Looking at our world from a theological perspective, this is the Theology Central Podcast, making theology central. Good afternoon, everyone. It is Monday, February the 17th, 2025. It is currently 3 p.m. Central Time, and I am coming to you live from the Theology Central studio located right here in Abilene, Texas. Now I know it seems like a long, long, long, long time ago in a galaxy far, far, far, far away, but it was really, well, it was just 2024. I know that seems like forever ago, but if you remember 2024, do you remember 2020? You don't remember anything about 2024. I don't blame you. I understand. If you can try really hard, in 2024, this very podcast, I spent the entire year trying to get you to go to the Apple App Store or the Google Play Store and download the Sermons 2.0 app. I tried everything in my power to get you to download that app over and over and over. Download the Sermons 2.0 app. We even had what we called the Sermons 2.0 App Sermon Challenge. I told everyone to buy a notebook, right? And then listen to a sermon, one sermon per day, random. Just choose a random sermon from the Sermons 2.0 app. And then I wanted you to then just write down the name of the sermon, the church or the broadcaster, and then just write a one sentence summary about the sermon. So by the end of 2024, you would have one sermon for every single day of the year. We did a lot of different things, trying to encourage it, challenging it, trying to make it interesting, trying to make it creative. Get the Sermons 2.0 app and listen to sermons. because it's this amazing resource where between 5,000-6,000 sermons are added every single week. You could spend your life just listening to sermons using that app and you would never even get anywhere close to exploring all of the content that is there. I did everything in my power to try to get people to download the app and use it. Now, if I look at some statistics, if I look at some statistics that I have available for me, all right, I don't have numbers for sermon audio in general, but if I go to my sermon stats, this'll just give you, It is crazy from what I can tell. And if I go back and look at every single month, it's the same way. Even in months where we have 30,000 downloads, in months where we have 20,000, it doesn't matter if it's 20,000, 30,000, 40,000, doesn't matter if it's just a few thousand, whatever our numbers are for our downloads and streams, 90%, probably 95% of them do not come from the app. They come from, I guess, the website. It appears that the audience for the Sermon Audio audience, if we call it that, they don't use the mobile app. They don't use the Sermons 2.0 app. They use the website, which just is so weird to me. Like, why are you using the website? It's 2025. Why wouldn't you be using an app? Maybe people don't have a phone or they don't, I don't get it, but they don't use the app. Now that's fine. You're using the website. That's great. That's awesome. Some of you are still using the old website, which I don't even have any clue what you're doing with that. Okay. That is even, there's a broadcaster every time I, he constantly on his video, he'll pull up the sermon audio website. And I'm like, why, why is he using the website that went away? I don't know, 75 years ago. It's really weird. The audience seems very, Resistant? Is that a good word? We're not going to use the app. We're not going to use the new website. We are going to stay in the year 19, I don't know, 98. I don't know what year it is. Okay. But for those of you, and so I would challenge you for those who haven't, open up the Apple App Store or the Google Play Store and download the Sermons 2.0 app. Please do that right now, okay? Please do that. Now, the reason I'm returning to this discussion, the reason I'm mentioning this is because I don't know when. I don't know when, but coming soon, I think we may be getting a new app. Now, if you'll go to sermonaudio.com, this is where you need to go to the website. If you go to sermonaudio.com and you go to News, the News tab, and then when you get to the News tab, look for Release Notes, and you'll see Release Notes February 2025. And you will read this. This was published on February the 14th, 2025, Valentine's Day. So while you were running out having a romantic dinner and looking into the eyes of your spouse or whatever you were doing, this was released. So I got to catch you all up for those of you who were celebrating Valentine's Day. day all weekend. For everyone else who was off doing that, here's what was happening. This was published again on February the 14th, 2025. Breathtaking amount of work accomplished in this past week Number one, New Sermon Manager launched. That has no impact on you. It doesn't matter to you. That's for us who are broadcasters, right? And I remember when it was launched because I was trying to upload something. I'm like, what just happened? Everything just changed. I figured it out within a couple of minutes, but for a minute I was like, wait, what would happen? And of course, anytime anything changes, there's that initial reaction. Well, I liked it the way it was, but typically if you'll spend a few minutes with something, a lot of times you'll see that the change was actually better. I know it's hard. I remember when Sirius XM, they released their new app. Everybody's like, oh, what's wrong? I can't find deep tracks. What's wrong? And then we're all whining and complaining about it. Just everyone calm down. So, but for a minute I was like, how do I upload the sermon? I'm like, and so then I just looked around, took a few minutes and now I'm pretty good with it right now. And I mean, obviously I've been uploading, so everything was good. Now it stopped working the other day for about 45 minutes. So that was like, I wanna upload my content, but they got it fixed and everything was working. So that doesn't really bother you. You don't care what it looks like as long as the stuff is uploaded. But the second thing got my attention. Sermons 3.0 app nearing release candidate. So that means it's getting close to being released. I guess what they'll do is, I think that means they release it to the Google Play Store, the Apple App Store. I think this is what it means. And then they have to wait for approval, then it will be released. So I don't know how quickly it may, you know, I'm hoping, I mean, I want it now, right? I want to see it now. I mean, come on. Hey guys, Use me for the beta tester. Why, why not? I mean, I, I've been promoting your app like crazy for over a year. Okay. Use me for the beta testing. Come on, come on. All right. But so we're going to get a new one. I don't know when, I don't know when, but it is coming. Now, the other things they mentioned is the vault is taking on webcasting load. Probably doesn't have any impact on any of us and more tutor learned videos released. So they're going to release videos, giving us tutorials on how to use things. Maybe. Now, so far, I think the tutorials I've seen is mainly for the broadcasters. Maybe there's some tutorials for the users. I don't know. I'd have to go look. And it says, the new sermon manager is an important stepping stone to the ultimate goal of global sermons. We're in a hard hat zone. Appreciate your patience. Now, my understanding of the global sermons, my understanding the way this is going to work, is basically using artificial intelligence It's going to be able to take anything, any episode I upload, any message I teach, and then utilizing artificial intelligence will make that message available in multiple languages and a natural sounding voice. So then my message will be heard in Spanish or in Russian or whatever languages that will be available. And so anyone from around the world will be able to hear what I have to say in their language and I don't have to learn the language. That is an amazing, awesome tool. I can't wait to see that nearing its completion. And I don't know how that's going to work and everything about it. that's pretty awesome. So I'm, again, for me, I'm focused on the Sermons 3.0 app, the Sermons 3.0 app, and I continue to promote it. Now, I know what some of you may be thinking, but you have reviewed who knows how many sermons from the Sermons 2.0 app, and of course, it'll be the same sermons available in the Sermons 3.0 app, and you have, well, you've not always been happy with what you've heard. No, I haven't. And that has nothing to do with the Sermons 2.0 app or the Sermon Audio platform. It just has more to do with, I tend to find myself on the outside looking in. There goes mainstream Christianity, and I'm on the outside. I'm the voice of dissent. I'm the alternative voice. But I think that's okay, because to me, One, it gives the listener the chance to hear what is pretty much, I mean, most of the sermons kind of fit in with what everyone else says. I think it's good to have me offer a counterpoint, and when I do a review, you get to hear the original point, my counterpoint, and then you get to decide. I think that that's beneficial. But let me make it very clear. All right, now sometimes I don't sound like this. I always try to, I kind of wear my emotions, you know, on my sleeve. So you always kind of hear when I'm just discouraged, depressed, despondent, frustrated, because I can get that way listening to sermons. But at the same time, I think it should be clear to everyone, no matter how good the sermon is, no matter how bad the sermon is, I always take something from it and try to turn it into something positive. Remember Psalm 83? Those sermons were atrocious in what they were doing in Psalm 83, but that turned into, I don't know, an entire summer of study. all that we're doing on Isaiah 40 through Isaiah 55. It's all motivated and influenced and inspired by bad sermons on Isaiah 40 through 55. It doesn't matter if it's a good sermon, if it's a bad sermon. If you'll take the Sermons 2.0 app, listen, and then actually do work, question it, think about it, study it, research it, look at this, look at that, look at that, then that bad sermon may actually lead you into multiple hours of study where a good sermon, you may just hear it and move on. Sometimes it's the bad sermons that are better. And of course, when I say bad or good, that's from my theological perspective. I mean, let's just remember in Christianity, everyone thinks their sermons are good. Everyone thinks their sermons are best. And everyone thinks their theology is right. That's another maddening thing. So, even though I have my disagreement, I still, I mean, I open up the Sermons 2.0 app countless times a day. If I wake up in the middle of the night, many cases I will open it up and just hit play on whatever I stumble upon. and it always gives me something. It's this amazing resource, whether you agree or disagree with it, it's hard to find any platform where between 5,000 to 6,000 sermons, Bible studies, devotional messages, cultural commentary, is being added basically around the clock. I mean, you can sit there and go to the Discover tab in New Sermons, and they're constantly new things, new things, new things, new things, new things. Now, I do find it difficult sometimes to discover the old content because so much new content. I wish they had some better discovery tools, but we'll talk about that in just a minute. So, I don't know when it's coming. I don't know when. Now, the best thing you can do now is go download the Sermons 2.0 app and then be checking for updates because then the Sermons 2.0 app will turn into the Sermons 3.0 app and you'll already be ready to go. So I wish we could increase the mobile plays. I don't know what Sermon Audio itself experiences, but I think they would agree that probably most people are not using the mobile app. That just seems so weird to me. Why not? But okay. So here's what I want to do. I'm going to express some of the things I'm hoping to see in the Sermons 3.0 app. I'm going to give you some things I'm hoping to see. These are some things I'm hoping to see. Number one, what I'm absolutely hoping to see. Well, I don't know if these are in order of importance, but I'm just gonna go to the top of my head. One of the things I want to see is them change this limit they have on how many broadcasters you can follow. Right now it's like 32, 34. That to me is bizarre. Like why is there a limit? Like on any podcasting app that I get anywhere, it doesn't matter if I'm paying for it or if it's free, You can follow and subscribe to as many podcasts as you want, right? I mean, some of my podcast apps, I probably subscribe and follow between four to 500 different podcasts. And that's not even an exaggeration, right? Some of them are hourly news updates, like every hour, right? NPR Now, I can go ABC News. ABC, that one's always messed up. It never updates the one. when it should. 24-7 news from NBC, CBS, Associated Press, Al Jazeera, World Today from Canada, BBC. I mean, all of them. I subscribe to so many different things. I've never had one going, sorry, you follow too many things. Never, never. So it's weird that you get to like 32 or 34 and it's like, sorry, you've overreached your limit. So go delete someone you're following. First, as a broadcaster who pays $60 a month, I want the people using the app to have an unlimited amount of things they can follow because I want them to be able to follow me. When they go to their feed tab, right? When they go to the feed tab, there's a high probability they're going to see my content, but they're not going to see my content in their feed tab if they can't follow me. I may be their 50th favorite broadcaster, and they're like, well, don't have room for you. If they don't see your content, they don't listen to your content. Come on, guys, help me out, okay? I want people, and I know what they may say, well, most people will never follow that many broadcasters. Well, okay, well, then let the most broadcasters are the most people I can't worry about. I want to find those few people who will listen to multiple broadcasters, right? I mean, come on. I mean, the most, if the most don't follow that many, then there's a chance they don't follow me at all, but maybe they would. So I hope they fix that and it'll be, I don't know. You say, what should the limit be? If you're going to put a limit, let's go with a hundred. Let's go with a hundred, right? I mean, if you're going to put a limit, I would really like to push it to 200, really, really. I mean, I would, but at least 100, you know, if you really have to, can we at least get 50? How about 60? Maybe 70? Can we go with 80? Anything more than 32, and it's some weird number, like 32, 34, like what? It's not 35, it's not 30, it's not 40. It's like, what is it? It's just crazy. So I know that may be a big undertaking, but for crying out, every, every podcasting app in the world allows for that. So I hope they fix it. I didn't even know that there was a possibility of placing a limit. I'll never forget when I was like, what is going on? I can't add someone else? Well, sorry, you got to go. Sorry. Sorry, you got to go. And guess what? The ones who go Unless they show up in the new sermons tab, I'm probably not going to see their content. Probably no, it's out of sight, out of mind. What do I do? I go to my feed tab. Like I'm going to open up the sermons 2.0 app right now. I'm going to open up the sermons 2.0 app right now. Okay, hang on, I'm gonna go to feed. I'm gonna go to the feed tab, all right? All right, hang on, it's thinking. All right, the newest sermon I have right now is Daily United Prayer. It was posted an hour ago. Waiting, a punishment or gift? That sounds like an interesting discussion. Next is from Grace Baptist Church posted an hour ago, Christ's Vindicated Part Three. I may need to go back to Christ's Vindicated Part One, right? The Seven Sayings of Christ intro. Well, that could be good. Next, Ephesians 6, Victory in the Christian Life. Oh, you know, I could have some issues with that one. Oh, Ambassador Baptist College, that's from this morning. What is your Babylon? Is it an acceptable use of Babylon being symbolic or not? Okay, all right. Oh, this one is good. Four truths about trust. Oh, then I have one here, trying the spirits. Now see, just my feed, that's where I may go and pick. Now I may go to the discover tab for new sermons. Those are the two places I'm going to find stuff. But if I'm limited in what can go in my feed, well, then I'm not going to find the stuff. And well, then as a broadcaster, I need people to find my stuff, right? I mean, if you're paying so much money to be on a platform, you want your stuff to be discoverable, right? So that's the first thing I want them to hopefully change. Second thing, notifications. Notifications. When I, on any podcasting app, look, and I mean this, there are some podcasting apps where their notification system is trash, right? And almost inevitably, I'm deleting it. Because look, there are so many podcasts out there. You know what will happen? I'll get a notification, I'll see that, and that's when in many cases, I'll tap on it and say, even if I don't listen right then, I will save it because I see it. If people don't see it, it doesn't exist. So when I upload something, I want people to be able to get a notification, one, if they follow me, but see, there can't be a limit on following me, because if there's a limit in following things, then they won't be able to follow me to get the notifications, right? So I want them to be able to follow and get the notifications whenever I upload, and this is even more important, when I go live. But I would also like the ability that I could just get notifications for the entire site when anybody goes live, when anybody uploads. Now that would be crazy amount of notifications, but at least, maybe at least for the people I follow. But then I need you to increase the amount of people I can follow, right? But wouldn't it be great that you can get notified when someone is going live? Anyone in some ways, I think that's cool. Oh, a new live webcast is about to start because then I can decide if I wanna watch it or not. They've got to increase the number of broadcasters that you can follow, and they need a notification system. The Church One notification system is superior than anything else we've ever utilized, so I'm hoping that same notification system—they already have it, they built it—can be applied to the Sermons 2.0 app. So those are two things I'm desperately looking for. The third thing I want them to fix is the radio tab. If you go to the radio tab in the Sermons 2.0 app, you have Sermon Audio Radio 24-7, and then VCY America Radio. I think they should possibly partner, maybe, I don't know if they could partner with some others, like maybe Bible Broadcasting Network, or maybe, you know, yeah, that was the first one I would go with, or Fundamentalist Broadcasting Network. There could be some others, and see if you can make their radio feeds available through your app. That'd be a good partnership, right? I think it would be pretty cool. But here's the thing, that I love the radio. I love the radio feed. I love having it there. But the sermon audio radio, it's cool the way they do things, right? They play a little music, a little devotional thoughts, maybe even just a small clip from a sermon. That's cool. That breaks it up. I like that. But man, I wish they would, how can we say this? Expand the selection. Now I know they may want to control it to the people they like and the people they want to promote. But all these broadcasters are paying $60 a month to be on the platform. You would hope that there would be some times that the radio would be pulling from other sermons on a more random basis, right? A more random basis. And I also would like if they, you know, I don't know how much it would be to have someone kind of curate it, right? Like a human being, right? Like have someone like literally coming on the air going, Hey, welcome to Sermon Audio Radio for Monday, February the 17th, 2025. Coming up next, we're going to do three sermons on glorification. Three random sermons on glorification. Here we go. then do the first one. And then the first one is from this broadcaster. And then come in after that and say, all right, coming up next, we're going to have a sermon on Psalms chapter 22, or whatever the case may be. Kind of introduce it, give it a personal touch. I don't know. I know that probably is asking a lot. But even if you don't do that, Man, you got to pull from—you got millions of sermons available. I mean, sometimes if you listen, I mean, you can go—you pull up the sermon audio radio, go listen to it for the day. See how many different things you get. Sometimes you'll feel like you're hearing the same people, and you're like, there's got to be other broadcasters on here. Now, maybe you don't like them, and I understand. Because where I'm going with this is discoverability, how to make things discoverable. And discovery, that's a key issue in all streaming services. So we want to be able to increase the number of people that someone can follow. We want notifications. And I think the Sermon Audio radio feature is an awesome thing. I think you should expand it. I think you should expect, and I think you should try to look to get Sermon Audio radio available on TuneIn, iHeartRadio, many of these other platforms that have radio. See if you can submit the Sermon Audio radio feed to those other platforms, and you can use it to promote Sermon Audio and the Sermons 3.0 app. I think you should look to get it wherever there are radio feeds. iTunes and iHeartRadio are the two that I know have all kinds of internet radio stations. Well, get Sermon Audio everywhere you can get it, all right? I think that's important as well. All right, so those are a couple of things, right? So the how many people you can follow, notifications and the sermon audio radio. The fourth thing is just increase other unique ways to help people discover content, right? I like the collections idea, the collections idea they're doing. I don't think, hang on, let me look here, discover. Yeah, if you look at the discover tab, you've got newest sermons, you've got category, you have scripture, you have popular topics. those popular topics are not moving, they're not changing based on what's actually popular at any given time. The first one is 9-11 tragedy. Is that a popular topic now, the 9-11 tragedy? Maybe it was. I would wish that the popular topics would be updated throughout the day, hourly, You know, what people are searching for based off that. Staff picks, okay, that's great. Series picks, that's great. Newest series, that's good. Popular categories, now they do have trending hashtags. I wish there was a better way to get kind of what's trending, but guess what they don't have here? Where's the collections? Remember they started that collection thing, like prayer and then having different sermons on prayer. I don't see the collections here. I don't see it on the home. Let's see, if I have it on the home, I'm looking. Yeah, they don't have the collections anywhere. Well, we, we, we, in other words, you've got to come up with new ways to help people discover the older content because you just, if you'll go look, I mean, I can demonstrate this to you. You, you upload your sermon, you upload a new broadcast. You got about 48 to 72 hours, maybe, maybe even that for people to notice it. Possibly you really actually for people to find it, you basically got just a few hours. Actually, you basically just have a few hours, because it's going to either show up in their feed at the very top when you first upload it, it's going to show up in new sermons, and then it's over, it's gone. So really you only have, I take that back, you don't have 72 hours. You got maybe 30 minutes, maybe an hour, and then your content is buried under. I mean, they're uploading 5,000 to 6,000 sermons a week. There's just no way. You're going to get buried under an avalanche of content, right? So we got to come up with new discovery tools. And it's not even about me. It's for all those broadcasters. sometimes i'll find some sermon that's been there for like a year and it'll be like seven listens and i'm like that's an that's horrifying i feel bad i want to just i just sit there and keep listening over and over and over like let's at least get them to 50 let's at least get them okay maybe i'm gonna download this a hundred times let's get them to a hundred i mean come on i mean it's been there for a year and it's collecting dust i mean like that's crazy That's why we did the Sermons 2.0 App Sermon Challenge, and I'm trying to have you look for random things, right? I was trying to help, and I gave you certain things to search for, right? Search for this topic, search for this scripture, and then just choose randomly. Don't worry about the date. And sometimes we discovered a lot older sermons. Hopefully we got some people some extra listens and some extra streams, but there's gonna have to come some new ways to help people discover. Every service struggles with this, right? Ever, ever, every single, I mean, think of, if you go Spotify, Spotify does so with their discovery weekly, you know, playlist where you get a playlist trying to help you discover new music, your release radar, you know, new music that way. They got different playlists that are updated, lots of different things done. So maybe, I know they have a series, maybe they could have a series That's kind of like a Discovery playlist, where it's a series put together by Sermon Audio, and they add like 10 sermons a week, randomly, just to put them in there. It's like your Discovery weekly playlist. And they can call, they don't have playlists on here, but they have series and it can be a series. Anybody can follow the series and you'll get notified anytime they up, uh, they change it and you get 10 new sermons every week and they just randomly random. They've got to be random. They can't go, go, well, these are the people who support us, or these are our favorite broadcasters. If all you're going to do is promote your favorites and pro. Well, then everyone else is left in the dust. So I'm hoping they come with some new—I mean, I could probably come up with a hundred different ways of helping discover things. The collection idea is great, but I think just a sermon, audio, your weekly—what could we call the series? New sermons weekly or something along those lines, right? And then every week you get 10 sermons, every week, and they just choose them. It could be a sermon, it could be commentary, it could be a devotional, it could be anything, anything, anything like that, right? And I think that's another cool thing that they could do. It would be awesome if they could do some kind of a scheduling tab where it shows you the schedule, like people could put in the schedule for their live webcast and then you could look. I don't know, that would probably be a little bit more complicated to operate. But the thing is discovery, right? Discovery is difficult here. So, because if I look at the home tab, Oh, you got the featured sermon, which is great. That helps you discover something. People pay what? They pay money to have that featured sermon there. Then you got staff picks. Now, if you look at the staff picks, if you look at the staff picks, you have a lot of the classic audio books. You got sermon audio classics. You've got Bob Jones. I think you have, you have kind of a specific, you know, I wish, I wish you would maybe a set of staff picks. I guess you could have staff picks, but maybe a category random picks, like, you know, like a, a random, it just pulls up randomly that can be just have the computer or some software just randomly choose one, Well, I don't know how often they update the staff picks, but maybe randomly choose three hourly, change it hourly, change it every four or five hours, something. And you're just pulling, I mean, way back from the art, you just, anything, randomly, you're just choosing. It's just like a luck of the draw. You're casting lots, okay? And oh, that's the sermon that goes there. All right, if you look here, And then you've got the stuff you follow, followed series and followed broadcasters. But that's great that they list those, but I've got a limited number that I can follow. Newest sermons, I still think that's one of the best tabs they have. I'm just looking at the homepage and then they have features and then they have their sponsors. If I go to this discovery, newest sermons, categories, again, the popular topics. I wish that was popular or trending. I wish that was updating. frequently, you know, frequently. Here's what's trending today. Here's what's, you know, and it's a new thing. Again, the series picks, that's again being picked, I think, by the staff. I wish it would be series, you know, series, your new series radar or something. Now Siri thinks I'm trying to talk to her. No, thank you. All right. So, yeah. And then popular categories, again, popular categories, Can they, are popular based off what? Like if I think popular, I'm thinking what is going right now? What's happening right now? And then users comments, speakers, broadcasters, features. So that's kind of what's on the discover tab. So those are some of my initial thoughts of things that they could do, right? increase the number of people you can follow, notification, fix the, or not just fix, make better the radio tab or the radio itself, and then just come up with some discoverability, discovery to help people discover new things, only because you've got this, it's like a library, right? It's like this huge library, gigantic library of millions of sermons. But if it's in section Z, nobody's walked by the section in 15 years and it's collecting dust, then that's kind of like all of that content is of no value unless someone can find it. Now, I know people can find it searching. They can search, but I'm always curious. I wonder what comes to the top. Is the most recent? Now you've got filters. You can do things that way, but you've got to get the... See, that requires the people to be like, oh, I'm going to search this way. I'm going to change the filter. I'm going to do this. I'm going to do that. That still requires a lot of work on the user's behalf. And what we do know in 2025, is that users are very, they almost want to approach the apps in a more passive way. They just want the content to be there for them. They don't want to necessarily go looking for it. Because once you start looking, then you know how it can just be, people will talk about this with Netflix or other things. You'll just start looking. It's like one thing after another, after another. I don't even know what to choose from. I can't find anything. Because you kind of need it put right there before you. People can start searching. You're just scrolling through one sermon after another sermon after another sermon. What do you choose from? So I don't know what changes are coming. I have no idea. But those are the ones I would like to see. That's just my own personal opinion. Let me make it very clear. What I want would probably be very different than what you want. So I'm not saying my preferences should outweigh anybody else's preferences. I'm just stating my preferences because, well, I have a microphone and because I am trying to do everything I can to promote people to get it. So maybe I throw out my preferences and everyone will be interested to see if my preferences show up in any way, shape, or form. And then you'll go to the Apple App Store, the Google Play Store right now, and download the Sermons 2.0 app. Oh, and by the way, This is kind of sad, in my opinion, because we got millions of people who claim to be Christians, right? If I go to the app store right now, I type in the Sermons 2.0 app, Sermons 2.0, there it is. Ladies and gentlemen, it only has 66 ratings. Millions of Christians, and you can't get above 66 ratings? They should have, people can't take five minutes to give it a five, and it only has 4.0. It doesn't even have five stars. Come on now. I don't know what it has in the Google Play Store. Can I pull it up in the Google Play Store? Let me see here. Can I get to the Google Play Store? Let me look here. Google Play. Let me see what we can pull up here. Google Play Store. All right, for that evil Android apps, can I get it to open? Can I do a search here? Let me do a search here. Do a search, Sermons. 2.0, there it is, and it shows up. It only has, oh, wow. Okay, obviously most people using this are Android users. It has 338 reviews, but look at this. It's at a 3.0. That's brutal. It has 500, it only has 50,000 downloads, that's it? 50,000? That's insane. Isn't it like Christians like, I don't want to listen to sermons, right? Do you have people in your church? You can say, hey, download the Sermons 2.0 app. What's the difficult? I don't know. Can I get to the reviews? Hang on. Can I get to the reviews here? I don't think I can get to the reviews on my Apple device. I wanted to see if I could read the reviews. That's horrifying. 3.0, I'm assuming it goes to 5.0 and only 50,000 downloads. That's horrible. The church one app has 4.4. That's kind of brutal. 50,000 downloads. I get more than 50,000 downloads a month. Like, what is that? I mean, come on. I mean, that's a whole platform. Come on. Yeah, that's got to get fixed. Come on, guys. Come on. If you haven't given it a rating and you haven't written a review, please consider writing a review and giving it a star rating in the Google Play Store or the Apple App Store. Please consider that because that gives it more notice. I know we can take it for granted. We can be like, yeah, whatever. It's just a bunch of sermons. That's kind of what we're supposed to be about as Christians, is listening to Bible teaching, right? Whether we like it or whether we dislike it. Whether we agree with it or disagree with it. It gets us into the word, so consider that. All right, I wanted to just take a few minutes to, it took 40 minutes to talk about it. Again, I don't have any insight. I don't have any, I mean, if they wanna give me the beta test, I'll start testing it right now and I can test it live on the air and tell everyone what I'm seeing. You probably don't want me doing that. But yeah, I'm definitely willing to offer any feedback. I mean, we spent all of 2024 promoting the app. That's all we did in 2024. A lot of people say, all you did was criticize. No, I kept telling people to go listen. Every sermon we criticized, what did I say? Go listen to it, download it, stream it. I would tell you to go download the entire series. We constantly promote what we're reviewing. We're trying to get people to listen to it and download it. So download the Sermons 2.0 app and please, please, If you haven't given it, come on, give it a review, do something. Give it some, I mean, I do the same thing with the podcast. I mean, I don't do it all the time. I like most podcasters. Most podcasters is like, please consider, you know, giving us a five-star rating and writing a positive review. Please do that, please. It's like, I mean, that's a normal thing for podcasters to promote because that's how things are found and discovered. So, yeah, if I want sermon audio, to help all broadcasters get their content discovered. Well, I can't worry about them making my content and putting my content somewhere where it can be discovered if I'm not gonna help them get discovered by having people download the app. So, download the app. I mean, that's just 3.0? That's crazy. 50,000? 50,000? You know what, that... If you take all the broadcasters on the Sermons 2.0 app, 95% of them are churches. Those churches have 50, 100, 200, 300, 400 people. You haven't gotten everyone in your church to download the Sermons 2.0 app? You can't even get the people who go to church to download? You think just having the people who attend all of the churches represented on the Sermons 2.0 app would be 100,000, 200,000, 300,000 downloads? Hey, but hey, I know how that works. I know how that works, okay? I mean, I promoted the Church One app and the Sermons 2.0 app for an entire year, and I think it was this year I found out that a good portion of people in my own church had not even downloaded the Church One app at all. Okay, I've only spent a year promoting it, right? Sometimes I don't know what you can do. Maybe you could just have someone standing at the door and when people leave church, let me, give me your phone. There you go, you have the Sermons 2.0 app on your phone. Next, okay, next. And just, nobody can leave the church until I put the Sermons 2.0 app on your phone. There you go, that's what pastors need to do. Have people standing at the doorways. You cannot leave. Hand me your phone. I don't want an app where I can listen to sermons. I don't want that on my phone. I'm sorry. What's even worse is when you're on an app like Sermons 2.0 app, where you have the Church One app, and then you're preaching and you start doing a review and people are like, well, I wasn't here. Oh man, whenever someone says that to me, I just want to go, you're right. I know you weren't here. It would be great if we had some way when you're not here, you could listen to the sermon. Like it'd be cool. Like there could be like an app and you could like listen, you know, like on your phone, like in the morning or in the afternoon, or you could download it, or wouldn't that be—I wonder what we should call this thing. Maybe the internet? I don't know, maybe an app? Maybe the Church One app? Maybe the Sermon Super—wouldn't it be cool if you could, like, I know that's very sarcastic, I'm sorry. Yeah, I almost lose it when people say that. Well, we weren't here. How are we supposed to know the answers? I don't know. Because the sermon was uploaded 35 minutes after it was preached. I don't know. So yeah, that drives me crazy. So there we go. Hopefully, we can get more people to use it and maybe in 2025. I'm hoping to see what they do with the 3.0. I'm hoping for something good, right? Positive? So what are your preferences? What do you want for the app? What do you want? I want to be able to follow more broadcasters. I want a notification system. I want the radio to maybe expand and add more so it's a good tool to use. And I want some, you know, to help other. And I mean it. And I truly mean this. I don't, I'm not saying this in any other way. I mean this and I'll end with this. For all the guys at Sermon Audio, you can keep my content hidden. All right. That's fine. Help everyone else out. All right. Help everyone else out. because those churches are paying money. Help their content be discovered. Help them be found. Help that sermon that someone spent 10, 12 hours preparing, preaching, and uploading. Maybe the people in front of them don't care, but maybe someone online, it could be a great benefit to them. So help people discover more. Now, of course, it's also up to us, the users, to discover more by doing a little work and using what is available. So sometimes, you know, it's on us, but also you want different ways to find it. So if you have any cool ideas, well, you can let them know. You can email Sermon Audio and let them know, and we'll see. I'm going to kind of wait and see, and we'll find out. So be looking for the Sermons 3.0 app. I'm hoping shows up soon. All right, thanks for listening. Everyone have a great day. God bless.