They're the things that You know, they're
the things that bless us and make us happy too. Isn't that
great? Boy, isn't that funny if you do what the Creator designed
you to do it works Who would have thought You know,
and marriage is the ultimate version of Christ and the church.
If the church were just like Christ, masculine because he's
masculine, let us imagine for a moment the horror of the homosexual
marriage between Christ and the church. That doesn't even make
sense because he has to rule over her. Because she's a mess. We're sinners. We had to be saved,
right? I mean, we needed Him. But it's only in Him that we're
going to realize all of the blessing and the glory of the kingdom
of God forever and ever. We are reigning with Him. Everything
He inherits as the Son of God, He gives it to us, too. Because
it's a marriage where it's community property. Everything in that
marriage is community property. You get the kingdom along with
him. You sit on the throne with him according to scripture. You
get to do all of this and be a part of all of this. And while
he's lifting you up and saying, isn't my bride beautiful? You're
sitting there glorifying him saying, my God is the best. You know, he is, he is the most
awesome being in all of creation because he was the one who created
it. You don't get any of that stuff if you don't have a marriage
that is based on normal sexual roles and relationships. That's
why he drove us to this. That's why he made us want it. Yeah, because he did, right?
I mean, you know, again, I don't expect you to know down there
because, you know, you are still, you know, you're young and you
haven't done any of this stuff, right? But, you know, the rest
of us, we understand. You know, there's a point at
which you looked at that other person and said, I gotta have that person.
You know, we're not doing, you know, the goal of my life at
this point is to finish what we started here and make this
a thing. forever if we can, you know.
Thank God that's, well, forever, at least in this world. That's
how it works. I'm not going to try to explain what Jesus says
about marriage in the next world. I don't understand it either.
But anyway, you know, gender, sex, it's created. It's not constructed.
He made them male and female. He made them like that. Gender
is an expression of your God-given identity. You know, the law of
Moses, which is a lot of what tells us about the character
of God, expressly forbids cross-dressing even. You know, even if you were
a straight drag queen, which I don't see how that works. But,
you know, there were people used to claim to be that. It's not
so much anymore, but they used to, you know. I don't think you
see that anymore. But you can't be. The Lord's like, no, no, no.
Don't even pretend to switch roles with somebody else because
you're dishonoring my creation and my plan and my way and my
character by doing that. So stop. You know, First Corinthians
11 talks about, and I won't run through all the passages now
because we're almost out of time, but 1 Corinthians 11 has these gender
distinctions between men and women that are even honored in
cultural things. You know, Paul says that, you
know, basically, essentially, to sum it all up, women should
have long hair. They shouldn't cut it. And they
should keep their heads covered. And men should not have long
hair and should not cover their head. I don't know what you make of
that passage because honestly, I mean, you know, you guys are
doing okay, but not all of us have been. You know, when I met
her, my hair was down to here. It was. I had a ponytail all
the way back, right? Yeah, it's true. I know, fat
guy with a ponytail, it's the worst thing. Anyway, um, but,
uh, you know, the aging hippie is what I look like all the time.
Not as bad as, never mind, I'm not going to talk about him.
All right. But, uh, yeah, Paul would have looked at me and been
like, that's wrong. And it's weird because honestly
in our day and age, I don't personally care about one hair on a guy.
I don't care. I don't know whether that matters.
But there is a cultural distinction. If a guy shows up in a dress,
you're like, no, that's messed up. Do you remember that? It
happened once. Oh, that was a few years back.
Oh, that was a while ago. Golly, all of a sudden, my memory
just, I totally forgot about that. Wow, golly, that was a
long time ago. I don't even, yeah, I was, yeah. I don't, I don't even know what
to say. All right. Anyway, but yeah, go ahead. Oh yeah. So yeah.
What do you make of that? What did you think? Yeah. So
what is that? What is that about? What do you
think? I have no clue. It's in, isn't it? It's Genesis
2.26. Genesis 2.26 said they become
one flesh. That's true, yeah. Yeah, and it's kind of hard to
figure out how one flesh works when there's like three wives
or four wives or whatever. Yeah, and so like, no, we're
one flesh. Well, one and a half. Well, you
know, I don't know. It depends on where I am and
what the fraction is that day. Yeah, what? What does that mean?
I don't know. It's true. It messes with the pattern. See,
that's the thing. You didn't see the law against
it, because I don't think there really is a law against it per
se, but you saw the pattern. That's good. That's wisdom. You're
saying, yeah, but I know what God wants, regardless of what
happened or how God brought these things about. It's obvious what
he wanted, and it's obvious from the beginning. Like you said
it exactly right. That was excellent. Yeah. Kel,
I'm sorry. Yeah. Oh yeah, that's true. No,
good. No, I'm saying good job. I love
it when people actually, you know, get something out of the
word of God. Because it can't just be us doing it. Good heavens.
You can't leave it to us. We're old people. I don't know
what's going on. Calvin pointed out John Calvin,
you know the guy who wrote the Institute Pointed out like 500
years ago that polygamy doesn't work because because of that
one flesh thing, you know and Paul goes out of his way to say
when he's talked to the Corinthians and Corinth is like, you know,
I Don't know Portland. It's a you know, it's crazy anything
goes in Corinth honestly Portland, Oregon, you know the whole You
know, you know, anything could happen. Yeah. Yeah. So. And and he told them because
he had to tell them, apparently, you guys have to stop having
sex with prostitutes. But he gave a reason, he said,
because, you know, you you belong to Jesus Christ. You are one
with Jesus Christ. So, but when you're having sex
with a prostitute, you're one flesh with her. So you're taking
Christ and bringing him into that? Do you think that's okay? That's a good question, you know.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And that's the thing. See, again, Calvin not pointing
to the law, but pointing to the implications of God's pattern
like you did. He points out the same thing. And, you know, that's going to
be true of polygamy, too, though. Calvin said, how can you basically,
you know, he says that your body belongs to her and her body belongs
to you. I mean, you are not the owner
of your body in marriage anymore. The other one is. It complicates
things. it does yeah but I've got a claim on that too because
I'm married to him as well it's it well you know the best
Jacob Jacob's wives you saw I mean you read that right I mean yeah
they I mean they're sisters oh can you imagine marrying sisters
I mean yeah they're fighting already and before they even
met you Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then having another baby,
and then having another baby. And she's not the one he wanted.
She's not. She's not. It's Liam. He was
after Rachel. And boy, I would love to. I have never heard a really great
explanation of how in the world he went ahead and went through
with it with the wrong one. And I think half the commentators
are like, well, how drunk was he? Or how dark was the tent? And it's like, come on, you wouldn't
know. Anyway, anyway. Oh, go ahead, go ahead. So in Christianity, or Catholicism,
they like to label different sins as it does mention different levels
of sin, but it doesn't ever mention mortal, grave sin. You're going
to purgatory. You are exactly right about all
of that. So it's lethalism, isn't it?
It's like you're just going to doctrine. Yeah, yeah. By making
these little distinctions, and they make it so that, you know,
and we here in the church could easily forgive these little things,
as long as you're in good standing with us. You know, but these
other things, well, that's going to take a lot more. But again,
you know, for the Catholic Church, they're the ones who hand out
the grace along with the bread and the wine and confession and
all that nonsense. That's penance and all, you know.
So, yeah, that may, you know, these are all ways to get them
jammed into the middle between Christ and you so that they can
be the priests, they can be the mediators, and they can, you
know, Grab a little bit of the money going and coming Honestly,
that's the Catholic Church right there power authority money.
They want they you know And in some cases sex. Yes, you did
Well, I don't know some other heretic what I mean, I don't
know I don't know. I don't care. Oh, golly, that
would be weird. I mean, I think they're going
to swing back a little bit, honestly, because Francis really freaked
out the conservatives. There's so many really strong
Catholics who have been like, yeah, yeah, he's the holy father.
Yeah, yeah, he's infallible. I don't want to talk about it,
man. You know, something about them saying that the some do
not take up this trust. They don't like the anti. They
say that every time. Hey, Luther said that. Martin
Luther said the Pope was the Antichrist. Yes. The 1689 London
Baptist Confession of Faith says the Pope is the Antichrist. And
we don't subscribe to either of those confessions, by the
way. I mean, I don't know if he will be or not, but I'm not
going to make that statement that far ahead of time. I don't
know. But he's not a good guy. He's not, you know, I don't think
there's been a saved pope since the ones who never called themselves
popes, you know, Peter. All right. All right. Real quick, though.
No, that was I think the polygamy thing is a really good point.
I wanted to bring that up months ago, and I never think I circled
back around to it. He had three girlfriends. That's
kind of I mean, well, especially in this day and age, huh? Oh, so it's a big poly thing Yeah, yeah sure Yeah, because
because oh, I'm sure yeah Reminds me of the old Seinfeld, you know,
he's like, you know, they're trying to get he's trying to
get off dating one person by going with another you know to
switch out for her roommate and And he decides to do it by freaking
her out and saying, well, actually, I want both of you. And he thinks
that that's going to drive the one he doesn't want away. And
then maybe he can make it up with the other one again. And
then he finds out they're both into it and he's got to back
out. He's like, no, I can't be an orgy guy. He's like, I just,
no, no. He's like, I can't, you know,
I'll have to get robes. I'll have to grow a mustache.
I can't do that. That's what it reminds me of
though. See, people kind of instinctively know deep down that this is messed
up. That is the ultimate, you know, just throw it all up into
the air, make it just a cloud, make it mean anything you want,
because we can change everything. The funny part is I met him in
my sociology class. Of course he was in there. Well, you had
to take sociology, why were you in there? Are you looking into
this or no? Anyway, all right. Well, I think
we're out of time. But anyway, that was, I thought,
actually, that went really well. Thank you for chiming in so much,
all of you. So anyway, yeah, dismissed. Get
to church.