Well, greetings and welcome to The Dividing Line. It is the 7th of December. Unfortunately for most younger people, Don't know what that means, but I have been in Pearl Harbor. I have stood on the memorial of USS Arizona. One of the battleships I built as a child, a plastic model. I might still have that someplace. I might've finally thrown it out. I don't remember, but maybe I'll talk a little bit more about that later on. But we have a guest to bring on the program. Unfortunately, Rich has his, I'm angry at the computer look on his face. We're all fine now, he says. We'll see. But as we have announced, we are... going to explode the politically incorrect meters on the program today by being joined at the top of the hour. Just briefly, the man's a busy man and he's got lots to do and it's probably been a long day. But Dr. Owen Strand is with us. There he is. Oh, you know what? Where's the hoodie? I thought doing the hoodie thing with Justin was just such a So when you had that look on your face when that guy said what he said about Paul, it just it was perfect. So I'm well Yeah, I I was I was ready for the hoodie But then I intuited through the spirits of the age that you didn't have your Coogee sweater on so I couldn't I Couldn't I couldn't do it man. I had to go I had to go more normal. I What are you going to do if a Coogee sweater shows up in your mail for Christmas? I mean, you wouldn't hurt an old man like me by not wearing a Coogee sweater, would you? I think you are the last man wearing Coogee sweaters, as many folks have observed. And the weird thing is, if you liked 90s rap, like East Coast rap, like I very much did and do, then the Coogee, that is my only previous context for the Coogee sweater, by the way, is like Nas and Jay-Z. And then some years later, James white. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you gotta understand something. I was wearing coogies before they Were out of diapers. Okay. Okay. Um, so I'm, sorry if they tried to steal the uh, the aboriginal australian, uh, beautiful knit, uh things but literally I think I was given my first I think I was given my first Coogee in actually about 93 now I think about it probably but they were extremely expensive and they were not associated with rap yet at all. So I just love colorful stuff and that's all there is to it. Why are we talking about any of this? The world is burning down around us and we're talking about rap things like that. So you are in You are in Conway, Arkansas, and I pretty much know almost exactly where you are at the moment. And we had the opportunity of doing some speaking together just a few months ago now on the Solas. We had a chance to sit down and have lunch and talk, and so the Lord has brought things together so that you all are seeking to try to really do something there with with the seminary. And so today you all have announced that you've decided to completely abandon any hopes of ever being considered politically correct. Right? We have. And by the way, just to tack on there, I think you're the OG Coogee. So I just want to put that in the public stream of thought. Yeah, we are thrilled that I am now your boss. That's right. right so i i want you to know i planned that line before i came on no in all seriousness um uh you are now congratulations you are now professor of apologetics and church history at grace bible theological seminary conway arkansas as you you rightly pointed out you've been here you've preached with us and for us. We have Jeff Johnson and I and our staff and faculty have tremendous appreciation and thankfulness for you and your decades of ministry in the work of apologetics, systematics, church history, and other topics. And so this is honestly a big step forward for us as a school. We've been called a strip mall seminary, and I guess we got to add a new sweater store to the strip mall. I think a GPTS Coogee would really go over well, yeah. But anyway, yeah, yeah, no, yeah, somebody, somebody will do that, a meme of that, but let's not, let's not go there, let's not do that. So, look, the reality is we're facing some of the most amazing challenges that the church and especially Christian education has faced in the United States. There is no question that the current regime is not amenable to the promulgation of a Christian worldview that is directly opposite to the totalitarianism they're trying to shove down everybody's throats. I have made the assertion that I cannot think of a worldview that is more opposed to everything that Christ stood for and taught and stands for today as the risen Lord than secularism does. I mean, it fundamentally says that mankind is an accident. There is no redemption. There's nothing to be redeemed from. There's nothing to be redeemed to. There is no judgment. There is no future. There is no value. It is the negation of the Christian worldview, and yet that is seemingly the direction that our society is running with its hair on fire and its fingers in its ears as we scream after it saying, here's the danger that you're heading for. So to be trying to provide meaningful Christian education at this point in time, lots of challenges. has to be a tremendous amount of flexibility today in light of travel and just the fact that the powers that be want to promote a very different perspective of things than what we are wanting to teach people. So having the flexibility that we have, at the seminary to be able to reach out to all sorts of folks and to also do education within the context of local churches. I mean, this is the way it's going to have to be done in the future. The days of the big box, Seminary with the massive look. I love the smell of a large library I think I mentioned last time we spoke that the smell of of Trinity Live that's the the the reading room at Trinity College in Dublin. Oh, oh, oh That is glorious, it truly, truly is. But look, you can't move that thing real fast. The government knows where it is, you know what I mean? And so the ability to get to people where they are, to get to those who are seeking to faithfully minister where they're actually located, vitally, vitally important in the coming decades. And so it, You of course started, you didn't start the seminary, but you started the discussion because you went the opposite direction of what would have been what you needed to do in the 1990s to quote-unquote keep going up the ladder. Yes. And so that sort of set the tone. And so you're you're you're responsible for all this. So it's all your fault. So you're accused of all that kind of stuff all the time. Anyways, you have to get used to it. But it's true. We if we keep doing things the way we've been doing things, we're going to run into a big brick wall and there's not going to be any way out of it. We've got to be thinking ahead and and we're doing that. So I'm really looking forward to right now, the first class is scheduled for the first weekend in February. And that's, you know, the last time I actually was in a classroom, now I've been teaching church history for a group in Frankfurt for quite some time. That's been really, really enjoyable. But the last time I was in a classroom setting, It was 20, at one point, 28 degrees below zero with about six feet of snow. You know where that was? Samara, Russia. Samara, Russia. That was in January of 19. And so that was last time I had that wonderful opportunity. It's so enjoyable to be in the classroom, to have the conversation, to be, During the breaks, you get to talk with students and things like that. So if people want to get involved, they want to, they've been thinking about, yeah, I really want to pursue these types of things. What's in store for them? What do they need to do? Yeah, well, first of all, a lot of good words there. We're light infantry in this day and age, and we're light infantry on purpose. We don't represent at GBTS Napoleon's divisions. We don't have thousands and thousands of faculty, staff, and students on this campus in Conway, Arkansas. We actually don't really want that though we don't have secular accreditation right now we're pursuing accreditation through arts which is a reformed accreditation agency that other strong seminaries have accreditation through we would have it now but we're younger and so we've only been in existence for just a few years so we're We're not counting our chickens before they hatch, but that is very much the direction we are strongly headed and intentionally pursuing. And we're building a faculty by the day. We just hired Jeff Moore, a Westminster grad last week and New Testament theology and you this week. And I'll say this in public on your program. There's more to come. We're not done yet. And so we just want folks to know that we don't have the backing of, you know, major groups or denominations or something like that. We don't even really care per se what backing we get. What we care about is being faithful to God's word. We recognize actually that there are a lot of entanglements today. The bigger the school, you mentioned this, the bigger the campus. You give thanks for these things. I'm not snotty against these things, but the more you accrue, the more you have to manage. And I will return to my initial metaphor. We are light infantry. We are moving light. We are packing light. And that lets us move fast and hopefully strike hard at Satan's anti-kingdom. Your class is a part of that. It's February 3rd through 5th, 2022, right here in Conway, Arkansas. Those who are interested, and I'm guessing we've already actually had a lot of inquiries today. I mean, a lot of inquiries today. And those who are interested can go to gbtseminary.org. They just fly in or drive in to Little Rock, Arkansas. It's 25 minutes north up the highway. You're here for three days. This is going to be only an in-person class because we're emphasizing that in-person class experience. This one, unlike our other classes, is not going to be on Zoom because we're seeing it as a kind of point of our school, our young school, where we want the student body to gather. We're excited about this happening. So February 3rd through 5th, 2022, go to the website, apply. We have a strong MDiv, 100-hour MDiv. I'm not going to be a salesman here, but I'll just quickly put it out. 100-hour MDiv, which is, by the way, ridiculous in this day and age. Everybody's cutting their MDiv. We're ramping up our MDiv. We're trying to build a Baptist Westminster here. And then we also have two other programs, a shorter master's program in pastoral studies, and then even a certificate for lay elders. So you don't only have to do the MDiv, that's our focus. You can do other programs as well. And as I say, we want students to come. We want them to come for all our classes. We want many of them to move here. And we also want them to come for your modular course and even take classes online, if that's the best way forward. Right, so there are classes that are online, just not all of them. Is there a way that people can tell what's going to be available within which context ahead of time, or is that just something that's sort of announced as we're putting materials together? It's announced semester by semester, but basically, Dr. White, all of our classes are on Zoom. This is going to be a unique one where it's going to be an in-person class. We may open up a lecture or two outside, but fundamentally, this is in-person. All other classes, though, are online and in-person here in Conway. Right. Well, let's just be honest. Having me on Zoom is sort of counterproductive anyways. I mean, you know, I'm not very good looking. I'm probably the oldest guy you've got. Am I the oldest guy you've got teaching? Yeah, but yeah, we won't say who's second, but. Well, I'm not sure if I mentioned at lunch when we were talking that one time, but when James Anderson at Reformed Theological Seminary in Charlotte took some time off, I filled in for him for teaching apologetics, and I went into Dr. Kruger's office, who's the president there in Charlotte, and of course, His stuff on Canon and stuff like that is just just unparalleled. It's great great stuff We're sitting there talking and all of a sudden it struck me. I realized I was the oldest guy in the room and I'm gonna tell you you just wait young man someday You may be my boss now, but someday you're gonna be sitting there and realize you're the oldest guy in the room and it is It's a wake-up call. It really really is because I I I am very thankful. I was raised by my parents to be extremely respectful to my elders and to people in positions of authority and so on and so forth, and that's served me well. But eventually you get to the point where now all those folks are younger than you are, and you're just like, oh, wow. But obviously what I hope to be able to do is to share those decades of experience with the students. 175 moderated public debates so far and that doesn't include last week's discussion with William Lane Craig, but does obviously provide a lot of background material for people to, Draw from my own experiences and the application that we're going to be making and things like that. So I'm excited about that opportunity. Let me just say a quick word there. That's a large part of the draw. There are numerous reasons why we're very excited about today. This is a day that will live in infamy in terms of American history, as you alluded to, but it's a day of celebration here in Conway. So let the listener understand. But fundamentally, One of the things we really appreciate about you here is that you have taken presuppositional apologetics or covenantal apologetics, it's called different things as you well know, and you've really put them to work. That's not all you've done. You've written in numerous areas. But we really want to show folks today that the torch of presuppositional apologetics is well and truly lit. So not everybody in this day and age is even wanting to draw up a plan to build a Baptist Westminster, if that can even be done in some approximate form. But we believe in structuring an entire seminary according to a clearly outlined biblical curriculum. Biblical is the key modifier in all of our disciplines. Many schools have gone away from that. Apologetics disciplines has gone away from that in different respects. We're thankful for different Christian voices out there, but we want to build an apologetics program that A, is second to none, and B, is faithful to the word of God. You've taught that, but you've also put it very much into practice, and that's part of why I'm excited for our students to learn from you. They're not all going to go and be able to do 170 plus public debates, to be honest, but they are going to be able to take an apologetic perspective grounded in the Word of God and recognize apologetics does not depend upon acquiring some second body of knowledge outside of scripture. Right. Apologetics depends upon standing on the Word of God and applying it. Oh, no question about you. You have to have your theology before you create your apologetics. If you do it backwards, the result is very, very ugly, and we've seen that down through church history. Another subject that I obviously am going to be addressing and love so much, I had one of your current students mention they were just doing a current church history or more modern church history class, I think with you. And they said they had been very blessed by that. And I said, well, I'm very glad to hear these doing that because I get a little mushy after the Reformation, but I'm really looking forward to hopefully at some point, I realize it would be an elective type thing. We haven't even talked about this type of thing yet. But one of my favorite classes I've ever taught, I taught it for Golden Gate many, many years ago, was development of patristic theology. And I can, believe it or not, I can actually make that really, really interesting and enjoyable and relevant. And it's exciting stuff. It really, really is. And the first class I ever taught when I graduated from seminary was Church History. I was Scholar in Residence at Grand Canyon University. And it was a required class. And so I had a lot of students that came in there just sort of like, nah, you know, it's a required class. And my goal was for them to walk out in love with church history as I have always been in love with church history because I had such a good church history professor who himself was in love with church history. That's how you pass. It's infectious. I've never understood, and you can't explain it to me, but I've never understood the people who teach in fields they're not passionate about. I don't understand it. That would be the worst thing I could ever do in my life. I'm passionate about New Testament Greek, for crying out loud. I'm passionate about textual criticism. And I bring that stuff into my teaching. And so I'm looking forward to that. It's going to be exciting. And you also have a Cane's Chicken Fingers not far from the campus, which is really great. I'm very excited about that, too. Yeah, yeah. I'll just say a word about that last point you made, because it's really important. We really are going against the grain at this small little school, Reform Baptist School, 1689 School in Conway. We're open to students who can submit to that confession, even if it's not, let's say, their church's home confession. But we also are going against the grain in lecturing. not lecturing without questions that our students ask, but we are not sending our students some bullet pointed list of things that they just regurgitate to us on a message board somewhere. We are standing up in front of students and putting in energy and time And we are trying to give them excellent lecture material. We're doing this in person here in Conway, and we're also doing it on Zoom. So we are flexible when it comes to delivery method, and we just recognize times change. And while we love the classroom residential learning, we're going to adapt to that. We want to serve the broader body of Christ in that way. But I repeat myself, we fundamentally very much believe in the lecture, in a learned, humble man of God standing up and delivering truth that he not only is able to speak out in public, but as you alluded to, truth that has set him alight. Truth that he would be teaching if he had to pay to teach it. That's the kind of teacher we're looking for here, and that's the kind of experience I pray our students can have. Well, that's definitely why I fit in and why I hope to be very much a positive addition to what's going on there and to the students as well. I already know some of the students. Some have known me for years and years and years. I'm thinking of Gene Cliet up in the out in the piney woods and and people like that so It's it's exciting to to be involved with all of that. And so people need to head over to GBT Seminary so not s seminary but GBT seminary org and and get started on filling out what they need to fill out, take a look at what's going to be going on this semester, and get involved because it's going to be exciting. I hope we have many years to do this kind of thing openly and without interference. But there are things going on in the world that are pretty amazing right now. And we need to have a solid foundation to be able to stand when the pressures are coming. And so you obviously have made the decision to stand over against the normal route of advancement to the utter heights of the ivory walls of academy. And obviously some of the books that you've written since then express why that is. And I've obviously been doing that my entire career. I've always been a churchman, first and foremost. And in fact, I'll tell you one thing, I was criticized for some of the comments I made on Molinism because Dr. Stratton basically said, I didn't see you at ETS presenting papers on these subjects, which he was doing. And in my response, I pointed out that I have presented at ETS. It was 1998, which was a long time ago, and I was hurt. I was deeply disturbed in my soul by what I saw there. And this is a long time ago. But there was an attitude amongst the Academy that we are the enlightened leaders and the church is the benighted people that we need to benignly lead into great wisdom. And I was so turned off by that, that I never went back. It's not that i didn't have good experiences there i had a great experience dan wallace and i stood at the net table and argued The carmen christie he has a different view than i do on the basis of the greek text that we had both memorized i mean that was a great experience and there are great people there i'm not saying everybody it was just the general There wasn't a church-centered And GBTS is based in a church, so it would have a hard time ever adopting that kind of attitude. Yeah, and that is, excuse me, that's part of... what we really are trying to establish here. We want strong scholarship. We want men who publish. We want those who are scholarly and sound and thoughtful and bearing the fruits of the spirit. If students and faculty want to go to ETS, that's great. We don't have anything against ETS. But I will say, I, for one, am resisting the spirit I see in some of academic evangelicalism, surely not all, but some, in that there is this sense that degrees and fancy papers and fancy settings confers a sort of extra sheen upon your scholarship. I have gone and I'm sure will go to, God willing, different conferences and scholarly events over the years, but I am not in this game. I'm not in the academy, the seminary, because I want to puff myself up. I'm a sinner in need of God's grace every single day I live, but that's not what I'm here for. I'm here for scripture. I'm not here for uh... networks i'm not here for a little societies where we all agree on every particular and then torch everyone who might disagree with us on any point that's not what we're in it for we're we're in it here uh... for the word of god and uh... i i sadly do sense again among some not all uh... spirit that is kind of adapted to the world with regard to scholarship and i'll just repeat myself it has no real poll for me i'm from a 50-person Baptist church in Downey's, Maine. I'm not from fancy environments. I've worked in great schools. I'm very thankful for a lot of folks over the years, but I don't have to be in a sort of high-flown place in order to feel like the work of the kingdom going on around me matters. I know firsthand that 50 saints gathering in a dusty, cold, church building in coastal Maine matters to God. Their worship matters to God and it doesn't matter because some scholar somewhere approves of it. It matters because God has saved those people and now they worship him out of the overflow of that without fear, without fear of government, without fear of death, without fear of what man may think about us. I pray I can take a little bit of that background that God gave me and apply it here in our work. Christian scholarship must be done first and foremost under the Lordship of Christ to the glory of his name and to the benefit of his body. Outside of that, it does not have any real function as far as I can see in the New Testament. And when you do it that way, it is a... Such as, well you know this, but I'll just tell the one story. I remember meeting a young man, I was debating, sort of a Wesleyan guy on free will. at RTS in Jackson, actually, the only time I've ever been there. And he came up to me and his wife was with him and there was a little child in a stroller. And he informed me that the little child was not going to live, that the little child had a disease that would not allow the child to live. And he said to me, if the Lord had not used you to introduce me to an understanding of His sovereign freedom and goodness to glorify Himself in the way He chooses to glorify Himself, I could not handle what we're facing right now. And when you experience that, That's when you realize this is why you do it. All the rest of the stuff is extraneous. This is why you do it. And you normally don't know when you're doing that part of it. It comes from the consistency. Faithfulness over time and that's what you strive for and at my age. You're just striving my goal right now is finish Well, that's that's what that's that's what you got to do. Once you get into those last decades You got to finish well, and that's what we're shooting to do. Anyways, we were supposed to do like five or seven minutes. Ha ha ha ha We should have known that wasn't going to work very well. But I've already mentioned I want to have both you and Jeff Johnson on the program. There's other things that we need to be talking about. I want to talk with Jeff about Aquinas and natural theology. At some point I really do think it would be really beneficial for everybody if we have a discussion about Trinitarian issues and stuff like that and demonstrate how that can be done in a collegial way and without Without fire brands and torches and you know all the rest that kind of kind of stuff that seems to be the natural element of Online interaction, unfortunately, I think that's one of the problems with it, but we'll get to all that stuff. We've got stuff to do I literally need to put my syllabus together and get it submitted as soon as I can you being in charge of those things will probably be appreciative of hearing that I do have that as a as a priority and so Yeah, so we want to thank you for what you've already been doing down there. I've really enjoyed the time that I've been there. We're going to be back here, Lord willing, pretty soon. Obviously, I have a few things to take care of between now and then, but we're going to be looking forward to that. mounds and mounds of snow i would appreciate that since uh since i have to drive uh to get there but i'm not sure it's a really snowy snowy snowy area to begin with uh yeah it's not now i will say that my own free actions do uh ripple throughout the effect of divine causation so i will i will admit whatever i can that way to clear snow for your coming. I just want you to know that. Okay, yes. The true subjunctive conditionals of your free actions, something like that. I'm still confused. Anyways, hey, thank you very much for taking the time to join us today. We look forward to having further conversations and what the Lord has to do. We just ask people to pray for what you're doing there in Conway and for what Jeff's doing and we're all doing, and may the Lord be glorified in all of it. Thanks for joining us. God bless you, Dr. White. Thank you. All right, thanks. Thanks. God bless. All right. Thank you, Dr. Strand, for doing that. Excellent, wonderful time. And I should have known we were never going to get done in five or seven minutes. I actually had that thought. And now that we've gone half an hour, I realize that that was Silliness, but anyway Thank you for giving us the opportunity of doing that I am obviously excited and extremely pleased we started talking about this couple months ago, and I am I love teaching I love being in the classroom like I said the last time I was in in the class well at least I think the last time I was in a classroom was in Russia and It's a little easier to teach without having to stop and start for translation, even though in Russia I had the best translator in the world, Brother Nick, and so that's the easiest way to do it, is to have someone you can absolutely trust. But I'm looking forward to that opportunity and teaching apologetics. I've done it many, many, many times, and thankfully it's still a passion. It's not just going back over the same old things. And, you know, I'm still very much involved in the field, and so that's a growing body of experience to draw from, even on the practical level, when we're talking about preparation for a debate or whatever else it might be. you know, I've had some interesting experiences just recently that we can draw from. And so go to gbtseminary.org if you want to get more information. And there you go. So I'm very much honored to be professor of apologetics and church history, my two favorite, favorite areas, and look forward to what the Lord has for us in the future. The only thing that concerns me is driving from here to Conway. Done it, obviously, but there's this thing called New Mexico in the way. And if it goes as wildly blue as it already is, I mean, it's already that bad, you know, I may have to find interesting ways of, you know, well, there's some blue states up there too. Well, I know, but Colorado's not exactly the reddest state that it once was either. Though, down in those southern parts, I'm not sure that I could be overly concerned with what they say in Denver anyways, to be honest with you. So, yeah, that's a possibility. Anyways, so, I only have so much time to add to the program today, so I want to talk about Since we are on something other than YouTube, I can talk about this. This is not me. Oh, by the way, I just want, you know, I've got, I've got a, I actually am back to my Rooibos tea. So I have my Rooibos tea here in a real nice mug. And there's another mug I need to use. And I've been looking at, I showed this to you once before, 30 years of debates, 1990 to 2020. It says Dr. White, Alpha Omega on the bottom. But have you ever noticed, look at that coogee that the cat is wearing. If you look carefully, my black coogee, I should bring it in. I think they freeze-framed this when I was wearing it once, and it matches. The yellow, I recognize that yellow. That is identical. So that's really, really well done. So anyway. Rich is actually looking away right now. He does not care. He is trying to pretend like he does not care. But, anyway. That's a cool cat. See, even Chris said that's a cool cat. Yeah, he also said I can drive down through Mexico. Yeah! All right. There wouldn't be much left of me by the time I got to the other side. I can guarantee you that. Your Coogee? There's your Coogee. That would tell you just how little artistic color vision Rich has. He's more into stuff like copper, you know, right? I mean, you... Anyways, about two months, three months ago, I mentioned that I had seen Dr. Anthony Fauci, the man who wants to see your infant child injected with mRNA poisons, on national media, being interviewed by perky Katie Couric, saying that the source of the variants are the unvaccinated. Now, we're now seeing around the world what the result of this is. Hatred toward the unvaccinated. You're selfish. You're the reason that we still can't do what we want to do. I mean, it's just astonishing what is going on around the world. And people like Anthony Fauci are directly and personally accountable and responsible for what they've done in this situation. But the point was, any person with, for me, just an undergraduate level of training in biology, Which is what I have, I finished my major in biology, I was a fellow in anatomy and physiology under Dr. James Witherspoon, I was good as a student in that area, I graduated magna cum laude. Anybody with a general understanding, and I've told the story before, starting in high school, my high school biology teacher would sit at lunch and he would photocopy college-level papers on natural selection and evolutionary biology, and we would argue creationism and evolution sitting eating those horrific burritos. I don't even know what was in those things, but I can still taste them today. It's sort of sad. Anyway, so I've been at this for a long, long time. Anybody with even that level of knowledge would know that what Dr. Fauci was saying was wrong. Now, I mentioned when I talked about this first time, there is such thing as selection pressure. A creation model predicts this would be the way it is just as well as an evolutionary model is not better. In fact, I would say much better. But selection pressure obviously means that certain environmental factors can influence the ability of any living thing from a virus to an elephant. to pass its genetics on to the next generation. That's the most important thing, is getting that genetic code on to the next generation. And there's different ways of doing that, and viruses have really destructive ways of doing that. But the point is that selection pressure is just simply a fancy way of saying that what you might, which The old term was survival of the fittest. But in this case, what you're talking about is that which is the best adapted to an environment is that which is going to predominate in the next generation. And the idea is that once you get down to the level of a virus, What you're aiming at with these mRNA vaccines is a narrow aspect. Remember I showed you last week, I showed you the spike protein last week, and it just looks like a glob of stuff to most people. But those represent sugars and proteins, and they're in a particular construction that allows them to attach to a cell wall and to insert the genetic material of the virus into the cell for replication. And so, what we've done with this mRNA material is to focus on that spike protein. Now, when our natural immune systems develop immunity to something, they're not just looking at one segment of the spike protein. They're looking at the spike protein and the body of the virus so that when there is a mutation in the spike protein, one sugar is replaced with another sugar, one protein with another protein. A natural immunity which has a wider, it's aimed at a wider portion of the target is not thrown off by that. And that's why natural immunity is 13 to 27 times better than any type of vaccinated immunity, aside from issues of T cells and things like that, just simply in the ability to not be thrown off by what is generally considered micromutation. But the vaccines are aimed at such a narrow thing that if you vary that, then the antibody is thrown off. That's not there anymore because the way you coded it. And that's why everybody knows there's going to be a variant, maybe it's Omicron, that simply is not impacted by the vaccines. because it was so narrowly focused that you have, from what I've heard right now, we're at 2 billion doses worldwide. Because remember, we're not using this garbage in many other places. They're using more old-style vaccination routines, which to me, I'm still going, why can't we get old-style stuff? And it's either an overarching, really, really, really bad conspiracy, or it's just plain money, or it could be both. But you know that the top people at Pfizer and the top people at the CDC and the top people at all the big governmental medical organizations, they're all in bed together. They're probably all going to be found out at Epstein's Island eventually, but they're all in bed together. And so the money that is flying back and forth is astonishing. And the greatest corruption of our day is the corruption of the medical field by money and by political power. It's horrific what's being done today. Report today, a man killed his wife and three daughters and himself because it was found out that he had faked his wife's vaccine passport at work and he was afraid they were going to take his children away, which they probably would have in Germany. He was driven to despair. And those people in charge of that kind of stuff are so evil, they'll probably count those as all COVID deaths too, just simply to push things forward. People who will do stuff like this, people who are getting to the point where they're saying, you can't even go to the grocery store anymore. We will starve you to death if you do not take our noxious poison. While athletes are tripping over and falling dead all over the place, These people will stop at nothing. They are the opposite of being concerned about health. Health for them is a weapon. And you talk about it with weak-minded people who are frightened to get them to do what you want them to do. That's what's going on here. So the point, back to the point, is that here is a, just before the program started, we have a paper National Journal of Physical Chemistry, December 7th, just came out. Mechanisms, so it's Wang, Chen, and Wei Wei. Mechanisms of SARS-CoV-2 evolution revealing vaccine-resistant mutations in Europe and America. Abstract. The importance of understanding SARS-CoV-2 evolution cannot be overlooked. Recent studies confirm that natural selection is the dominating mechanism of SARS-CoV-2 evolution, which favors mutations that strengthen viral infectivity. Here, we demonstrate that vaccine breakthrough or antibody-resistant mutations provide a new mechanism of viral evolution. Specifically, vaccine-resistant mutation, and I talk about it, I'm not going to get into all the numbers, in the spike protein, which occurred in these certain mutations, has reduced infectivity compared to that of the original SARS-CoV-2, but can disrupt existing antibodies that neutralize the virus. So, in other words, the original spike protein was better at infectivity But by changing it because of the vaccines, it's not as good as that, but it now avoids the antibodies. It's not as good at infectivity, but it avoids the antibodies. By tracking the evolutionary trajectories of vaccine-resistant mutations, we reveal that the occurrence and frequency of vaccine-resistant mutations correlate strongly with the vaccination rates in Europe and America. We anticipate that as a complementary transmission pathway, vaccine breakthrough or antibody-resistant mutations like those in Omicron will become a dominating mechanism of SARS-CoV-2 evolution when most of the world's population is either vaccinated or infected. Our study sheds lights on SARS-CoV-2 evolution and transmission enables the design of the next generation mutation-proof vaccines and antibody drugs. This is why we never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever dreamed before 2019, before 2020, of dealing with a respiratory virus with vaccines. And yet how many people today, like absolute mind-numb zombies, just repeat back to you, Well, the vaccines are our best hope. No, they're not, and they never have been. But they are the best hope for hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars worth of profit. for the people at Pfizer and Moderna and the people who then pretend to approve these things and force them into your children without safety tests that will tell you anything about what impact that will have upon their hearts or the reproductive systems or their future cancer rates or anything. And they're completely protected from ever having to worry about that money being taken back from them because you can't sue them. Now, I would just point out that may be true in this life. It is not true in the next. I wouldn't put it past certain people in the Congress to try to pass something that says that God can't do something about it in the next life, but justice will be done. Justice will be done. So here's, there's, And I had not read anyone saying what I was saying. I simply heard Fauci saying that and I'm sitting there going, that's the opposite of how this works. And here's a paper saying, yep, there's direct correlation between those vaccine rates and this is what's happening. This is what's happening. So you can have something like that where you have to stop every sentence and explain what terms mean, or you can get that nice little undertaker. Did you see the videos? You probably haven't seen the videos. I retweeted one of them, but there's an undertaker somewhere in England who put out some videos basically saying, you know, I've been doing this a long time, and I see how people die, and people are dying differently today than they were two years ago. And here's what they're dying of now that I almost never saw them dying of before. And he is absolutely convinced that the vaccines are destroying people's general immunity systems, their immune systems, and people are getting sick from stuff that they've just never gotten sick of before. Now, I think part of it also, you lock people in their houses, their immune systems are going to be impacted by that. You force them to breathe their own air. and they're gonna be impacted by that and But he was just simply saying I I see people that they can't even fight off a cold anymore and We Brits used to be able to just bounce through that like that was nothing because we were exposed to it all the time He's right the lockdowns all that kind of stuff So you've got the two you got the two sides you've got the two aspects of it and I So you go from two weeks to flatten the curve to now in Italy, the report today, the Italian government giving permission to grocery stores to refuse admission to unvaccinated people. And yet, at the same time, you go to the governmentally sponsored and providing data websites And what do you see? You see that the whole claim a few months ago, this is a pandemic of the unvaccinated. It's the pandemic of the vaccinated. All the wave in Germany and Austria and Europe, they're vaccinated. They're fully vaccinated. Oh, so we need to have boosters now. You just continue to do more and more and more of what doesn't work. That's the definition of insanity or totalitarianism, one of the two. And that's what we're facing. New York. I've always known that Bill de Blasio wished he was the totalitarian dictator of a European state, and he thinks he is. And so now, same thing happening in New York. You basically need to leave New York City anyways. Get out of the city. Get out of there because you will be forced vaccinated if you're going to have any life in the city of New York and that is their absolute intention and they don't care that their hospitalization rates and death rates are far above Florida. They don't care. They know that their friends in the media are not going to cover these things. They're not going to talk about these things. They're just simply going to give them cover all the way through, and that's how it's going to work. That's how they're doing it. So there you go. By the way, I only have a few minutes left. I haven't looked here. I need to look again. Um, Dr. Stratton, uh, let me put the search, get the search thing in here. Uh, T S there it is. Let me see if, uh, this is going on right now. Um, Dr. Stratton said, yep. And they're actually, they, Okay, so there I'm not sure if that says two hours and two minutes and 48 seconds Wow a two-hour response from Tim and Tyson To says don't miss round two with dr. James white So seems always happen right around the same time. We're doing the dividing line So I don't get to I have to listen to it later on Which I will two hours seems like a really long time. I tried to keep my response fairly short, but Mine was like half an hour but again two guys who work for William Lane Craig They were open about that, so I'm not complaining, even though everything I do is allegedly a complaint. Nothing they do is ever a complaint, but what I do is a complaint. But we will see here. They're playing some stuff here. I'm sort of working through it here. It's sort of weird because they end up on it like twice. I don't see them going into too much of the language here. But hey, toward the end, they do get to the stuff in Colossians. So I'm looking forward to seeing what they have there. I'll try to try to cue that up for a ride tomorrow. And that's when I have the opportunity of listening to those things. Yes, sir. Couple of programming notes here real quick. We're still trying to tweak the Odyssey thing. Some folks may notice that some of the YouTube videos over the last year and a half have disappeared from YouTube. And that's not YouTube doing that. That is us doing that. We're looking at this going, hey. And you were the one that thought of this. It's a great idea. That is OK. You know what? If they're going to object, we'll take down the objectionable stuff, and we'll have it over on Odyssey. So this morning we did some work on that and moved some stuff over to Odyssey, moved the links over there, and so those same programs can now be viewed over on Odyssey. I have noticed some folks have said, hey, you know, the bells, the whistles, the quality isn't what YouTube is. Look, that's to be understood. Odyssey is a much, much, much, much, much, much smaller platform than YouTube is, but they are dedicated to free speech. And that is where we think we've got a home. Some people have asked about Rumble. We tried Rumble. It was a technical failure because One of the big things is that we go back into YouTube and bring all of what YouTube has over into the new platform, and Rumble basically allowed us to have February of this year, and that was it. After that, it just stopped. Odyssey brought everything in, so that's another reason why we want to do Odyssey, and so that's that. Now on the donations side, we're coming up on your end, and so folks, if you have been donating with a check, we really appreciate that. But if you're not getting, I say this every year, if you're not getting emailed receipts through Intuit, we use QuickBooks, okay, To enter all that stuff in if you're not getting email receipts from me. I need your email address I don't have it if that's the case so that you can keep track of and get the receipts for your donations So really appreciate that if you would send your and not don't don't send me you know your entire book that you just wrote for various and sundry reasons Just send me your email address so that I can tell and your name and address and all that stuff your contact information so that I can put it into QuickBooks and do that so send that to our peers PIE RCE at a omen org So that's that's all I got. All right. All right. Yeah, it is that time of year and I'm not saying that there's something wrong with this, but you haven't been being bombarded with letters and appeals from us because we've just never, that's just never been our thing. The Lord has provided, but we just, we do need to let people know that's how the Lord provides is people support us and they appreciate what we do and the perspectives that we take and the stands that we take and stuff like that. And they're blessed by the content. And so there you go. And that's how I will travel in the future, Lord willing, as well. The travel fund and ministry resource list and all of that is how we do what we do. And so we very much appreciate everyone who stood with us. We recognize that there are difficult times ahead. There are a lot of people who have supported us in the past. They're unwilling to submit to unrighteous demands right now, and that means they can't continue to support us. And so we just let everybody know that that need is there, but we're just not the type of folks that hammer on that all the time. Part of that, I've told the story in the past, is because I I've seen that done, I've heard that done, and it's never turned out well in the long run for the people that were doing it. And I'm not talking about just finding $600,000 in the bathroom wall. I really hope we find out. Well, you're looking at me strangely. Really? What rock have you been living under? Rich doesn't know what we're talking about. You may be a busy man, but this was all over everywhere. A plumber was fixing a toilet at Joel Osteen's church. He broke through the wall and found cash and envelopes of $600,000 in the wall. And I think it was 2013 or 2014, there had been a robbery. And that was one Sunday's worth. And it was found in the wall in the bathroom. Yeah, one Sunday's worth. One Sunday's worth. $600,000. There is going to be a day of judgment. There really, really, really is. Anyways, alright, once again thanks to Owen Strand for joining us today and again, gbtseminary.org if you want to know about the apologetics class and upcoming church history classes and all the rest of that stuff now that these crazy people have made me a full professor of church history and apologetics for them and I will Look forward very, very much to pursuing that opportunity and that teaching. Been doing it for years and years and years and love to do it. So looking forward to that. Thanks for watching the program today. Lord willing, we'll see you next time. God bless.