here in a little while in some peanut oil. But the question was, I guess current events. Benjamin Netanyahu the prime minister of Israel has stated that. Psalm 83 is being fulfilled in the events of today and so we'll read Psalm 83 and this this might just be more of a discussion than an answer. All right. So Psalm 83 It says, Keep not thou silence, O God, hold not thy peace, and be not still, O God. For lo, thine enemies make a tumult, and they that hate thee have lifted up the head. They have taken crafty counsel against thy people, and consulted against thy hidden ones. They have said come and let us cut them off from being a nation that the name of Israel may be no more remember in remembrance. I'm sorry I forgot. Did we decide we were going to have the younger class in here as well or or in class did we. But sure, they have questions. There you go. All right. That's fine with me. It's not with me. It's just junior church. They're definitely gonna want to go for junior church. So after sitting for an hour oil for a while in here and then another hour and then they have to sit here for the evening service afternoon service, you know, so, uh, we'll probably let him go. What's that? She's right here. She snuck in without you seeing her. All right, what verse were we on? I'm sorry, I stopped there. What's that? Four, all right. So they have said, Come and let us cut them off from being a nation, that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance. For they have consulted together with one consent, and they are confederate against thee. The tabernacles of Edom and the Ishmaelites of Moab and the Hagar Hager rings. Jebal and Ammon and Amalek the Philistines and with the inhabitants of Tyre. Sure also is joined with them. They have hope in the children of Lot. Selah. Do unto them as unto the Midianites, as to Sisera, as to Jabin at the brook of Kisan. which perished in Indore they became as done for the earth make their nobles like Oreb and like Zeb. Yea all their princes as Zeba and as Zelmona. who said let us take to ourselves the houses of God in possession. Oh my God make them like a wheel as a as the stubble before the wind as the fire burneth a wood and as the flame said if the mountains on fire so persecute them with thy tempest and make them afraid of thy storm fill their faces with shame that they may seek So the question was is this chapter being fulfilled in present events current events. I will say. Directly. With the names that are being used no however there are a lot of similarities it seems. With the things that are going on with what's being mentioned here. Some prophecies though are multiple fulfillment they're not. necessarily a final thing like Benjamin Netanyahu also said that Ezekiel 38 was fulfilled when when the Israelites came back came back to their homeland in 1948. Yeah. So. Believe that is that that's the past the passage on the dry bones. And in some ways I could see that as a fulfillment. But it's not a full what's that. Thirty seven. Yeah that's that's not a it's not a full thirty seven and thirty eight I believe is what he said but it's not a full fulfillment. At least the Ezekiel prophecy wasn't completely fulfilled because. they're actually going to come to life there when when the Messiah Jesus Christ returns they will it'll be as a nation being born in a day and that's another thing that people say well that happened in nineteen forty eight no that's not when it happened that's that was a shadow of a fulfillment but the full fulfillment will be when Christ comes and the kingdom is restored Well it's, you mean that's their intention? Yeah, so in this passage I would say that the key things to really dig into to determine whether or not this is what's going on now or if if part of this is what's going on now is to look at the nations that are mentioned here in in verses six seven six and seven basically maybe eight also but you have you have Edom mentioned man I've got to do some geography I've got a I've got a Bible Atlas back there I just went through all my books and But you have Edom mentioned you have the Ishmaelites mentioned a lot of people believe that the Ishmaelites are the people are the Arab people they're not they're not the the. The Ishmaelites are. Their children of Abraham. Oh I forgot to put that on silent thank you for sending a text though. So. Where did you get that? Alright. The Psalm 83 prophecy, timing, and relationship to Magog. Yeah. Some would argue, who's the writer? Oh, it says, by Bible prophecy as written ministries. Interesting. Very interesting. I wouldn't necessarily jump right on to that, but... That gives quite a bit of information there. Did you text it to him or email it to him? Send it to his email so he can look at it on his computer. All right. Did everybody get that across the world? That email address? Send Brother Holderman an email. Or Brother Holderman. Send Brother Wilhelm an email. You know, I get you guys confused because of your first names, but I call you both by your last name, but then I call you the wrong last name. I was calling... I was talking about... I was talking about... Yeah, I know they're both both of your Robert. Both of your Robert, yes, but. But I but I call you both by your last names, but the wrong one sometimes I don't know. I've known him for what, 50 years now and. I don't know. Well, it's really only been about 2025 years, but what? Yeah, I've known Brother Holderman for 25 years. what brother Wilhelm will tell you how long like with the day we met it was June what June 12, 2016. See what I mean? So, my immediate answer is I can't absolutely say that this is fulfillment of prophecy today. Is it possible that it is at least partial fulfillment of prophecy? Yes, I do believe that it's possible. But the people that are involved here, the interesting thing, you know, when you have these different countries that are mentioned now, the Philistines, that is those are those from Gaza there and Tyre and Sidon or Tyre. I believe if I do in my somebody go grab my it's a small green book. It's this wide and it's in the study or the topical. I think it's in a study area. It's called it's Bible Atlas. Should be probably left side. It's all labeled now. So my library is labeled. Got labels, Pastor G got some labels, so, yep, I've got labels on the bookshelves. On the bookshelves. Yeah. So, alright. So, I've got to give you, I've got to, I'm delaying so that I can use the atlas to look at where the nations are. Say again? Study. Bubbles fly, what's going on here? Listen, we. The what? And the timing? Timing. Oh, that's fine. You know where it goes back to though, right? Because I don't. What? It's a lost library book? Oh, yeah. Some of the nations listed in Psalm 83 are not named among the nations of Magog and Phaeacon and Ezekiel 38, 1 through 7. So, Ezekiel 38 is a correlation for Psalm 83 as far as people who are involved with the war that is going to be happening with Israel. I heard you trying to jump in. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. You said the prerequisite for Magog and Phaeacon is that Israel must be living securely as a Hebrew 38 nation, since Israel is not dwelling in security today because of Psalm 83. So it would have to be during the tribulation. Right. Those nations must be removed out of inferiority. Israel's security before our God can happen, just as Israel must be secure because Psalm 83, nations before our God, and just like the creation of Israel, So, um. Yeah we had I mean it would be during the tribulation now and this is what some people would argue to say well then we're in the tribulation but I would disagree because Israel is not a piece. Tribulation doesn't start until Israel's at peace now there are there are arguments that there are some OK tire is north it's. I believe part of part of Syria. No, not Syria, Lebanon. Yeah, it's part of Lebanon, yeah. Of course, Syria would be, and then, so, it'd be interesting to dig a little bit on that, but I believe that it would be a slight stretch, It'd be a slight stretch to say absolutely that it is direct fulfillment. There may be some aspects of it that is fulfillment, like the first few verses of people coming against Israel. But that's still not a direct fulfillment, it's just another example of it happening. They might. They might. And but some argue some also argue that the. All right. If anybody wants to look at this I'll keep it out for the day. Bible Atlas. It's got. It's got. It's a bit more it's got like different timelines different time frames. Actually here's a chronological timeline as well that gives you. B.C. and A.D. timeline with different things and places and stuff. table of nations and different things like that I think somebody I think Travis got this for me or something somebody so I got it for me early on so any other questions we're actually man we're actually over on time but yes sir Yeah, it does. Not in my office, man. We get stuff done in there, don't we? Like, it does go quick, but it's like, I look up at the clock, and I'm like, man, I've got ten more minutes. Where'd those come from? Maybe my clock's just slow. But, yes, sir? Okay, how about the trinity? You know, the three, three, one, two, the trinity. Also, it's a different sort of question. So how do you answer something like that with the idea of, when you say the Bible is Jesus himself, but it's not like special, as I look at it, it's like the Lord's Supper, it's a good church, because we're not eating Jesus' body. So we're holding God's Word, I understand His Word, so how do you, Okay And we're not So all right so let me let me be real. Like let me let me give you the answer first on the Bible. OK. So the physical book is not Jesus himself. It's not. The pages of this book, and the ink on the page, and the leather binding on the outside, it's not Jesus. Jesus is the Word of God. The Word that is in the physical book is Jesus, just like The Spirit of God is in you and in me at the same time. So, it's the same, and I don't want to say, because people get really touchy when you talk about the Bible and what the Bible is and who Jesus is and all of those kinds of things. People get real touchy on how you say everything. And so, on the one hand, I don't want to say that the words of the Scriptures contain Jesus Christ or whatever. I don't believe that's a correct statement. But the Word of God is Jesus Christ. The Bible is the Word of God. Alright? The Word of God is forever settled in heaven because He's always been there. Right. And when I say that I don't mean the physical book and the the physical ink on the page and the onion paper if that's what you have or the you all know that's onion paper or the or that or the actual thick wood paper stuff like what we've got in the gift Bibles and stuff the physical book isn't Jesus. But what the book is the word of God the. What you're getting out of the book right I'm not saying your application is Jesus it's it's the scripture itself. The physical copy that you have. is simply a physical representation of God communicating Himself to us. in the only way that we are able to receive that communication. It's the revelation of God. I got you. It's the revelation of God in word form, in print form. And so, when we say that, and I know sometimes I'll make a statement like that, that this is Jesus. I don't mean the book I'm holding in my hand. I mean the Word of God is Jesus. And the context of my statement of that, and that was offline, by the way, so now it's online. The context of my statement was that when you begin to change the words that you're printing on the page, you're changing God Himself. I'm not talking about the book. I'm talking about when if we have the Word of God. The. Print form of the Word of God and I'm not talking about this the physical text I'm talking about the the Word of God whether you're listening to it reading it whatever. when you begin to change how it's worded and change what's written physically, you're changing the person it's writing about. And the person that it is. Does that make sense? It's a little difficult to explain because we understand when we talk about the Word of God, we always only think of the book we hold in our hand. And I'm not saying that... So here are some incorrect statements. This book contains the Word of God. That's an incorrect statement. It is the Word of God. In print form. Is it another Jesus? Like the book? And the book that you're holding in your hand? No. No. Not the physical book. But the only physical encounter that you're going to have with Jesus in this life is right here. That's the only physical encounter you're going to have with Him in this life. You want to see Jesus, read the words on these pages. That's how you see Him. And that's the point that I was getting to. And when you begin to go back and say, well, this would be better translated as, or I think that we should change this, or I think that we should take this and toss it and get ourselves an NIV or another something else, There's a book written, and the title of that book is, Things That Are Different Are Not The Same. I agree with the statement of the title of that book. I haven't read the whole book, so I can't tell you that I agree completely with the book, because I don't know. But if it's not the same, it's not the same. And that was the context of my statement. Now in terms of the Trinity... What? Well, so here's the thing. People will minimize who Jesus is to be only the breath of God. And that's not accurate either. Here's the thing. The word spirit is the same word that we get for air that we use for air and breath. The breath of life. That's the spirit of God. But though we have these descriptors, the spirit of God is a person. He is God. He is the as we would say the third person of the Trinity. But he is he is a person that personally moves into you when you get saved seals you. With himself. Well God seals you with him. You're sealed with that Holy Spirit a promise that the father seals you with the spirit. The son. He is. He is God. He is the physical manifestation of God. But also. He always has been the word of God we take that from John chapter one right that in the beginning was the word and the word was with God the word was God right. All things were made by him without him was not anything made that was made now he's not just. What came out of God's mouth that creation. when God said this, let there be this and so on. I didn't say that He wasn't what came out of God's mouth. What I said was He's not just. He's not only what came out of God's mouth when He spoke the world into existence. I believe He is what came out of God's mouth when He spoke the world into existence, but not only that. because he existed before God spoke in Genesis 1. In fact, in order to genuinely believe a Trinitarian doctrine, you have to believe that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost have always been that none of them came into existence at any point. And so and that's the thing too that people argue well we haven't always had the Bible. And so how is it that Jesus can be eternal and be the book. And be the word because as as I believe it was David that said forever Oh Lord thy word is settled in heaven. He's always been. Now, we have not always had all of the scriptures, right? I read, oh wow, when I was going through, you know it's real hard to go through a library without looking through books. I was looking through books and I was looking at one, I can't even remember which one it was, but I was reading through, And some wild statements made. One of the statements was, why your King James Bible is better than the originals? And I was like, whoa, I need to read this. What are they trying to say here? Because I wanted to read on to see what their statement was. I think I might have seen it online or something as well. I'm like, what's their argument for this? Because I want to see why they would say something like this. And he said, well, the originals were only One copy. And so you couldn't read it if someone else was. that makes some of these arguments where I was like, well, I mean, I think they made the title or the statement to just get your attention to read the other stuff, you know, but so they said, you know, like, for example, if you want to read the book of Colossians, you would have to go to Colossi to read it, because that's the only place that the original book was when it was written. And it was that was it that there's a letter written to the Colossians and so you couldn't you if you know Christian on the planet could read the Bible. other than the person who had it in their hand. So you had to have copies made. And so, and then if you wanted to read it in your language, you had to have translations made. And I'll say this just, and I know maybe this is a rabbit trail, but I'm not gonna run it, I'll just say it. And that is that translation does not take away meaning. If it is a proper translation of the right text, it does not take away meaning. You don't need Greek and Hebrew to understand the Bible. Yeah, yeah, and his Latin, yeah. There was another Latin that was better, that was correct, we'll say it that way. But as far as that goes, yeah, you don't need to speak any of those languages to understand your English Bible. Erasmus? Erasmus brought a Greek, Erasmus was the first one to compile Greek, or the first one popular to compile Greek, the Greek. Yeah, so, well, when you compared the Greek with Jerome's Latin, you found that there were things missing in Jerome's Latin and there were lots of, lots of doctrinal errors that appeared to be purposely put in there. Some would argue that it appeared to be purposely put in there. Of course, we're talking hundreds of years ago on those, but there's, yeah, there's, and by the way, Jerome's, was an influence on the Codex. The Codex Vaticanus and so and that was the Greek the Greek copy at the Vatican. Brother you had your hand up. Yeah. Pastor G, did I answer your question, though? Did I? OK. Brother, we've got to wrap this up, but go ahead. English. They have King James Bibles there. I mean there are other languages there. But Brother Romeo. He preaches in English and Tagalog. Which is spelled like Tagalog Tagalog. But he preaches he'll preach in English and then he'll translate for himself like. while he's preaching. So like if you ever watch one of their services, which they live stream their services, if you ever watch one of their services, you'll hear him preach for a little bit in English, and then you'll hear him say something you don't understand for a little bit. And he's just saying the same thing in the other language. So, yeah. So, and there are multiple dialects of various different languages in the Philippines as well, not just Tagalog. There's, what was the other language, Cebuano? Yeah, it has a lot of Spanish influence because Spain colonized the Philippines at one point as well. He preaches at King James. That's King James English. Oh yeah, absolutely. I've got several books on the top left shelf in my office that's got a lot of that good stuff. Now I have other stuff that's study stuff that I put down lower that I could have put, I put it on another shelf. So I could have put like there's a class on manuscript evidence. It's a book about like that. And it's spiral bound. It is, I believe, I put it under the doctrine section. next to the next to the landmarks of Baptist doctrine books. So it's an interesting read but it's going to take you take you a bit of time because it's it's a slow read because you're talking about other languages and stuff and honestly I don't I don't think it's wise to start studying textual or Manuscript evidence if you don't have a foundational understanding of the manuscripts to begin with, you know. And it might be a good idea to be able to read some Greek and Hebrew and understand it before you start trying to look at manuscript evidence. Because all you get from manuscript evidence when you're studying it without knowing those things is what that person says. And you have to take their word for it because you can't verify it if you don't if you can't read Greek or Hebrew. So, that's the challenge there. I also have a, what? Oh yes, in a little while. I also have a book on New Testament Greek for beginners. I had several copies of it, I don't know what happened, but I only have one now. All right, well, we are going to pray and close Sunday school for a few minutes. I'm going to go baptize a turkey, and then we'll come back and we'll have our morning service. You can come watch if you want. He's going to stay under long enough to be fully cooked.