The following program is recorded content created by The Truth Network. It's Matt Slick Live! Matt is the founder and president of the Christian Apologetics Research Ministry, found online at karm.org. When you have questions about Bible doctrines, turn to Matt Slick Live for answers. Taking your calls and responding to your questions at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. Everybody welcome to the show it's me Matt Slick in your list of Matt Slick live if you are so inclined you can give me a call that is easy just dial 877-207-2276 and I can get you on the air and today's date is March 24th 2025 for the podcasters and also just so you know we have the show that is broadcast on Rumble.com. Rumble.com. You've got to excuse me because all of a sudden, about 10 minutes before the show, I got really sleepy. It happens sometimes, so just bear with me. I've got some coffee so that I can drink it. Hold on, here's some coffee. Oh yeah, that was good. So there you go. I want to hear from you. If you want to give me a call, we have one caller coming in at 877-207-2276. You can also email me. That is easy. Just direct an email to info at CARM.org, info at C-A-R-M dot O-R-G. And put the subject line, radio comment, radio question. Now, as you know, or you may know, I work six days a week. On Sundays, I take the Sunday off. But on Saturdays, you know, I work not a full day. I just kind of work-ish, but I do definitely do stuff, and then do other things, too. And I was researching penal substitutionary atonement in the church fathers, and it was interesting. I found, I'm still going through them, lots of quotes that support that. And I just did today a search on baptismal regeneration. And almost all the church fathers will teach that baptism is part of salvation. How about that? And it just tells me they went wrong early. Hey, let's get to Dalton from Dayton, Ohio. Welcome, brother. You're on the air. Yes. Howdy. Howdy. Hi. All right, man. What do you got, buddy? You there? Yes. Yes. Um, I was, we just had a discussion on, um, was kind of a discussion on the end of times and on Matthew 24. Uh, but I was just wanting to get your, um, opinion and your, um, point of view on what, what you might think about that. Um, well, uh, My view is not in the majority of people of America. Most people believe that there's going to be a subject of tribulation. I agree. But they teach that, most people teach that before the tribulation, a rapture will occur. I deny that. I believe we go through the tribulation period. And then most people teach that after the seven year tribulation, there's going to be a literal 1,000 year reign. It'll be 1,000 years. And I don't affirm that. I do not believe that's the case. I believe the 1,000 years is a figurative term. that is used in figurative context in Revelation 20 and that we're not going to take it literally because the term thousand, like one thousand, is used in figurative context. God owns the cattle on a thousand hills. One day is but a thousand years. He'll be bound for a thousand years. You know, things like that. And so it just seems to me to be figurative in that. I can get in a lot more depth on these things, but I've done a lot of studies on it. That's my position. Okay, yeah, yeah, that's very good. Yeah, that's exactly pretty much where we was kind of pointing to, about the Thousand-Year Reign, and I mean, how we have misinterpreted the Bible so much already that maybe, you know, this is all, I guess you would call it symbolism, about, you know, about the girl on the dragon and their revelations and You know the stars how this talk about the stars will be expressed in the sky and maybe do you think maybe that is a little bit of Symbolism I think there's symbolism and literalism kind of woven in we won't note how much to what? But the stars falling it doesn't literally mean all the stars the way we define stars I remember watching that guy the astrophysicist black guy. He's really good. I like watching him And he made a comment with the Bible, he said, it's just wrong, the stars aren't going to fall. We know the stars aren't going to fall. And he doesn't understand the biblical context, that stars mean those points of light that are out there. And that those things, that's just the category they used, that there's going to be things falling from the heavens. And so I believe that's gonna happen actually literally happen, but literal star planets. I mean like stars But so there's figurative use but something's gonna come out of heaven Just one more thing I'm sorry, but another thing that got brought to the point that last night was I They were talking about maybe, or Jesus was talking about, you know, you're going to be persecuted. You know, days are coming where Daniel the prophet, you know, was speaking. And then, well, somebody was mentioning that after Jesus, you know, was resurrected, that there was a 40-year period after that, that all of that had already taken place. Oh, that's called preterism. Yeah, that's called preterism. And they teach, preterists teach, that Jesus returned in 70 A.D. with the destruction of Jerusalem. That could be easily proven false. Very easily. Yes, yes. We had some very deep conversation about that, too, on just how that's what, you know, many scholars, you know, some, to some of them, you know, don't really believe in that, honestly. Don't really believe what? That, about Jesus being resurrected and then those, that 40-year, I guess, prophecy coming through. Yeah, it's to say, you know, Jesus said that this generation will not pass away until all these things. And they say, see, that has to be that generation right then. Not necessarily, but the generation that is alive when these signs are happening at the end times. There's another view called partial preterism. And what that does is it says that what was spoken of at Christ's first coming will be fulfilled then and again at the second. So it's called partial preterism. That view is within orthodoxy, but full preterism is not, because it is clearly refuted by Acts 1.9-11. Because they say, the preterists say that Jesus returned in the armies of Jerusalem to destroy Jerusalem. But that's not what the Bible says. He will return from the sky and from the clouds. That's what that says in Acts 1, 9-11. So the full preterists get it wrong, alright? Yes, yes. Thank you so much, I really appreciate it. your expertise on that, and I really appreciate it. And I'm listening to you on a daily basis on my way home. I really appreciate it. But that's all the time that I'll take up from you, and I'll let somebody else hop in on there. All right, brother. Well, we appreciate you listening. And you always give the station an email saying, hey, man, enjoy the station, and things like that. And they always like to hear that, OK? So if you want. Yes. It's cool. Take care, and God bless. You too, man. God bless. Hey, if you do want to comment on any of the shows that you're listening, because you listen to me, listen to others, you can go to The Truth Network. Let's see, The Truth Network or The Truth Network. Let me see. I think it's just, no, it's Truth Network. That's what it is. The Truth Network, just truthnetwork.com. And you can just email and say, hey, I really enjoy the shows or whatever it is. And you can do that. OK, truthnetwork.com. All right, if you want to give me a call, the number is 877-207-2276. Let's get back to this guy named Jermaine. Who is that guy? Hey, man, you're on. Hey, Matt. Ironically, the concept of time came up, and I want to ask you to develop a thought. I thought I heard you say to a caller once that I think he tried to say that God existed outside of time and, you know, correct me if I'm wrong, I thought I heard you say, we don't know that. But I was just looking through the Bible and there's nothing that really identifies, you know, concretely how God views time other than, you know, he can pretty much do what he wants. He's omnipotent. But couldn't we kind of ascertain that God operates outside of what we think we know of as time, just based on how he moves throughout the scriptures? Well, I'm a little bit of a stickler for phrases and things like that. And I used to say God was outside of time until I started thinking about it. What does it mean to be outside of time? I have no idea. You know, is it possible to be outside of time? Well, what is time? And so we get into some difficulties defining exactly what time is, because there's a lot of debate. It seems to be a continuous sequence of events over passage from one to here, as we call for the past to the future. But is time an actual thing? These are just discussions that people have. Is it actually like a substance, like a rock is a thing? A thought is a thing? Is time a thing? Or is it not a thing, it's just something we've invented as a concept to measure? Because one minute is a measurement from a point to another point of duration. So when we say God is outside of time, I don't know what it means. And so I can't say that he exists outside of time. There's absolute time, there's block universe time, there's called presentism, theory A, theory B. So people just don't know. I just say God relates to time differently than we do. And if someone said, well, what does that mean? I'd say, I'm not exactly sure. Because that's just me. I don't know what it means. I don't. So does time exist in his nature? It would if he made a decision. But then we have problems. You see, if he makes a decision, it's a change of state of mind. And a change of state of mind means one event follows another event. We can say that's a measurement of time. But then again, if God knows all things eternally, how can he have a change in a mental state of how he decides? So there's problems, enigmas, paradoxes we can get into about all of it. And that's why I say, I don't know how it works. Okay. Okay. Well, you know, I think that's actually very fair since you explained your position and just giving your explanation. I think that would logically have to be most of our positions if we're going to really think things through, because we don't actually know what time is. We just know how to mark, you know, certain times and periods during the days and whatnot. But I know I was, you know, a friend of mine in the Philippines. One day she said, Merry Christmas. I'm like, it's not Christmas yet. What are you talking about? I keep forgetting she's on the other side of the world. Right. And for her, It was Christmas for me. It was not, but we're all still on the same planet. So, you know, I guess it would just depend on how you recognize time. Well, that just shows you time. It can be affected, so to speak. Our understanding of time can be affected by context. And then I can say to you, what time is it? For me, it's 416 and eight seconds. I don't know what time it is for you, probably 316 and 8 seconds, because you're out there. And we're just having different times related to the sun's position on our globe, our oblate spheroid, unless you're a flat-earthed nerd. So, you know, hey, buddy, we've got a break. You want to hold? You want to stay? Or are you going to go? Sure. I'll hold. OK. All right. Hey folks, we'll be back after these messages. We have three open lines if you want to give me a call. 877-207-2276. We'll be right back. It's Matt Slick live taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick Okay, everybody. Welcome back to the show. If you want to give me a call, it is easy. Just dial 877-207-2276. Let's get to Jermaine from California. Alright, Jermaine, you're back on, buddy. Alright. Well, you know, the other thing I was thinking of, do you think sometimes our concept of time kind of warps our understanding of God? When we try to narrow Him down into, I guess, certain categories that are really meant for human beings and not for Him being sovereign. Yeah, I think that can certainly be the case. Because we're going to think of God in our own terms, how we relate to God. I don't think we have any concept to understand the nature of God, His ubiquity, His omnipresence, His omnisapience, knowledge, how it all works, how He relates to the Creator. We just don't know. But He became one of us at the proper time after the fulfillment of prophecy. So in our realm, we see God working according to a sequence of events that are separated by what we call years so he is able to to do that and how that works with him how he get everything perfectly correct all the time I don't know there's logistical issues we could say that the reason events occur because God has ordained that they occur even our free will choices ordained by God and the only way that he can know them to be sure is that he's ordained that they come into existence and so all things actual and potential are in the mind of God and He actualizes certain potentialities and within the actualized universe that He's brought all events in it will be actualized out of the potentiality of God's mind and therefore nothing can occur without the permission or direct decree or indirect decree of God as it ordained all things that come to pass, Ephesians 1.11 and so in that he is able to bring about exactly what he desires in all areas including our free will choices which are still free and so he can decree he can tell us from the beginning to the end how that all works in his mind in his heart I don't know I think part of time in relationship with time in history deals with the issue of actuality and potentiality so if you had a piece of paper and It was blank, and no lines, just a blank piece of paper. And the white paper there, this represents nothingness. And what is nothing? It's what rocks think of. Just nothing. And so you put a dot in the middle. and that dot represents God. Then you take squiggly lines, you draw 20, 30, 40, 50 of them out from that dot out to the edge of the paper in all directions. And those squiggly lines represent potential existences. They haven't been actualized. God has an infinite number of potential existences that he is aware of. So we could draw 50 of those lines. That represents an infinite number. And we can say that when God picks one of those lines, He actualizes a potentiality. Since all those lines are potentials in the mind of God, He actualizes one of them. And we can look at that line and call it a timeline. And all the events on that particular timeline can only exist because God has chosen to bring that particular timeline into existence. He's actualized it. Which means that all things that are within it potentially, like a free choice, the rock rolling down a hill, et cetera, all can only exist inside the parameters of which God has ordained to exist. So he's sovereignly in control of all things. So when we talk about things like this, how then is it that He relates to those objects that we would see as dots along that timeline? Well, those dots, those objects, are only related to the mind of God in that He has allowed them to come into existence. And so all things that come into existence are ordained by God, that He directly causes it. and all things like bad things but he certainly permits them to occur this proximate conditioning of all things that exist well this means then that time as we would see it is completely under the control of God because all events within what we would call a time frame or time reference are ordained by God and nothing can occur outside of God's will Now whether it be direct or indirect will, you know, prescriptive or permissive will, things like that we can get into. So when he works, it's like time is an actualized potentiality. Because remember, God knows all potentials, actuals and potentials. Before the universe was made, the only actuality was himself that he knew exhaustively. And everything else that might exist, conditional, might be counterfactual, doesn't exist. And so whatever he would bring into existence we call that time reference. And so God relates to time differently because he necessarily is in control of all the events that operate within what we call time. Otherwise he's not God. And so then we get into this issue of was called B-theory of time. And that B-theory is the idea that time is actualized and that all moments of time are equally extant. And what we do is we discover the relationships or distinctions between those points of time. those moments of what we call time, those events, as they relate to one another. And this gets into super complicated stuff, and that's about as far as I've gotten into things as I've studied. But I don't know if anything I've made makes sense, but it's just a tough topic to get into, if that makes sense. Yeah, actually for me it does, because I'm kind of a nerd as well. I think I read one of William Lane Craig's books on Time is more, you know, just exploring is more a philosophy on how you approach it. That's just my lamest term to describe, you know, and paraphrase what I read. But what you said actually makes a lot of sense. I think, you know, we're confined by time. But for me, it actually deepens my faith because the concept of eternity seems to throw a lot of people off when you say you'll be with God eternally. But for me, eternity can just be there's no clock. There's no clock, you have no concept of what day, time, just like when we go to church camp and we're off in the woods, phones don't work, and we don't care what time it is, we're just in this perpetual state of happiness with our family, having fun, and we're completely unaware of the world, you know, outside of something horrible happening, but we're just, you know, we get to scriptures, we fellowship, and, you know, no one ever wants to leave. That, for me, that, That kind of explains a little bit of how eternity might be with God, where we're just focused on him and there is nothing else to really focus on. You know, there's no clock to worry about. There's no time constraint. So I think it makes a lot of sense. Yeah. Yeah, I'm looking forward to not being fatigued, to being able to be with the Lord, eternal alertness and just nice, not having to take naps. you know, just being with him, it's going to be wonderful. And, uh, maybe what you're saying there is right. Time will just be different to us. I don't know, but it's going to be awesomely great to be with him. So we've got a lot to learn. Yes, sir. All right. Well, thank you, Mary. I really appreciate you taking the time to, to develop your answer. It just gave me more of a concrete, concrete thought versus, you know, just the brief clip of what you said versus what you actually think. So appreciate you. Right. Amen. Appreciate you, you too, brother. God bless. All right. God bless you, man. OK. OK, there's the break. Perfect timing. And then we'll get back with Chris from Dayton, Ohio, on Martin Luther. Interesting stuff. We'll be right back after these messages. Please stay tuned. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. All right, and welcome back to the show. If you want to give me a call at the bottom of the hour, the number is 877-207-2276. Let's get to Chris from Dayton, Ohio. Chris, welcome. You're on the air. Hey, thank you for taking my call. After that last conversation, I feel like a first grader. My answer would have been, we don't have any concept of time. And then I would have just left it right there. See, there you go. It's a better answer. We'll move on. So as a new Christian, I'm a member of a church, they are a fundamentalist Baptist church, expository teaching, and I wanted to ask you, you've probably explained this a thousand times, but if you indulge me, So, you know, when they talk about Martin Luther, and then you read about his anti-Semitism, and then when you, you know, there are Southern Baptist Church, and after three years, I'm like, well, what does that mean? And I was like, I see, you know, so bad history. you know, and I love the church. I don't have any, you know, any, they saved my life. So I don't have any problem with the, you know, with, with the actual church. But how do you deal with that? Cause I feel the same way when I'm listening to like Michael Jackson music and it's like, yeah, he wasn't the best person, but those were good songs. And so I just want your, you know, if you could explain that to me, you mean Martin Luther's antisemitism? Yes. Well, and a Southern Baptist as far as why they were Southern Baptist and who's they were Southern Baptist, who's they? Well, I don't know why it's called Southern Baptist. Oh, so you're asking two different questions, two different questions. Well, I know, I think they're on the same line is like this, like, okay, so it may have, may have had one or two bad things that did, but don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Okay, I'm not exactly sure what your question is. Well, should you not give credence to what people teach? at the end of the day the that there there were bad things that they did okay so that's uh... it's a good question alright so uh... martin luther towards the end of his life became a strong anti uh... someone he he advocated for their persecution and of a virtual type of enslavement of their children He went off the deep end. He really blew it. He thought that he could convert them, or they could be converted by the preparation of the gospel. But they didn't convert, and over a couple of decades, he turned on them. At first, he was favorable towards them, treated them nicely. And then he wrote a couple of works, and then went really bad. And when I went to an LCMS college, Lutheran Church, Missouri Synod College, We talked about that and the prof just said flat-out without any excuse. He says yep. He blew it Just flat-out. All right. So does that mean what Luther said earlier wasn't true when it you know executing scripture? Well, of course not, but that's my point. I Yeah, and so the early stuff that he wrote, it was very good. I don't agree with everything Luther said, but the guy was brilliant and he did a great job. And so we could throw the baby out with the bathwater and say all of what he did is false because he became an anti-Semite later. It's like a logician or a mathematician. who's a Christian and he does great work for Christianity and mathematics and then later in his life abandons Christianity and becomes an atheist. So we dump all of his work in mathematics because of it? No. But it's just something we need to be aware of and just realize that he really did blow it. In fact, it's being used by people to invalidate Lutheranism. And so it's a mistake, I think, logically. It's a logical error. Just because he went bad at the end doesn't mean what he said earlier wasn't true. That's the point. Okay, then, I mean, the other thing is, like, I'm a member of a Southern Baptist church, and it's like, well, why were they Southern is because of the whole slavery issue, and I'm like, I'm a little bit uncomfortable with that, but it's like, okay, I can't, I'm not gonna ask them to abandon their name, but I'm just like, I don't know. I mean, like I said, I am new, and I'm not claiming any high ground. Yeah, and if the Southern Baptist Church, they split in the 1800s from the Northern, split into two, and then they went because they wanted slavery. Well, that just makes, that's a black eye on the Southern Baptists. It's like, what can you do? It's bad. Well, but here's the thing. People can repent. You know, I'll tell you, I got some stuff in my early days of my early life. If you judged me now based on then, oh. You know? Yeah. Yeah. And so it's like I wouldn't want a lot of stuff out there, if you know what I mean. I just didn't get caught. I know what you mean. Yeah. I'm surprised. I'm 54 and I just became saved. So yeah, I've got a lot of years of the bad. Yeah, you know, I've said a lot of times, like, why did you keep me alive? You know, I get it. OK, so I've read that many, many times, Matt. Sometimes I say to God, what are you thinking? I mean, look at what I've lost. Look, I deserve suffering. Yeah, he's long suffering. It's only his mercy. So here I am as an apologist, and back when I was in my mid-teens, I was pretty bad. So will you dismiss what I do now because of that? No. So the Southern Baptist Church now denounces the slavery issue, and that's good. And that's okay. It's like someone repenting. You know, a criminal in prison gets out after 20 years, and he renounces. In fact, I have a friend like this. He comes to our Bible study. He was in prison for many, many, many years, and he's now a born-again believer. Comes to Bible study. He's a great guy. And all that has just passed. Okay, whatever. It's all good. In fact, I know two guys who are in prison, and they love the Lord now. We don't judge them now for what they did back then. We judge them in Christ. So, but Luther, oh, he blew it. He really blew it with the Jews. He did. No way around it, he just blew it. But it doesn't mean Lutheranism is invalid because Luther went off the deep end. Because think about it, what if you have, here's a situation, a guy who's a great theologian, great, great, great, great theologian. And we don't know it, but he has a brain tumor. And it starts causing him to go off the deep end. And he writes stuff. I'm going through dementia with my father right now. And then I was thinking, you know, it's great that you brought that up because I can compare my own sense of the past with the Southern Baptist Church. And I can think of my father's dementia with Luther. And that's I'm so thankful you took my call. Well, you know, my sympathies with you with that. I have a wife with a lot of needs and I'm not complaining about it. It's just, you know, it's just what you do. And there's challenges there. And we endure and we go through, you know, nothing about what they're going through. But that's OK. So, yeah, if your father starts saying things that, you know, that's not you talking. That's something else talking. Again, you wouldn't dismiss all of his good stuff in his youth from bad things. Yeah, great point. All the stuff that he taught me growing up to make me a man and all the good worldly things that he taught me, which I'm not proud of, but the church has pointed that out. But he also gave me a lot of good qualities. Boy, thank you so much. You're welcome, man. Ain't no problem, buddy. So God bless. OK, Chris. Well, keep up the good work. Bye-bye. I'm trying, man. I'm trying. Keep listening. All right. So there you go. We've got a break coming up in a couple of minutes, but we've got time to get to Chuck from Ohio. Hey, what's up, Chuck? Hi, Mr. Splick. I'm calling because of a show I heard of yours a couple of weeks ago where you you discussed the fact that you believe that God can still speak. You mentioned being released or fired by a denomination because of your belief in the continued gift of the spirit. I didn't grow up in a church. I became a born again Christian at 29. I'll be 70 this year on June 24th, on June 24th, 2008. And so, and I, I began to attend the Pentecostal church in 2016. On June 24, 2018, I sat next to a woman that when a stranger got up for the altar call, and this woman said, that man needs prayer. So I went down to the altar, stood behind a stranger, I put my hands on his shoulders, and I began to pray. Well, I wasn't praying in English. And about 15 seconds into the prayer, the Holy Spirit began to coach me, and I was involved in an exorcism, okay? When I went to leave my church about, Twenty, maybe thirty, thirty-five minutes later, I saw my daughter had called me during church. Our church, my church and her church are exactly the same time. So when I saw she had called me in the middle of church, I panicked. And I called my daughter and I asked her, Are you okay? Yeah. Is anything bad going on? No. Well, why did you call me in the middle of church? My daughter said, I don't know, dad. The Holy Spirit told me to call you. So I called you. Okay. Hold on. We got to break. Okay. I want to hear this. Okay. So hold on. Yes. And then we'll continue right after where you left off there. Okay. So hold on. Hey folks, we'd write back after these messages. If you want to give me a call, my number is 877-207-2276. We'll be right back. It's Matt Slick Live! Taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. Alright everybody, welcome back to the show. Having a good time in the text chat of Rumble. Rumble.com forward slash Matt Slick Live. And we're talking in there about movies and TV size screens. And I'm just telling them mine's not big enough. And mine's 85 inch. I love movies. I love movies and relaxing and watching big screen TV. I like a movie screen so big you gotta look left and right just to see what's happening. Now we're talking. All right, let's get back on with Chuck from Ohio. Hey, Chuck. Okay, you're back on. Hi. Hey, Mr. Slick. Okay. So your daughter called you, you know? Yes. Well, I'm involved in an exorcism at the church praying for a stranger. Oh, someone else was exercised. Okay. Well, okay. So, uh, uh, elderly lady that I, I sat next to on June 24th, 2018, that's actually the only day I've ever sat next to this woman. So when pass it, pastor was preaching on, uh, Mark nine, I believe, or anyway. Um, and when he did the altar call a stranger on the other side of her in the seat on the other side of her next to the aisle, got up. stranger and she said that man needs prayer. That's the only reason I got up. So I go down, stand behind him, put my hands on his shoulders. I began to pray, not in English. And about 15 to 20 seconds into the prayer, I prayed four words and the Holy Spirit whispered louder. And then I prayed those words again and the Holy Spirit basically yelled louder. So the third time I made a demand, now the guy that I have my hands upon starts sounding like a Jurassic movie dinosaur. He broke out soaking wet in sweat and he turned his pelt as a sheet of paper. So now he's headed for the floor. So to make a long story short, now he's on the floor. He's not moving, but his chest is moving. And he had a good pulse. His pulse was fine. Before I got up, I prayed for him for another minute or two, holding his left hand in my hand. And then I went off to myself, and I prayed for maybe 20 more minutes at the most. And then I'm like, I guess I better head on home. Well, when I picked up my phone, I saw that my daughter had called me. Now, my daughter's in church on the other side of Dayton at the same time as me, so now I'm worried. So I called her. As soon as I left the church, I called her. Are you okay? Yes. Is everything okay? Yes. Well, why did you call me in the middle of church? I don't know, Dad. The Holy Spirit told me to call you, so I called you. Oh, okay. I'll see you later when you bring the grandsons by. so then after that i noticed that i had a seven second message from my daughter's telephone number and seven is the god's number of completion and when i listened to the message i heard a male's voice say a male's voice say so basically mr slick the holy spirit told my daughter to call me tapped into my daughter's call and said So you argued that you believe that God can still speak audibly a couple weeks ago. Not only can he speak audibly, he can tell a daughter, a born-again daughter, to call her born-again father. He can tap into the call and speak. Because it's on my cell phone. The phone that I'm talking to you right now on has God's voice on the phone. I'll be 70 years old. I don't even have a social media presence. I'll be 70 this year. I don't know what to do with it. That's the only reason I called you. That's okay. I believe in all the charismatic gifts. I believe God can certainly do things. I believe that He can put an impression on your heart and He can cause you or put it upon your heart to pray louder and say things. I have no problem with that. The only thing I'm reticent about is a phone call. With a sound on it and that being God I wouldn't I wouldn't go that far because it could be I would love for you to hear this I would love for you to hear this and hear the rest of the story Because it took me four months to understand what happened that day The next day my pastor the two days later, but I had breakfast with my pastor and I told that my pastor I've never seen that guy before well My pastor told me he had come to Wednesday's evening service the previous week and he suspected something was wrong because he was acting extremely A pastor said he was looking at me real sinister. I said, okay, how did he meet your mother? Because the lady's the pastor's mother. He said, I don't know. So the following Sunday I said, Sister Shirley, that man you had me pray for last Sunday, how did you meet him? He just came and he sat down next to me where there was only one chair on the other side of her and then the aisle. One chair. So, I'll email you. I will email you. These things can happen. God can certainly do it. I would not say it's not possible for God to put an impression or some voice on a phone. He can do that if He wants. Whether or not He did that, that's the issue. And because of the nature of phone calls, it's not a good evidence for anything. You know, but okay, you know and and if you're praying over somebody and in tongues and and you believe the you know I think you believe I have no problem with it actually happening the Holy Spirit Imparts upon you or desires you to speak louder. That's fine. I don't have a problem with that Yes, and you're right. It did cost me my pastorate when I affirmed this possibility In the PC a Presbyterian Church in America, but that's okay. Oh Yes, I heard that I heard that show. I was listening to that that evening. I That's all right. And that, uh, I've been wanting to call you ever since. So when I first, when I first began to listen this evening, the call that was on your, on your show, when I, when I joined the show was a man from Dayton, Ohio. Yeah. Yeah, we broadcast in Ohio, and in Utah, and Virginia, and I think Jersey, I don't know, Georgia, I think Carolinas, so I don't know exactly. Well, everybody you hear here is tremendously blessed by you and your work. I don't know. I hope, but I'm sure a lot of people are upset with me. I get people emailing me saying that I'm wrong about this, and that's fine. But I say some controversial things, and that's just the way it is. But I appreciate your call, brother. Okay, appreciate it. God bless you. I'll email you as well. Thank you. Thanks, appreciate it. All right, God bless. All right. Hey, let's get on with Glenn from Richmond, Virginia. Glenn, welcome. You're on the air. Yes, Matt. I've called your show a few times. Can you hear me? Yes. And, um, the other night, I mean, this didn't happen the other night, but the other night I was, you know, talking about some things about, can God speak to you? And can you hear God's voice? So what happened with me, I heard this guy just finished talking about, you know, he heard the voice, he think he heard the voice or the spirit of God. So what happened with me was I was, um, I was at home and I, and I kind of like fell asleep and all of a sudden, out of nowhere, I heard a voice say Exodus. Yes. And I said, Exodus dash, and I never heard of Exodus dash in my life, you know? And I forgot what it was that I had, you know, what I had, um, what I was thinking before I went to sleep or anything like that, or I can't remember anything, but only thing I could remember was Exodus dash. So I woke up suddenly and said, and I Googled it, you know what I'm saying? I just Googled, I said, Exodus dash, but it didn't pull up Exodus dash, but it says, Why is there a dash in Exodus? That's what it said. And I'm like, was this God speaking to me? You know, that's my question. I'm trying to figure out, was that God's voice speaking to me, telling me about Exodus dash? Because I never, ever heard anything about an Exodus dash or anything like that. Well, that one, I can't, uh, I can't answer that. Don't know what it means. I mean, we can hear things. Yeah. Yeah. I went to the scripture. It was, um, Exodus 32, 32. Okay. And it has a dash there. And you know, this was when Moses, the children of Israel, they sinned against God by making the golden calf and Moses, had said something about if he, you know, if God, he asked God to forgive him for their sins, but if he wouldn't, that he would, you know, just blot him out of the book that he wrote, just blot him out. And God spoke to Moses and said to Moses, he said to Moses, he said, um, Moses, whoever sinned against me, I will blot their name out of the book of the book. Okay. And do you think this is, uh, anything significant in your life? It has to be because, you know, during the time when I was praying for God to, you know, you know, just to answer some of my prayers and I was praying to him, you know, God, you know, let me know if, you know, what's going on in my life and, you know, things of this nature. And, and this is what it came to, you know, He said, you know, and I don't know what that significance is with the Exodus dash, but you know, with, you know, with the dash and Exodus, but that's what I read in the scripture was 32, 32. And like I said, I never ever heard anything about Exodus dash. And I never, you know, why is there a dash and Exodus, you know, and, and, and that voice spoke to me. I heard it clearly. It said Exodus dash. And I woke up and I Googled it, you know, Yeah, you said like, you know, I'm not sure to tell you, uh, you know, I'm not sure to tell you here but uh, you know, uh It's interesting So what I would do is pray and see if god is going to communicate to you At all or if that was an imagination because sometimes just I'm not saying it was but sometimes when you fall asleep the brain switches the reticular activating system switches your body off in the process so you can sleep without running and you know jumping when you're dreaming these things and so there's a switch and sometimes people are in that in-between state and they can think things, hear things. So I'm just saying, I'm not saying it's what would actually happen but it's just something to consider. Yeah but like a clear Yeah, like a clear message though. Like I'm saying, you know, like Exodus dash. I mean, like I said, I never ever even thought about reading Exodus dash and I never, you know, I've read it, I've read Exodus before, but I've never even noticed there was a dash in Exodus in the, in the voice clearly said Exodus dash. And that's when I woke up and I Googled it. Soon as I heard it, I got, I said Exodus dash and I Googled it. And that's what, you know, I remember him saying, you know, the scripture about the most, about Moses. Yeah. Well, okay. There you go. All right. I gotcha. I gotcha. All right. Thanks anyway. Yeah. Okay. Well, God bless brother. God bless. You have a blessed day. You have a blessed rest of your day. You too. All right. You too. Thanks. All right, you know, I kind of like it when we get these calls where they get stories. You know, things that have happened. Lots of things have happened. I even have a couple of stories where I swear I heard the voice of God. Not that audible voice, but that powerful inner voice. You know what that is. So, anyway. 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