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FRONT PAGE  |  10/30/2020
TUESDAY, SEP 29, 2020  |  7 comments
Case of juror removed for receiving divine guidance gets new hearing
The 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals on Thursday agreed to hear a full court appeal of a case in which a juror was dismissed for stating he received divine guidance during trial deliberations.

Former Democratic Congresswoman Corrine Brown is asking for a retrial of her fraud case, arguing U.S. District Judge Timothy Corrigan wrongly removed a juror for telling other jurors he had prayed for guidance from the Holy Spirit and believed Brown was innocent.

Brown was convicted in May 2017 on 18 counts of conspiracy, mail and wire fraud and tax charges in a charity scam and sentenced to five years in prison. ...


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News Item9/29/2020 4:17 PM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
Frank wrote:
Bottom line is none of this would have happened had he kept his mouth shut.
Precisely, Frank. Imagine any juror saying, "I know he is innocent because the Lord Jesus Christ told me."

There are plenty of people on death row who said, "God told me to do it." And apparently in America, there are dozens of people claiming to be Jesus Christ himself.

What was this chap trying to do? Convince the other jurors by telling them the omniscient God told him the truth about the case?

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News Item9/29/2020 3:54 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Adriel wrote:
“”wrongly removed a juror for telling other jurors he had prayed for guidance from the Holy Spirit and believed Brown was innocent.“”
The statement was made in conversation with the other jurors.
Not as an official statement in court.
If all he had said was that he believed the person was innocent —
Then nothing would have been said.
This case is about freedom to pray.
The “divine guidance” part is a conclusion of the judge.
Whatever situation a Christian finds themselves in — Do they have the right to pray??
Apparently not in this court.
I see your point Adriel. Let me ask you if you would say the same thing if it was a Muslim? Remember this is a pluralistic country. How about a Mormon, etc. etc.

Bottom line is none of this would have happened had he kept his mouth shut. And no, I am not stifling religion or prayers. I gave my personal reasoning below. His prayer had nothing to do with evidence.

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News Item9/29/2020 3:02 PM
Adriel  Find all comments by Adriel
“”wrongly removed a juror for telling other jurors he had prayed for guidance from the Holy Spirit and believed Brown was innocent.“”

The statement was made in conversation with the other jurors.
Not as an official statement in court.

If all he had said was that he believed the person was innocent —
Then nothing would have been said.

This case is about freedom to pray.
The “divine guidance” part is a conclusion of the judge.

Whatever situation a Christian finds themselves in — Do they have the right to pray??

Apparently not in this court.

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News Item9/29/2020 12:43 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Frank wrote:
IMO, this juror should have been removed. I am not saying that someone can’t have divine guidance but a trial is about evidence.
A brave thing to say here. If all the man meant was that he asked the Lord for clarity of mind (contra noetic effect of sin), that's OK (although I wouldn't cast pearls before swine), but otherwise yes, the Bible itself declares the importance of evidence: the testimony of 2 or 3 witnesses (including forensic evidence) is the principle.

I hear many Christians say "The Lord told me..." Now if they are claiming God verbally spoke to them, they'd better be right, or else they violate the 3rd Commandment.

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News Item9/29/2020 10:51 AM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
IMO, this juror should have been removed. I am not saying that someone can’t have divine guidance but a trial is about evidence. And as we all know, finding someone guilty or innocent is more a matter of legal skills; not necessary the guilt or innocence of someone.

If we allowed this type of conclusion, what would we say if a judge did the same thing? What would we say if all the secular evidence led to a clear conclusion, but then someone reverts to this divine guidance?

A trial is about evidence and not divine guidance. If this juror truly heard from God, he should have kept it to himself. Why would he want to share that? It would serve no legal purpose.

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News Item9/29/2020 6:14 AM
Adriel  Find all comments by Adriel
“”The juror insisted he came to his conclusion based on the evidence, but the judge determined he had illegally "received guidance" from outside the trial and was relying on prayer to make his decision.“”

Apparently this judge believes that divine guidance did come to the juror.
BUT rejects divine guidance as “illegal” which is a very interesting position for US courts!!

Now is a juror allowed to pray during trials —- or not?

Does praying interfere with the process of law.?

Can we have some divine guidance on this —- Or must we trust only upon the judiciary for such guidance?

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News Item9/29/2020 3:28 AM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
Ha! What a larf!
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