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While we're doing that, let me
just take a moment to thank you for all coming out this evening. Appreciate you being here and
your interest in hearing what this guy has to say tonight.
Those of you who know me know that you're never really sure
what I'm going to say, so you show up just to kind of see what
is going to go, how it's going to go. But there is a theme. One of
the themes and the point of the pencils is that I want you to
think in terms of connecting the dots. Okay? So I'm going to try to pick up
on that idea and remind you to use your pencils mentally or
literally, if you have something to write on, because they do
write, to draw some pictures perhaps and to connect the dots.
It's a question of what is the time that we live in? How do
we make sense of the time that we live in? This session, as
I'm putting some notes together for the sessions, I thought it'd
be helpful just to have a question to attach to each of the sessions
for us to have in our minds as we start to unpack these. And
the question for this session is what are the signs of the
times for church and society? And I think you'd probably agree
that things are a little crazy and probably getting crazier. So part of that theme is going
to be connecting the dots. So get your pencils ready. The
challenge is that there's data all around us. Now, if you've
been in this part of the country for a while, you've probably
lived through at least one hurricane. Try to imagine what that's like.
How do you make sense of what's going on in the middle of a hurricane?
You see, you know, parts of things flying by the window, and you're
not necessarily sure whose they are or where they're going to
land, but you have lots of information in front of you, but figuring
out how it all fits together is the challenge, and we live
in that kind of a time where there's plenty of data, We suspect
that something in there is correct, but we also have a suspicion
that a lot of what we're seeing and hearing may not be entirely
accurate. And I'm being charitable by that.
Okay, so we're surrounded by lies. Let me just go ahead and
say that up front. I was going to hold that and
try to keep you in suspense all weekend, but I don't think you're
going to be surprised if I say that we have the sense that we
are surrounded by lies. that there's a lot of information,
some of it's true, but trying to make sense out of it and understand
our times, and particularly the confusion of our times as we
are struggling to understand everything that's coming at us
so quickly, like in a hurricane, that becomes the difficulty,
and we need some point of reference, and the obvious point of reference
is gonna be what? The Bible. So, I think I just
gave you the whole conference in the first five minutes. So, as we started tonight, Mark
read from Genesis chapter 3, the first verse. This is the
first appearance of this creature called the serpent. Up until
that point in time, through those first two chapters of Genesis,
things are not only good, but things are very good. that was
the benediction that Yahweh pronounced on his creation at the end of
chapter 2, that it is all very good, it is unblemished, it is
untarnished. But then the serpent shows up
and what is the serpent do? Or what is he set about to do? Deceive, right? Yeah, so Here's
how I could ask this question. Who was the first skeptic? The skeptic is the one who's
not sure what's true. Was that Satan? No, because he
knew what was true. He was the first liar. And by
his lies, he deceived the woman and Adam as well. So there's
a difference between doubt and deception. although they often
go together. This is the question, isn't it?
Did God say? We kind of intuitively know that
if God did speak that we have a duty to hear what He had to
say and in so much as it pertains to establishing constraints or
commands that we have a duty to obey as well. On the other
hand, if He didn't say, then guess what? That's great news.
Because now we can be as gods. We can determine right and wrong
for ourselves. We don't need to know what God
said. We don't need to care what God
said. We can just do our own thing. And what's more American
than that? So there's a cultural effect
there as well. We tend to be very independently
minded in our culture. And that affects our approach
to the word of God and our Christianity as well. It seems kind of obvious but
I'll be making a point of saying the obvious more than once this
weekend that if God has spoken then his word has authority. That's kind of implied throughout,
right? What would be the point of questioning
God's word except to undermine the authority of his word? So
God's word inherently has authority. Now when we look at society And
when we look at the world and when we look at the church, what
do we see? Lots of chaos, lots of confusion. It all goes back to that very
first question, did God say? Because there was no confusion
at the beginning until we started questioning what God had said
and specifically what He commanded. Now when we started talking about
how we wanted to put the conference together this year, it was initially
going to be basically something along the lines of the doctrines
of scripture, particularly as it's spelled out in the first
chapter of the Westminster Confession. It's the first chapter in the
Confession. It's the longest chapter in the Confession. There
are ten paragraphs. And as you start to examine that
first chapter, you find that there are lots and lots of doctrines
of scripture that are packed into it that we could take time
over the course of a weekend like this to unpack those. But
as it's often the case in a creative kind of effort, at least it's
been my experience, that it can take on a life of its own. And
after we'd kind of agreed that was the topic we were going to
do, I told Mark, it was like, going into the stable and picking
out a horse and saying, okay, let's jump on that one. And instead
of the horse going the direction we thought it was going to go,
he took off in a different direction. And so here we are now several
months later. So I would put it like this,
that rather than thinking of Scripture, the doctrine of Scripture
being the topic, think of it more as being the theme. It's
going to be the thing that underlies what we're going to be talking
about this weekend because it's the abandonment of Scripture
that is characteristic of our time. I want to suggest a couple
of proofs for that idea that the confusion of our times is
an abandonment of scripture. One within the church is what
I'll call the divergence of the church. What do you see when
you look at the church? Even in a small town like this,
in the Bible Belt, as we like to say in the South, you can't
swing a dead cat in Lufkin without hitting a church. except you'll
probably hit two or three. You'll hit some kind of charismatic
church. You'll probably hit a mainline
church. For sure you'll hit a Baptist church, maybe two. So you're
going to hit lots of churches when you start swinging a dead
cat and Lufkin. It's not a lack of churches, but the churches
are all drastically different. Isn't that the case? Now you'd
think that if we were all working from the same book, that instead
of having churches all over the map, that you would see a lot
more similarity, that there would be a convergence rather than
a divergence. And so even for those churches
that still will say, and some do on their websites, that they
are committed to Scripture, the authority of Scripture, or the
inerrancy of Scripture, and that's kind of the magic word, the inerrancy
of Scripture. that they may nevertheless be
all over the map in terms of what they believe, in terms of
their theology, and especially in terms of what they practice. And we're going to be talking
about the connections between what we believe and how that
lines up with scripture, and also what we actually do, because
we start to see disconnects when we look at those individually.
So when we look at the church, we see a vast divergence. Instead of fewer denominations
and fewer individual churches and fewer independent churches,
we see more and more and more of different varieties of churches
of every imaginable kind. And even if, for the sake of
argument, we wanted to narrow our argument down to Reformed
churches, we would still find a huge variety. The other part of the thesis
is that if we were to look at culture, we no longer see really
any evidence of what we would call a biblical ethic or a biblical
moral framework in our culture. We can think back to a time,
maybe our parents or grandparents' day, when things seemed to be
a lot more in line with Christian ethics, but more and more we
see an abandonment of any idea of Christian ethics in our society. So the church seems to be in
a state of chaos. The culture seems to be in a
state of chaos where we would expect to find at least some
amount of agreement. We're finding very little. Now when we start thinking about
what's going on in both church and culture, the question comes
up, how do we judge what we're looking at? It's always been a little ironic
to me. I've seen things like Gallup polls over the years.
They'll do a Gallup poll every year or so and one of the questions
they like to ask the general population, do you think things
are getting better or worse? Now, the funny thing is that
the response is overwhelmingly that people think things are
getting worse. And being a little bit snarky, I'm asking the question,
how do you know? Based on what standard? What are you using to judge to
say that things are getting worse? Now, it's one thing to say they're
different. That's not the question. Are
things different? Sure, they're different. But
the question is whether things are better or worse. That's a
moral judgment, isn't it? And if you're going to make a
moral judgment, you need to have some kind of a moral standard.
We need to have a filter, especially at a time like this when you
think about hurricanes, using that analogy, that's probably
not a good time to open the windows. You keep the windows closed in
a hurricane because you don't know what's going to come in
the house if you open the windows. So it's like that for us individually.
It's like that for us as a church. What is the screen that helps
us figure out of all the stuff that's flying around, what is
worth keeping and what do we need to keep out? It's kind of
like mosquitoes in East Texas. You don't want those in your
house. So the irony is that everybody
knows there's a difference between truth and error or right and
wrong, that's part of what it means to be made in the image
of God. And we'll talk more about that tomorrow. But it always
implies that there's some kind of a standard. Because without
a standard, we really are lost. It's like saying, I'm going to
go on a long trip to, I don't know, Montana, let's say. But
I'm not going to use a map. And I'm not going to look at
a compass. I'm not going to pay attention to the highway signs. I'm just
going to get in the car and drive. Well, what are the odds that
you're going to end up where you thought you wanted to go
if you don't have a map that tells you how to get there? Now I'm going to make a little
bit of fun from time to time. We have one of our national leaders
who always gets giddy and giggly when she starts talking about
Venn diagrams. Oh, she loves Venn diagrams.
Well, I do too. Maybe for different reasons,
but I'll find it helpful to at least have you draw in your mind
a Venn diagram. Now my Venn diagram I'm actually
going to start with three circles, and then I'm going to tell you
why there's four. So you can either draw this in the air with
me, or you can draw it on a piece of paper if you want to, because
they really do write. I don't have a sharpener for
these pencils, but I'm sure somebody has a pocket knife. This is Texas,
after all. Maybe a Bowie knife. So here's
the first circle. The first circle is the Bible,
okay? And the second circle is going
to be our confession. Especially in Presbyterian circles
we like to talk about our confession. It's a summation of our doctrine,
what we believe. And then the third circle is
going to be our practice. So we have the Bible and then
we have our beliefs, if you want to call it that, and then we
have our behaviors. It's a nice little alliteration.
So Bible, beliefs, and behaviors. Now The problem is that those
don't line up very well. They should line up perfectly,
right? If our doctrine agrees with the Bible and if our practice
agrees with the Bible and with our doctrine then the circles
line up and you can't tell them apart. Now here's where I'm going
to complicate it by adding a fourth circle. Underneath the Bible
because you're making the assumption, and it's a good one, that the
Bible doesn't move. But the problem that we have
when we start looking at what's going on in the church is that
the Bible moves not by virtue of it being, meaning different
things to different people, but by virtue of different interpretations
of it. So that circle that's underneath,
I'm going to call the truth. And then if you're an engineer,
you'll understand what I mean. That when you want to show that
something is fixed, that it doesn't move, you draw some hash marks
on it, like little whiskers on the side of it. So that means
the truth is fixed. It does not move. It cannot move. Now, our interpretation of the
Bible can move depending on how we're looking at it. And certainly,
our confessional beliefs and our practices can move. So in
your mind's eye, if you want a quick idea of what, I would
say, what's the chaos of the moment, it's that those circles
are diverging. that the truth is fixed but our
interpretation of the Bible could be just about anywhere on the
map and then if you start allowing the Bible to wander away from
fixed truth then your beliefs and your practices could be just
about anywhere and then it's no surprise at the end of the
day if you've got circles everywhere and none of them seem to even
touch. So that's the idea that I want you to have in mind as
we go forward because I think we can describe different kinds
of churches in different ways. There can be churches, and I
would say like in the Reformed Church, we may have really good
alignment between the truth and our interpretation of scripture
and our confessional standards. But what I'm seeing in the reformed
churches is that our practices could be way off over here. Like
they've just kind of, you know, like a balloon that's, the string
is broken and it's starting to drift away. So that's the kind
of thing that will help us visualize what's happening both in the
church and in society. Now, we're going to refer to
the Bible as inerrant. That's kind of the big word,
and it's an important word, that the Bible itself is inerrant.
In other words, this means what it means. And you say, well,
what does it mean? And it means what God said, just
as He spoke in the beginning to Adam. It means what He said. The problem is that Satan comes
along and starts asking, well, did He really say that? and we
start to doubt what it says, even where it's very clear. So
that's where we start to wander off from that objectivity. What are some of the signs of
social collapse? I'm just going to list a few
here. This is frankly kind of depressing. But you've been hearing
it and seeing it in the news. There's nothing new here. Things
like drug abuse, drug overdose, alcoholism, depression, anxiety,
suicide, marriage and divorce. And that's a big category because,
well, that's like a whole different topic. But both marriage and
divorce. And things like fertility rates,
which are collapsing around the world. poverty which is increasing
all over the place all of these things seem to be happening or
getting worse at the same moment uh... besides that we have in
the news almost on a daily basis more and more of stuff we don't
want to hear about forms of sexual deviancy and all that goes along
with that uh... it's We're pushing this kind of an
idea into younger and younger and younger children, and the
idea that you can be eight years old, an eight-year-old boy, and
decide you want to be a girl, or vice versa. Craziness. Now, Martin Lloyd-Jones, who
many of you probably know or have heard of, And one of his
sermons was quoting from an historian called Edward Gibbon who wrote
The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire. And Gibbon described
five signs of social collapse. I think I heard an amen. Let
me run through those just quickly. The first is undermining the
dignity and sanctity of the home, which is the basis for society.
So there's marriage and family, and that would include divorce
on the back end. Second one is higher and higher taxes and the
spending of public money on bread and circuses, on entertainment
and frivolity. The third is the mad craze for
pleasure and for sport, which every year becomes more and more
brutal. And I was just thinking recently,
visiting with my hosts and talking, we all graduated from the same
school, and talking about how much money our university has
spent just with some recent upgrades to the football stadium that
you use like six times a year. hundreds of millions of dollars
spent on a stadium. The fourth one is building gigantic
armaments against external threats when the real threats are internal
to society. And the last one is the decay
of religious faith into a form that has lost contact with reality. And that's kind of a recurring
theme. There's a medical term for losing contact with reality. I saw Kirk's eyebrows jump just
now. It's called psychosis. Martin Lloyd-Jones says this,
that all human systems fail because the trouble is within the people
themselves, and external rules and laws and regulations cannot
change them. It is not that we need better
laws, but that we need better natures. but better spirits and
better desires. And so all this human history
comes to nothing and yet these earthly authorities prohibit
the preaching of the gospel, the only thing that can save
the situation. So there's the theme in a nutshell.
that we need to get back to the Bible that the problems that
we're facing in society are spiritual problems and they're not going
to be solved particularly they're not going to be solved by technology
and yet in our modernistic way of thinking we assume that technology
of one form or another is going to solve our problems and it
cannot because it does not go to the source. Now if you're
a fan of Francis Schaeffer and I know there's some in the crowd
here today He said much the same thing, and I find it interesting
that by the late 60s, the book that he wrote, Death in the City,
1969, he could declare that America was a nation already under the
judgment of God. What amazes me about Schaeffer
is when you read him, he sounds contemporary. It sounds like
he could have written what he'd written just yesterday. He was
able to discern the times and to see, he was able to connect
the dots. He could connect the dots to
see where things were going, this humanistic worldview that
was taking over society and where it would inevitably lead. It was also one of Schaeffer's
great disappointments that during his lifetime, roughly the first,
or let's say the middle of the 20th century, from the 20s to
the 70s that the church had not done its job. That the church
was, had seemed to have nothing to say to what was happening
in society at that time. And we're only 50 years further
down the road now. Now the first of the signs of
decay, marriage and family, we could spend a lot of time on
that one. we could spend a lot of time
just talking about how over the last 100 years or so there has
been nothing less than a coordinated attack against the institution
of marriage in order to destroy it. And is it any surprise that
that is the case? And the answer is actually no.
The short reason is because which is the first institution that
we find in the book of Genesis in chapter 2. After God makes the man, then
He forms the woman from the man's rib, presents the woman to the
man. We have the institution of marriage,
and that is both the first and the most powerful institution
in society. And in fact, without the institution
of the family, there wouldn't be any other institution because
Well, you know, there wouldn't be any kids. So it's not surprising then that
if the serpent were going to attack just one of the institutions
established by God that it would be the family that he wants to
go at first. Let's think about some common
threads that we see across religion and culture and politics. And I have, I think there's about
10 in my list here. The first one is no absolute
truth. No absolute truth. That means
there's no standard to judge right and wrong. And the other
thing that that means that we're starting to see more and more
is that there's no standard to restrain the exercise of power. Let that sink in for a second,
because if humanism has indeed taken over the institutions,
then the only exercise of power is whatever you can get away
with. There are no ultimate limits to the exercise of power. Second
in my list is a disdain for the past. And that means several
things. One is a failure to learn from
our past mistakes. It's also a failure to preserve
what is good. And it implies that there's nothing
for us to pass on to future generations. In other words, there's nothing
that we could call received wisdom. There's nothing, let's say, that
you could learn from your parents or your grandparents as if their
age and experience has some value to you in your generation. So you think about what that
means. It's a disdain for history. It's a disdain for learning.
Everything boils down to whatever you can personally experience
and essentially nothing else. Another common thread is what
we'll call supreme self-confidence. And I might describe that as
having certainty without having knowledge. Having certainty without having
knowledge. Another that we keep seeing again
and again, especially by the globalists, is confidence in
the goodness and the perfectibility of man against all evidence. There's no evidence for us to
have that kind of self-confidence, but we keep thinking that if
we create just the right kind of society, man will be able
to reach his whatever, his state of perfection. Next is that our society and
our culture are characterized by experientialism and emotionalism. It's all about what I personally
experience. It's all about what I personally
feel. That means that we're all existential
and mystical in our understanding of things. That also means that
we're impulsive and we're hedonistic and, of course, we're selfish
because what's more natural than everything being all about me?
So it's what I want. It's what makes me feel good.
And perhaps the easiest way to summarize the culture that we
live in is that we are surrounded by those who are driven by nothing
more than the impulse of what they want right now. I can't
help thinking when I use or make that description of the movie
Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory back from the early seventies
and a character in that in that story called Veruca Salt, who
was the spoiled brat whose daddy was a rich industrialist. And
her attitude was, I want it all, daddy, and I want it right now. That's kind of the spirit of
our age. And if you don't give me what I want right now, what's
going to happen? I'm going to make you miserable.
So there is your choice. Give me what I want. or I'm going
to make you miserable. There's also a sense of immediacy
that we don't have the attitude or the belief that there's something
that we can sacrifice today in order to have more tomorrow.
And in fact, it's worse than that, I would say, because there's
a willingness even to steal from future generations. What do I
mean by that? What do you think happens when
we rack up debt in our generation that our generation will never
be able to pay? We're essentially shouldering
that debt on some future generation without any concern about, number
one, whether they want it or not. and number two, how they're
going to repay it. Our age is also anti-rational
and anti-intellectual. And I would say that that's happening
to such a degree that much of what, air quotes, passes for
education is becoming a liability. We may have already passed the
point where more education is a benefit to you. The next is that our age is characterized
by a divorce of personal responsibility. And if I'm not responsible for
anything myself, then that means you're responsible. That means,
like, my feelings. That means, for example, you
can't say anything that hurts my feelings because I can't control
my feelings. You're responsible for my feelings,
so don't tell me something that's going to upset me. You see how
that works out? and it becomes an absurdity. Next is excessive trust in government
and a paradoxical suspicion of authority. And the pattern seems to be that
our ignorance is making us less personally responsible and more
dependent on somebody else. The last one on my list is self-righteousness. And here I'm describing it as
trying to grasp virtue, man trying to grasp virtue in his fallenness,
which is a folly. So we see things like this, redefining
sin. We see excusing moral failure. We see demands for justice without
any standard for righteousness. We see a conflation of emotional
passion and fervor and activism And if you're really passionate
about something and you're really doing something about it, then
that passes for virtue, even if it's completely pointless.
And much of what goes on in the name of activism today is either
pointless or counterproductive. And then lastly, under self-righteousness,
that we are insecure, moral, busy bodies attempting to impose
our wickedness on everyone else while demanding tolerance. And
if you're trying to make sense out of the things that I'm listing
and you can't do that, good for you. That means you're still
thinking. What's scary about that is that in the absence of
persuasion, all you're left with is force and we're starting to
see more and more of that. Now how about some signs of collapse
within the church? The church doesn't get off easy
here. It's not just about saying, here's
what's wrong with society and thumping our Bibles because we
haven't been thumping our Bibles enough or else society wouldn't
be such a mess that it is today, unable to discern right from
wrong. Now some signs of collapse in
the church. I'll be quoting some statistics, and that's always
a little dangerous, especially when those statistics are based
on surveys, which surveys can prove basically whatever you
want to prove. But I think this is pretty accurate, and if you
have better numbers, please tell me. But it seems that up to 25
or 30% of those who were attending church in 2020 left and never
came back. Now let that sink in for a second
if that's even close. That in one year, a quarter of
those who were attending church left and never came back. That's
astounding by itself. It's not like, you know, two
percent or five percent. No, we're talking about a large,
a large percentage. So that's already a clue that
something, something significant has changed. It's my belief that
this is just the beginning of what's going to be a huge upheaval
in the church. It's been three years since we
endured the lockdowns. Things are still unsettled in
many places. We can't pretend as if things
have gone back to normal. I'm not sure there is a normal
or will be for some time. Now some bad signs for the church
itself. One is that the church doesn't
seem to have much moral authority to resist either the trends in
the culture or as the case may be to resist the state if the
state oversteps its authority in its efforts to close down
the church. So what we see as a result of that is the church
is being pushed further and further and further to the margins of
society where it has less and less influence and what's the
slogan that we like to use to justify that? separation of church
and state. And there's a wall of separation
between church and state. So, therefore, the church doesn't
get to have any say-so in the affairs of the state or of the
culture. And, of course, that's not what was intended by our
founders, and it's certainly not biblical. Another is demographic
disparities. And here I'm thinking of two
things. One is intergenerational. When you look at the breakdown
of surveys, for example, that ask people, do you still believe
there's such a thing as absolute truth? The ones who are most likely
to respond in the affirmative are the oldest generation, and
then it decreases with each generation down to the youngest. So that
the youngest generation has the least belief in absolute truth. The oldest generation has the
strongest belief in absolute truth. And if that carries through
as the younger generations age, what does that mean for us? That
as the oldest die off, then we are losing our confidence in
the existence of truth. So there's that kind of a demographic
disparity. The other is biological and that's
birth rates because everywhere in society and even around the
world, birth rates have been collapsing so rapidly. Now you know or you suspect you've
got a problem when the secular demographers start sounding the
alarm. This is not an alarm that's necessarily
coming from the church, but when you have secular demographers
who are saying, we're facing a population implosion. Now the narrative for generations
has been we have too many people, too many people, too many people.
And people have been saying, oh, we've got too many people
so let's not have any kids. So they stopped having kids and
now after about a hundred years, we're facing a huge population
decline in the next few decades. And some places like Japan are
already seeing their populations begin to decline. They've already
passed peak population and are starting to go down. And that's
a very hard trend to reverse because it takes generations
for us to reach that point. So even if total population continues
to grow, the problem is that we have our demographic pyramid
is turning upside down so that the largest part of the population
is in the oldest demographic. So that's affecting the church
as well. I think we're seeing and we will be seeing a shuffling
of the deck. That is a combination of winnowing
in the church, many people leaving the church, and many others who
are trying to figure out where to go in the storm. We have also
seen, or it seems to be the case, we see more and more sin in the
church and that includes a tolerance of sin within the congregation
and also, which is a little alarming, is a rising tide of ecclesiastical
authoritarianism. where those who are charged with
the offices of the church are starting to act like kings and
say, I'm an elder in this church and you will do what I tell you.
And that's not how God constitutes authority either in the church
or in the state. We see significantly shifting
views of the purpose and the practice of the church. We'll
be talking more about that in relation to our understanding
of evangelism and discipleship. But that especially affects worship
and discipleship. And it's also not surprising
that we're seeing more and more seminaries that are being lost
to liberalism. And there's kind of a catch-22
with that. The reason is because that academic institutions are
places where you go to ask questions. And so there's kind of a natural
skepticism that's built into academia, and that's a point
of entry for liberalism. So you end up with skepticism
that masquerades as scholarship in academic circles. The common
thread in all of this the abandonment of Scripture. And the only possible
result is chaos if we walk away from the standard of Scripture. Now I'd be remiss if I didn't
pick a little bit on the Reformed Church. I'm an equal opportunity
critic, or at least I like to think so. So let's talk about
some failures of the Reformed Church as we begin to wrap up
this session. It goes back to the Venn diagram
that we drew a little while ago. So if we start with all of our
circles lined up pretty nicely, we've got truth and we've got
good hermeneutics so our understanding of the Bible lines up with the
truth. And then we've got our confessional standards, and we
love the Westminster Confession in our church. That lines up
very nicely with truth and with scripture, so those circles are
lining up nicely. But then this last one, practice,
looks like it's starting to maybe break away a little bit. That's
where we start to get a little concerned. Now, it's ironic that we have
certain failures in the Reformed Church because of our Reformed
tradition. And this is the time of the year when we like to talk
about Reformation Day, October 31st, 1517. Martin Luther, 95
Theses, helps to launch the Protestant Reformation. And most of us,
certainly in America, are downstream of the Protestant Reformation,
even if we're not in the Presbyterian Church or in a Reformed Church.
So we have a rich heritage, and that rich heritage is grounded
in our commitment to the authority and the inerrancy of scripture,
but we really seem to be losing that. And one of the ways that
we do that is by what's called liberal skepticism, where we
start to question what the Bible means. We can say, and I've heard
it said this way, we know what the Bible says, we just don't
know what it means. Okay, well then what do we do
with it? And what's the point if we don't
know what it means? And if we can't understand what
it means, then probably it's going to mean whatever we want
it to mean, and that's convenient. Then we're right back to the
Garden of Eden. Ye shall be as gods. Another, and it's oftentimes
a creeping kind of thing, is doctrinal compromise. It was
one of Schaeffer's hobby horses to say that much of the failure
in the church is from years and years and years and years of
doctrinal compromise. Another that I would point to
is dead orthodoxy and that's when that circle of practice
starts to drift away from the other circles. We have a disconnect
then between our confession and our practice. Other things that
we see include traditionalism, and here's where we have to be
careful because as much as we like our confessions and as much
as we rely on those, we can't make those the center of the
church. That becomes traditionalism.
We always have to be careful as well that we don't start adding
things to that, which is legalism. And then the other thing, which
is not going to be fixed anytime soon, is a kind of sectarianism
in Reformed circles. I don't even know how many different
Reformed denominations we have, but I'm pretty sure there are
dozens of them. Even in the churches that are
committed to Scripture, we may often have a failure to preach
the whole counsel of God. Now, that's kind of a catchphrase,
and what that means is that over time, that we're preaching everything
that's in scripture. We're not skipping over things
we don't like or that maybe the congregation is not going to
like. We also can be guilty of our
failure to defend the authority of the church against the state
when the state comes knocking and says, we're closing this
place down. We should be willing to say,
you don't have any authority to do that. The other side of
that coin is authoritarianism. I've already mentioned that.
There are examples even currently in the PCA where we're seeing
illustrations of what authoritarianism can look like and it can be ugly. And we even end up with what
I call a de facto kind of congregationalism. because the Presbyterian system
is not maintaining the accountabilities that it's designed to maintain
within the churches. The last one I'll mention here,
so that you don't think I'm just going to go on, is that we need
to remember what it means to be reformed. And the way to remember
that is to change reformed to reforming. that the goal is to
be reforming and not just reformed as if it's something that is
over and done with. So there's a great deal for us
to be thinking about as we kick off this weekend. Lots of failures
within the church that carry over into society. And our goal in the end is to
restore our commitment to the principle of Sola Scriptura.
Scripture is the sole sufficient authority for faith and life
both for the church and for society. So we'll conclude here, take
a short break, and then we'll be back in about 10 minutes or
so for session two. So the idea of this session is
that we are living in a poverty of prosperity. I like paradoxical
kinds of titles. We have all kinds of material
prosperity in our age, we are starved of the Word of God and
that's a fitting passage for us to consider as we start this
session. Now I'd like to give you a couple
of illustrations of why we have to have standards. I know there
are a few Star Trek fans in here, whether of the older series or
the newer ones, But after watching a few episodes
of Star Trek, you're bound to be asking yourself this question.
Why are they flying all around the unknown universe with their
shields down? Because almost everybody they
bump into is trying to kill them. Why wouldn't it be kind of a
standard operating procedure in Starfleet that you always
put your shields up? and that whoever it is that you're
encountering these new life forms and new civilizations are going
to have to prove themselves to be at least somewhat trustworthy
before you lower your shields and let them start shooting at
you. Well, why is that a fitting analogy for the church? What represents the shields for
the church? The Bible is our shield and what's
it shielding us from? Partly. What is it that we were talking
about? What is coming at us all the time? Lies? Yes, that's certainly true. But
all kinds of stuff, lies are in there. We have all kinds of
ideas that are coming at us from all kinds of different places.
And the question is, how are we going to shield ourselves
against those ideas that may turn out to be hostile? As I look at the church, at the
current state of the church, it's hard for me not to think
of this analogy that the church is like the enterprise flying
around the culture and allowing itself to be attacked by just
about every idea that somebody comes up with. That we've left
all the doors and windows open, we haven't locked anything up,
that the ideas just come right through the door. So we don't
have any defenses against that. I'll give you another illustration
that begins to pick up on a theme from the book of Amos and it's
the illustration of building a house. And I thought about
bringing props for this but it would have been a little awkward
to do that so I'm just going to use my pencil to draw some
imaginary pictures and I trust that the picture that I draw
in your mind will be accurate enough. One of those is the picture
of a tape measure. Okay, you got that picture in
your mind? And here's another one, a T-square. And here's the third one. It's
a level. So if you want to build something,
you're going to want to have some basic tools. What do those
basic tools allow you to do? What does the tape measure allow
you to do? Measure length. What does the square allow you
to do? It allows you to measure angles. And what does the level
do for you? It's what's going to make sure
that your building is level with the earth so that it doesn't
lean or tip over. We need those kinds of tools
if we want to build straight and square. As somebody with
an engineering background, I can't help seeing the Bible through
a little bit of an engineering grid as I read it and it's fascinating
to think of things for example going back to Genesis where God
gives instructions to Noah to build an ark and this is an enormous
project and it probably took at least 80 years That's my best
guess on how long Noah and his sons took to build the ark, something
like 80 years. And imagine how difficult it
would have been over those 80 years building an ark if the
standard for what we call a cubit weren't well-determined, well-known. What if it had changed? What
if you build half the ark and then the length of a cubit suddenly
changes? Now you've got a problem. You need to have a standard if
you want to build something and you want it to be straight and
square and level. That idea is throughout scripture,
and scripture uses that analogy, that analogy of building, as
an illustration of what is true, where God's Word is that standard
that allows us to build straight and square. Now, the church is suffering
from what I would describe medically. I'm not a doctor, but I did stay
at a Holiday Inn Express. Well, in fact, I'm staying with
a doctor, so I'll use that as an excuse. The church is suffering
from an acute case of spiritual anemia, spiritual anemia from
chronic malnutrition. She is not getting any meat,
which means she's not getting any iron, which means that she
doesn't have any strength. and you cannot live your life
on pudding. The funny thing is, and some
of you may have had a similar experience, especially if you've
come to the Reformed tradition from somewhere else, that you
may not realize that where you were was starving you until you
bumped into a good meal somewhere. For me, that meal happened to
be a guy named John MacArthur, whose ministry I discovered back
around 2001. And I'm thinking, I don't hear
this in my church. This is something unusual. And
the church I was in at the time is that one right down the road
there at the corner, by the way. So we may have to have an experience
of being fed the Word of God, being fed as it were the red
meat of scripture before we even realize that we may have been
undernourished for many years. Now part of the problem with
an anemic church is that she's not prepared to fight a battle.
In fact, she's so sick that she can't even be raised to a state
of alarm if you yell at the top of your lungs. Now the Word of God is also described
as the bread of life. It's described as that bread
of life that we cannot live without. And it's incumbent upon both
pastors and teachers to be feeding their people so that they are
prepared for the spiritual battle that we face. If that's not happening
in the church, it's an egregious form of negligence that in fact
invites the judgment of God. And as you read through, especially
the prophets of the Old Testament, part of what you see is that
in the background, the prophets, those who are the, we'll call
them the professional prophets and priests, are not preaching
and teaching the Word of God. They are teaching out of their
own imagination. Prophets do not have the license to speak
their own words, and they especially do not have the license to speak
words of false comfort in times of judgment. Now, Scripture is
designed to give us a balanced diet. It contains everything,
as we see in our confession, that we need for faith and life,
that the whole will of God is revealed to us. in the Scripture. What does that mean on our part?
We need to read it, we need to study it, in our churches we
need to preach it, and in our lives we need to practice it.
Now in the opening session we talked a little bit about experiential
knowledge and I want to elaborate on that a little more in this
session. The problem is that we have become
like the pagans around us, that we can't tell our right hands
from our left hands. That is to say we can't tell
truth from error. We cannot tell right from wrong. In a word, we have lost our ability
to discern. Now morality That idea of right
and wrong, it's not an existential thing. It's not something that
you discover by experience. I remember some years ago having
an online debate with an intellectual. who was trying to argue that
morality is something that we discover with science, that we
try something and then we decide whether it's right or wrong and
that makes absolutely no sense. Science doesn't tell us what's
right or wrong. We have to bring our moral standard
to our science in order to say, here's what science can do for
us. Should we do it or should we
not do it? Or how should we do it? Those kinds of questions,
the moral aspect comes from someplace else. So morality is not existential
in that sense. It doesn't come from the test
of experience. And that means it doesn't come
from individual experience, your particular experience, and what
you decide is right or wrong. And it doesn't come from the
experience of all of us put together, what we think collectively. And
it leaves us with a lack of discernment. We have a spiritual and cultural
lack of discernment. Now we do have a bit of a circular
problem when it comes to Scripture because we need to assume something
before we can understand what Scripture says. So I'm not going
to get into the philosophical aspect of that, but what I will
say, and maybe we'll have time to talk a little more about this,
is that for us to understand Scripture, I'm convinced that
what we need is a good systematic theology. We need to understand
the basics of theology so that as we read Scripture, we can
understand how all of the pieces fit together. To use the analogy
of a puzzle, It's much harder to put a puzzle together if you
don't have the picture on the box top. So we want to see the
big picture, and that gives us a framework for understanding
the individual parts of it. If we don't have an external
standard, then we naturally are going to become experiential. In order to learn anything, we're
going to have to try it for ourselves. And again, that sounds like a
very American way of doing things. And then the question is, how
do we evaluate the results that we get? So we try something,
and then we say, well, was that good or bad? And the way that
we evaluate is on the basis of what results it produces for
us. In other words, it introduces what we call pragmatism. What
gives us the results that we're looking for? What gives us some
benefit? And so pragmatism is, again,
another rabbit trail, you might say. But pragmatism has become
woven into the fabric of how we think in our country. And
what that leads us to is a way of thinking of morality in terms
of what results is it going to produce rather than what is the
standard for what we choose without considering what results may
come from it. Completely different views of
ethics. What that means is that we end
up being relativistic even if we don't want to admit it. And
the proof, part of the proof of that is our willingness to
accommodate just about everything. If you see what's going on in
the church today, it should alarm you that whatever seems to be
drifting on the cultural breeze today is going to be in the church
tomorrow. And the church is going to try
to baptize it as some new, great new idea that we need to embrace
in order to be relevant. And we want to reach the culture.
and we're wrecking the church when we do that. We also have a tendency to wrongly
think that small accommodations are tolerable. In other words,
we don't realize when we're stepping off the mountaintop onto the
slippery slope. We think it's just a small thing,
it's not that big of a deal, it's just a small thing, but
then pretty soon we're sliding down the hill and we can't seem
to stop. We operate from a framework that
attempts to be open-minded and charitable. I think we often
attribute too much good faith to those who are getting us to
try these new things so that we can make room for the culture. I might point out just as a sort
of a footnote that the first small compromise that we find
in scripture in Genesis chapter 3 had the effect of wrecking
the entire universe. But otherwise compromise is not
such a bad thing. Now, if there's no fixed boundary,
then there's no boundary at all. In other words, if we're not
willing to say, this is the line between what's right and wrong,
and it's never to be violated even slightly, then it's not
really, it's just an illusion. It's like a line in the sand
that's going to move, and culture is going to help us move it. Now, Scripture is described in
the book of Amos as a plumb line. It's a plumb line. Listen to
what Amos 7 has to say in verses 7-9. Amos says, This is what
he showed me. Behold, the Lord was standing
beside a wall built with a plumb line in his hand. And the Lord
said to me, Amos, what do you see? And I said, A plumb line. Then the Lord said, Behold, I
am setting a plumb line in the midst of my people Israel. I
will never again pass by them." In other words, excuse their
sin. The high places of Isaac shall
be made desolate and the sanctuaries of Israel shall be laid waste
and I will rise against the house of Jeroboam with the sword. There are a couple of other references
to plumb line that I want to pick up. One is found in 2 Kings
21. where it says, I will stretch over Jerusalem the measuring
line of Samaria and a plumb line of the house of Ahab and I will
wipe Jerusalem as one wipes a dish. Wiping and turning it upside
down in Isaiah 28. where he says, I will make justice
the line and righteousness the plumb line. So we have that idea
repeatedly in scripture of a plumb line. And what is it? It's a
string with a weight on the end of it. And what purpose does
it serve when it comes to building? To ensure that, well, that what
you're building is in line with gravity. It's standing up straight. So we see that repeatedly. Scripture
helps to give us what we need there. So we know God's Word
has authority. The only question is what is
His Word and how do we interpret it? That becomes a tricky question,
of course. because we have many different
translations of Scripture and many different ideas about how
to interpret Scripture, but there are rules that allow us to interpret
it in an objective way. And it's important for us in
our day to understand the importance of the doctrine of the objectivity
of Scripture. And what we simply mean by that
is that scripture means what it means. That what God said,
that's what the scripture means. And that it has one meaning and
not many. Because in our day, what do we
do? We say, well I read this verse and this is what it means
to me and my friend read it and my friend says this is what it
means to him and everybody reads the same verse and everybody
comes up with a different meaning. That's not what it means for
scripture to be objective and that would not give you a straight
plumb line. Some more statistics for us to
think about. I was curious to know what people's
views are about scripture and how they use it and how they
read it. Now, again, I'm going to say
that any survey data that I'm quoting or referencing for you,
just be sure you've got some salt handy because these can
be somewhat uncertain numbers. So I'll paint with a broad brush
stroke here. First of all, about half of Americans
are in the category of what are called Bible users. Bible users. What's a Bible user? A Bible
user is probably not what you think. A Bible user is people
who read the Bible three or four times a year outside of church. That's not a lot of use, but
that's how we're defining what is a Bible user. So about half
are in the category of those who read the Bible outside of
church maybe a few times a year. Now it seems that Americans have
a fairly high regard for the Bible as the Word of God. About
half About, well, 70% regard the Bible as the Word of God.
You think that sounds like a pretty good number. About half regard
the Bible as inerrant. And that's where things start
to get a little tricky. Because what's the point of the Bible
as the Word of God if it's not inerrant? That means it's not
reliable. Again, in terms of reading statistics, about one-third
of Americans read the Bible at least once a week. That sounds
pretty good. About one-third never read the
Bible at all and only about one-tenth read the Bible on a daily basis. Very few have actually read the
Bible all the way through from start to finish. I don't think
it's surprising that we have a low view of scripture and that
correlates to a low engagement with the scripture. If we don't
think the Bible is the Word of God, then why would we read it
except out of just idle curiosity? Now some years ago, when I was
working down the road, I had a co-worker that I had a conversation
with one day at the office, and to set the stage This co-worker's
wife was serving as an assistant pastor at one of the mainline
churches here in Lufkin at that time. And this is what he said
to me, his belief about the Bible. He says, I believe it was inspired
by God, but that it was written by men who make mistakes. Hmm. And your first question
might be, what does that even mean? Where do you get that kind of
skepticism? And you might even suspect that this man had a certain
conflict of interest because what does the Bible explicitly
say about female pastors? No. So apparently that would
be one of those things that's in the category of the mistake
made by those who wrote the Bible. Now, would you be a little suspicious
if this female pastor says that her experience at Union Seminary
was a confirmation of her call to the ministry? And this is
a direct quote. In the years I have served in
ministry, I have always felt that this was exactly what I
was supposed to be doing. God has called me where I belong. you begin to suspect that somebody
has a higher view of her own feelings than she does of the
Word of God that she claims to be trained to teach. This is
the kind of experiential knowledge that I'm talking about and what's
the problem with experiential knowledge? It's irrefutable. You can't argue with someone's
feelings. If she says, I have felt that
this was what I was supposed to be doing, you can't argue
with that because feelings are essentially irrefutable. And
if feelings are irrefutable, then that means scripture is
negotiable. Now I want to give you a quote
from Christianity Today. It came out, not this year, but
in the spring. of last year and it talks a little
bit both about church attendance and about our views of scripture. So let me read this for you.
It says, the pandemic took a visible toll on church attendance. We
talked about that in the first session. Pew Research Center
found that nearly a third of regular churchgoers have not
returned to church buildings. Some choose to participate online,
but others have dropped out completely. And at the same time, there was
a sharp decline in Bible reading. Even people who do read the Bible
often haven't read very much of it, according to research
by Lifeway. Only one out of every five Americans
has read the whole Bible, while one out of four has never read
more than a few sentences. So according to that, no more
than about 20%, and I think it's talking about those who are in
the church, have actually read the whole Bible. Now, I'll admit
that it's a daunting task, but it's also a necessary task. And we'll be talking this weekend
about why it's necessary for everyone to read and study and
search the scripture for himself. we have a biblical duty as Christians
to do that. We're not off the hook. We can't
farm it up to the professionals like Mark and say, Mark does
that stuff. He does the heavy lifting. I
just go to church. No, because who's checking up
on Mark? Got to keep an eye on our pastors.
And part of the way that we do that is by testing what they're
teaching us. And if it's the case, if we have
biblical warrant for testing teachers, even someone like,
oh, for instance, the Apostle Paul, if even Paul gets to be
tested and those who test him according to the scriptures are
considered to be noble for having done so, then I think the rest
of us have a similar responsibility as well. Now there are a couple
of different views of scripture that I want to share with you
that are biblical examples. They come near the end of the
days of Judah, before Judah was carried into exile. The first
is King Josiah. And what happened during the
reign of King Josiah? At around 622 BC, as work was
being done on restoring the temple, something was found in the temple. What was it? It was a scroll. And that scroll was brought to
the attention of the king. and then it was read to the king
and what was the king's response? we're in trouble only a generation later his son
Jehoiakim when he is confronted by Jeremiah and literally given
scrolls of the Word of God those scrolls are read to him and what
does he do? He cuts them in pieces and throws
them into the fireplace, demonstrating total contempt for the Word of
God. What a contrast. Josiah hears the Word of God.
He hears the law of God. He responds with repentance and
faith. He recognizes his own sin when
the law is read to him. On the other hand, Jehoiakim,
when judgment is pronounced against him and the kingdom, responds
with defiance. Now what's the rest of that story
after those scrolls were burned in his fireplace? What does God
tell Jeremiah? Kind of an interesting footnote
to that story. It says, take another parchment,
write down everything I said before, and I'm going to add
many words to that. And then also we might notice
that those words that Jehoiakim burned in the fire, you're holding
in your hand today. They're still here. And even in your defiance, if
you went home and threw your Bible in the fire and burned
it up, what would that do to the Word of God? Nothing. Because where is the
Word of God first of all written? In heaven. It is eternal in the
heavens. So the Word of God endures forever. Men can do whatever they want
to with it. They can ignore it. They can defy it. They can tear
it up and throw it in the fireplace, and yet the Word of God abides
forever. And it's interesting to remember
that that same Word that Jehoiakim had such defiance for is the
same word that we have in our Bibles today that has been preserved
and handed down to us after all these years, about 2,600 years. Now which of those two scenarios,
this is a pop quiz, which of those two scenarios sounds more
like 21st century America to you? The first one where we hear
the Word of God and respond with faith and repentance or the second
one where we thumb our nose at the Word of God or much worse? And what does that say about
the state? Yeah, number two, what does that say about the
state of our country? I can't help echoing what Schaefer
said so many years ago that America is under judgment. And if you
want an explanation or to understand more clearly why things seem
to be getting so much worse so quickly just within the last
few years, I don't think there's any other explanation than it
is God letting go His hand of restraint against sin and basically
saying, you don't want me, then have at it. And what we are seeing
is simply an outworking of more and more of the sinful nature
of man. And that will be part of the
discussion that we have tomorrow. That the paradox of man is that
he has, at one and the same time, incomparable dignity, but also
unimaginable depravity. And yet we seem to be always
shocked at the kind of violence and inhumanity that comes from
man and we shouldn't because this is what man looks like on
the inside as a result of the fall. Now I've referenced several
passages from the Westminster Confession of Faith in this session. and I want to touch on those
to help us kind of complete the circle here. The first is found
in paragraph 1.4 and by the way the hymnals, both hymnals have
a copy of the Westminster Confession in the back if you would like
to refer to that. Westminster 1.4 says that the
authority of the Holy Scripture for which it ought to be believed
and obeyed, depends not upon the testimony of any man or church,
but wholly upon God who is the truth itself, the author thereof,
and therefore it is to be received because it is the word of God."
In other words, we hold the word of God in high
esteem because it's the word of God. Paragraph 1.6 says that the whole
counsel of God concerning all things necessary for His own
glory, man's salvation, faith in life, is either expressly
set down in Scripture or by good and necessary consequence may
be deduced from Scripture. And then this next clause is
very important for the time that we live in. Unto which nothing
at any time is to be added whether by new revelations of the spirit
or traditions of men." Now one of the things we will consider
is the question of what is revelation? Because many in the church and
not just in charismatic circles of the church believe that God
is still giving us new revelation today, that the voice of God
is still speaking. And if that's true, then Houston
we have a problem. because it's going to be very
difficult for us to know what to do with what we think are
these new revelations. Paragraph 1.9 gives us a rule
of interpretation. It says the infallible rule of
interpretation of scripture is the scripture itself and therefore
when there's a question about the true and full sense of any
scripture which is not manifold, but one, it must be searched
and known by other places that speak more clearly. And this
tells us a couple of things. It reminds us that scripture
has one meaning, even if we don't necessarily understand what it
is, we may have to dig to understand it, that there's a duty to search
the scripture and where it may not be as clear in one place,
it may be more clear in another place. And one of the best examples
I can think of, this principle, and in the Reformation tradition
we like to put Latin expressions on everything. The Latin expression
here is analogia scriptura, that we're comparing scripture to
scripture. Well, where would we find an
example in the Bible of someone comparing scripture to scripture
in order to get the full and proper meaning of a scripture? I'll let the clock tick for about
10 seconds. Tick, tock, tick, tock. It's
not fair. Mark already knows the answer
because we've talked about this. Look at Luke chapter 4. Starting in verse 5, after Jesus
answers the first temptation with scripture, man shall not
live by bread alone. In verse 5 it says, and the devil
took him up and showed him all the kingdoms of the world in
a moment of time. And he said to him, to you, I will give all
this authority and their glory for it has been delivered to
me and I give it to whom I will. If you then will worship me,
it will be all yours. And I'm in the wrong place. but
I'll just keep reading. It is written, You shall worship
the Lord your God and Him only shall you serve. Again the temptation
is being answered with Scripture properly interpreted. And He
took him to Jerusalem and set him on the pinnacle of the temple
and said to him, If you are the Son of God, throw yourself down
from here, for it is written, He will command His angels concerning
you to guard you, and on their hands they will bear you up,
lest you strike your foot against a stone." Quoting from Psalm
91, Satan knows Scripture. And Jesus answered him, it is
said, you shall not put the Lord your God to the test. In other
words, you can't simply take Psalm 91 and make it mean what
you want it to mean. We have to go by what it actually
means, and it is not giving us a license to tempt the Lord. There's a good example of exactly
that principle, and it shows us that we need
to know not just part of Scripture, we need to know all of it, because
all of it is necessary to have the proper objective interpretation. So that idea of objectivity is
a very, very important principle. The last part of the confession
that I'll share in this session is the 10th paragraph, where
it says, the supreme judge by which all controversies of religion
are to be determined and all decrees of councils opinions
of ancient writers, doctrines of men, and private spirits are
to be examined and in whose sentence we are to rest can be no other
but the Holy Spirit speaking in the Scripture." And that's
really the Reformation principle, sola scriptura. that Scripture
alone is the source of ultimate authority, that it is what we
use to judge all other matters of faith and life. And just like
if we were going to build a house, we probably wouldn't build a
very good house if we didn't have the right tools to get everything
straight. If we do not have the tool of
Scripture to help us evaluate everything around us, we are
probably going to be influenced by things in culture that we
don't even realize are influencing us. So, very important that we
have that foundation. We mustn't allow ourselves to
be guilty of that poverty of Scripture. I'll share with you a quote from
Robert Godfrey. He's a church historian and says
that the church must have a standard by which to judge all claims
to truth. The church must have a standard
of truth by which to reform and purify herself when divisions
arise. The practice of the Bereans is
praised in the Bible. they are called noble because
they evaluated everything on the basis of the written word
of God. And that has to be our guide
as well. So we'll conclude this session.
We have a closing song that we're going to sing in Reformation
tradition. We sing Martin Luther's hymn
to open our conference tonight and we'll conclude with Martin
Luther's tune set to what was called his Psalm, Psalm 46. So please turn to that.
Church and Culture, 1/4 fall conference
Series Fall Conference 2023
SESSION 1: Church and Culture: Adrift in the Storm of Confusion
Scripture: Gen 3:1
- "Connecting the dots"
- "Thesis" and major proofs
- Signs of social collapse
- Common threads across religion, culture, and politics
- Signs of collapse in the church
- Failures of the Reformed church
SESSION 2: The Poverty of Prosperity: Starved of the Word of God
Scripture: Amos 8:11-12
- The necessity of standards (illustrations)
- Spiritual anemia
- The problem of "experiential" knowledge
- Scripture as the "plumb line"
- Troubling statistics
- Two views of scripture: Jehoiakim and Josiah
| Sermon ID | 1029232343262800 |
| Duration | 1:30:12 |
| Date | |
| Category | Sunday Service |
| Language | English |
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