Welcome to Generations with Kevin Swanson. It's about the survival of faith, family, and freedom. It's about the future. He's a father of five, and he's committed to preserving a legacy for the next generation. Here's Kevin Swanson. Welcome to Generations, my friends. This is Kevin Swanson, Executive Director for Christian Home Educators, also a pastor. But the reason I'm here today, I'm a father of five. And in just a moment, folks, on this program, Judge Roy Moore will be joining us. But before that, we've got a few comments here. First of all, you know, we've already made the point that the Muslims are taking over Europe. They're actually Exerting great influence on most of the nations throughout Europe because a the Christians of the humanists aren't having children and be The Muslims are having a lot of children and they are bringing their perspective their worldview to bear on those nations. And what we're going to see, I think, is the Muslims eventually taking over the humanist nations and instituting Sharia law. Now, we of course have humanists persecuting Christians, not allowing Christians to homeschool in places like Germany, but in 20-30 years from now, I don't think it's going to be unusual to see Muslims persecuting humanists. and homosexuals by way of Sharia law. Now the Muslims are also gaining ground in America. For the first time in American history, a Muslim has been elected to Congress. Keith Ellison, a Democrat from Minnesota, is the first Muslim elected to the United States Congress as of the 2006 elections, and now he's announced he's going to take the oath of office holding the Koran, not the Bible. Historically, people have brought the Bible into the swearing-in ceremonies, but he's going to bring in the Koran to the swearing-in ceremonies. Dennis Prager, the other radio announcer on another radio program, has waded in on this one, and Dennis is saying, hey, this is not a good thing because the act will undermine American civilization. Insofar, quote, insofar as a member of Congress takes an oath to serve America and uphold its values, America is interested in only one book, the Bible. If you're incapable of taking an oath on that book, don't serve in Congress. That according to Dennis Prager. His point is the Jews don't have a problem holding the Bible, even though they don't accept the New Testament. Now, as we surf the net on other issues relating to the demise of Christianity in the West, in America especially, here's one from World Net Daily. In God We Trust has been on the coins non-stop since, I think, 1957, and now the official motto has been moved to the side of the dollar coin, just produced by the US Mint. The new gold-colored dollar piece features images of US President, and they want to make the image of the President a little bit bigger, Okay, big ol' face for the President, and they've moved the, in God, little part of it to the edge of the coin there, so God gets the edge and the President gets the big face. So, it's pretty much the direction that we're seeing our United States going. I mean, this is a symbolic thing, folks. This is not essentially what's going on, but this is a reflection of the essence. of the American commitment to God. We're moving God to the edge, to the edge of the coin, to the edge of our existence, the edge of our epistemology and ethics, and also the atheist Michael Newdell is back in the news. He is trying to get In God We Trust scrubbed entirely. from the national motto. And just a week ago or so, Chief Justice Roy Moore filed a front-of-the-court brief in the Ninth Circuit Court where Newdow is appealing his case. And in just a moment we're going to get Judge Moore on the air right here, but first a comment. The polytheism that is taught in the schools, folks, is now being exemplified by the symbols. The public schools and universities have carefully expunged God and the Bible from everything, from the way that we think and the way that we live. They refuse to teach the fear of God as the beginning of wisdom, and if you gut the fear of God from the heart, and that's what we've been doing in the public schools and universities for the last hundred years, if you do it from the heart, then of course the symbols, the external facade is going to come down. The fact of the matter is the heart is gone. It's gone because Our children have been systematically re-indoctrinated in a new worldview, a humanist worldview, which does not allow God as part of the American metaphysic. Ladies and gentlemen, in just a moment, we're going to talk about the symbols. But first, let me say that the belly of the beast that is destroying America is the public schools. It's the indoctrination system by which we are reprogramming the minds and hearts of American children. The belly of the beast is the public schools. But we clip the ear of the beast by fighting the symbols and I think it's important from time to time to clip the ear and talk about the symbols. Clipping the ear of the beast with Judge Roy Moore in just a moment on Generations. My name is Kevin Swanson. Kevin Swanson will be right back. Folks, welcome back to Generations. Good to have you tune in with us today, and we have a treat for you today. Judge Roy Moore has been on this program before, a couple, two, three years ago, and he's back with us today. He served as Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice from 2000 to 2003. He's author of the new book, So Help Me God, and he serves as the chairman of the Foundation for Moral Law in Montgomery, Alabama. Judge Roy Moore, welcome back to Generations. Well, thank you, Kevin. It's nice to be back with you. Yeah, it's great to have you here. And, you know, a lot of things in the news right now, there's a battle going on over the national motto in God We Trust. I think I read that on the dollar coin, it's going, the little phrase in God We Trust, our motto's going on the edge of the coin. That seems to be indicative as to what's going on with America's acknowledgement of God. We're just putting them on the edge of our coins and the edge of our reality. Yeah, we're moving to the edge of destruction, and if you ask me, we're trying to more and more take any relationship of God away from the nation, and that's completely wrong, and it's completely against our history. Yeah, and you made a battle out of this. You went to war over the issue of acknowledging God. Why is it fundamentally so important to you that we as a nation, and Alabama as a state, acknowledge God? because our moral law comes from God, our rights and freedoms come from God, and this is true in the organic documents of the United States, one of which is the Declaration of Independence, according to the United States Code annotated today, that says that the organic law of the country is found in the Declaration of Independence, which simply states, we hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal and endowed by their Creator, with certain unalienable rights, among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. You see, Kevin, this country was founded on a completely different concept than other nations. We were founded upon the concept that God gives us rights and government can't interfere with it. And many nations, of course, dictate what you can and what you can't do about everything, but our nation has a restricted, a limited federal government, supposed to be, and it can't interfere because God gives rights. Now, if there is no God, If they remove the knowledge of God, then the state will pretend to give those rights and then take them away from you, or from us all. And I think that's the very basic difference. We are founded upon the law of nature and of nature's God, according to Thomas Jefferson in the Declaration, and James Madison said it about the Constitution. Now, Judge Moore, as you look at what's going on, as we take God out of our constitutional interpretations and our symbols and so forth, We ultimately are going to give up the God behind our rights and therefore lose our liberties because ultimately it's God who retains those liberties for us, isn't it? Exactly. And that's the only role of government was to secure the rights that God gave us. And of course, you're saying exactly what the Constitution says is that, you know, those rights are protected from government interference. Now, as we look at what's happening with the Keith Ellison case, and we see the first Muslim elected to Congress up in Minnesota, and he wants to hold the Koran, not the Bible, as he takes the oath of office. This is really voting badly for where we're going as a nation. I can't think of any Muslim nation, or even socialist humanist nation, that has ever retained liberty, can you? No, and I think it's a very bad indication of where we are going, and he has been known to associate with groups that actually oppose the Constitution, and I think that that's what's going to happen. He's actually been associated with some of the more radical Islamic mosques, for example, American Open University. The head of that was a man by the name of Idris, and he said that the difference is that Islam is expressed in the Quran and the Sunni, that is the supreme law within the limits of which people have the right to legislate. It supersedes the Constitution, and that all Muslims are sworn to that. So this elephant wants to swear on the Quran, Basically swear that it's laws supersede the Constitution of the United States. You shouldn't be seated. Well, I'll tell you what, if we begin to bring humanist socialists who deny the existence of God, or Muslims who deny the Word of God, the Bible, that is the foundation of this country, I think we've got tyranny to look forward to. I'm not sure if it's the Muslim kind or the socialist kind, but either kind is bad. Either kind is bad, and you're right. When we start doing that, we're basically looking at the destruction of our society and our nation from within. We've never been defeated by a foreign power. And we're asking to be defeated by our own actions here. All right, let's get back to the In God We Trust motto. And you've been fighting for this in the Ninth Circuit. You issued a front-of-the-court brief. What did you say in the front-of-the-court brief on that particular issue? It basically says that the judges should go by the Constitution, not by their own feelings and predilections. They should go by the words in the First Amendment. That doesn't forbid the acknowledgment of God. And this is what this is all about. Many people didn't understand that The battle over the Ten Commandments in Alabama was about the same thing that In God We Trust or One Nation Under God or Prayer in School or whatever you want to talk about. It's all about removing from our thought processes the knowledgement of a sovereign being over the affairs of the state. And that happens to be the God of the Holy Scriptures, the Judeo-Christian God. And we have, throughout our history, recognize that there is a supreme moral power, and we know that is the God of the Holy Scriptures, and that he dictates our moral laws. But, you know, there's an intent to change that. It appears that there is a religious perspective or basic worldview perspective out there, but a lot of folks are saying that the state has got to be religiously neutral or morally neutral and cannot acknowledge any one god, but in the end it seems to me we wind up with a polytheism that is all the gods of the pantheon are recognized in the public schools and in the public sphere, or an atheistic nation that doesn't believe in any kind of a god. What is your take? What do you say when people say that the state has got to be religiously neutral? I say the state can't be religiously neutral because religiously neutral means we disassociate from a particular God and that's what this nation is founded upon. By the organic law and by people like the father of the Constitution, James Madison, who said we couldn't even have a constitution without the laws of God. We have got to recognize it was founded upon a particular God and you can't change that. If you change that, it's like going into a corporation and changing its very basic corporation purposes. You have to reapply to the state to have a new corporation. We have no state to reapply to. Our nation was established on the law of God and when we disassociate ourselves from that, we lose our identity as a nation called the United States of America. Judge Moore, how did we get here? How did we get from James Madison to Michael Newdow and Todd Ellison? That's very easy. Ignorance. Not being educated in what the Constitution means, where our rights come from, and what our forefathers knew so very readily. We have not been taught. In fact, we've been taught that it's not those things. I mean, just a simple example, we just finished Thanksgiving in november and they teach in school it's thanksgiving to the indians not to god and so when you take away the knowledge of god you lose a perspective that our forefathers had of morality and of of social government are you saying that the the core issue is really what's being done the public schools in his public schools are taking us down the wrong road well you look to california and you see in the case of ecklund which is up on appeal now and just been nothing to not searchers spring court the uh... California schools are teaching Islam in their schools. They're teaching the kids how to pray, when to pray, and how to go to Mecca. And that is going to spread across our country if we don't wake up. Yeah, I think the public schools are going to direct the course for the next generation, for the next 20 to 30 years. And whatever is being taught today in the public schools is really going to direct where we're going to be 20, 30 years from now. What do you think the solutions are? Well, I think that people need to get out of the public schools. Parents need to teach their children what they believe. You know, Thomas Jefferson said in his bill for religious freedom that to compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical. I.e., for a person to pay tax money to teach their children something that they should hate is sinful and tyrannical. And that's exactly what's happening in our our nation today. In fact, these parents that protested in California, the school system teaching the Koran, lost in court. And they have no recourse. And I think that's a shame. I think that we've got to recognize that the state's role is not to teach our children. That doesn't mean you can't send your children there if you want, but if you do, you've got to, you know, justify that some way, and I don't think Christians can actually justify sending their children to schools where they teach that they weren't created in the image of God, that they evolved from monkeys. Judge Moore, you know, as we look at this nation, we're a very unique nation in the history of the world. We have a wonderful God-given heritage, and yet we're going downhill, we're spending that heritage fast. But as you look at the richness of our heritage, you've got to believe there's hope for this nation. Well, I think there's always hope when there's always a God. And that's exactly when God works, when it appears hopeless with man. With God, no things are impossible. And I think that's where, you know, we've got to look for our hope is in God. Abraham Lincoln said it so many years ago. He said that it behooves us then to fall upon our knees and repent as a nation. He said that that we have to turn back to the laws of God. And that actually the Civil War, he claimed, was a punishment for our turning away from God. Yeah. What do you think God thinks about our nation today, Judge? Well, I'm not in the business of analyzing what God thinks, but I think that when he sees us welcoming in gods that are not the God upon which we are founded, we've got trouble. I think it's said best in 2 Chronicles, everyone knows the passage that if my people which are called by my name shall humble themselves and pray, they know that passage, but it goes on and says, but if you turn away and forsake my statutes and my commandments and go and serve other gods and worship them, then will I pluck them up by the roots out of my land which I've given them and this house which I've sanctified from the name will I cast out of my sight and make it to be a proverb and a byword down to future ages. And this house which is high shall be an astonishment to everyone that passeth by it, so that he shall say, Why hath the Lord done thus unto this land and unto this house? And it shall be answered, Because they forsook the Lord God of their fathers. That's what we're doing and that's what's liable to happen if we continue to do it. Judge Roy Moore, do you look at any positive signs today as you just look at what's happening? Obviously, there's a lot of bad news out there, but what do you consider to be some of the positive signs of perhaps repentance right now sweeping across this nation? Well, I see that across the nation. I see people recognizing that we've gone the wrong direction and turn around is the only solution. I see a hope in people like yourself, Kevin, and others that are talking about these things on radio and other medium. I think that we've got, I think we've got a hope because I think people are starting to wake up. And they've been asleep for a long time. And during that sleep, if you will, the secular humanists and those that would destroy our nation have been progressing at a rather slow pace, but a steady pace. But I think now they're rushing to the finish line because people are waking up and I don't think they're going to make it. I think that our country is going to turn back to its godly heritage. and recognize where it's real strength lies. Now you referred to the Law of God. I think Abraham Lincoln also referred to that. We've got to get back to the Law of God. And that really was part of your battle as you really went to war for the Ten Commandments. Why are the Ten Commandments so important to you and why should we be teaching them to our children? There's so many reasons. I mean, that's a very loaded question because I could go on for an hour. First, you've got to recognize that the Ten Commandments represent limitation on government. And that's between the first table and the second table of the law. In other words, those duties which we owe to God contained in the first four commandments are outside of the interference of government which can legislate under those laws which said do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not bear false witness. The second table of the law, government can make laws under those laws. But it can't interfere with the first table, and that's the whole basis of the First Amendment to the United States Constitution. Furthermore, we've got to recognize that the Ten Commandments contain our morality. Our morality doesn't come from some organic document like the Declaration or the Constitution. There's no listing of moral laws. Our moral laws come from an understanding of God's law in the Bible. And without that understanding, then we have no guidelines for why marriage should be between a man and a woman, or you shouldn't commit bestiality, or sodomy, or so many things, incest. We've got to understand that our morality comes from the Bible through the common law. And without that acknowledgement of God, we will lose that. And I think what you're saying, what I'm getting is that without God's law, you're going to wind up with two problems, anarchy and tyranny, and both are very bad. Exactly. Ladies and gentlemen, Judge Roy Moore today on Generations. Let me recommend his book, So Help Me God. And I'm going to tell you how to get that in just a moment. But Judge, thank you so much for writing this book and standing up for truth and the Ten Commandments. I think your battle has been one of the very most important battles in our generation. Thank you. Well, thank you, Kevin, and if you would like to see any of these articles, I've been writing on WorldNet daily. For example, we just published one, Jihad on Our Faith. It's coming out tomorrow, I believe, or today at noon. and then we've got many articles we've written on the moral law dot org or website again folks that's moral law dot org on the web for more articles more information about judge roy moore and again i would recommend his book so help me god thanks judge so much again for joining us on generations Thank you, Kevin. And folks, let me encourage you again to get the book, So Help Me God, from Roy Moore. This is a biography and an explanation concerning Roy Moore's stand on the Ten Commandments, judicial tyranny, and the battle for religious freedom in the 21st century. I encourage you to get this book. Listen to this. 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