Welcome to the program. The title of the program is Catholic Coercion Through Civil Law. The Catholics not only attempt but actually do bring about control in many nations of the world through civil law. I remember emphatically when I was in Slovakia in the year 2000. I was asked to speak at different meetings in different places in Slovakia and I met with people and talked with the Slovaks. It was good that many of them were quite fluent in English. And it was the year while I was actually there that the Vatican had signed a concordat, as a legal concordat, with the state of Slovakia. The Vatican, the Holy See as they call the Vatican as it deals with politics and deals with civil law, The Vatican is not just a religion, it is also a civil state and as a civil state they can work together with other states, prime ministers and presidents and the Vatican had signed a concordat with the Slovak nation. And then the people whom I talked to, most of whom were Bible believers, they were shocked. And they said to me, this means that we will not have control over our property like we had before and that we could be wanting to build a new church and then The state will not allow us, and we know for certain it means that some of our Christian radio programs and where we broadcast on different stations, they will not be allowed to go out anymore by civil law. And if we persist, and if the civil authorities want to close down a church, it is the police that will turn up, not the archbishop. It's the police. I was quite aware at that stage of what Concordats were. I knew how the damage it had done in Venezuela. and many other nations of the world, where in Venezuela, because of Concordat, there's only 1% of the nation who are biblically Christians. They've had a Concordat there for many, many years. I knew about this, but now to be actually in a nation at the time when the Concordat was signed, it brought home the reality, claws and the teeth, as it were, of Rome as a civil power and exercising control or coercion over nations in civil law. And so people are not aware of this and it's of uttermost importance that we speak on it and I'm just trusting that it will be used and that you will, as you view this program, that you will inform others and awake people to the reality of what the Roman Catholic Church is and how they control nations in civil law. and I am really privileged to have with me Bill Mankaro because he is very well versed in these things and he actually had worked in the United States with the Congress in drafting legislation years ago when he was much younger. He had actually worked in Congress and in giving advice regarding legislation. And he has some interesting views having visited the Vatican. He has some photographs that he took there of where they depicted their control in the past. So that'll be explained later on. So it's a real privilege to have Bill Mankaro here. So I would ask if you begin by explaining, Bill, some of the principle or the principles that the Vatican has on how it works in this way. Thank you for having me Richard. I'm honored to be here and it is a subject that is very interesting to me and some I've followed for a number of years. Historically if we look at it and I'm glad you mentioned the Concordats and I think we need to go into that in a little more detail in a moment and some history of it. The principle, as you know, on which the Church of Rome has proceeded historically is that, in virtue of its spiritual character, it claims to have control over earthly kings and princes. It openly claims, it has claimed historically, to be vested with the power of controlling and disposing of rulers of countries. Coercion through civil law among European nations is what the Catholic Church thrived on for many, many years through the Middle Ages. This coercion, in fact, was the primary underpinning, I guess you'd say, of its power, worldly power, during the 600 years of the Inquisition and in the growth of her religious power system generally throughout the centuries. Her methods have changed. let's make no mistake, but let's not confuse the change of methods with the change of goal. Yes, yes, yes. The goal is the same. And we're going to see, Lord willing, in this video that, as you said, these concordats are the underpinnings, the way that the Catholic Church has grown in strength in numbers is in proportion to her legal agreements with other nations. And Richard, you're certainly well-versed in this. Can you give us some historical background on that? Yes, I will explain some things. It was on February the 10th in 1798, exactly, that General Louise Alexandre Berthier, he was the chief of staff of Napoleon, the commander of Napoleon, and he entered Rome and he proclaimed that the whole area around there was to become a Roman Republic, and he commanded that Pope Pius VI, who had temporal power, you know the popes in those days had nations, they had states, and they had temporal power. He removed him from his papal throne in that way, he removed the civil control that the Vatican had. They're physically over those states in Italy. And he was taken in that way from his throne. He still remained a so-called spiritual leader, but he was removed. But he he worked out together with cardinals and all and then it was after that that they began to reorganize. They were going to reorganize so that they could claim back their civil power and their authority to work civilly and it was going to be differently and it was John Henry Newman, who was a quite infamous person, who had so-called left the Anglican Church and became a Catholic and even a Cardinal. He got the robes of scarlet and the hat and all that goes with it. and he became a Cardinal, John Henry Newman. He began working in England with English authorities and he began in 1844, he began the Oxford Movement and it was to bring England back under the control of the Vatican. not just religiously, but even civilly. They changed what had been the biblical gospel to a sacramental system which the Roman Church controls and they got in league, of course, with members of Parliament and they began to work out things spiritually as the basis and then it was going to take some years before the civil side was working but John Henry Newman in that sense was quite talented in the evil that he did and how he brought in Romanism, brought Romanism back to predominance, and then that Romanism could then enter more into the civil side of things. Then a Pope that is quite well known in history, Pius IX, Pio Nono, they used to call him in the Latin form of the name or the Italian form. Pius IX, he was the longest reigning Pope there's ever been. He lived longer as a Pope than any other Pope has done. In 1870, he set out to get the Church to have a leader that could not be questioned, so that if the Pope makes decisions regarding doctrine or dogma, he cannot be questioned. And that if they make decisions regarding their civil authority, they cannot be questioned. And there was huge debate because a lot of the cardinals and the bishops and archbishops, you know, the top brass of of Rome, they did not agree to the dogma that was to be pronounced. The dogma was on the fact that the Pope is infallible, that he cannot err. Now you would know, or anybody knows, that nobody's infallible. It's God alone who cannot lie, who cannot Let God be true and every man a liar, as scripture says. It's a ludicrous thing that a man is infallible. They say in matters of faith and morals, they try to define it. It's not that he's infallible if he tells you what you're to have for breakfast tomorrow. he's infallible in things of faith and morals, how faith affects other aspects of life and this became a dogma in 1817 and it really meant now that the Pope was far more capable of maneuvering the Catholic Church and that he was the one who had the chief say before the bishops and archbishops had much more of a say before things could be implemented in Catholic life. We have one man as they say, one top dog. One man. And it was to be translated in really definitive ways. It meant that after his death and later on it was under another Pope that we had in 1917 the first code of canon law. There's a large volume here in my library, the Code of Canon Law. These are the laws of the Catholic Church to do with not only doctrine, but to do with their control in other ways, including civil law. That you cannot question the authority and that the that the Catholic Church is not subservient to anybody on earth, but they must be subservient to the Catholic Church. So it was the Code of Canon Law is a horrendous thing when it comes to what we're talking about civil law and how this is in their law that how they are to be respected and obeyed and it was then that the things really began to have teeth in them so that they could implement more easily what they wanted to do. As you say, there was a lot of controversy over this doctrine of papal infallibility. There's a very interesting book, which I know, I believe I've seen in your library, on how the Pope became infallible. Yes, yes, yes. I have written on that and made a video on that in the past. Yes, yes, yes. It's remarkable to see. And what the Catholic Church has done, they've really put themselves in a box by creating this papal infallibility because it means never Can anything that has been done by previous popes be ever changed? Yes, yes, yes. Even though they have denied things that other popes have done and they have condemned some popes in the past as heretics. Anyway... You mentioned earlier when I was in the Vatican a few years ago and I went into the little bookstore, actually a fairly large bookstore, went into a back, kind of a back room, still a public room, and I happened to look up and these very ancient frescoes are up there, and this room was used for something other than a bookstore centuries ago, but they've made it, they've kind of made it a back room now. I'm looking at these frescoes and I realize that they certainly appear to be Each one of them has a different country, like Bohemia is named, Slovakia, a number of other countries named. It appears to be the king of that nation on his knees before the Pope presenting his crown. And other types of pictures like that. And I was just amazed. In fact, I took videos of it because I really couldn't believe it. that they had that there and that they haven't covered them up. Because I'm sure they don't want people to see that. But frankly, they clearly show in stark detail the Vatican's contempt for every civil government. Whether it's a king or a president or a parliament or congress, they all must be under the authority of the Pope. And I'm just not saying it. I mean, there's public documents. Here, I brought Pope Boniface VIII in the papal bull Unum Sanctum. Remember, this papal pronouncement can never be changed. He's infallible. It's ex cathedra. Boniface wrote, quote, certainly the one who denies that the temporal sword, and of course that means the authority of the civil government, the person who denies that it is in the power of Peter, they have not listened well to the word of the Lord. Both, therefore, he's talking about the political rule and the spiritual rule, are in the power of the Church. That is to say, the spiritual and the material sword but the former is to be administered for the Church, but the latter by the Church. The former is in the hands of the priest, the latter by the hands of kings and soldiers, but at the will and sufferance of the priest." And he continues, however, one sword ought to be subordinated to the other and temporal authority, political power, subjected to spiritual power, which of course is the Catholic Church. And that's his pronouncement by the pope. So, in plain language, the ruler of any country must kneel before the Pope and obey his commands. Now, if that wasn't enough, there's another one. Yes, yes. Which you certainly know of, but I want our audience to know about this. Infallible Papal Command. from the Syllabus of Errors Condemned by Pius, that's Pope Pius IX, on December 8, 1864. It says the civil government of any nation has no authority over the Catholic Church. Out and out, plain statement. Specifically, the way it does it, it puts up a proposition and says this proposition is false. So the way it's done, it says, quote, it condemns the idea that, quote, the civil power can define what are the rights and limits within which the church may exercise authority. That's wrong. That's flat out wrong. So that Vatican document also claims in Statement 42, what I just read was Statement 19, by the way, from the syllabus. In Statement 42, it says the Catholic Church's laws are above the civil government laws. Just out and out, there it is. So you can look that up on papalencyclicals.net on the internet. And if you doubt that this is still the binding authority of the Church today, the binding teaching of the Church, oh, that was 1864, you know, the Church doesn't believe that anymore. The Catholic Encyclopedia today states, quote, the syllabus, which is what I just quoted from, is a decision given by the Pope, speaking as universal teacher and judge to Catholics the world over, All Catholics, therefore, are bound to accept the syllabus. Exteriorly, they may neither in word nor in writing oppose its contents. they must also assent to it interiorly." End quote from the Catholic Encyclopedia. So it certainly is still binding. Yes. Well, I spoke about the 1798, how the Catholic Church lost its civil power when Pius VI was removed as a controller of civil states. But how did it gain it back? It's quite interesting, it was under the Catholic controller of the nation of Italy, Mussolini, in 1929 that the Vatican entered into negotiation with him. that while Italy had become a republic, that into this nation that land and the status of being a state would be given to the Catholic Church. Now it's about 108 acres, the size of an 18-home golf course. But they were given territory which they called a state, a Vatican state. And this was recognized in civil law. And then as a civil state, they were to claim that they were the oldest state in Europe and in the civilized world, and that then they would have precedence over other states. So this was in 1729, and it was the first of these legal agreements, which later on were to be called Concordats. It was the first at that time, at that level. There were some others before as regards other nations, particularly the Latino nations. There were some other Concordats with them, but this was the first of the nations that were European and quite large like Italy. It was the first of these and the most infamous was the Concordat of Pius XII with Adolf Hitler. People wonder why it was that the Catholic Church wouldn't condemn Hitler and why the Catholics particularly were predominant, the generals and a lot of the officers in the army, Hitler's army. why it was that the Pope would not condemn. The Pope had made an agreement to endorse Catholicism and they held to their agreement and it had huge repercussions right across Europe. That was the agreement that Pius XII had with Adolf Hitler. So it continues to be that Mother Church continues to impose its law on other nations. You have quoted to us some of what you saw when you were in the Vatican. and read from Unum Sanctum and read from the Pope's Boniface VIII and all of that is really really important and we have then the kings and presidents being subject to to the Catholic Church. Now, the Catholic decrees are quite unbelievable. It's that they can impose their teaching on other nations and it's done by a concordat. You can put it in Google search engines and it'll come up and you'll find you will find a concordat. Usually the search engines take you to the Zenith, it's the Catholic webpage for transmitting all important Catholic concepts and ideas and plans to other parts of the world and how they've been implemented. So you can find out just what a Concordat is. It is a civil agreement of the Vatican as a civil state, and they call it the Holy See when they are a civil state, with another government. And in that government, the Catholic Church insists on certain things. They don't always get the whole list of things, but they usually get most of them. They try to insist that in civil law, it's for the Catholic Church to decide on what is the religion and how to be exercised in a nation. Now, they haven't succeeded in that because nations want to have religious freedom like United States. It's very founding principles that you cannot impose religion. So they're not too successful in getting that except with some of the South American nations where they have concordats. And then that they have the right of education. And so we have Catholic schools all across the world, and they're quite well known. Academically, they're usually quite good, but they're really controlled. They get in children from a young age, and they shape the minds. I know I was sent to a Catholic Jesuit school from when I was a young boy until I was 18 years old. All my, what we call primary and secondary education in the States, like up to high school, was all. with the Jesuits and they shaped my mind and one of the things that shaped my mind was the Catholic control in civil law and that was as a young boy in a Jesuit college so they usually insist on education that they can have their schools, and they try to see that other churches are not allowed to have their worship. That's what the people in Slovakia were afraid of when that concordat came in. And then they insist that they have the right to appoint bishops in every country directly, before bishops used to be appointed as people would elect them, you know, the different priests and different people in the country, that they would be able to directly appoint bishops in different countries of the world, and then the Catholic laws on marriage. And the Catholic has real control over marriage, which is quite quite horrendous. They take control of the basic unit of society which is husband and wife and their laws on marriage and how a marriage can be annulled. They say they don't believe in divorce but their annulment is like you can do it legally under the Catholic Church. years and still have an annulment. Yes, and it's horrendous. I remember talking to a couple in England one time and they had, it means that the marriage had been declared null by the Catholic Church. It meant that our children are illegitimate, that this marriage never was. Anyway, they're ludicrous, but nonetheless they enforced them. And so this is the and then that they have a right then that their laws will be civilly enforced. So like the people in Slovakia that I told you about, if you disobey and you're not supposed to have a radio station unless the Catholic Church allows it, it's the police that turn up and close down your radio station. And it is quite frightening and quite real and this is why people must know about these things. It was in 1980 that there was an agreement signed with many more of the European and Latino nations and the South American nations and the Vatican has given details of the countries who have signed on for these agreements. As I say, you'll get it on Zenith and other webpages. They actually said, and you'll find it there on the internet, that the desire for countries around the world to have relationships with the Vatican has increased, especially since the fall of the Berlin Wall and those countries in Eastern Europe. Those nations, the Vatican made, you know, contacted civilly with the leaders of these nations and quite readily they signed on to concordat. So it was, it is quite It is fact and it's frightening when we read of these concordats. From 1950 to 1999, there were 128 concordats signed between Rome and different nations. And then after that, for nine years, there were 43 concordats. and it continues that more and more nations Pope Benedict XVI was posting about how many nations they had and the many that came in at his time and it's 176 at the moment and that's it is frightening to see how the Catholic Church has control in these nations and that they can dictate in civil law what should be and what should not be. And it's fact and we just have to realize what the facts are. They participate, the Vatican is deeply involved as you well know in all sorts of UN organizations, NGOs, non-governmental organizations, the Council of Europe, the European Communities, the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe, the Vatican is deeply involved in that, the Organization of American States, the Organization for African Unity, Even the International Council on Grain has a Vatican representative. So the idea, well this is the Catholic Church, it's a religion, it's a very political organization as well. And I think an important point is, Vatican, as you said, has ambassadors, representatives, in fact, maintaining diplomatic relations with 172 countries right now in the world? That number has actually gone up to 179, as far as I know, and it's currently with up to 196 nations in the world. So that's about 90%. The Vatican has diplomatic relations with about 90% of the countries in the world. No other church has diplomatic relations with countries. Yes, and the church is supposed to be a spiritual entity. Presbyterian Church or the Methodist Church or the Baptist Church as ambassadors to countries. I don't believe so. No, they don't. I don't think so. I mean, it would be ludicrous if you suggested that. Really, wouldn't it? But the Catholic Church does. So, according to the Catholic Almanac, Papal representatives, quote, receive from the Roman pontiff the charge of representing him in a fixed way in the various nations or regions of the world. So they receive the charge of representing the Pope. That's what it says. And the Catholic Encyclopedia says, quote, in Catholic countries, the Pope's ambassadors have precedence over other members of the diplomatic body. Yes, yes, yes. So they're not only ambassadors, they're super ambassadors because they're Catholic and Catholic. It was an amazing one. When I was a Catholic priest in Trinidad and I was, after I nearly died a serious accident, I began studying the Bible and then I saw how it's no church that saves, there's no church that, it's It's purely the Gospel message that we're all sinners and before Holy God we have to recognize that and trust in Christ alone who died in the place of sinners who believe on Him. And when I saw that and I began to stand up for it, I was having real trouble with the Archbishop. But at the end, the one who said that I really had to leave was the Vatican legate. You know, the ambassador from the Pope. He was the one that was demanding that. I left voluntarily, but I probably would not be voluntarily had had the legacy, had a say. And so, Lord Acton, you know, the quite well-known, he remained Catholic, but he was one of the ones who criticized the Catholic Church. And on the civil side, besides, on the doctrinal side, he said it's the fiend skulking behind the crucifix. That's how, he's a great way with words. And that was his definition of what Catholicism is. The fiend skulking behind the crucifix, appearing to be religious and then a fiend. She's shown her evil ways, particularly in civil law. Can you explain then just the claim for international recognition and how this has gone, Bill? Well certainly, very briefly, the Catholic Church officially rejects the separation of church and state. One example is a document called the Allocution Asservissimum. Number 55, the Vatican condemns, again, it's stated in a way and then it says this is wrong. So that's how they do this. They put up this statement, number 55, the Church ought to be separated from the State and the State from the Church. And they say, no, that's wrong. We condemn that statement. In fact, the Catholic Church officially claims the power of using force to enact its will. Many people don't know this. in the Pope's Apostolic Letter of August 22nd, 1851, sentence 24. Remember, this is the infallible Pope speaking, even though it wasn't claimed until later, it's retroactive. The Pope condemns this statement. He says this statement is false. Quote, The Church has not the power of using force, nor has she any temporal power, direct or indirect. End quote. And they say, that's wrong. We reject that. So the papacy asserts that the Catholic Church has temporal, that is political, earthly power, which of course it has. Moreover, it asserts that it has the right to use force to enact its agenda. officially says it's used for. Popola VI, in his 1967 encyclical, Opulorum Progressio, is an entire section called Toward an Effective World Authority. Let me just read to you from paragraph 78. There's much more that we could talk about. We have limited time. This international collaboration on a worldwide scale requires institutions that will prepare, coordinate, and direct it until finally there is established an order of justice which is universally recognized. Continuing with the quote, who does not see the necessity of thus establishing progressively a world authority capable of acting effectively in the juridical and political sectors? And you can see that on papalencyclicals.net. Richard? The Pope says he wants a world authority, probably also known as a New World Order. He didn't specifically say that, but code words. What else should we know about what the Pope says he wants regarding this world authority? Yes, that's quite interesting that you ask that question, because on December 3, 2012, the Pope at the time, Benedict XVI, published from the Pontifical Council of Justice and Peace, he pronounced the fact that that, he said, quotation, The Blessed Pious John XXIII has motivated the commitment of building a global community with a corresponding authority for the common good of humanity. There's to be a global community and the authority and then it says that Benedict called it a return to the international monetary and financial centers. So it's all to do also with money and financial matters and they want to have control on that too. The present Pope Francis has made a decree on that. We've made a video on it, where we call the Vatican teaching worse than Marx, because it really decrees that all things really are in public domain, that everything belongs to everybody. and it's socialism at the extreme, and it's official Catholic dogma. So it's a world authority, of course, where they are, again, to be the top dog, and they are the decree, and the popes are to command presidents and kings and parliaments for what to do, and it's It's very, very real and you can make searches and see that what we are saying is fact. And I would encourage anybody, and it's interesting to get emails from people who have, when we've made videos like this, who have researched and saw that what we are saying is quite real. Well, that's exactly the point. This is not just things that we've made up or some crazy book, you know, a conspiracy theory book that has no foundation. We're just simply quoting what the Vatican has said. Yes, yes, yes. That's the bottom line. In the encyclical you mentioned, Pope Benedict wrote that a one-world economic system would quote open up the unprecedented possibility of large-scale redistribution of wealth on a worldwide scale." Well, that's socialism, pure and simple, socialism. In fact, Pope Benedict called for the redistribution of wealth no less than eight times in that one encyclical. And we know Francis is as much or more so of a socialist than Benedict. So redistribution is wealth, is, of course, socialism. This political coercion through civil law by the Catholic Church and economic and social coercion by the Catholic Church in daily life is all part of the official Roman Catholic objective. We've quoted so many documents. Let me just indulge you with one more. Pope Benedict XVI in his June 29, 2009 encyclical Caritas in Veritate, Section 7, quote, Man's earthly activity, when inspired and sustained by charity, contributes to the building of the universal city of God, which is the goal of the history of the human family. Doesn't that sound nice? Oh, love and goal and cooperation. Continuing with the quote, In an increasingly globalized society, the common good and the effort to obtain it cannot fail to assume the dimensions of the whole human family, that is to say the community of peoples and nations, in such a way as to shape the earthly city in unity and peace, rendering it to some degree an anticipation and prefiguration of the undivided city of God." You see how they couch all these terms, but you look at them carefully. He's calling for one world government, a globalized society, one socialist economic system. And who would make the decisions in this? Who do you think wants to sit at the head of the table? The Vatican, of course. Yes, they're producing a snare to nations of the world. You just have to look at the South American nations that have been under that thumb for years and see how economically bankrupt they are. politically and morally and socially. It's quite frightening to see the facts. The Lord Jesus Christ said, my kingdom is not of this world. He said emphatically that it's not a kingdom in worldly terms. And the Popes said really that they are the kingdom of this world, that they are to have civil power and that they are to be obeyed. So it's diametrically opposed to what Christ Jesus taught and what should be the norm of Bible believers. Why it is that we noted that no Baptist church or Presbyterian church or any other church has civil power or attempts to have. But the Vatican does. It's the kingdom of this world and it is what they go back to and they continue to plan and it's consistent with the Charism of the Catholic Church, the new official book that they have In paragraph 567 it says, the Roman Church is the seed and beginning of this kingdom. It's the kingdom whereby they control and coerce nations. It's the seed and the keys are entrusted to Peter. And when they say to Peter, they say that Peter is claimed to be first Pope, which he wasn't historically. He didn't even go to Rome. But anyway, so it's a it's amazing the kingdom they talk about as the kingdom that's in paragraph 567 if you have a catechism of the Catholic Church look it up the keys are entrusted to Peter that is the authority and they claim to have authority then not just spiritual but worldly kingdom and be able to to control nations of the world. Can you give us an overview of this thing and just how we are to face these things, Bill? Well, two things. First, from a political, I guess, standpoint, contrasting the Christian view with the Catholic papal view. There are two systems that stand in direct antagonism toward one another. The Christian separates church and state. Catholicism brings church and wants church and state together with the church ruling over the state. So that's one major difference. Christian wants religious freedom. The papal system requires every person give up their conscience and follow the dictates of the pope. example of how the systems differ. The Christian system encourages the faculties of the mind, independent thinking under the Lord Jesus Christ, the influence of the Holy Spirit, personal independence. The papal system, just look around the world, look at the countries that are Catholic versus countries that are Christian, and see the difference in the prosperity, the economic systems, the personal freedoms, The papal system crushes out the spirit by insisting on passive obedience and submission to its dictates. The papal system basically turns economies into a form of feudalism, which is an authoritarian type of economic system. But we don't want to end on that. And Richard, I hope you'll share with me in saying that personal faith and salvation are from the Lord. Scripture says, him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a prince and a savior, for to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins. Of course, Jesus Christ as well. Scripture says, believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved. The Lord himself declares, he that believes and is baptized shall be saved, but then he also says, he that believes not shall be damned. very sobering thought. Yes, yes, yes, yes. It is Christ Jesus who also said, he said, come unto me all you who are burdened and heavy laden and I will give you rest. And that is important, first of all, in a spiritual way. I remember the more I read scripture, the more I saw I was a sinner way back in the 80s. I was continually going to confession and doing all the sacraments and I'm still not one bit better. The people that I minister to, they're not one bit better. I remember going to one man one night and his wife had called me. He was dying and I heard his confession and he couldn't say it too loud but he could tell me his sins and I gave him absolution, I gave him communion and then I anointed him with holy oil, as they said, on the forehead, on the hands, which they were supposed to do. They were supposed to assure that you're going to go you're going to go to purgatory or heaven directly, one or the other. And man, that man died cursing God. I couldn't. I was frightened. I never saw it before or since, but I was frightened. Here, he's got all the sacraments, and he's cursing God for his pain. He was dying of cancer. And I was frightened, you know, because Christ Jesus says, come to all who labor and heavy laden. It's first of all laden with sin. And we come to him directly. Say, Lord, I am a sinner. I need your grace. I am without any righteousness of my own. If we confess our sins, Scripture says, He is faithful to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. Yes, and actually we become clothed with His righteousness and it's such a joy. But that is the answer. But it's also, we come to Him, He gives us rest. You can understand biblical principles of government. Just begin in Romans 13 and you'll see principles from government laid out in the scriptures. And what is the situation of a government and what authority it has over its people. But you will see it does not apply to any religious body. You will see from the scriptures that what the Vatican is doing is an abomination before God. If there was a stronger word I would use it, but it is. It's a blasphemy because it's claiming spiritually what is spiritually a contradiction. Christ said, my kingdom is not of this world. His kingdom is not worldly. And the Lord gives us wisdom and it's such a joy. It's such a joy to me to hear from people And as we make these programmes, my email address will be at the foot of the screen. It would be lovely to hear from you. And on this particular topic, Bill, we've made quite a number of shows together. and I think that this is probably one of the most important ones we've ever made and I would love to hear from you and it's always an encouragement to hear how people's minds are opened and I appeal to you to make this program known to others, forward the URL to other people as you see it on whatever station you see it on and I would appeal to you to forward this to others and may God be glorified and may souls be saved and that is our prayer as we finish. that we would see the Kingdom of Christ in all its reality, that we would trust on Him more and more, and know the joy of what it is to be a believer, sharing everlasting life now, and that we would see, in contrast to the glory of Christ Jesus and His Kingdom, which is forever. that we would see the horrors of this Roman Catholic Church and the guile in which it is implemented. So may God be glorified and may souls be saved to the praise and glory of His grace, now and forevermore. Amen and amen. Praise God. He is our only hope He is the brightest star