Well, I'm going to record this one because I know Justin wanted to be here. And Casey apparently didn't sleep good last night, and so he was going to, felt like he needed to stay home. But we have this time where we can discuss, and I'll give you the setting of this one. Sometimes things are just thrust upon us and we, probably some of us, I know some of us have been discussing it amongst ourselves anyway, so we may as well discuss it together. In January, this lady, I mean, you're gonna have to have some view of, you're gonna be confronted by it, so we may as well discuss it. In January, this lady, You may already know this lady writes this blog post about yoga pants and the reason that she chose not to wear them anymore. Did y'all see that? You get on Facebook much. I mean, it's that and vaccines and a few other things have been like the thing on the Internet. People are. Yeah. Oh, yeah. So, so she writes it explaining why she chose no longer to wear yoga pants or leggings. And you know what I'm talking about? Well, this lady wrote a blog post about specifically yoga pants and leggings. Um, so then you get a response. People, people obviously get stirred over that, even though she said in the thing that it was her personal, she like bent over backwards to say that was her personal conviction. She wasn't telling anybody what to do. Um, But then someone else, I mean, I started seeing some of the other popular responses have been, one of them's called, but you want to talk about leggings. And it basically, this post is like 10 other things we should be concerned about before yoga pants. So it's kind of making the point that, you know, there are weightier issues than that. And so this post kind of paints you if you're against yoga pants. You know, you're a Pharisee and you're focusing on the little thing. I wrote some of these down, the more popular ones. Then this other guy writes one where he it got kind of popular, uh, where he says the problem is not the pants, but our minds. And then there's a Christianity today when most recently where it argues that, you know, responsibility is exclusively on demand for looking. So in the midst of this, like I said, if you even get on Facebook, uh, to some degree, It seems like my news feed's been full of it. And as I began to put feelers out, there was actually some other people in our church even talking about it, different wives and husbands having discussions about it. And so, I don't know, I could set the tone or set the course for this thing and then we could talk about it afterwards. I don't know what should be better to do. Why don't I do that? If I'm thinking, this is how my mind works, if I'm thinking about sexuality and sins, and sexual sins, if I'm thinking what, where in the New Testament could I go? What's like the most obvious letter to go to? 1 Corinthians. So let's go to it. In my mind, more readily went to it because I'm reading through it right now. So 1 Corinthians chapter 6 is starting in verse 12. Yes, ma'am. Is where Paul begins to deal with the Corinthians, who are very much like our culture. I mean, I saw Kirk Cameron posted the other day, there's 250 million likes for the trailer of Fifty Shades of Grey. Pornography industry makes more than NFL, Major League Baseball, National Hockey League combined. So we're very much a Corinthian society. So 1 Corinthians 6 and verse 12. Paul here, if you're reading the commentators, kind of cut to the chase here, when he says all things are lawful, this is a Corinthian quote. So this is what they were saying. So he's employing here, help us read it, a yes, but kind of argument. So he's saying, yeah, this is true, but consider this. So all things are lawful for me. That's what they were saying. He checks it and he says, but not all things are profitable. All things are lawful for me, but I'll not be mastered by anything. So in other words, we see here What we see in some of these blog posts, people defending what kind of clothes they wear, whether it's yoga pants or whatever, based on Christian freedom. You know, I'm not under the law. So let's get this out in the front. You don't suddenly not become a Christian if you were to put on a pair of yoga pants. That's not how we relate. to the Lord under law. So the question is not can a Christian wear yoga pants or not, but should they? That's what we're asking. So you just go down through here. You could pull out a lot, but I want to go all the way down to verse 19. He says at the very end of verse 19 that you are not your own. And really, he's asking the question, like, do you not know? And he says the thing there about the temple, but then he says that you're not your own. And he tells us what he's talking about in verse 20. For you have been bought with a price, therefore glorify God in your body. So let's get this principle out. When we came in, they were talking about Tony and Jared. There was a conversation going on here. Tony's going to be putting a door here and doing, he'll be doing some different things with the house. Well, what you didn't see when we got here is like, I wasn't going around saying, yeah, I'm going to put something here, and I think I'm going to move that over there, and I'm going to add on right over here. Why? Because it's not my house. I don't own it. It doesn't belong to me. And Paul amazingly says, your body, if you're a Christian, don't belong to you. So when it comes to discussing what we put on it, the first place to go isn't just what comes to mind, perhaps. The idea is to be thought, it's an amazing thought. You were bought. Your body, your soul, all that we are was bought at the cross. So this is good because normally you start talking about how you were dressed and you're automatically a legalist. And you know, you've departed from grace. This is a cross issue. We were bought for the price. Therefore, our bodies, our souls, all that we are belong to him. So what would God then say to do with our bodies? We take our key from him. We'll just keep reading. Right into first Corinthians seven. Now concerning the things about which you wrote, so they wrote Paul some questions. And it was about should you marry or whatever. He says, this is a quote from them, it's good for a man not to touch a woman, that's what they were saying. Now he's going to basically in chapter 7 agree with them, but he wants to put some checks in there, so this is the context. So verse 2, but, Because of immoralities, each man is to have his own wife, and each woman is to have her own husband. So you don't need to know Greek. What's one of the purposes of marriage? to curb sexual desire to such a degree that it lessens the likelihood of immorality. Verse 3, fulfill his duty. What does it have? Give to his wife her comfortable rights. Okay. Well, literally it's due, like a debt, like you owe something. So, again, the idea of ownership comes in, like you don't own, so you owe on something. He says the husband must literally give what is due to his wife, Likewise, also the wife to her husband. Now, the basis of this is that the wife does not have authority over her own body. This is amazing. You start thinking that just so far, Hatton R. Meyer has been renewed a little bit already, coming to scripture and seeing it. First, you're saying, well, I can wear whatever I want and I can Well now, just for a few minutes, now we've already seen that the woman, as you were talking about with the yoga pants, her body belongs to Christ, and he says it belongs to her husband. And she doesn't have authority over it, but the husband does. Likewise, also, the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does. So let me just paraphrase this much about this. What we could pull from this is that the wife has something that she owes to her husband. It's due, like it's right to give it to him. And so he's saying you owe it to him to fulfill your duty, pay your debt is basically what he's saying you because the husband has authority over your body. Now, this is obviously talking about an area of intimacy. I think obviously implied here is attraction. Okay. Because if this is gonna curb temptations to immorality, I think it's only reasonable to say that it's implied in here there's some attraction. There's a fulfillment of desire here. So also implied here, I think it would be safe to say, as Paul is saying, whatever ways your body as a female is attractive in that way, it's to be oriented toward your husband. So, maybe it's different. It's different for every woman. I mean, you should ask your husband, you know. Here's what, let me give you an analogy. If you're at work, someone hands you paper. Okay, so here's this form or this form. It's not uncommon someone to hand you a paper and it's something highlighted, okay, or bullet points or bolded or whatever. And you know, you see this paper, it may be full of writing, but if something's highlighted, your eyes go to that. Now listen to me. You can't, like, amputate your legs, OK? So you have to carry your legs out in public if you're a woman. You know, you can't cut away members of your body. But should you highlight them? Like, should you highlight the more sexually tempting aspects of your femininity when you go out in public? Or is this first teaching you should highlight them toward your husband? And that if you owe it to your husband, if it's his, if it belongs to him, it doesn't belong to anyone else. It should not be highlighted So let me get real specific here, and this will help. It would be wise and discreet of a Christian woman to know what about her fulfills her husband and highlight that toward him and de-highlight it when she goes out in public. cover it, hide it, don't attract attention to it. I mean, how do you know a harlot when you see one on the street? She's highlighting her body. It's bad sign. if a woman's going out in public highlighting... I mean, think of this. Should a Christian woman, like, go out and highlight those aspects of her body in public and then come home and just wear rags at home around her husband? You know what I mean? You're like... I'm not saying you go out into the world looking like you're poor and you can't afford any clothes. But I don't need to get that specific. You know what I'm getting at here. So, that being said, let me use that and then make some points about these responses we're seeing on the internet. First of all, this lady who originally wrote the blog, she says, I think as some backlash that she's been getting like, well, this is just my view. I'm not telling anybody. The scriptures do tell women, Christian women, how to dress. OK, so I don't know if this lady is just kind of caving under the pressure, the backlash she's getting or what. But now there are some areas that are gray that you can't lay down rules. but there are some where you can. So let me show you this, 1 Timothy 2. Paul says in verse nine, likewise, I want women to adorn themselves with proper clothing. What does that mean? There's proper and there's also improper clothing. So when a Christian woman goes to the store, she's to have two categories of thought. in the shop, like there's some stuff here that goes in the proper column and there's some stuff here that goes in the improper column. And he says with modest, we did this thing about the word amen, like this common word that we used last Sunday, modesty is another one. You just hear modesty, modesty, modesty. And it's like no one ever looks it up. It means shame. That's what the word means. So pick out your clothing with shame. What does that mean? It means to expose, in a normal circumstance, in a fallen world, what did Adam and Eve do? They covered themselves because of shame. There's a shame going out naked in public. And to the degree that you go that direction, shame rises. And so Paul says, clothe yourselves with shame in mind, like think about what's proper and improper. And then he says, clothe themselves with proper clothing, modestly and discreetly. Discretion means to judge between, so it means you're looking at clothes, you're judging, I mean, you need women. The women in this church, I know, have not, the Christian women in this church, I know their backgrounds and everything, they haven't had fathers, godly fathers come alongside and give them an FYI on clothing. from a godly man's perspective. So what does that mean? It's our job as the church to step in and take that role. Okay? And say, so this is what you should do if you're a Christian woman. You should frequently be putting on your clothing and you should be asking your husband. What would you think of this? Just yesterday, Chali put on some pants. left the tag on them, come in and said, what do you think about this? I was like, uh, you know, what are you going to wear with them, you know? And well, this or that or whatever. And he just kind of like, hmm. So she didn't wear them. Now, when you hear a scenario like that, ask yourself this, is there anything in you that just kind of goes, is satanic. You know that? It's satanic to disrupt that order. That's the godly order. The man is head of the wife. And if the man is taking the role, if he's being honest, he knows what's attractive, he knows what catches another man's eye. And so men, the men should be honest. Tell our wives, our daughters, You know, it's not fitting. So. So I just want to say to this one, this one thing that started it. A lot of what this lady said was true, but the fact that we can't decide, we do know if it's right or wrong to wear yoga pants. So let's just get that settled. There are some things we don't know, but by the nature of the case, we do know about those. OK, so the church can speak about that. The other one is this other post, but you want to talk about leggings. Where they make this point about, you know, there are bigger things to be. That's a half truth. So that's true. There are bigger things to be concerned about than yoga pants. Obviously, if a lost person come in here wearing far worse than yoga pants, we would let them come in. And we wouldn't try to make a two-fold child of hell out of them and tell them to become moral before we preach the gospel to them. And we would fellowship with sinners. But obviously, we're not sinners, but saints. And obviously once you receive the gospel, there's sanctification. And you begin to realize, my father and mother were pagans and I've been brought up in Corinth. And I'm coming out of paganism. And I'm trying to discern, I mean, Jeremy's message the other day, the Gentiles with no knowledge of God, strangers, just ignorant fools without understanding. So, I mean, we need to be growing in this area. So, in that sense, she's true to say that. But, when Jesus made the point, here's what she misses, about focusing on the bigger things, He says, these things you ought to have done without neglecting the others. He didn't say they shouldn't have tithed. So that's where this post went wrong. So it's like, look there's children starving and whatever and you want to talk about it. Well yeah, that's a bigger issue. But that doesn't mean we don't talk about yoga pants. So hopefully we are spending the majority of our time on the bigger issue, but he says without neglecting the yoga pants. So we do want to say something about them. And then how about this Christianity Today article? specifically says it's exclusively the responsibility of the man. That's not the view of Christ. He says, you know, woe to you if you put a stumbling block. You see, you're responsible, not just the guy who stumbled over it, but the guy who put the block out there. So, is a man responsible for his lust? Absolutely. But are Christian women responsible not to the way they dress in front of Christian men? Absolutely. Absolutely. So it goes back to 1 Corinthians 7. Think of the illustration of a magnet. There are certain ways in men's eyes are like pieces of metal. Okay. There are certain ways a woman can dress that's just a magnet. Okay? Let me give you an illustration. A woman, a Christian woman can come up here, come into the meeting, and be a gorgeous lady. Pretty. Without me having any lustful struggle. Or any other brother having any. He could turn and look and say, that's a pretty lady. That's an elegant woman. That's a discreet, wise, intelligent person. looks nice, without having any sensual thoughts. And someone less gorgeous, less attractive, nearly ugly, could come dressed in one way and have every man in this room, every godly man have to turn his head. Because it's sensual. Because she's calling attention to the sensual, attractive aspects to her body. And so what Paul is saying, a Christian woman should do that. Now I don't, there's, there obviously is a limit to how specific we can get, but I can say some things. I mean, I said a minute ago, how do you notice a hooker? She's normally wearing a tight skirt. It's like the badge. So she's showing something. She's highlighting something. tight-fitted clothing, form-fitted clothing. And the women will say, I know it's comfortable, it's comfortable. I don't wear them, I don't know, but I hear that they're comfortable. Yeah, but love does not seek its own. And I think Paul would say, He would never wear them either like me, but he probably would say, if it causes my brother to stumble, I'll never wear yoga pants again. So there's a difference then with a man who's a total wicked slave living in a dream world in his mind that could look at a woman in a cardboard box and have a lustful thought versus a true Christian man who's seeking to follow Christ. And you come in and showcase everything in front of him and become a stumbling block. Two different scenarios. So what I'm saying is a true Christian man If a woman, a pretty woman is dressed a certain way, it can happen just perfectly in all purity. But that same woman could dress a different way and be a stumbling block. So the women we have in here, the ones we don't have in here, if your husband hadn't told you, your husband should get way more detail than I am in here. And if he hadn't told you, then he should repent and act like a man and be the head. Because most women don't have any idea. Lots of times, they're just naively just... Women, lots of times, sometimes they do, but sometimes they don't, they don't even know what's attractive. That's half their struggle, they don't feel attractive. But I can believe a man knows what's attractive about a woman. And he's well able, a Christian man, to let his wife know, to let his daughters know. And so yoga pants, very clearly, I understand there's some variety in them. It's kind of a There's not just like one thing you call yoga pants. There's several varieties. All I can say is basically this. If it highlights your body, it's sin. If you go out in public highlighting your body by wearing... I mean they're basically The ones I'm talking about are basically just another layer of skin. That's all they are. And so, will you be viewed as a dinosaur historically and from the Puritan era and everything else? Yeah, but the fact is it's sin. And a Christian woman should highlight her femininity and sexuality towards her husband. And when she goes out in public, I'm not saying she's just to cover everything and wear a towel. I mean, like a cape. But. I mean, you know, you know, if you wear a shirt that's unbuttoned down to here with cleavage, you know. If you're wearing pants that are so tight, There's no secret to what your rear end looks like, you know. If you're wearing skirts that are coming up too high and displaying your legs, you know. If you don't, ask your husband. So anyway, that's all. I think that's all I had to share on this. I mean, you could go into more detail, but those are the reasons, those are the passages. 1 Corinthians 6, 7, woman's body is for not herself, but her husband. So it's to be oriented that way. It's to be highlighted that way. Find out what pleases your husband and please your husband. Find out what pleases your husband and cover it when you're not around your husband or when you're in mixed company and don't highlight it in any way. That's the mark of a woman that really loves her husband. It's the mark of the adulterous woman that she goes out in public flaunting everything for everybody else to see. So yoga pants definitely drag the highlighter in terms of that illustration. I hand you a piece of paper. You know, do you have to, can we like cut your butt off? No, you can't amputate your butt. You can't amputate your legs, and we just roll you around in a wheelchair, and then you'll be modest. But do you have to highlight it? You know, wear something else. It's in vogue, and then someone says, well, all women are doing it. Well, yeah, the majority are. It's like you're a real mom if you go grocery shopping in your yoga pants. But Paul didn't say somewhere, don't be conformed to the world. And didn't Moses say, don't follow a multitude and evil. So we got to realize, it doesn't matter what's popular, it doesn't matter how it fits, it doesn't matter how hard it becomes the shop. That's the world trying to force us into its magic. So, I can't see any way that a Christian woman wearing yoga pants in public, the ones I have in mind, the ones that definitely highlight your body, I can't see as anything but sin. Regardless of your motives. Romans 14 Paul said, it doesn't matter how clear your conscience is, don't cause your brother to stumble. So it's still sin. Anyway, those are my thoughts in terms of applying it and other questions. I don't know if somebody wants to add anything to that. Well, my thoughts are, I mean, I've got, obviously I've got dollars, not just a wife, but also a daughter. I'm just trying to discern what's good, you know, for the public. I'm coming behind you so you're the guinea pig and you can give me all the secrets. in good conscience go so far and go, well, I think that there's not an outfit that would have yoga pants attached to it that would not be modest. I don't know if I could do that. I don't know. So you tell them I like wearing a longer shirt or skirt? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I'm like, I don't know. Like, for example, if we wear shorts, shorts to the knee, you're still I've seen everyone say it. I haven't, in good conscience, seen my family try on something. my thinking would be along the lines of, because we are, like you said, we come out of paganism, and we're also, we have the culture of the Corinthians around us all of our lives. It seems to me that we're growing and maturing in these things, and the Lord's just showing, trying to discern what's good, and just pulse them for certain things in our lives. Like, if we have a question that gets us to other godly men, like, what are your thoughts? You know, am I missing something here? Because I would be really genuinely concerned, If you thought that my wife or one of my daughters were wearing something immodest, it would play a huge factor on my conscience on how you know what I thought about that outfit. You know what I'm saying? I don't know if it's our legs that are naked or chained or whatever. So I think that there would be some room for some help and some wisdom in the multitude of counselors to say, I probably wear leggings more than anybody in this church. But I also try to pair that with extremely long shirts and flowing vests that come way down, you know, way down the floor of my legs. So, if I have ever appeared in Mamas, please let me know. Because I probably wear all of that more than anybody. And, you know, I know it's a big correction, My husband has never said anything to me, but I will ask him. I will. He has no problem in telling me if he doesn't like something. Yeah, yeah. Well, that's a good point to clarify a thing Jeremy's bringing up, is there are several ways to wear leggings. Yeah, I had a chance to see a young girl walk by with leggings on and a short shirt. Yeah Yeah Yeah, yeah So things like that, that kind of style, again, still using discretion with it, because obviously wearing a shirt over it can be higher or lower or whatever the case may be. But if you're considering a scenario where the shirt is long enough, then it's just basically it's like a dress, like a skirt. And if it comes down low enough, then doesn't seem to be any more problem than not even having leggings on and you're wearing a dress. I mean, in the wintertime, they're just warm. They're a lot warmer. Yeah, yeah. So yeah, that qualification is a good one to have in mind. What I mainly have in mind is what you say, the mainstream usage of them, nothing covering them, just flat out yoga pants in public. Um, that scenario. What would you want to say, Tim? Um, I agree with everything you said, 100%. Um, and through the years, especially, you know, like several years, I go through that with my wife from time to time. She's always dressed appropriately, modest for the most part. There's times I've had her take off some blue jeans. There's times also that, some of them because she would make Yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. I have I will say Obviously when you're pregnant It's even more difficult It's like looking for a needle in a haystack to find clothing Yeah But Are there options? I'm not an expert on, obviously, on all the options for pregnant women. But it would be interesting to hear from other women. I mean, it does fit the same thing at the end of the day. Is there an option of dressing when you're pregnant so that it can, again, I've seen some women who are pregnant wearing tight-fitted everything, and it can be a stumbling block. So just because you're pregnant, I mean, a lot of times, men are more attracted to a woman when they're pregnant. That does sometimes happen. Jeffrey Paul's raising his eyebrow on it. There's a lot of context necessary to this conversation. But anyway, to answer, some of the other women may be able to give more advice than me on different options out there for clothing, but there's obviously more and more an option, you know. And the general principle still holds anything that highlights those, I'm just leaving it general, those aspects of your femininity that are attractive in that way, Paul says that all belongs to your husband. So that means it's all to be highlighted toward him and it's to be de-highlighted toward, so anytime So you may dress one way in your house and dress a different way. I don't know, it'd be perfectly... I think that's a great point. Just a great method of highlighting it. It's just like all these things are going to be oriented here. Because, I mean, honestly, it's like God created your body to be enjoyed. basically yeah that's all I'm saying it's just very you can see in all purity a Christian man can see a woman and say that's a pretty lady and there'd be nothing sensual about it and she'd be a gorgeous woman but she's carrying herself she's dressing herself in such a way that there's nothing sensual just elegant in a godly way. Yeah. Yeah, it is attractive. And the more I grow in grace, I mean, I don't, Martin Lloyd-Jones said the good principle, he said, we're never less than the natural man, just more. So, as a result of growing in grace, I don't suddenly like ugly people, okay? So, we're not twisted that way. Obviously, you're still attracted to beauty, But you begin to be attracted like a woman that has the beauty, but also has this wisdom and discretion and elegance, like carrying herself, like things are hidden. That's attractive. That's really precious. And that's how Christian women should be. Like Jeremy said, we're not saying these things are evil, but they're for a certain purpose. There's a Christian woman, shouldn't there? Certain words to describe her should be honorable, elegant, discreet, wise, intelligent. That there's something to be said of the perversion of it whenever, whether it's men or women, sit in front of mirrors and make-up tables and stuff like that just to get prim and proper and beautified for the world. Yeah. And less attention and focus goes on. How does your spouse? Yeah, yeah. And in general, you could just basically say, if you're spending more time worried about the outward than the inward, then Peter says you're already off, because he says, don't be worried about how you clothe outwardly, but worry about the hidden person of the heart. Adorn that. So that's a good convicting question for a Christian woman She'd spend more time worried about a meek, quiet, beautiful spirit. So, I mean, really, as you grow, I think it's right to say a Christian woman should become more simplistic in her dress. Not ugly, but just, you know, like Paul Washer said, like extravagance, like your earrings shouldn't be something that your husband could take off and use for fishing lure. You know? I mean there should, should be reflected. And here's something Yeah, you can't catch anything with your, no, you can keep them on. Here's a question to ask. But from the moment I was converted, do I see a pattern of sanctification? You may have been converted with the spinner baits and the tackle box for the jewelry box. You may have been converted and be a tomboy. I don't know. Where were you at when you were converted? And do you see God growing you in this? Are you more and more? Because Paul says women will be saved if they have discretion. That means this is a pattern of a woman on her way to glory. So, eventually you start saying, hang on, I do need to think about how I'm dressing. That means the Holy Spirit is renewing your mind. So, well, I trust we've avoided all the landmines as we've walked through this. I feel like there's 200 of them out there I'm trying to bounce over. Does anybody have anything else? Nothing? All right. Everybody's laughing and smiling. Thank you.