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SATURDAY, MAY 30, 2020  |  17 comments
Maryland County backs away from ban on communion
A Maryland county has reversed on an executive order that would have banned communion at religious services had it gone into effect.

County Executive Calvin Bell of Howard County, Maryland signed an executive order May 26, scheduled to go into effect Friday, that banned communion at religious services and related how religious institutions, barber shops and other retail establishments could begin reopening from the coronavirus pandemic shutdowns.

The county reversed these restrictions following a Wednesday report from the Catholic News Agency.

“Now that Governor Hogan announced a modified reopening of restaurants yesterday, Howard County is revisiting all food consumption restrictions,” Howard County Spokesperson Scott Peterson said in a statement provided to the Daily Caller News Foundation Thursday. “As we move closer to a full Phase 1 Reopening, we will be lifting food consumption ...


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News Item6/2/2020 11:31 AM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
Mike wrote:
Yes indeed, that sentence was kind of muddy, wasn't it, John? I'll try again. You said according to Mr Calvin, the elements change at the point of eating and drinking. I was wondering as to what do the elements change into? What do they become? And I might as well ask, aside from remembrance, is there then something else of substance added to the life of a believer? If so, wouldn't that be Jesus plus...?
Thanks Mike. I am finding it difficult to quote Calvin without the normal theological lingo which attends such. The best I can do is to refer you to this very short article which seeks to describe the main churches position on the communion.

http://christianityinview.com/eucharist.html

The Reformed/Presbyterian view is now the one that I espouse, having as one of its main tenets the real and living presence of Jesus Christ, as opposed to the Baptists and others who regard the communion as simply a remembrance with no presence of Jesus.

Thusly the Baptist version is more like a funeral, a reminder of death. The Reformed reminds of salvation through death, but adds the living Christ into the equation, which makes it a joyful celebratory meal.

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News Item6/2/2020 9:11 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
John UK wrote:
Bro Mike, I have to go shopping but I'll soon be back. Could you do something for me? Could you rephrase the question, please? Thanks.
Yes indeed, that sentence was kind of muddy, wasn't it, John? I'll try again. You said according to Mr Calvin, the elements change at the point of eating and drinking. I was wondering as to what do the elements change into? What do they become? And I might as well ask, aside from remembrance, is there then something else of substance added to the life of a believer? If so, wouldn't that be Jesus plus...?
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News Item6/2/2020 7:42 AM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
Mike wrote:
What do see that Calvin thought the elements change into?
Bro Mike, I have to go shopping but I'll soon be back. Could you do something for me? Could you rephrase the question, please? Thanks.
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News Item6/2/2020 7:02 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
John UK wrote:
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BTW to save time, I am not putting forth the Catholic expression of transubstantiation, but the John Calvin expression of Receptionism, where the elements change only at the point of eating and drinking, and then only through the faith of the receiver.
What do see that Calvin thought the elements change into?
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News Item6/1/2020 4:25 PM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
Mike wrote:
Colorful language was used more in those days, John. They didn't have special effects, just words to grab hold of the listener. We have to ask, what was Jesus doing at the very time he said this is my body? Was he holding his body in his hand, or bread? His blood, or wine? So when he said this do in remembrance of me, the taking of the bread and wine was to be a remembrance of what he was about to do for them, i.e. the death of his body, and the shedding of his blood. They were to incorporate him into themselves completely, and them into him, that they be one in him.
No doubt about it Mike. However there is more to this than the Baptists claim. At least I think so.

One thing is for sure, and that is, whatever he meant, we must eat his flesh and drink his blood or we have no life in us.

So how do you go about doing that bro? And does the Eucharist play any part in that process?

BTW to save time, I am not putting forth the Catholic expression of transubstantiation, but the John Calvin expression of Receptionism, where the elements change only at the point of eating and drinking, and then only through the faith of the receiver.

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News Item6/1/2020 4:11 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
John UK wrote:
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(53)  Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
which is changed to anything which avoids actually eating his flesh or drinking his blood.
You have to ask why Jesus did not put the Jews straight about their question, if he did not mean what he said.
Colorful language was used more in those days, John. They didn't have special effects, just words to grab hold of the listener. We have to ask, what was Jesus doing at the very time he said this is my body? Was he holding his body in his hand, or bread? His blood, or wine? So when he said this do in remembrance of me, the taking of the bread and wine was to be a remembrance of what he was about to do for them, i.e. the death of his body, and the shedding of his blood. They were to incorporate him into themselves completely, and them into him, that they be one in him.
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News Item6/1/2020 7:55 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Covid-19 puts a ban on Catholic services on some Romish services in Nebraska
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I get what you're saying, Jim, but Covid19 isn't putting the ban on anything. Control freaks are finding it useful as a political tool, though. Something not much talked about is that just being exposed to the coronavirus does not mean you'll even get Covid19, or if you do, that you'll have to be hospitalized, or if you are, that you'll have to receive intensive care. It's a long way to death's door from potential exposure.
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News Item6/1/2020 6:03 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Covid-19 puts a ban on Catholic services on some Romish services in Nebraska

"Lincoln churches cancel services after visiting priest tests positive for COVID-19"

https://tinyurl.com/y87s9nxl

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News Item5/31/2020 3:20 PM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
Mike wrote:
":this do in remembrance of me."
It sounds simple enough, Mike, until you realise that in order to hold this position you must needs do that which you are always complaining about Calvinists doing, namely, ignoring the simple and plain interpretation of the texts, in favour of adding extra words into the passage in order to make it mean what you want it to mean. For example:

Matthew 26:26 KJV
(26)  And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body.

which is changed to, Take, eat; this represents my body.

or...

John 6:52-53 KJV
(52)  The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?
(53)  Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.

which is changed to anything which avoids actually eating his flesh or drinking his blood.

You have to ask why Jesus did not put the Jews straight about their question, if he did not mean what he said.

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News Item5/31/2020 2:21 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
John UK wrote:
It is only just today that I discovered John Calvin taught Receptionism to Presbyterian and Reformed rather than the Memorialism found among the Baptists etc.
"The rule which the pious ought always to observe is, whenever they see the symbols instituted by the Lord, to think and feel surely persuaded that the truth of the thing signified is also present. For why does the Lord put the symbol of his body into your hands, but just to assure you that you truly partake of him? If this is true let us feel as much assured that the visible sign is given us in seal of an invisible gift as that his body itself is given to us." John Calvin
":this do in remembrance of me."
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News Item5/31/2020 1:10 PM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
It is only just today that I discovered John Calvin taught Receptionism to Presbyterian and Reformed rather than the Memorialism found among the Baptists etc.

"The rule which the pious ought always to observe is, whenever they see the symbols instituted by the Lord, to think and feel surely persuaded that the truth of the thing signified is also present. For why does the Lord put the symbol of his body into your hands, but just to assure you that you truly partake of him? If this is true let us feel as much assured that the visible sign is given us in seal of an invisible gift as that his body itself is given to us." John Calvin

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News Item5/31/2020 4:03 AM
John for JESUS | Atl  Find all comments by John for JESUS
I visited a Methodist church before where people stood in line and took turns sipping out of the same cup.
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News Item5/31/2020 3:31 AM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
John 6:51-59 KJV
(51)  I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
(52)  The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?
(53)  Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
(54)  Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
(55)  For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
(56)  He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.
(57)  As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.
(58)  This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.
(59)  These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum.

Matthew 26:26 KJV
(26)  And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body.

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News Item5/30/2020 4:35 PM
Chrisgp from England | England  Find all comments by Chrisgp from England
As far as I am concerned, though I am an evangelical Protestant, and a believer in the centrality of preaching, I also believe that the communion is central too, and ideally should be celebrated every week, not twice monthly, as in my church, monthly, or even as in the Psalm singing Reformed and Presbyterian churches, quarterly or four times a year.

No secular government has the right to tell a church how it may celebrate communion, or even whether it can, and that applies to baptisms too.

Whatever we may think of how inter churches celebrate the communion, we must stand firmly that the state has no right to interfere with us in communion, baptism, or singing. The USA or Britain is not China or North Korea!!

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News Item5/30/2020 4:01 PM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
I've heard tell that Maryland was so called on account of the prominence of Roman Catholicism there. But I don't know if there any truth in that.
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News Item5/30/2020 9:41 AM
Humble One | Humble, OK  Find all comments by Humble One
i wonder why catholic churches are allowed to be open when others are not. you might think the reverse is true, since at a catholic church taking communion is a central part of their service, while this does not happen in other churches at every service; sometimes, it is nothing more than singing, listening to a sermon, reciting some creeds/verses/responsive readings, and then saying hello after the service
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News Item5/30/2020 7:35 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Mike Gendron wrote:
....
Catholics are given no choice but to believe these inconceivable teachings. Is the Lord Jesus really physically present in the Eucharist? How Catholics answer this question has serious consequences. If they deny the presence of Jesus they are condemned by their church. Canon I of the Council of Trent states, "If anyone denies, that in the sacrament of the most Holy Eucharist, are contained truly, really and substantially the body and blood together with the soul and divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ, and consequently the whole Christ, but says that He is in it only as a sign, let him be anathema." Conversely, if they believe Jesus is present in the Eucharist they are committing the most serious sin of idolatry, showing their hatred toward God and breaking His second commandment (Deut. 5:8-9).

Based on these teachings Catholics are taught their redemption comes not from the perfect and finished sacrifice of Jesus Christ on Calvary’s cross but through the liturgy of the Eucharistic sacrifice....

excerpt from,"The Sacrifice of the Mass -- Blessing or Bondage?"

https://tinyurl.com/yb2n9sym

https://tinyurl.com/gmt84eo (Come out of the Catholic Church)❗👍🛐

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