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SATURDAY, SEP 19, 2020  |  50 comments
CDC Director Ripped Over Claim On Mask Effectiveness: ‘Does He Expect People To Believe That?’
Critics slammed Robert Redfield, who heads the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), after he testified that face masks may be more effective than a COVID-19 vaccine.

Redfield made the controversial statements while testifying in front of the Senate on Wednesday on the coronavirus pandemic.

“I might even go so far as to say that this face mask is more guaranteed to protect me against COVID than when I take a COVID vaccine, because the immunogenicity may be 70%. And if I don’t get an immune response, the vaccine is not going to protect me. This face mask will,” Redfield said. ...


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News Item9/20/2020 8:07 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Dave wrote:
Chris you're a theological idiot, your upset because you have yourself up with your beliefs in this comment thread.
Mike. Don't submit, but God told you to.
Armchair idiots.
Pompous worldly idiots.
The lot of you
Well I'm not sure you're really the Dave of Oz of old. I don't remember him taking the weak-kneed leftist liberal way out of a discussion, and doing the name-calling thing, but that's the way of things these days.

Whoever you are, God has established authority among the nations. In this one, the people are the authority, and those that you think are, aren't. Those are the employees of the government. Now if you wish to argue that God establishes governments as he pleases, you'll have to accept how he established this one. Or take it up with him.

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News Item9/20/2020 8:04 PM
Watcher  Find all comments by Watcher
Ladybug, I think you need to start acting like a Christian woman and stop telling men what to think and do. Your anger and bitterness is pouring forth as rivers of vitriol, it makes one sick. Meekness, tenderness and quietness are in order dear lady.
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News Item9/20/2020 6:49 PM
ladybug  Find all comments by ladybug
here are your words 'Watcher'-"People are parrots and sheep and will die before using their God-given common sense."
"This mentality that a healthy person doesn't need to wear a mask is ludicrous. It's like saying you can walk through a village in Africa that has been ravaged by Ebola without a mask because you're healthy. You can blow insulation into your attic without wearing a mask because you're healthy. Nurses don't need a mask to treat a flu patient as long as they're healthy."{even though NO ONE said that}
"Nonetheless, exercise your constitutional rights and freedoms and get sick. Infect those around you and watch them die. That is after all, your right."
"Well, I guess the lot of you are far more intelligent than I am, so I will be cautious and wear the mask, use hand sanitizer, wash down my groceries, etc,
I really think everyone here needs a huge lesson in humility and love. Everytime I come on this forum to express an opinion, I get roasted"
So, YOU lam-blast others who don't agree with your views on wearing a mask, we are 'parrots and sheep', idiots,and apparently not using our 'god given common sense',
u claim we should exercise our rights, infect others, and watch them die,then try and blame me?!? You 'roast' others, then aren't man enough to own up to it
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News Item9/20/2020 6:33 PM
Watcher  Find all comments by Watcher
Watchmanrem wrote:
I hope i am not included in this..
If other then it to them...
Hope you will stay and just say what you BELIEVE and leave to The Holy Spirit...
My problem is no one is willing to accept other opinions. I offer opinions based on my experience and research, and it goes over like a grave insult. Between the ranks here on SA, I feel like I have never belonged and once in a blue moon come back for some conversation and it always ends the same. LB was completely out of line with her assumptions and conclusions, putting words in my mouth and accusing me of accusing her of things I never even thought. There is a serious lack of love and patience on this forum and that stinks.

Absolutely right, Dave. Submission is too easy. Christians have rights don't you know? Instead of the Bible, stand on the ol' Constitution and see where that lands you all on Judgment Day. Idiots indeed!

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News Item9/20/2020 5:27 PM
ladybug  Find all comments by ladybug
It's sad to see 'professing Christians' rip others who don't agree with them concerning masks. Herbal Mama nailed it, wear your mask if you want, debate over.
Dave, I am really disappointed in you, calling any who disagree idiots of various stripes.
True unity with the true brethren is in Christ, and NOT whether you agree with masks and viruses. I have talked with brethren on fb who have differing views than me, but we all still love one another in Christ. This world is temporary, the true sheep are only passing through. I am not worried about their viruses and mask mandates, with good reason. The only reason to separate from any professing believer is if their gospel differs from that of the bible. This thread is a testimony to what some have placed their hope in.....But if you bite and devour one another, take heed, lest you might be consumed by one another. Galatians 5. Time to move away from this toxic garbage that, in the end, is meaningless
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News Item9/20/2020 5:14 PM
HerbalMama  Find all comments by HerbalMama
"Don't hide Jews. God told you to obey the government and Hitler says turn in the jews."

"Don't help slaves escape through the underground railroad. God says obey the government."

Y'all are abusing and manipulating submission to an ungodly government in order to sound more holy and righteous.

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News Item9/20/2020 5:11 PM
HerbalMama  Find all comments by HerbalMama
Simple solution: wear your mask if you want. Debate over.

Mike,

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News Item9/20/2020 4:08 PM
Watchmanrem | Australia  Find all comments by Watchmanrem
Watcher wrote:
Well, I guess the lot of you are far more intelligent than I am, so I will be cautious and wear the mask, use hand sanitizer, wash down my groceries, etc., and seeing as everyone here is so smart, go ahead and live as normal.
I really think everyone here needs a huge lesson in humility and love. Everytime I come on this forum to express an opinion, I get roasted. It's time I shook off the dust and moved on. Thank Ladybug for making me feel so much at home. Your gentleness and meekness will draw many to the cross.
I hope i am not included in this..
If other then it to them...
Hope you will stay and just say what you BELIEVE and leave to The Holy Spirit. Boy It seems no one agree with me at times dont mean that i am not a christian anymore nor they. We shall all be wrong about something else all our churches would be Presbyterian ☺.
Anyway. God said "He" would send them even christians strong delution to believe a lie virus THEORY is lie. No such thing as a virus its dead its what God does to a microbe in your TEMPLE of God your body. Take not the FIREY darts of the wicked one spiritual or physical vaccines rev 18.23 , rev 21.8 rev 9 gal 5.20 witchcraft pharmakeus drugs medicine. 😙
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News Item9/20/2020 12:22 PM
Ladybug  Find all comments by Ladybug
Well said Mike
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News Item9/20/2020 11:40 AM
MS  Find all comments by MS
Mike wrote:
Submission to, and adaptation to ungodly culture and its ungodly authorities has always led to loss. Becoming like the world, following the ideas and foolishness of fallen men is seen as wise and loving. It's ironic some Christians believe it is godly to do so, and ungodly not to. Because "this world is not my home," don't you know. Using this as a mental gymnastic, we can pretend we aren't living as the world lives, even while we fight to live as the world lives. Sad.
Jeremiah 17:9
The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
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News Item9/20/2020 10:39 AM
Watcher  Find all comments by Watcher
Dave wrote:
Exactly, social justice warriors, the it's not fair snow flakes of the Christian world.
Hatched for years,
I have read the bible, and yes that which God had decreed is hatched years ago.
At what point do you stop raging against the will of God?
Hooroo
Well said, my Australian brother. Thank you.
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News Item9/20/2020 7:23 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Submission to, and adaptation to ungodly culture and its ungodly authorities has always led to loss. Becoming like the world, following the ideas and foolishness of fallen men is seen as wise and loving. It's ironic some Christians believe it is godly to do so, and ungodly not to. Because "this world is not my home," don't you know. Using this as a mental gymnastic, we can pretend we aren't living as the world lives, even while we fight to live as the world lives. Sad.

Jeremiah 17:9
The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

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News Item9/20/2020 5:00 AM
Chrisgp from England | England  Find all comments by Chrisgp from England
Sorry, Dave from Oz, I have just seen a news item about your Premier, Daniel Andrews , (I assume from your previous entry that you live in Victoria, and obviously agree totally with his policies), that he is trying now to push through your local Parliament, that authorised indefinite detention, presumably without trial, and that any designated official, as well as the police, can arrest anyone, and authorise this indefinite detention. His night curfew has already been proclaimed unlawful, as it was not done under medical advice. This, Dave, is a Communist state. I assume, of course that in person church services are totally illegal there under this second lockdown, which by the way, was caused by the government’s own mishandling of the “hotel quarantine” system, so the Premier took it out on his own people. Your Federal Government has been absolutely spineless, and this unconstitutional behaviour had but been effectively challenged.
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News Item9/20/2020 3:30 AM
Dave | Oz  Find all comments by Dave
Exactly, social justice warriors, the it's not fair snow flakes of the Christian world.
Hatched for years,
I have read the bible, and yes that which God had decreed is hatched years ago.
At what point do you stop raging against the will of God?
Hooroo
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News Item9/20/2020 2:54 AM
Chrisgp from England | England  Find all comments by Chrisgp from England
I have been following the news reports from Australia, and the level of heartlessness and cruelty exhibited by the state Premiers there, particularly Daniel Andrews of Victoria and Annastasia Palaszczuk of Queensland have been terrible. I am so surprised dear Dave from Oz, and Watcher from the USA, that you have accepted without question the narrative of this globalist plot that was being hatched from many years, but finally proclaimed at a coronavirus conference in New York in October 2019, attended by many leading globalists, which is well documented. The pregnant woman who was arrested, the elderly ladies on benches, the leading doctors who have pleaded in vain for the disastrous lockdowns to end, and the Swedish epidemiologist who saved his country from this policy are not idiots, Dave. Nor are godly pastors like Dr John MacArthur and Dr Jack Trieber.
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News Item9/20/2020 2:45 AM
Dave | Oz  Find all comments by Dave
Ps, tissues are on their way.
There, there princess, it'll be ok, don't cry
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News Item9/20/2020 2:43 AM
Dave | Oz  Find all comments by Dave
Yes as I said paul did, again as noted.
Did I suggest he was wrong no on contrary.
I would hardly compare the social justice Christian talking warriors with any of the greats of past.
And yes the Apostles did submit to the authorities and the laws.
Sorry carry on with the important body of christ's work,
Complaining about your rights and your ungodly constitution.
Different bible obviously.
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News Item9/20/2020 2:31 AM
Chrisgp from England | England  Find all comments by Chrisgp from England
Yes, dear Watcher, if you wish to go outside or inside wearing a mask, that is your right, just as it is your right to wash your vegetables. You have a perfect right to believe the media and the narrative lies that you have been told by the globalists, the non-expert epidemiologist functionaries of the government, (when many much better qualified doctors have questioned this, and promptly been silenced by big tech and sacked by their employers), various presidents, prime ministers, governors, mayors and other authorities, and like most churches and pastors here in Britain, to meekly roll over and submit. No doubt, like Mr Lincoln, you will be first in line for the coming compulsory Bill Gates vaccine, with all its dodgy and morally objectionable contents. However, in 16th, 17th and 18th century Europe the true evangelicals did not meekly submit, nor did the Christians in pagan Rome. And by the way, Paul the apostle did appeal to the Roman constitution, as he was a Roman citizen, when he was beaten illegally by the magistrates of Philippi.Was he unspiritual? The Bible doesn’t seem to think so. If the churches yield to this supinely, they will be kept shut permanently, and the state will happily take that as a precedent.
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News Item9/20/2020 2:13 AM
Dave | Oz  Contact via emailFind all comments by Dave
I thought we forfeited any perceived rights upon quickening by the Holy Spirit.
The way I see it we deserve hell, that's my only right, that's the only thing I deserve.
Paul appealed his rights as a Roman citizen, but surely it's easily discerned that these were extraordinary circumstances to bring the gospel to the world.
How such a simple no brainer like waring a mask or not gathering groups could possibly be an issue.
There is only the odd idiot here in Victoria that argued the point and they're dealt with accordingly.
As far as being concerned with one's rights being eroded in the process do you know people of God's will for creation .
How far from understanding will the world fall?
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News Item9/19/2020 10:48 PM
Watcher  Find all comments by Watcher
HerbalMama wrote:
Jim, you mean like choke slamming a woman to the ground for having a medical condition that prevents her from wearing one? Or arresting a pregnant woman in her pajamas in front of her young children for planning a peaceful protest via her facebook?
Watcher, I can't apologize for others but I do hope you didn't take my comment as condescending. My experience has been quite different from yours and I definitely disagree with your mask beliefs but, like, you said, that's my constitutional right. Likewise, I grant you the grace to express and follow your constitutional rights.
Thank you for your grace, HM. My belief is that I am not under the constitution as a Christian, and I don't think we as the church should be using it to state our case. We are pilgrims in this world and have a home that is not of this earth. There's too much in the way of the church demanding its rights. This reminds me of the church of Laodecia in Revelations. "The church of my rights".
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