Good evening. If we can take a seat, we'll get started with the apologetics meeting here. Just a few words of introduction. My name is Heinz Leklama. I'm the president of the Apologetics Forum. And we have four or five people on our board. We bring in speakers once a month. And we bring them to five or six different churches when they come here for the weekend, from Wednesday night all the way through Sunday night in the greater Seattle area. Our headquarters really is in Arlington, Atonement Free Church. That's where our regular meeting is on Friday nights. But in the back, there is a list of all the places that Speaker Mike Riddle will be at. So it's on the table. There's a complete schedule for him all the way from Wednesday through Friday. uh... sunday night but i want to draw attention to two special things and saturday night uh... he's uh... going to be speaking actually one of our other board members dan craft is going to be speaking at the youth night at uh... snohomish emmanuel baptist church not too far from here and uh... the details of that are on a flyer in the back table as well And then the special thing that we have, some of you were here last year when Mike was here, and he gave a one-day course, basic creation training course, that was held here. And we had about 50 people come out for that, many of you and your congregation. This year, we're going to do another one of those courses, but it's going to be at Snohomish Emmanuel Baptist Church again, so not too far from here. The youth night actually is in Lake Stevens at Calvary Chapel, so three different churches. But the complete schedule is there and details of all of the events are on these flyers and they're on our website. On the back table, you'll see this here brochure which describes what we do, the apologetics forum. We have a website with a lot of information and a complete schedule of where all of our speakers are going to be every night. So avail yourself of that. At the end of the meeting, there's a lot of resources in the book tables you might find of interest as well. And so before I introduce Mike Riddle, our speaker, let me just open up in a word of prayer, and then we'll get started. Father, we come to you just to thank you for this opportunity that we have to hear your word through one of your chosen servants, and we thank you for Mike Riddle's ministry, for he and his wife Leslie, we thank you for them, and that they're willing to do this. We just pray you give them the right words to use to reach the audience here, and that people would learn from that and share what they learn with others, Lord, and that your word would go forth. We just thank you in Jesus' name, amen. So Mike Riddle is, he actually hails from the Seattle area. I've known Mike for probably 20 years now. He's been involved in ministry and he worked for ICR as a speaker. He worked for Answers in Genesis, two of the large creation movements here in this country. And for the last six years, maybe even seven now, he's got his own ministry called Croatian Training Initiative. So he founded that. He's the president of that. And he gives a lot of different courses around the country on different courses. And they're all listed on his website as well. So Mike, come on up and share a word with us. Congratulations. You got to keep tabs on these nuclear physicists. Anyway, it's a blessing to be back here again. We always look forward to these kind of opportunities, and notice I call this opportunity. Isn't it a wonderful time to be a Bible-believing Christian? We say, oh, that's happening out there. We can count our blessings. You know, every morning we wake up, it's a blessing to have that breath of life, isn't it? And God has a plan for us. But I want to use the time to go through this talk because I want to make sure we get done before midnight. And I guarantee we will. But we're gonna talk about apologizing tonight. Anybody have to know what the word apologetics means? I like to teach by fear and intimidation. This side over here, somebody give me what the word apologetics means or everybody on this side is gonna do 20 pushups before you go home. Make a defense. Somebody better take him out to dinner free, because he just saved you from 20 pushups. Thank you for doing that. Right, apologetics is Greek, apologia, meaning you have a verbal defense. You can actually defend what you believe, and that is a biblical command, not to just pastors, but everybody who professes to be a Bible-believing Christian, you are commanded to know how to defend your faith. Matter of fact, it says it multiple times in the Bible, so it's something we need to be able to do. It doesn't mean you have to be a scholar. You don't have to be a scientist, don't have to be a theologian, don't have to be a philosopher. Just believe the Bible, you can be an apologist. So we're gonna go through several different topics here. We're gonna go through one like this called, who did Cain marry? That still is pretty popular out there. Many of our youth do not know how to answer this and they get challenged in the school system. We got Adam and Eve, Cain and Abel. So who did Cain marry? Some hairy ape woman? Well, let's take a look. You know, the first part of this answer comes right out of the Bible. Genesis chapter five, verse four, it says, after he begot Seth, the days of Adam were 800 years and he had sons and daughters. So it was just not Cain and Abel and eventually Seth, but notice plural, sons and daughters. Mike, are you suggesting that Cain might have married his sister? Oh! There's two reasons you won't do that today. One, it's against the law. And secondly, you probably don't like your brother's system that much. But I'm not going to talk about that one. But isn't that wrong to marry your close relation? Today, it's very wrong. As a matter of fact, it's against the law to marry your close relation. But back then, it wasn't. Why not? Well, the reason you can't marry your close relation today is something called mutations. Every one of you has a genetic load of mutations. Just look at the person sitting next to you. I like to cause a little commotion here. So we all have mutations in us. And the possibility, if two people get married and they have the same mutation, there's a good possibility the children could be deformed. So we don't let you marry your close relation to protect the children. But let's take a look at this. When God created everything, how good was his creation? It was perfect. He calls this entire creation very good, which means exceedingly good. His creation was perfect, meaning no mutations, no death. But then came the fall, the curse. All of creation comes under the curse. And at that point, mutations started to come into the creation. And they continued to increase over time. Yes, they are increasing. Your children? But every new generation gets between 50 and 100 more mutations. That means youth in here, you children, you have about 50 to 100 more mutations than your parents do. Wow, how does that make you feel now? I don't know who you're going to blame on that. How about Adam? So mutations start coming in. So during all that time, family intermarriage was still okay, because we did not have the genetic load of mutations. It took a while to build up that genetic load. And it wasn't until the book of Leviticus chapter 18, which was about 2,500 years after the creation, or 2,500 years of accumulating mutations, that God intervenes, notice he intervened, and he said, no longer can you marry your close relation. So he made the rule first, not us. Why? To protect our children. So we can answer that one now. Who became Mary? Most likely his sister, a very close relation. Was that against the law? No, it wasn't, because we did not have the genetic loading mutations. I might be standing out of that door when we finish tonight, and I'm going to ask you that question. You know what happens if you don't know the answer? Push-ups, yes. Told you, fear and intimidation is a wonderful way to teach. How many teachers do we have here? Would you agree with that? Not yet, okay. Well, let's try this one. How could Adam name all the creatures in one day? That's another challenge our youth get from teachers and professors. There's millions of creatures out there. How could he do that in one day? Matter of fact, unfortunately, we get that question from people who claim to be Christians also, who want to believe in forms of evolution. They'll come up and challenge us. There's not enough time in one day for Adam to name all the creatures. But if you do your homework, it's not so bad. Answering the challenge. Genesis 2.19, our start of our answer. God brings the animals to Adam. Adam doesn't have to go out on some wild safari and round all these creatures up. God is parading them right in front of him. All he has to do is give them a name. But he didn't have to name all the creatures. When you read the Bible, he wasn't responsible for naming everything. He had to name the livestock, like the cattle, beasts of the field, and birds of the air. He did not have to name the fish, the marine creatures, the insects, or amphibians. That's the majority right there. When you look at that, do your study, that's only about 1,000 creatures He had to name. Why? Because don't forget, God created everything after their kind. In other words, all He had to say was chicken. That took care of all the flavors of chicken we have out there. He didn't have to name every type within there, and all he had to say was dog, took care of all the dogs, all the canine family. Then horse, all he had to say was horse, took care of all the different horse types we have out there. So it's just within the kind, and you narrow that down, it's only about 1,000, because he didn't have to name everything out there. People need to do the homework if they're going to attack the Bible. So conclusion, Adam had to name about 1,000 creatures. If he named four every minute, which is very easy to do, he would have done it under five hours. He could have taken a union break in there. So not a hard question when we look at what he really had to name. So this side over here, who did Cain marry? His wife. Well, that's a conclusion there. I married my wife too. Who became Mary? Most likely his sister. Was that incest? No, why not? Right, very good, you redeemed yourself. Right? Yes. We didn't have the genetic loading mutations back then that we have today. So it was not dangerous. Very good. Then we had our second one. Could Adam name all those millions of creatures in one day? What did I just do there? Added something in that the Bible doesn't say. It never said he had to name a million, did it? Just said name each of the certain kinds of creatures, which totals about 1,000. This is getting pretty easy now, isn't it? But now, how could Noah fit all those millions of creatures on the ark? Did you catch what I said this time? Does the Bible say millions? No, it doesn't, but people will throw that in their question. Learn to be good learners, good listeners. Learn to be discerning before you make comments. So how could Noah fit all the creatures on the ark? Well, let's look at this. We're gonna take this in three parts. Number one, how did the animals get to the ark? How big was the ark? And how many animals really needed to go on the ark? So we're gonna go through all three of those. First of all, how did the animals get to the ark? Well, the Bible answers that for us. It says this, of the birds after the kind, of animals after the kind, of every creeping thing on the earth after its kind, two of every kind will come to you. God brings them to the ark. So that part's pretty easy. That wasn't too bad. Now, how big was the ark? Now, which one does the ark most likely look like here? Yes. Which one do you find in Christian bookstores? The one on the top. And I go to churches and I see the one with the houseboat with all the animals' heads sticking out. You know what I say if I see that in the children's church? Leave it up. Wait a minute, Mike. No, leave it up. Because it can be turned into a wonderful teaching tool. The teacher in there, what they can do is talk about the description of the ark in the Bible, about 450 feet long, and it's about the shape of a large rectangle. It's about one and a half football fields long. And then once you teach them what the Bible teaches, then you say, what does that look like? And they'll say, that's not what the Bible teaches. And now you've got a learning tool in there. Every time they see one of these on television or other bookstores, they can say, that's not what the Bible teaches. So use it as a teaching tool. Don't take it down right away. It's a wonderful teaching tool. But in reality, it looked something more like this. And here's what the Bible says, and this is how you should make it. The length of the ark should be 300 cubits, it's width 50 cubits, and it's height 30 cubits. Now why couldn't they just talk in feet and yards and inches back then? Cubit, what's a cubit? Well, there's different lengths of a cubit from here to about there. That's what they measured a cubit. And people have different lengths right there. So there's been different lengths of cubits. So we take a somewhat conservative one, and we'll say it's about 450 feet long, about 75 feet wide, and about three stories tall. That's our best guess, because we don't know the actual cubit they used there. So that's our best guess. Noah's ark size, look at that. It's about one and a half football fields long. Gives you a pretty good idea of just how long that thing is. It's length to width ratio is six to one. Did you know that happens to be the perfect length to width ratio for floating? Isn't that amazing how Noah knew to build an ark with the perfect dimensions for floating? Now, was the ark designed to go anywhere? No, because there was nowhere to go, because the water covered everything. Contained three decks, not designed to go anywhere, and equivalent in volume to about 260 railroad cars for floor space. That's a lot of railroad cars. How'd you like to be held up in traffic for one of those? That's about the floor space you'd have in there. So, how could Noah fit all the creatures in the ark? Well, we have to look at what was included. What does the Bible say was included? It doesn't say everything went on the ark. Beast and cattle, those two and four footed animals. Birds, creeping things like small reptiles, sea creatures were not included. That takes care of quite a few of them. Sea creatures, they already live in the ocean. Now, let's look at this. There are over one million named species today. Over one million named species. That's way too many to fit on that arc. But only land-breathing creatures had to go on the arc. None of the sea creatures. The list leaves about 33,000 species. Now, there's a difference between kinds and species here. Species is a man-made thing, and they have changed over time. This can be divided into families. How many remember your old biology chart? I got a little picture of it down there. You got your species, genus, family, order, class, phylum, kingdom. We're just gonna talk about families, and then based on the current research, this gives us a number of about what? 1,000, the same thing Adam had to name. Isn't that a coincidence? So about 1,000 different creatures had to go on there, so that would be about what? 2,000 animals had to go on there, two of each, seven of some kind, but two of each, that gives us 2,000. Isn't that math easy? How many like math here? Yes, I like math. You can fool a lot of people with it, too. Only two of each kind had to go in the ark. We can measure a maximum of 1,000, assume about 1,000 different kinds had to go in there, so that's 2,000 creatures. The average size animal in the ark was about the size of a sheep. and only the young creatures had to go on. It never says the great big grandma and grandpa creatures went on the ark. We just assume that, because we see it in pictures all the time. How about just the young creatures? Because you know those elephants didn't start out real big, did they? Giraffes didn't start out that tall. You weren't this big when you were born. I know your mothers are grateful for that. So just bring the young creatures that weren't quite so big. And the average double-decked stock car can hold 200 sheep. But we're going to be generous. We're just going to put 100 in each stock car. A train pulling 20 cars could carry all 2,000 creatures. So what we've got is 20 cars that would be full now, and 20 full, and 240 cars still empty. There's plenty of room in there, even for all of Noah's and his family's luggage. There's plenty of room in there. But let's look at this. What about the dinosaurs? Well, not a problem. They're already included in the original 1,000 creatures. That's already been added in. And there's not that many different types of dinosaurs out there. You know the wonderful thing about dinosaurs? We should never lose the argument. You know there's no transitions leading up to the dinosaurs? We can't find any real transitions. Every one they put in a museum, they might put one or two in there. They already look like dinosaurs. That's not a transition. So there's not that many different kinds. Now, what about the insects? Well, there's some issues about insects. Insects don't have nostrils like we do, or lungs like we do, breathe through the pores. So they're a little different than us. Insects don't have blood like human beings. So were they on the Ark or not? Well, let's look at another issue. Some of those insects are very delicate, like bees and butterflies, may not survive a worldwide flood. So to be generous, how about we put them on the ark? Is that okay to do? Let's go and put them on. We got enough cars left. There's about a million different species of insects out there. Let's just put a whole bunch of them on there, okay? We'll put them all in there. And they're not that big, so they could each fit in about a six-inch cube, couldn't they? It's not much. That would end up taking about 12 boxcars. So where do we stand now? 20 for all the animals, 12 for the insects, that's 32 cars. We still have 228 cars empty. Do we have a problem here at all? No, we don't. Conclusion, plenty of room for all the creatures to fit on that arc, and they could still have their bowling games and everything else on there. So not a problem. See, when we do a little homework, these questions are real, they're not easy questions when you get asked them. But once you do a little research, you find out they're not that hard. Wouldn't it be great if our youth knew how to answer these questions when they go to public schools? Can you imagine what kind of a witness they would be to their peers, answering these kind of questions? It might break down some strongholds and get some of these other youth, start thinking, wait a minute, there's something to Christianity. We seem to have answers. I tend to like evangelism. You know the ultimate piece in evangelism if they don't listen to you? It's called the headlock. Is that right? No, no, you did not hear that here. Okay, how about this one? Is the Bible scientifically accurate? That's another one that we have to address. Is it scientifically accurate? Well, let's look at the Bible science. The origin of the universe. I like this one. Where did the universe come from? They might say, where did God come from? And that's a very legitimate question. Where did God come from? It's not our answer. Can I show you how to answer this one? Let me start with this. Do we know something about non-believers they don't know about themselves? Say yes. Good, good, good. This side's doing pretty good. Yes, we do. We know something about everybody on this planet that many people don't know about themselves. Everybody living today and everybody that's ever lived on this planet knows God exists. Because in Romans chapter one, he said, you don't have an excuse. You all know he exists. Know what else we know about everybody on this planet? God has implanted the moral law in their hearts. So they know right and wrong. They know God's moral law. And the third thing we know about non-believers is many of them are willfully rejecting the truth. So that's our starting point when we talk non-believers. We know something about them already. So here's how I answer the question. about the origin of the universe. Where did God come from? It's a simple one. You don't have to be a physicist to do this. Two statements, and we're gonna win the argument. Not that that's our goal. Our goal is to do what? Break down the stronghold, get to the gospel. That's our goal. So I start all my discussions now using the Bible rather than science. Why? Because Romans 1, 16 says the power is in our wisdom, No, the power is in the gospel, not our wisdom. So I'm gonna start with the power right there, God's word. And here's how I start the conversation. Without a creator God, nothing could exist. Wow, that's true. Without a creator God, nothing could exist. Well, what are the evolutions gonna do about that? Where'd their universe come from? They ask me where God came from, I say he has to exist. If without a creator God nothing exists, therefore God must exist, because we're here. How did the evolutionists answer this? Well, Mike, nothing created something. Is that very scientific? You know what they do if you don't like that? Well, nothing doesn't really mean nothing. Don't buy into that, folks. Or a quantum fluctuation. For you people that like science. I've had that asked of me and brought to me and I said, wait a minute, does a quantum fluctuation require energy? You know what the answer is? Yes. So where'd your energy come from? You gotta start with nothing. And the end result is, they don't have an answer for why the universe is here. We do. Without a creator God, nothing could exist. And that's science right there. Without a creator God, nothing could exist. The origin of stars and galaxies. Where did the stars and galaxies come from? Oh, that's easy. Just open up your textbook, and it tells you right there in your textbook. You get these great big gas and dust clouds out there, and they rotate around and around and around. As they rotate around and around, they begin to gravitationally collapse inward and get more and more condensed, and all of a sudden we have a brand new star. And the technical term for that is baloney. Because we know, through observable and repeatable science, that when gas and dust clouds rotate around and around, they will begin to gravitationally collapse inward. But as they do so, they generate heat pressure. And that heat pressure is always stronger than the gravity and causes the cloud to expand outwards. So where do the stars and galaxies come from? They don't know. No one's ever seen a star form either. But what does the Bible teach? On day four, he created the stars. Quintillions of them, for those of you who like big numbers. He also said stars are too numerous to count. Anybody want to try and count to a quintillion? Your great-great-grandchildren won't even get there if you start today. So the stars are too numerous to count. The origin of life. Our best scientists in the world can't even create one single biological protein. And your cells are made up of thousands of proteins. We can't even come up with one small one. Don't even talk about the other parts of the body, the DNA and RNA and all those other parts of a cell. Show me how you get one single biological protein by random chance, and it cannot be done. With all the intelligence we have today, with all the equipment, modern science we have today, still can't be done. But what is God saying? He created life, all life. Now, what we're showing here is evolution has a lot of faith. Ultimately, they have to believe what they believe by faith. The diversity of life on Earth. What does the Bible tell us? Everything was created for its kind. I've never seen anything produce a different kind on its own. It's never been done. People produce what? Mostly people. We have a few oddities out there. But giraffes produce giraffes. Elephants produce elephants. All they do is make up a story based on a very sketchy fossil record. So they can't do that. The origin of dinosaurs. When they appear in the fossil record, they're dinosaurs. Matter of fact, you know where we find most all dinosaurs? Let's expand it. You know where we find almost all fossils in the world? In sediments laid down by water. What does that suggest? They were all buried by a big flood. Isn't that amazing? We find dinosaur graveyards all buried in sediments laid down by water. How do you get 50, 60, 70 dinosaurs all buried together? Well, that's easy. They all got together and said, let's die here. No, that's not what happened. A worldwide flood caused the majority of the fossil record we have today. The age of the Earth. The Bible clearly teaches about 6,000 years. I've never met anybody who could biblically defend an old earth. Can't be done. Really can't do it scientifically either. Because all the scientific methods we use, what we call the radiometric day methods, are all based on assumptions. Guess what they don't teach in the school systems? the assumptions they're based on. Why? Because once you learn the assumptions and find out those assumptions have been shown to be faulty, and there is no, nothing directly measures an age anyway. None of those methods give an age. What they do is get a ratio of elements in there, then they interpret an age. So none of them give how old something is directly. And they don't teach that either. So the age of the earth, the Bible gives a pretty clear estimate, about 6,000 years. Notice the word about there. The fossil record, again, where we find most all fossils, sediments laid down by water. So the Bible agrees with what we observe in the scientific record there. And then, did you know the Bible gives the first hint of the second law of thermodynamics about 2,000 years before we discovered it? It says in Romans, all creation grown. So it's all of creation is doing what? Wearing down. That's a general description of the second law of thermodynamics right there. It's not the definition, but it's a general description of it. Everything's wearing out over time. 2,000 years before we even discovered it. What an amazing book we have. The Bible and science. Don't ever go out there and make the statement, the battle's between Bible and science. That degrades God. Why? Because who created all the scientific principles we have? God did. He's not in a battle with himself. See, here's the real problem. The battle's between what we call the Bible and evolution, and the battle's also between true science and evolution, because true science does not agree with evolutionism. but the Bible and science go together. We never say science proves the Bible, because that puts science above God's word. What we might say is the scientific evidence agrees with what the Bible says. So that wasn't a hard challenge, was it? The Bible is scientific. It talks a lot about science, but it's not a science book. Aren't you glad? Because what do we keep doing to our science books? Changing them. The Bible has never had to change. All right, here's another one. How in the world could the first three days of creation be literal days if the sun was not there until day four? Now that sounds like a pretty hard one. How are we gonna get around that one? Well, it's gonna be easy. Just wait a few minutes and you'll get around it. And I'm gonna require you to know this one, too. Oh, by the way, who did, let's go over here. Who did Cain marry? No, don't give me his wife. Everybody marries their wife. Or, well, you marry your wife or your husband. His sister, most likely his sister. Was that against the law back then? Why not? We didn't have mutations, see? I hope some of you don't have to spend all night here. Okay, let's look at this one. Where do we get a year from? What's the definition of a year? Where do we get this 365 and a quarter days? Where do we come up with that? Very good. The time it takes the earth to go around the sun once. That's an astronomical event. So that's where you get a year from. Where do we get a month from? My resident astronomer here. The time it takes the moon to go around the earth. Where do we get a week from? From the Bible. You know what that means? Somebody better call up that group called the ACLU and tell them to ban the week because it's a biblical event. But where do we get a day from? What's the definition of a day? Right, the rotation of the earth once on its axis. Do we need the sun for that? No, we don't. The definition of a day is the rotation of the earth once on its axis. It's not too hard now, is it? But let's add some more on here. What did God say in Genesis 1, three through five? Then God said, let there be light, and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good, and God divided the light from the darkness. God called the light day, and the darkness he called night. So the evening and morning were the first day. On day one, he created light, but the sun was not there until day four. Can God do this? Yes, he can. Here's part of the key here. On day one, God uses a Hebrew word, or, O-W-R, to describe light. What that means is luminescence. The implication that there's light there, but not necessarily any body to create that light. Can God create light without a source? He can do that. If he can create light out of nothing, he can do that. God is not bound by our laws of science. He can do those things. He can actually defy gravity. Did you know he did that once? When Jesus ascended back into heaven, that divided gravity right there. So he's not bound by all these things. He can create light without a light source. He can do that. But on day four, when he uses the word light, it's a different Hebrew word, maor. That means luminary. It means he created a body out there that's not creating the light called the sun. Don't we have a wonderful God? See, this is when studying the Bible gets exciting. When you look at some word meanings and how God put everything down, it helps solve a lot of our questions. So two different Hebrew words. Now here's the final question. If there was already day and night cycle before the sun, why did God make the sun and stars? We already had a day and night cycle before we had the sun, so why did he have to create the sun, moon, and stars? Here we go, Genesis 114, he gives us the answer. Then God said, let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night, and let them be for signs and seasons and for days and years. So we would have a way to tell time. Don't we have a wonderful God there? Think of all the things he's done for us. So the first three days of creation were literal 24-hour period days. We don't need the sun for that. There are many forms of light, electromagnetic waves. God created light, and God is light. What that light was, we don't know, because we weren't there, were we? But we know our God, who can create out of nothing and save every one of us, can do that, too. How many have been waiting for some science now? How many have carbon-14? Anybody know what carbon-14 is? It's in you. Better to learn about this thing. It's in you. Carbon-14, it's an atom. We refer to it as an atom, or sometimes you call it an isotope, means there are different flavors of carbon-14, or carbon. We got the challenge, carbon-14 proves fossils are older than 6,000 years. In fact, in textbooks, they're measuring things. They say this fossil's 30,000 years old, this 20,000 years old. Doesn't that prove the Bible wrong right there? Well, let's talk about these atoms here. We have different kinds of carbon. There's carbon 12, 13, and 14. We're going to make this simple. We're only going to talk about carbon 14. That's all I want to talk about, just carbon 14. How many like easy things? How many like thin books with lots of pictures? Yes, those are my favorite books, too. I do have a wonderful book at home. I'm getting through it. It's an old book, but it's still very relevant today. It's that thick and has not one, it doesn't have a single picture in it. It's called The Training of the 12. How did Jesus choose his 12, and how did he train them? You wanna learn about teaching, that is an excellent book about teaching right there. Just don't, it'll take you a while. Okay, carbon 12, 13, 14, we're just talking about 14. Now, what are the three subatomic particles inside an atom? Can't miss it. Proton, neutron, electron, okay? Okay, for you people who like science, what two out of three here gives the weight of the atom? And you're my astronomer, you don't have to know this. I need a physicist over here. You'll be my physicist. And you were saying proton or neutron, weren't you? Okay, so you'll be my physicist. I got all these smart people in here. I got astronomers, physicists. Okay, protons and neutrons give it its weight. And electrons have so little mass, we don't count it in there. Now, protons and neutrons make up what we call the nucleus, the central part of the atom. And electrons kind of float around there. And the number of protons that are found inside an atom determine the kind of atom it is. That's how we make that distinction. In other words, all carbon atoms have six protons. All nitrogen atoms have seven protons. And all oxygen atoms have eight protons. So that's how we determine what kind of atom or element we're looking at, is the number of protons. And to get how heavy it is, we add the number of protons and neutrons. How many brought back, did this bring back any bad memories to anybody? This wasn't too hard so far, was it? Okay, we're just gonna talk about carbon-14. In other words, what's the difference between carbon-12, 13, 14? Well, all carbon atoms have six protons, but they can have different number of neutrons. So carbon-12 would have six protons, six neutrons. Carbon-13 would have six protons, but how many neutrons? Seven. Carbon-14 has six protons and how many neutrons? Eight. See? Don't you wish you were back in school and knew all this stuff now? All right. So that's the only one we're going to talk about. Just carbon-14. So that's the end of the science thing right there. That's all you needed to know. Carbon-14. It's found in all living things, called organic material. So we can just refer to you now as organic material. We had a lot of organic material come out to this talk tonight. That's what you are. Okay, carbon-14. How do we get it in us? We eat it, we breathe it. That's how we get in. We eat it and we breathe it. It's in the upper atmosphere. What happens is we have these cosmic rays coming down from outer space. See, carbon-14 is not really so natural to our atmosphere. These tiny energized particles come down from outer space, bombard our upper atmosphere, come down with tremendous force and intensity, and they actually end up having collisions in our upper atmosphere. And some of the nitrogen atoms, because our atmosphere is made out of mostly nitrogen and oxygen, some of the nitrogen atoms get changed into carbon-14 atoms. What happens is it's a proton-neutron change that takes place in there because of this bombardment. So some of the nitrogen atoms get changed into carbon-14 atoms. Carbon-14 gets taken in by the plants, and we eat it, and we breathe it, so all of us have carbon-14 in us. Now I have a question. Who wants to answer it? Okay, very good. The rest of you are going to wish you would have answered this, and you've shown your intelligence in physics. It's not a trick question. Do rocks eat or breathe? No, he's right. See, he understands physics. Rocks don't eat or breathe. Therefore, will rocks have carbon-14 in them? No, most all rocks, I say most all, there's some special rocks out there, but we'll talk about them. But we can't use carbon-14 dating to date rocks. We can only do it for dating once living things, because we eat it and breathe it. So we eat it and breathe it. Now, I have another question. Anybody wanna answer it? Okay, you want to try and answer this one? Okay, you want to try it again? We'll go to my physicist. When we die, do we continue to eat or breathe? Why? Don't you wish you had volunteered? Okay, once we're dead, we no longer eat or breathe. That's pretty much a fact. So what's happening? While we're living, we're taking all this carbon-14 in us. But once we die, we no longer eat or breathe, so we no longer take any carbon-14 in us. But the carbon-14 that was in us continues to decay out. And we estimate, after about 80,000 to 100,000 years at most, all the carbon-14 is gone out of us. So the maximum dating range for carbon-14 Not even be 100,000. Most textbooks will say between 40 and 60,000, because reliability goes down. There's very little of it after that. But I'm going to give 100,000 to make a nice, easy figure there. 100,000 years, all the carbon-14 is pretty much gone. Got that picture now. This is very important. After 100,000 years, shouldn't be any there. So anything older than 100,000 years shouldn't have any datable carbon-14. So if we were to find a fossil that had no carbon-14 in it, what could we assume? It's older than 100,000 years. It's been laying out there for over 100,000 years. If we found a fossil that still had carbon-14 in it, what could we assume? It's got to be younger than 100,000 years. This is good news, folks. This is really good news. So if we found, we take the evolutionary time scale, break it up into the different Paleozoic, Mesozoic, Cenozoic. If something is in the Paleozoic, going back to 540 million years, should it have any carbon-14 in it? No. How about if we found a fossil in the Mesozoic? Age of dinosaurs? No. How about age of mammals? Very little. We're the age of the mammals there. But most of them shouldn't have it in. Only about 100,000 years. You know what we're finding in dinosaurs all over the world? They're supposed to be 65 million years old, aren't they? So why are we finding carbon-14 in dinosaurs all over the world? Something is wrong with the evolutionists' assumptions, aren't they? That shows they have to be much younger than 100,000 years. Wow! Isn't this good news? See, true science rejects the evolution idea. But remember, they have control of the education system, don't they? And over 90% of our Christian students still go to public schools, so what are they learning? Evolution, an ungodly philosophy. And they have control of the political system. They have control of the media. So all you hear is the evolution story. And unfortunately, and this is a bad unfortunately, we don't get the good news in most churches either, or Christian universities. Because a lot of Christian universities have already compromised and teach some forms of evolution. We need to stop funding them and only fund the ones that believe God's word. So dinosaurs, and we can rule out contamination. That's been ruled out. That's not hard to do. So dinosaurs contain carbon-14. Refuse the whole evolutionary model. Also, coal. Coal is organic, comes from once living things. Coal is supposed to be hundreds of millions of years old. Should we find any carbon-14 in coal? Absolutely not. But guess what they found when they took coal samples from different places around the country? Carbon-14. Wow. Real science. refutes evolution and agrees with God's word. Measurable carbon-14 in coal beds. Diamonds, one of the hardest substances we know. Diamonds are supposed to be billions of years old. How many have a diamond on their finger? Can I tell you what kind of a cad your husband is? You know, we can make better diamonds in about a day than you buy for, thousands of dollars. We can make them in a day. It doesn't take millions of years. So they're not that rare after all. Yeah, watch out. I'm on the bad side of all the husbands now. Okay, diamonds. Supposed to be billions of years old. Now, diamonds are a very special kind of rock because what they're made out of is pure carbon. That's all they are, is pure carbon. And you know what we're finding in these diamonds? Carbon-14 is still there. What does that mean about these diamonds? They can't be millions or billions of years old. The evidence does not support that. You know what's not getting into our public schools? This information. You know what's not getting into a lot of Christian churches and Christian schools? This information. We need to arm our next generation. So diamonds, 12 diamond samples all contain carbon-14 in them. You don't want to take too many diamond samples. Why? It costs a lot of money. So the results indicate the entire geologic column cannot be millions of years old. It confirms exactly what the Bible teaches and challenges the evolutionary timescale. Conclusion, the scientific evidence supports exactly what the Bible teaches and refutes evolutionism. Let's go to the last one. The Bible's outdated. It was written 2,000 years ago. How many would read a book that's 2,000 years old and still think it's relevant? Good, good, I like that. Okay, we got a few courageous people. Oh, good, good. Let's take a look at this. You know, since the Bible was written, people tried to ban it. They tried to burn it. They've tried to outlaw it. All through the centuries, people have been doing that. The Bible is banned or restricted today. North Korea, China, Malaysia, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Yemen, Iran, and the American public education system, where it's banned or restricted. Some of these places it can cause death. So it's not just yesteryear all this happened, it's happening today, right here in this country. People tried to add books and subtract books, the missing gospels. And there's one religion out there that added a whole section of books called the Apocrypha. It's not relevant to today's world. Books like this, A Scientific Approach to Christianity. It shows that science has a greater authority than God's word. He spends his whole book showing just that. Time Magazine, Is the Bible Fact or Fiction? Well, they came up with fiction. Here's another one written by a pastor. Thank God for evolution. The whole book, He Ridicules Creation, shows evolution as a fact, and he was a pastor. Then Time Magazine, Is God Dead? This is just a small sampling of the books out there that teach the Bible is not relevant, nor is it true. We have our state schools today. What are they doing? Disallow the singing of Christmas carols. Disallow prayer. Disallow the posting of the Ten Commandments. Disallow the name of Jesus at athletic events and other school assemblies. Disallow the teaching of a creator God. And biblical principles have been deemed intolerant today. especially with this new social justice movement and the critical race theory have all been deemed that the Bible is no good. They give a false gospel. Critical race theory promotes a false gospel and it's anti-God. You need to remember that. Because what they have done is used a lot of fancy names that sound really good, like, we're anti-racist. Well, you see what that means is if you disagree with them, you're a racist. And what they do is they say everything in America is racist. Everything is racist. Everybody's a racist. And the worst offenders are male white people. I have a question for you. Am I white? I'm not even close to it. Not even close to it. Everybody is a shade of brown. There's no white, nor is there black. Everybody is a shade of brown. So we've been indoctrinated into taking the world's words there. The Bible doesn't talk about racism at all, never mentions racism. It's not a biblical term. It never divides people up by the shade of their skin, never. It's a foreign word brought in by the world. People have tried to compromise God's word by putting the Big Bang and billions of years in there, which are not found anywhere in the Bible. Nowhere in the Bible we see God use the Big Bang. See, the Bible very explicitly says how God created. In Genesis 1, it uses the words, and God said, multiple times. He spoke it into existence. Psalm 36 verses, what was it? I just lost that. Psalm 33, six and nine, there we go. Had to get my neurons and synapses going there. Psalm 33, verse six and nine, where he spoke and it was done. Hebrews 11, three, he's spoken into existence. How many times does he have to tell us this before we believe it? Did you know God can do that? He can actually speak and something come into existence. That's who our God is. See, we have too much of a tendency to bring God down to our level. We're creating God in our image. Folks, he can do things we can't even think about. He is the almighty creator, the sovereign ruler over this universe. Let's respect him for that and give him the due he deserves. Quit changing him. And we've been mocking God's word. Books like The Da Vinci Code, The Biggest Lie in the History of Christianity, and Richard Dawkins' The God Delusion, all just outright mocking God's word. All of these tend to make the best sellers list. And then the promotion of false gospels everywhere. The gospel of social justice has nothing to do with Jesus Christ on the cross. It's a false gospel. The soft gospel, teaching just part of the gospel. Don't talk about hell. Don't talk about that. Don't talk about the blood that was shed. Let's just make it something nice and easy. It's called the soft gospel. Matter of fact, we need to start preaching the full context of the gospel. It would solve a lot of problems if our youth understood the full context of the gospel. See, the gospel does not start in Matthew, Mark, Luke, or John. It actually starts in Genesis chapter one. It's the very foundation for the whole gospel right there. First three chapters are so important, folks. The first three chapters of the Bible, without them, we don't have a Bible. Because the whole rest of the Bible takes place because of what happens in the first three chapters. So is that an important doctrine there, creation? Yes, it is. It's not a secondary doctrine. We have the prosperity gospel, the health, wealth. Just send me your money and you're gonna live a long time and you're gonna be wealthy. Sounds like I could be on TV. The cheap grace gospel. I'm saved, now I can go out and do whatever I want. That's called the cheap grace gospel. Jesus loves you, that's all you need to know. That'll send you right to hell, folks, if you think that's the gospel. Gospel's a lot more than that. A good God would never send anyone to hell. That's our human responsibility. We take the responsibility of ourselves for going to hell, because it's not what we did that we go to hell, it's what we didn't do. And what we didn't do was what? Accept God's one and only solution called Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. That's why we go to hell. The sinner's prayer. Nowhere in the Bible does it tell us, say a sinner's prayer and you're going to heaven. That's the gospel. It never says that anywhere. Then finally, God used evolution. Those are all false gospels. Because God used evolution, what does that teach? Death before sin. So if there's already death and disease before sin, why did Jesus Christ have to suffer and die on the cross? See, these are all false gospels out there, and they're being spread within the churches today. Can I give you the track record? All those people throughout history tried to burn it, ban it, outlaw it, compromise it. Know what the track record is? They're all dead, and God's word remains unchanged. Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my word shall not pass away. That's the track record, folks. All those people out there mocking God's word, trying to ban it, they too will die, and God's word will remain unchanged. That's our track record. Now, I want to talk about something that can be done here. First thing, we need to start making sure our next generation gets trained. Not just hear the information, folks. I can stand up here and talk for an hour, two hours, three hours to our youth. That's not what we're talking about, folks. We're talking about actually equipping them so they can verbalize verbally answer challenges, verbally give the gospel presentation and defend it. That's the kind of education we need to get to. It's called, let's train our youth to be doers of the word so we can protect them. What's happened is over 60% of our youth are leaving the church today. Many of them are not coming back. And over the last four generations, the numbers have been going down. The number of youth that have a biblical worldview, it's now about less than 4%. That's the numbers we're working with today. Less than 4% of youth in this country have a biblical worldview. What that means is what we're doing is not working, and we need to change it. And the best way to change it is train it to be doers of the word. Stop teaching everything in the world, and what we do teach, make sure they can use, apply it. We have teamed up with the Institute for Creation Research. We're kind of a little part of their education arm. So we teamed up with a group of top science researchers. Institute of Creation Research located in Dallas, Texas. They've been around since the 1970s doing tremendous scientific research to show that science just is reeking of God having done all of this. And we've started a whole new program now. We're trying to get it started called the Second Timothy 2.2 Education Project. Second Timothy 2.2, the things which you have heard from me in the presence of many witnesses, entrust these to faithful people who will be able to teach others also. Paul is talking to Timothy here and he says this, Timothy, now that I've trained you, you go out and do what I did. You go out and train others also. It's called discipleship, one of the best verses in the entire Bible on discipleship. Churches need to get back into discipleship. It's not happening. The model is exactly what Jesus did. Bring them in, train them, and send them out to do the work of the ministry, to be the evangelist. We need to train them so they can be doers of the word. Not only know the gospel, but be able to defend the gospel. Have answers. See, apologetics and evangelism go hand in hand. You can't really separate them. If we're gonna go out and evangelize, we need to answer the challenges. So we're not just building apologists, we're building evangelists, we're building leaders out there. We have a whole training program getting ready to unveil to do exactly that. And how's it gonna work? With this program, very easily, we can equip 15,000 youth to be able to share the gospel and defend it in five years. 15,000 youth. It's all based on the model Jesus set up. We're gonna train teachers all over this country how to teach certain courses on biblical creation and apologetics so the churches can own it and they'll have that area where we start training more and more youth. We're specifically going after Christian school teachers, Bible study teachers, and youth pastors and youth leaders because they have direct access to the youth. And I know they have not gotten the training from their universities. I see what training courses they take. They haven't been trained in these areas that much. So we need to train them. They're in very important positions, extremely important positions, and we wanna help them out as much as we can to be able to do this. Start training their youth how to defend their faith. That's how we're gonna do it. No single ministry can do it. But if we do the model that Jesus gave us and God gave us there in the Bible, it can be done. We have a brochure out there. White cover just like this. It's on the table. It's right above where we have our newsletter sign up. You can pick one of those up. What we're looking for, we will supply the teachers. We'll supply the training. But that takes money, because we have to travel, and we don't want to be charging much for people. We want this to be very doable. We don't want people to say, well, I can't afford to come to those classes. We want to break that barrier down. We're looking for enough finances that anybody wants to be able to be a teacher in their church, Bible study, or Christian school, or youth leader. can have the opportunity to do it. So as a partnership, what we're doing, we will supply all the training, get them trained, get new teachers trained, we just need the finances to do this. We're not looking for millions of dollars. We're not looking for millions of dollars. Other places use millions of dollars to do what they do. We're looking for about $650,000. That's penis to God, it's too big for me. I get my $20 about every month, and that's about it. When it runs out, I gotta go ask the wife for more. But that's, it's not a big amount, considered, are we willing to lose another generation? We're about ready to lose this next one already, folks. It's a matter of, do we wanna do this? So we need to team up as Christians all over this country and say, it's time to get on the battlefield and do something. So, also, it's our newsletter, you wanna sign up? And also, there's many resources out there to help prepare you. Lots of resources. Some are like $2. They have small little booklets that almost have a book in them. And there are lots of books out there. Pick some of those up too. Share them. Christmas is just around the corner also. Make good presents. And then if you want to help us, we have a form out there. You can take one and mail it back to us. We're serious about this. It's not a time to be complaining anymore, folks. Let's stop the complaining. Let's get on the battlefield and go to the battle and do something about it. Let's get this next generation and take them back. We can't afford to lose another one. So I'm going to stop there, and I'm going to give it back to Heinz. And if you have a question, Heinz will answer everything. Well, thank you, Mike, for all that information and those challenges. And I'm sure people have come up with some questions that they're going to try to stump you with. Who's got a question? Put up your hand and I'll bring the microphone around to you. You ask a question about my grandchildren, you get bonus points. On that list of countries, shouldn't you put Canada on there too? Yes, I was just, they're not so much restricted as these other countries. They're not quite on the ultimate restriction list. They have color codes for the different countries and what they will tolerate. They'll still tolerate the Bible, but not as openly as we do over here in some places. You would have to raise that country. That's where I grew up. And I escaped. Good for you. How do you respond, or how do, I should say this, how do the evolutionists respond to the found carbon in dinosaurs, diamonds, and coal? Okay, question. How do the evolutionists respond to the carbon found in dinosaurs, coal, and diamonds? Ignore it. That's the number one thing they do. Ignore it as if it never happened. They don't teach about it, so their people aren't even aware of it most of the cases. Or they will say contamination. Well, you can't really do that in dinosaurs very much. If it was contamination, we'd find wide variances in the carbon-14 in these dinosaurs all over the world, but we don't. It's close to a similar amount in these dinosaurs, which means they all died about the same time. And diamonds don't get contaminated. So why is it in there? So they mostly just ignore it, try and change the subject. They'll do that if they're caught and don't want to answer a question, they'll change the subject. It's another tactic too, especially in debates, they'll want to do that. So that's their best tool. Or say, where'd you find that out? I've never heard of that, it's not true. That's another one they'll do. Thank you for that one. Yeah. It's mostly we breathe it in from the atmosphere, how we get carbon 14, and we eat it, we eat plants, plants take it in them, other animals have it in, so we get the carbon 14 by eating and breathing. They were once organic material. Oh, thank you, thank you, okay. Oh, this is gonna be, make this one an easy one. So, is the Earth a planet? I thought planets were created on day four. The Earth was created on day one. The rest of the planets, we don't know when for sure. It doesn't give us specific information. It could have been day four. But the Earth is a planet. We're not quite like a Pluto and got demoted and then maybe reinstated. But no, we're a planet. Okay, another hard question out there. Oh, we got one over there. I was wondering, so when I was watching, how do dinosaurs get it? Get? Dinosaurs. How do they get what? How do they get to be dinosaurs? Yeah. How did they get to be dinosaurs? No, how did they get carbon 14? Oh, how did dinosaurs get carbon 14? Believe it or not, the same way we do. They eat things that have it in them, and they breathe the atmosphere. So they get it just like everything else. Everything living eats and breathes, and they get carbon-14 in them. It's not a huge amount of carbon-14. It's not a whole lot. Mostly what you have in you is carbon-12, very little carbon-14. You know something about that carbon-14? It's unstable. You know what I just said? You have carbon-14 in you. Carbon-14 is unstable. What does that make you? So you now have a scientific reason for acting the way you do. It's your carbon-14 that makes you do these things. What do you mean by unstable? This might even really worry you. It's radioactive. How many are glowing at night? It's very little of this in you. Very little. For every one trillion carbon-12 atoms, you have about one carbon-14 atom. So it's not a huge amount. So don't worry about the radioactivity there. But now you know why you're unstable. Science is fun, isn't it? Yes. Okay, so my question is, is before the flood, the atmosphere was so much heavier. Would they have deeper carbon-14 patterns than what everything after the flood would show? Excellent question. Before the flood, would the atmosphere have been very different? Yes, it would have. The amount of carbon-14 in the atmosphere would be very different. Number one, we have a magnetic field up there that protects us from some things, but it's decaying. But also, Other things may have caused, the flood would have changed the carbon-14 in the atmosphere also. The amounts of carbon-14 in the atmosphere with that deluge would have changed it. So yes, that would skew the actual results the evolutionists are getting for carbon-14 dating. And when you count to all of that, it comes more in our favor. When you look at carbon-14, the reliability is only about back to 3,000 years. 4,000 at most to the time of the flood almost. After that, we just can't get anything we would call very accurate. Because the flood would have changed the carbon-14 in the atmosphere and the decaying magnetic field of the Earth would change also. Very good, wow. Got several scientists in here. Oh, uh-oh. This is going to be why is the Earth round and not square? How were the olive leaves that the dove found green? Wouldn't the plants have drowned? Before, in the flood? Oh yes, many of the plants just perished in the flood. Matter of fact, very few would have survived anything in the flood. So the plants, but plants come back rather rapidly. You know where we saw that? Mount St. Helens. Mount St. Helens, the environmental, oh, this is gonna be devastated for decades and decades. Within a year, most of it was back. So it rebounded very rapidly. An olive tree, take a branch off an olive tree, you can put it in a rock and it will start growing. They're so hardy. So it didn't take long after the flood for everything to come back. Because seeds would survive. Because the oceans weren't as salty as they are today. Because erosion constantly adds more sodium to the oceans every year. So go back about 4,500 years, they weren't as salty. That's a good question. Thank you for that. By the way, there is a creation center close to Mount St. Helens, and there is a new fossil museum, which is on display there, from a whole bunch of different fossils that somebody collected over the years. And from that creation center, there are people that take tours around Mount St. Helens as well. So if somebody has an interest in that, you can find information about that on our website. Ron Payne, who's on our board, and he's actually manning the book table there back there, he leads some of these tours. They're Mount St. Helens, and also dry falls, just as evidence for recent creation. So if anybody has an interest in that, come and ask us. Make sure you get a resource. Share it. You know where you put some of these little booklets when you go to the doctor's office or dentist where they have magazines there? Just drop one there when you're all done with it. Somebody might pick it up. You never know what's going to change a person's life for all eternity. So use it as a Whitney tool. We have some of my business cards back there if you want to get in contact with me. Here's my direct cell phone number and my direct email. But we do want to make sure we get this next generation prepared. Pick up resources because who's the number one teacher in a child's life? Parents. We're ultimately responsible for our children and what they're learning. No matter where they go, you gotta make sure you know what they're being taught, even in Christian schools today. And just to emphasize, the creation center down there, Mount St. Helens and what's happening at Dry Falls, those are good examples of how the devastation occurs in a very short time. It doesn't take millions of years. Things happen in years, and in Mount St. Helens, they happen in days. Huge layers have grown up in days. So if everyone has come back, we do have one-day classes. We have a one-day advanced class. It's not that, when you talk, it doesn't get into science so much. It's a presuppositional. How did Jesus and Paul answer challenges? We talk all about that. We have another new course called the Dynamics of Christian Education. Talks all about what Christian education should be, how do we define success as a teacher, how to set up a Sunday school program for success. That when the people are done, they can actually defend their faith, they can go out and evangelize. What kind of a Sunday school program we need. So we have several one-day courses you can take. We have a five-day course that's gonna go August next year back in North Carolina. We only take 50 people from around the country. We go college age and above. We get medical doctors, scientists, college students in there. It is five days, and it's run Marine Corps style. We don't do any Navy stuff. Mike, say a few sentences about the basic creation training course that you're gonna do this Saturday. Okay, basic creation training course. We have several chapters in there. One deals with the biblical worldview. What is it? We actually give you a definition of what it is. Then we go through the evidences that the days were literal days. We go through 11 different evidences that clearly support a day was a literal day. Then we show you how to argue, respond to those who want to believe that the days were long ages, like the Hebrew language is poetry. It's not hard to determine Genesis 1 is not poetic. That's not hard. We show you how to do that. The day-age concept, the gap theory, show you how to handle all those. We go into some basic apologies like we did up here today. We also go into a little bit about the dating methods and show how faulty they are so you don't have to be afraid of them at all. We go into what are the assumptions that they don't want to talk about. And we do a whole section on the flood, a little bit on geology. We don't go into a lot of geology. We do the fossil record. Show you some basic things about the fossil record you need to know so you don't have to get into all the fine arts of how every individual fossil. How to show the fossil record supports exactly what the Bible teaches without having to get all scientific. So we do all of that. So we have a lot of different courses, and that's the one we're going to be doing this Saturday. So if you haven't been to that one, you have an opportunity. It's $45 for adults, $25 for teens. That includes the full day of training, 830 to 530. You get a 100-page manual, and we buy lunch for you. So I know some of you have been there before, but if you haven't had a chance, this would be a good time to do it. You get details on the back. Also, I want to mention Saturday evening, we're going to have a youth night. This is addressed to the youth mainly so they can ask questions that they just don't get to ask anywhere. And we happen to have the speaker for youth night right here. He's also going to be co-teaching the one-day class, too. If you could give a few sentences on what you're going to talk about. Hi, my name is Dan Kraft and I'm going to be teaching a lesson that I developed a number of years ago. It's called Dissecting. It's like a ceiling mounted obstacle course in here. It's a presentation called Dissecting the Math of the Great Flood. What I do is I take a very, very persuasive YouTube video which disproves Noah's flood using math. And what I do is I teach kids and adults alike how to spot the hidden assumptions in the video and how to tear these things apart and just show them to be the paper tigers that they are. So it's a lot of fun. There's a lot of YouTube videos out there that guys have made to tear down the authority of the scriptures. And my aim is to give you tools to be able to watch these videos and stop and say, OK, what are they assuming? And do they actually quote the Bible correctly? It's a whole lot of fun. Yeah, Dan's one of our favorite people. He actually goes with me to Dallas, Texas to teach Christian educators. We have a Christian educator conference we hold down there every year at the Institute for Creation Research Museum Discovery Center. It's a four days, and he's one of the co-teachers of that, and they want him back. So if you want to hear Dan speak Saturday night, even some parents are welcome to come if they like. So that's available too. Two different things on Saturday. Here's a teaching technique here. You want me to end this? If there's no further questions, we're all done. Does anybody dare have a question? I'll be available for questions if you go out there and purchase all those resources and look at some of those. free things we have out there. So I want to thank you so much for coming out tonight. It's a blessing when I see people come out to hear an old guy speak, but I really enjoy that. This is my most fun thing I've ever done in my life. It's much more fun than computers. So thank you. Thank you, Mike, for the presentation and answering all those hard questions. Yes, right there, the hard questions. So, okay, so we'll close with a moment of prayer, just to remind you that there is the book table there, lots of different resources and that have answers to questions. There's a bunch of flyers which describe what's coming up, and if you want to get on the mailing list of the apologetic forum, finding out what's coming next month, and there's a sign-up sheet there as well for that. So let me just close in a word of prayer. We'll be dismissed. Father, we thank you for this time. We thank you for Mike and for Dan, the teaching, and for all those that are helping out with the apologetic form to make this possible. We just thank you for them. And we just thank you for each person here, Lord. Pray that each one will have learned something new and have something to share with friends, family, colleagues, and answer some of their questions. And we just thank you for that. In Jesus' name, amen.