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THURSDAY, MAY 28, 2020  |  49 comments
Christian rock frontman Jon Steingard says he “no longer believes in God”
In the post itself, Steingard reflected on his Christian upbringing and “having the word ‘Christian’ in front of most of the things in my life” before saying: “I am now finding that I no longer believe in God.”

The frontman later added: “I’m open to the idea that God is there. I’d prefer if he was. I suspect if he is there, he is very different than what I was taught.”


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News Item6/14/2020 12:16 PM
DeezLoader | Boston,Ma,USA.  Contact via emailFind all comments by DeezLoader
Keep Going Keep Going............
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News Item6/4/2020 3:30 PM
Adriel  Find all comments by Adriel
Keep trying.
maybe one day?

May GOD be with you.

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News Item6/4/2020 3:25 PM
Dr. Tim | Way Down Yonder  Find all comments by Dr. Tim
So, Ariel, does God preach the gospel, or did He command men to do it?
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News Item6/4/2020 3:04 PM
Adriel  Find all comments by Adriel
Dr. Tim wrote:
Does God preach the gospel,
.............
Tim;
Don't you know what this means.........

1Cor 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: NOT WITH WISDOM OF WORDS, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. 18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved IT IS THE POWER OF GOD."

Try not to exclude GOD from your "salvation by works."
OR if you want to - join the Papal antichrist and his human efforts.

Quote:-
"This truth needed no artificial dress; it shone out with the greatest majesty in its own light, and prevailed in the world by its divine authority, and the demonstration of the Spirit, without any human helps. The plain preaching of a crucified Jesus was more powerful than all the oratory and philosophy of the heathen world." (M.Henry)

1Cor 2:4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the SPIRIT and of POWER:
5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the POWER OF GOD."

=

Preaching as just the vocal utterance of human effort has NO affect on the hearts of the faithful, - or the unsaved.

*ALL* glory to God - Not some for Tim!!

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News Item6/4/2020 10:44 AM
Dr. Tim | Way Down Yonder  Find all comments by Dr. Tim
Does God preach the gospel, or did He command men to do it?
Does God print Bibles, tracts, and other gospel literature, or has He left that in the hands of men?
Does God repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ for me, or does He command me to do that?
When Paul preached and men got saved, did God save them, or did Paul? (This may surprise you, but the correct answer is “Yes!”)
Calvinism that sits on its thumbs waiting around for God to save people is not “the gospel.” Indeed, it is the very antithesis of the gospel. The first word of the Great Commission is not “Stay.” It is “Go.”
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News Item6/3/2020 2:57 PM
Adriel  Find all comments by Adriel
John UK wrote:
1. It is not doctrine I am concerned with but real facts in the world today, of which you seem totally oblivious.
2. If conversion to you means the creation of "feeble little sinners", I rather think you have lost the plot.
Now John;
1. The Bible is forever.
The Bible is for today.
The Bible is for tomorrow.

2. Remember - Humility - Humility - Humility.

@}= Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;"

1John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us."

Rom 8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities:"

Matt 26:41 ..... the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak."

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News Item6/2/2020 4:03 PM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
Adriel wrote:
...
So the feeble little sinner...
Adriel, you have been sold a pup.

Acts 17:6 KJV
(6)  And when they found them not, they drew Jason and certain brethren unto the rulers of the city, crying, These that have turned the world upside down are come hither also;

Ah, those were the days, when men of faith were men of faith, strong, powerful, indwelt by the Holy Ghost, doing wonders in the name of Jesus, turning the world upside down, seeing multitudes of conversions, with persecutions besides.

Adriel, have you backslidden so far as to not see these things in the Bible?

If you want to argue doctrine, find an Arminian to argue with. It is not doctrine I am concerned with but real facts in the world today, of which you seem totally oblivious.

If conversion to you means the creation of "feeble little sinners", I rather think you have lost the plot.

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News Item6/2/2020 3:59 PM
Adriel  Find all comments by Adriel
Like Mr Spurgeon said Calvinism IS the Gospel.

The point about reading the 'revelations' of previous times by various Christian writers is to learn from God's teachers. God did state that He will put teachers into the church.

The Calvinist reading these writers doesn't "obey" them but agrees with them and learns from their instruction and commentary's.

As for the Bible in comparison to any writings of man - The Bible was written by God - And that is a crucial difference which the Calvinist is very aware of.

Praise be to God.

1Cor 12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly *TEACHERS*, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues."

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News Item6/2/2020 3:21 PM
Unprofitable Servant | TN  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
Previous post should have stated and NOT to the doctrinal dissertations of men
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News Item6/2/2020 3:19 PM
Unprofitable Servant | TN  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
The gospel is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that believes. It’s not about Calvinism. The unregenerate don’t know about or care about TULIP. A tract ihas the Word of God included in it to show a person they’re a list condemned sinner in need of salvation by the grace of God through the work of Christ. The person sharing the tract is merely a seed sower or waterer. God alone can give the increase. Men and women were saved LONG before Calvinism ever entered the scene. Your loyalty needs to be to the Word of God and the doctrinal dissertations of men. Calvinism saves nobody. You talk about what God doesn’t need, guess what He doesn’t need Calvinism to bring His sheep into the fold. I’m not defending Arminianism, I am saying we should be concerned with what saith the Scriptures instead of elevating the doctrines and writings of men ( like the WCF) as its equal
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News Item6/2/2020 2:54 PM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
Adriel, why are you trying to convince a Calvinist of Calvinism? This is the great problem in Reformed circles these days, they won't get out and about with their message.

So much for their message.

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News Item6/2/2020 2:42 PM
Adriel  Find all comments by Adriel
John UK wrote:
Acts 1:8 KJV
(8)  But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you:
Luke 24:49 KJV
(49)  And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.

God is using Arminians to bring in his elect.

Hey John;
If the power comes from quote, "on high" it is not human power.

So the feeble little sinner can stand there on the High Street all day trying to convert the shoppers.....

BUT:
It remains a necessary phenomena that the grace must still come from Divine source, to convert and save the shopper before she/he goes into TESCO's.

Thus:
Even if I did it -
I didn't do it.
God and His grace always does it.
ALL glory to God alone.

Also John;
If as you suggest "God is using Arminians"
To bring in His Elect....

Why are the Arminians teaching that half the grace and power necessary to convert/save ---
MUST come from a human source. (Works)?

God is insufficient???

John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him:

45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God."

63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing:"

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News Item6/2/2020 5:16 AM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
Adriel wrote:
No John.
I want GOD to do the conversion of His Elect.
Not me.
I’m just a feeble little sinner.
Adriel, someone has been telling you porkies.

If you are a Christian you are in the royal family; you are a priest; sin no longer has dominion over you; Jesus has made you free; you live righteously.

As for being too feeble to witness, please observe:

Acts 1:8 KJV
(8)  But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

Luke 24:49 KJV
(49)  And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.

Now please note, Adriel. You are leaving it up to God to convert sinners. God is using Arminians to bring in his elect. The same Arminians are teaching the new converts. Therefore you are to blame that Arminianism is on the rise and Calvinism is biting the dust.

Have you never wondered why God told his people to wait for the promise before venturing out witnessing?

It's never too late to turn about.

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News Item6/2/2020 1:08 AM
Unprofitable Servant | TN  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
Ah without even entering what is meant by  "Calvinism is the gospel"  we need the proof that what is presented in Chick tracts is what Mr. Spurgeon would call Arminianism.  

We need proof that in order to be saved an unregenerate person must be told and also understand the so called doctrines of grace.

We must see a presentation of the gospel that uses the TULIP acrostic in the New Testament. There must be something close to it for Adriel to be correct.

We must see statements from those who are said to be arminian that they don't believe the Holy Spirit's work in an essential part of saving grace.  Maybe a quote where they think the sinner can pull himself up by his own boot straps and be saved.   Shouldn't be difficult to produce.  

We must see the New Testament passage where in preaching the gospel the lost are told about the importance of the doctrine of election and another that says in order for them to be saved they do absolutely nothing.

Its all has to be there, so I will just wait.

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News Item6/1/2020 5:40 PM
Adriel  Find all comments by Adriel
John UK wrote:
The point is, are you getting sinners converted? Are you making disciples? Do you have a world vision for the gospel?
No John.
I want GOD to do the conversion of His Elect.
Not me.
I’m just a feeble little sinner.

God uses means to save His servants.
When, who and how is up to God.
God doesn’t NEED anybody to covert, save or decide who goes to heaven. HE has already made that decision-Election.
Sovereign and Omnipotent.
Grace and faith are God’s instruments and are not within the power of mortals.
Praise be to God.

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News Item6/1/2020 4:16 PM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
Adriel wrote:
John;
I'm sure you've seen the above quote of CHS before too.
Adriel, you are no longer living in the real world but a religious world of yester-year.

There was a time when most people had religion of a sort, usually some form of Christianity. But it is no longer the same. Here in the UK and in Europe we are living in a secular society, and the people in general would not understand the points you are coming out with. Even myself, converted in 1979 out of the world, would not understand the theology you come out with, because I was not acquainted with it prior to conversion.

Maybe your life has been too church-based for too long, and you are not aware of how sinners are these days?

The point is, are you getting sinners converted? Are you making disciples? Do you have a world vision for the gospel? It is easy-peasy to grumble at others for the way they are doing things, but what are the neo-Calvinists doing? Is God using them to bring his elect into the kingdom?

The funniest thing is that God is using Chick Tracts to SAVE HIS ELECT!

Oh, deep joy!

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News Item6/1/2020 3:01 PM
Adriel  Find all comments by Adriel
"What the Arminian wants to do is to arouse man's activity: what we want to do is to kill it once for all---to show him that he is lost and ruined, and that his activities are not now at all equal to the work of conversion; that he must look upward. They seek to make the man stand up: we seek to bring him down, and make him feel that there he lies in the hand of God, and that his business is to submit himself to God, and cry aloud, 'Lord, save, or we perish.' We hold that man is never so near grace as when he begins to feel he can do nothing at all. When he says, 'I can pray, I can believe, I can do this, and I can do the other,' marks of self-sufficiency and arrogance are on his brow."
C. H. Spurgeon

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John;
I'm sure you've seen the above quote of CHS before too. But the salient point he makes, about works?, is total obedience to the Scripture doctrine and total conformity to the Word of God.

As to your point ref; the preaching by a 'misguided' preacher - Is he not misleading people and leaving them to their own sinful devices?
Also doesn't this defence serve the purposes of Roman Catholics, JW's and Liberals too?

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News Item6/1/2020 2:40 PM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
Adriel, no doubt theologians will argue the case for the doctrines of grace, and a mighty fine job they will make of it too.

However, an out-and-out sinner, of the sort we wish to see converted and in his right mind, will have no such background to work with. Rather they will be dependent on the working of the Holy Spirit, through the preaching of whatever stripe, in order to comprehend what they must do to be saved.

It will matter nothing if the Calvinist preacher says, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved," or if the Arminian preacher says, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved," the important thing is that the sinner is exhorted to "come to Christ" for forgiveness and salvation, and the Holy Spirit bears witness with his spirit that he ought to do that, thus showing that he is elect of God, even though at that time he has no knowledge concerning such a thing.

It really will not do to pat the Calvinist preacher on the head and say, "Nice job," unless he is witnessing to sinners and seeing conversions. Or do you think holding the truth is more important than seeing souls saved?

God sent his Son into the world to save sinners, not to build colleges of excellence in doctrine.

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News Item6/1/2020 2:22 PM
Adriel  Find all comments by Adriel
John:-
Charles Spurgeon preached, taught and believed .....

"And what is the heresy of Arminianism but the addition of something to the work of the Redeemer? Every heresy, if brought to the touchstone, will discover itself here. I have my own private opinion that there is no such thing as preaching Christ and Him crucified, unless we preach what nowadays is called Calvinism. It is a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else. I do not believe we can preach the gospel, if we do not preach justification by faith, without works; nor unless we preach the sovereignty of God in His dispensation of grace; nor unless we exalt the electing, unchangeable, eternal, immutable, conquering love of Jehovah; nor do I think we can preach the gospel, unless we base it upon the special and particular redemption of His elect and chosen people which Christ wrought out upon the cross; nor can I comprehend a gospel which lets saints fall away after they are called, and suffers the children of God to be burned in the fires of damnation after having once believed in Jesus. Such a gospel I abhor."
(A Defence of Calvinism)

"If any man ascribes anything of salvation, even the very least thing, to the free will of man, he knows nothing of grace" (CHS)

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News Item6/1/2020 6:28 AM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
One big mistake that many Calvinists make, is in imagining that God will refuse to save souls through anything that smacks of arminian theology. This is a grievous error, as will be shown on the day of judgment, when those converted through arminian tracts (Revelation 3:20 for example) or arminian preachers will outnumber those converted through a calvinistic tract or preacher.

I would estimate that Chick Tracts will account for the highest number of converts in heaven; and if any of the Reformed persuasion wish to see the stats change, they will need to start producing tracts that are read straight away instead of being stuffed in a pocket or handbag. They will also need to cease making tracts into theological treatises, simply because the majority of people alive today will need to start at the very beginning (milk only), and vast multitudes will need to be taught to read and write.

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