Pilgrim Fathers set sail from Plymouth 400 years ago
This was a freedom born out of tribulation.
In 16th century England, believers had experienced dire persecution at the hands of Queen Mary I. Nearly 300 Protestant men and women were burned at the stake during her rule. Many more fled to mainland Europe.
While Elizabeth Iās accession brought relief from violence, those who hoped for a thorough reformation of the Church of England grew increasingly frustrated. Proposals to reform the ceremonial Anglican services were routinely defeated. But rather than tolerate those who objected to religious trappings such as the wearing of vestments or kneeling at communion, Elizabeth enforced compliance. Then, in 1604, Archbishop of Canterbury Richard Bancroftās anti-dissenting measures saw many Puritan ministers expelled from the Church of England....
Jim Lincoln wrote: the Puritans were doomed to fail because they believed in....
The Puritans were 'doomed to fail', were they? And yet, Mr Lincoln, you quote, at length, the Puritan, Richard Baxter, in your post on an article on SermonAudio entitled, ''Thereās Less Than 1% Chance of Catching Covid-19 Flying''. It seems to me that a Puritan theologian can be called upon by you when he supports some point of yours but the whole movement's eschatological emphasis can be discarded by referring to another preacher's Dispensational views of eschatology when it suits you on that occasion. Is there a consistent and honourable explanation for using a Puritan's views to support your point whilst declaring Puritanism itself to be a failure?
You know what they say about hindsight , Neil, it's usually 20/20. the Puritans were doomed to fail because they believed in
(Should Christians try to force the kingdom on others?) š
https://tinyurl.com/y576t94t
In the following two sermons Dr. Rugh used a book by a Reformed theologian to compare Dispensational and Covenantal hermeneutics!
http://tinysa.com/236947 (The Covenants of Scripture, part 1)
http://tinysa.com/236949] (The Covenants of Scripture, part 2)
The following two PDF files especially the chart will be quite helpful in following the above sermons, Dispensationalists: https://tinyurl.com/zyt4v4m (Covenants and Dispensations Part I by Thomas Ice (PDF)) (Short) and https://tinyurl.com/glu7gk7 (Summary of Dispensations and Covenants (PDF))
(This chart is quite good š ) ā
Dr. Rugh, had two more sermons in the series, but I thought he did a quite adequate job of covering the topic, in the first two sermons.
Jim Lincoln wrote: excerpt from, " Exposing Hidden Anti-Semitism in the Church"
This mirrors the toxic, phony deduction used by Progressives: "If you dissent from my doctrines, you're a racist."
And that indirect quote is irrelevant; Jewish restoration wasn't denied by some of the Puritan commentators I'm aware of. Even Oliver Cromwell was sold on it.
Jim Lincoln wrote: They were certainly going to collapse
- pure hindsight
Sometimes your posts are so riddled with errors, it's like playing Whack-A-Mole identifying them all. Perhaps you like provoking people to get attention, which is a sin.
William Handschumacher wrote: "I think we do not attach sufficient importance to the restoration of the Jews. We do not think enough of it. But certainly, if there is anything promised in the Bible it is this. I imagine that you cannot read the Bible without seeing clearly that there is to be an actual restoration of the Children of Israel ...May that happy day soon come!" (Emphasis Added)
-- Charles Spurgeon (1834-1892) --
excerpt from, " Exposing Hidden Anti-Semitism in the Church"
https://tinyurl.com/gmxgbsm
Neil, I can guarantee you that Charles Spurgeon was not a Dispensationalist āš
The Puritans were proto-Dominionists,
https://tinyurl.com/yd2k9jdj (Dominionism -- A Summary)
They were certainly going to collapse, that's why there's hardly anything left of the Puritan types in Massachusetts. Of course the Dominionism was just one of the faulty ideas of Puritanism.
Jim Lincoln wrote: What's even more interesting, Neil, is how these two groups turned into Unitarians
Well that was over a century later! A lot can change in that time frame, e.g., Scofield Dispensationalism converting "conservative" American churches into a shrill Zionist lobby.
What's even more interesting, Neil, is how these two groups turned into Unitariansāš Well, really Puritan, since the Puritans absorbed the Pilgrim group.
https://tinyurl.com/jkhsosd (The Unitarian Controversy and Its Puritan Roots)
History Channel wrote: .... Sarah Crabtree, a historian at San Francisco State University, admits that she gets frustrated by the āslippageā between the Pilgrims and the Puritans.
āIt contributes to the myth that āthe first Thanksgivingā and āreligious freedomā are part and parcel of Americaās origin story,ā writes Crabtree in an email. āThe Puritans and their āCity on a Hillā explicitly rejected religious freedom and never attempted to adopt the Pilgrimsā initial, fleeting cooperation with American Indian peoples.ā...
excerpt from "Whatās the Difference Between Puritans and Pilgrims?"
Back when American schoolchildren were taught this with commendation, no one told me what the Mayflower people believed that was at variance with the English church. This letter from John Robinson clarifies a bit:
"Touching ye[the] Ecclesiasticall ministrie, &c. as in ye former, we agree in all things with the French reformed churches, according to their publick confession of faith; though some small differences be to be found in our practises, not at all in ye substance of the things, but only in some accidentall circumstances."
I see the fellow who ran Rapidnet, has carried out this thread of closing it down Too bad, he has some any good articles on it. However, this one from the BBC makes up for a couple of themāš
Nick Bryant wrote: ....
Modern-day politicians have appropriated some of the messianic language from the settler era. Ronald Reagan liked to talk of "the city on the hill", ventriloquising the language used by John Winthrop as he voyaged towards New England. But Winthrop was a Puritan rather than a Pilgrim, and set sail on board the Arbella rather than the Mayflower. It's a subtle but important difference. Unlike the Pilgrims, the Puritans, who arrived 10 years later, were not separatists. They had remained in the Church of England hoping to banish its Catholic ways from within. The Massachusetts Bay Colony that they founded to the north, the settlement that became Boston, was far more influential in the shaping of America than the Plymouth Plantation....
excerpt from, "Mayflower at 400: What we all get wrong about the Pilgrim Fathers"white
Nick Bryant wrote: Taken together, though, the legacy of the pilgrims and the puritans is foundational. The work ethic. The fact Americans don't take much annual holiday. Notions of self-reliance and attitudes towards government welfare. Laws that prohibit young adults from drinking in bars until the age of 21. A certain prudishness. The religiosity. Americans continue to expect their presidents to be men of faith....
excerpt from, "Mayflower at 400: What we all get wrong about the Pilgrim Fathers"
Many puritans stayed at home in England to fight the good fight there and build the Church. By the Grace of GOD.
Quote; "By the late 1630s, Puritans were in alliance with the growing commercial world, with the parliamentary opposition to the royal prerogative, and with the Scottish Presbyterians with whom they had much in common. Consequently, they became a major political force in England and came to power as a result of the First English Civil War (1642ā1646). Almost all Puritan clergy left the Church of England after the restoration of the monarchy in 1660 and the 1662 Uniformity Act. Many continued to practice their faith in nonconformist denominations, especially in Congregationalist and Presbyterian churches." (Wiki)
God be praised for HIS Church and HIS providence in these historic building blocks. Amen.
Like everyone else I can always use prayer. though there are people in more immediate needs like Mitch McConnell and Jerry Falwell Jr. and his wife! but of course, I'm sorry to say that the typical Republican- Trumpian are in urgent need of prayer ā š. as you can see from the following.
1 Corinthians 6 9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God.-- https://tinyurl.com/has81mk (NASB)
Wow jim Lincoln, I didnāt know you were so perfect, i guess that's what makes you so wise... in your own eyesš¤
(Sarcasm = attention getter)
Myself being born into the brokenness of sin & now delivered by the grace of Christ. After looking at your writings I suggest you take a unjaundiced view of yourself and take stock of your life, because You come off sadly bitter and contemptuous.
For you're permeated with sin (as we all were born into & earned on our own) and can only be cleansed and reborn by Christ Jesus salvation.
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