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Yes. You don't have to go over
there. You're over there, but you don't
have to be over there, because I don't want to. Yeah. I have a question about,
we've had some disruptions, and you're just getting back into
homeschool, and looking at or some friends were showing us
transcripts programs. I guess my question is about accreditation
and what we teach through the way we set up our schedule. It
really kind of feels to me that the underlying world view is
sort of we have to have Caesar's stamp of approval on the way
we do education, I guess is my question. Or I guess is there
a balance for that? Is there a balance between our
independence as homeschoolers and our responsibility to comply
with the laws where we live? Yeah, we're responsible to comply
with the laws where we live. That's one of the reasons I live in
Texas, man. Because in Texas, my children are not wards of
the state. They're mine. And I have absolutely no compliance
requirements whatsoever. I live there so that I can be
free. My children could be mine. And if I lived somewhere else,
I would move. But you know, not everybody I'm just kidding. If you live in a place where
there are different laws, then you find a way to comply with
those laws to the degree that you can. But there may come a
point where you can't in good conscience. Then you have to
decide between a sort of conscientious objection and moving. Right,
and I guess not just for homeschooling, but also for like, I guess into
college and not necessarily things where it's required by law, but
just where, you know, do you chase after, you know, this certain
piece of paper because I guess that's what the world tells us
to do or? Yeah, we never do anything just
because it's what the world tells us to do. Oh, our reasons have
got to be more substantial than that. Yes. Yeah. So I wouldn't
say that there's never a reason to go get a piece of paper. I'm
leaving to go be dean of a seminary. So obviously, I don't believe
that. But you don't just go do stuff like that just because
it's what somebody tells you to do. You do it as an act of
stewardship. And if it fits your calling and
it fits where you're going, maybe the right thing for you to do,
you know? But that's, we also gotta be careful that we're not
hypocrites in this, because I know people who on the one hand have
said, you know, they're rejecting that piece of paper, you know,
in terms of college, because, you know, that's just what the
world requires, and I don't wanna do what the world requires, da-da-da-da-da,
but then you find out that they're a journeyman electrician. Right? But because they're in a trade
and that's a different piece of paper, they don't even see
the hypocrisy in it, right? But they're still jumping through
a hoop mandated by the state and or a union in order to get
to a career. It's not a four-year institution
or university, but they're still doing whatever or doing something
in compliance, complying with licensing requirements and so
on and so forth. So the question is not whether
or not there's a piece of paper involved. The question is, are
we exercising proper stewardship in whatever pursuits we're going
after? Thank you. Yep. Should we have a youth church
to disciple young people or should we not have a youth church to
disciple young people? We shouldn't have a youth church
for anything. There is a church, period. I mean, Christ died for his bride,
not segments of the bride. There is his bride. There is
a church. We shouldn't have a youth church
any more than we should have a black church and a brown church and
a red church, right? We wouldn't do that. to other people. We don't divide
the body. Christ died to unite his body, not to divide it. And so we don't divide what Christ
has united. And this whole concept of a youth
church, this whole concept of a youth ministry, is something
that is very new historically. It's only about 50 years old,
which is the first huge red flag. And secondly, the purposes of
it are derived from a misconception, and that is the so-called generation
gap. That's something that nobody
talked about until the 1960s or whatever. The other thing
is that it mitigates against the biblical model of ministry,
which is older mentoring younger relationally in the church. So,
I mean, for all these reasons, no, absolutely not. And then
finally, here's the kicker. You establish your church and
you use the Bible to establish your church, right? And when
you use the Bible to establish your church and you don't create
a youth church or a youth ministry, have you done something that
is unbiblical? Can somebody come in and say, hey, as I read the
scriptures, there's something that's supposed to be here that's
obviously not? The answer is no, because it's
not in there. It's just not in there. And so
when we start determining how we structure the church, the
question that we need to ask is, what do we find in the text
and how can we be faithful to what we find in the text? When
that's your approach, you're not going to come up with age-segregated
ministries. You're just not, because you're
not going to find them in the text. So they're just not there. So now I've said it live. Thank you for letting me have
fun with you. Thank you. Yes? And then we'll go, I saw you,
we'll get you. Okay, his premise is that the
church needs to be engaged in this homeschooling process. and
that because the church is failing to do what it needs to do in
being engaged in this educational process, that these other ministries
are popping up. So how do we then engage in this
process so that these other ministries are not needed? Is that? Okay,
I wouldn't agree with the premise. I don't agree that the church
needs to be engaged in any way in homeschooling. That's the
sphere of the home. It's not the sphere of the church.
That's my responsibility as a husband and a father. So yeah, I wouldn't
agree with that premise. I don't support that. Why do
I need to support that? Why does the church need to support
that? I mean, scripturally, what would be your argument that the
church needs to support home education in any way? Yeah, yeah, no that that wouldn't
be something that I mean that's a sphere sovereignty of the home
You know now if the church wants to have a school Then that's
great But even if the church has a school of some kind and
other people determine that they're going to homeschool This school
doesn't have any sphere sovereignty over the homeschoolers At all. Does that make sense? When people
decide to homeschool, that's them making a decision and taking
autonomy and authority in their home. As a pastor, I have no
business whatsoever, you know, unless I see gross sin and immorality,
you know, I have no business whatsoever trying to govern that
in any way. Now, if we determine that because
of our circumstances or whatever, that it would be helpful for
us as a church to have a school as an outreach, let's do it. But that still doesn't give me
sphere sovereignty over homeschoolers. Does that? You got another follow up? Or is
that? OK. Okay, what do you tell the parents
who have children who are homeschooled who don't have an opportunity
to be engaged with other children concerning the development of
their children, and specifically in areas of communication and
things like that? First thing I tell them is have a lot more
kids. That would help, that would help a great deal. But the second
thing that I tell them is that is the beauty of the body of
Christ, because there's a lot of kids in the church. Right? And so now we have access to
other families and not just on the Lord's day, right? But we
don't just share a day together. We share life together. So now
we got other families that we can interact with. We got things
that we can, you know, do together with them. And that is a huge
benefit. That is a huge benefit to folks.
But again, that's not something that the church as an organization
has to do or even oversee. That's something that we as believers
need to take advantage of. And I think a lot of times what
happens is, because of this mentality, this program mentality that we
have, I think a lot of times families sit back and feel like
the church needs to give them permission to do things. And that's just not the case.
When you understand sphere sovereignty, it really helps you to eliminate
a lot of those problems. All right. Yes. You just said
that age, that color are no basis to divide the church. Right.
And in our hearts, we all said, amen. What about doctrine? Where should doctrine divide
the church? Where should it define the church and where it does
divide the church? How do we approach it? You remember what I told you
yesterday when we had our little private conversation? Amen. You
remember that? Yes. And I told you how delighted
I've been to meet you this weekend, and the times that we've talked
in private, and the time that you've asked questions in public,
and how I feel like you're my brother from another mother.
You just confirmed that, because that's what I'm getting ready
to talk about. Amen. Amen. Thank you. I'm going to get to
it right now. Spirit between us the whole time
we've been here. Yeah, I got a new buddy in Arizona. All right. And I'm just going to
say this. To me, this is also the beauty
of the body of Christ. Even when we had a disagreement on something,
it was just a delightful thing. And that's the beauty of the
body of Christ, folks. That's the liberty that we have
as Christians with one another.
Biblical Worldview Q & A
Series Family Vision Conference 2015
| Sermon ID | 219151645524 |
| Duration | 11:54 |
| Date | |
| Category | Conference |
| Language | English |
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