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FRONT PAGE  |  5/17/2021
WEDNESDAY, MAY 20, 2020  |  32 comments  |  1 commentary
CDC: Arkansas coronavirus outbreak linked to church services
35 of the 92 people (38%) who attended services at a rural Arkansas church March 6–11 tested positive for the coronavirus, ultimately killing three, according to a case study released Tuesday by the CDC.

Why it matters: Places of worship continue to be a problem for controlling the widespread transmission of the coronavirus, especially as some churches and local government officials push to loosen restrictions on religious gatherings.


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News Item5/22/2020 11:53 AM
Adriel  Find all comments by Adriel
"In my classes in the seminary, I raise questions like, “Is God in control of every single molecule in the universe?” When I raise that question, I say, “The answer to that question will not determine whether you are a Christian or a Moslem, a Calvinist or an Arminian, but it will determine whether you are a theist or an atheist.” Sometimes the students can’t see the connection. And I say to them, “Don’t you realize that if there is one molecule in this universe running around loose outside the scope or the sphere of God’s divine control and authority and power, then that single maverick molecule may be the grain of sand that changes the entire course of human history, that blocks God from keeping the promises he has made to his people?” It may be that one maverick molecule that will prevent Christ from the consummation of his kingdom. For if there is one maverick molecule, it would mean that God is not sovereign." (RCSproul)
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News Item5/22/2020 10:52 AM
Neil | Tuscon  Find all comments by Neil
Chrisgp from England wrote:
...After this all revolvers and pistols were seized from all citizens, though large manual rifles are still permitted with strict conditions.
In the States, black-powder weapons are often less regulated. Is that loophole in the UK too?
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News Item5/21/2020 6:13 PM
HerbalMama  Find all comments by HerbalMama
Chrisgp, it is very interesting to me how the artitude of the brits is so soft. My children and I are reading through Our Island Story, a history of Britan. The early Brits had a don't tread on me attitude. Very interesting.
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News Item5/21/2020 3:01 PM
Chrisgp from England | England  Find all comments by Chrisgp from England
Our British culture is very different, but until the 18th century, and in fact well into the 19th century people did carry arms. Officers actually had to purchase their commission in the army and then sold it when they left.That was abolished by the mid 19th century, in favour of normal paid armed services, as well as duelling, which was made illegal.

Bearing arms for things like personal protection at home, carried on of course, into the 20th century, though increasingly hedged about by regulation, and weapons for sporting purposes, hunting, etc was allowed under strict conditions.

In the late 20th century, we had two major shootouts, one in Hungerford in Berkshire, and later one by a corrupt and Masonic scoutmaster in a primary school in Dunblane in Scotland, (he had been allowed a gun licence by the local chief Constable, also a Mason). After this all revolvers and pistols were seized from all citizens, though large manual rifles are still permitted with strict conditions. Even our Olympic shooting teams must practice abroad!!

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News Item5/21/2020 4:20 AM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
Brian from Alabama wrote:
I conceal carry everywhere I go including church to protect me, my family,and anyone else innocent being attacked. The same people complaining about me carrying a gun saying I don’t trust God have house insurance, car insurance, and health insurance. Sounds a little hypocritical to me.
Brian, has someone in this thread said that you don't trust God? If not, I'm not sure why you posted what you did.

I'm right glad you wish to protect your family. What I want to know is, how are you protecting them against catching the coronavirus? Thank you.

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News Item5/20/2020 9:49 PM
Watchmanremo | Australia  Find all comments by Watchmanremo
Pastor Dave Davenport wrote:
The Arkansas church in question met before the Covid-19 virus was viewed widely as a problem. The 15 day effort happened 10 days LATER! The rehash of this old news is not relevant because everyone now knows its contagious, that the elderly are most at risk and that it can be fatal to a certain demographic.
Its re-publication is a scare tactic more than anything. Adults must be free to choose going to church or not. That choice takes into account that someone may come in who shouldn't have. In Ohio, the chance of death under 70 is .003%
Spot on just as we dont drive cars at 5 mph to save lives we drive knowing there is risks yet all our hairs are numbered.
It seen jim is right about our rights sadly.. its not looking good for anti vaxxers with bio chip independent news of supreme court ruling..

https://youtu.be/ivejYqnmJvg

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News Item5/20/2020 7:07 PM
Noname  Find all comments by Noname
Amen Brian!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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News Item5/20/2020 4:59 PM
Brian from Alabama  Find all comments by Brian from Alabama
I conceal carry everywhere I go including church to protect me, my family,and anyone else innocent being attacked. The same people complaining about me carrying a gun saying I don’t trust God have house insurance, car insurance, and health insurance. Sounds a little hypocritical to me.
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News Item5/20/2020 4:17 PM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
Arizona Native wrote:
I live in Arizona, up by the rim. The last church we attended the Pastor and most of the young men and oldsters were open carrying and proud of it. They are unincorporated IFB, and despise reformed and Protestant denominations.
We soon left.
Bro, if I found myself in an Independent Fundamentalist Baptist church, of the sort you describe, I would be very happy to get out of there alive, and able to tell the tale of how a Calvinist slipped through their fingers, despite me being unarmed.
_________________

St James, thank you for the Luther quote, most helpful bro.

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News Item5/20/2020 3:32 PM
Arizona Native  Find all comments by Arizona Native
I live in Arizona, up by the rim.The last church we attended the Pastor and most of the young men and oldsters were open carrying and proud of it. They are unincorporated IFB, and despise reformed and Protestant denominations.
We soon left.
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News Item5/20/2020 3:05 PM
James Thomas | Fla  Find all comments by James Thomas
Nearly 500 years ago, in 1527, as the plague was sweeping through much of Europe, Martin Luther commented about taking appropriate precautions during a pandemic...

Luther said:
"I shall avoid places and persons where my presence is not needed in order not to become contaminated and thus perchance inflict and pollute others and so cause their death as a result of my negligence."

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News Item5/20/2020 2:50 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
John UK wrote:
I would be rather hesitant to attend an American church nowadays, especially since the congregations are making sure they have an armed posse...
Despite living in AZ, notorious for its historical frontier violence (OK Corral was a national scandal), I don't know of any prayin' pastors packin' pistols at church yet, even the ones whom I know have firearms.

Fun fact: The English Bill of Rights expressly allows Protestants to carry arms. It probably inspired our 2nd Amendment. But since I learned here that many Fundies refuse to be labeled "Protestant," it logically follows that they cannot bear arms, at least in England.☺

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News Item5/20/2020 2:44 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
John of UK, you just don't believe in the American West/Way❗🔫

Now in my part of the country, prescribed burning
https://tinyurl.com/y9okzjps
Is considered even a good thing, just like going to church and hearing a good sermon.

But a reckless farmer who doesn't control his fire just is like a pastor who doesn't take in consideration the well-being of his flock, will get/or should get into trouble❗👍

So a farmer who causes damage to other people's property because of reckless burning, no doubt will suffer from some legal punishment.

Too bad it isn't the same for some of these pastors who don't protect people during an epidemic.☣️

People who start fires and don't control them, is not much better than an arsonist and should be punished.🗣️🔥

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News Item5/20/2020 2:31 PM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
I would be rather hesitant to attend an American church nowadays, especially since the congregations are making sure they have an armed posse throughout the building ready to shoot down any intruder who entered with evil intent. Hardly an atmosphere in which to worship God and count him as the Great Protector, the sovereign Lord, the Prince of Peace.

Of course the coronavirus can enter unseen and unheard, and cannot be shot down with a 45 or even an AK47. So other measures are taken to protect the congregation. Or are we saying that the one is okay and the other isn't?

Has Individualism taken over?

Or do the words of Jesus still have some clout in the land?

Apostasy is like the coronavirus; it spreads everywhere, very quickly and with deadly results. Coming to a church near you, any time soon. Who is there left to salvage the church?

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News Item5/20/2020 2:15 PM
Pastor Dave Davenport | Ontario, Ohio  Protected NameFind all comments by Pastor Dave Davenport
Neil wrote:
Maybe so, but that doesn't excuse not taking reasonable precautions to protect these folks, as I *hope* that church did. The Ten Commandments not only say we should love God and worship Him, they also say we should love our neighbor and show concern for the weak. Therefore, those Churches that insist on meeting during this time should at least be careful for the health of their most vulnerable attenders. I wonder at times how many Christians in this country care about each other enough to do that, so deeply rooted is Individualism, aka "My way or the highway."
1 John 3:14: "We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death."
The Arkansas church in question met before the Covid-19 virus was viewed widely as a problem. The 15 day effort happened 10 days LATER! The rehash of this old news is not relevant because everyone now knows its contagious, that the elderly are most at risk and that it can be fatal to a certain demographic.
Its re-publication is a scare tactic more than anything. Adults must be free to choose going to church or not. That choice takes into account that someone may come in who shouldn't have. In Ohio, the chance of death under 70 is .003%
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News Item5/20/2020 12:54 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Pastor Dave Davenport wrote:
Articles like this also do not typically mention that the 3 who died were "over 65" ... and does not mention any underlying health issues they may have had.
Maybe so, but that doesn't excuse not taking reasonable precautions to protect these folks, as I *hope* that church did. The Ten Commandments not only say we should love God and worship Him, they also say we should love our neighbor and show concern for the weak. Therefore, those Churches that insist on meeting during this time should at least be careful for the health of their most vulnerable attenders. I wonder at times how many Christians in this country care about each other enough to do that, so deeply rooted is Individualism, aka "My way or the highway."

1 John 3:14: "We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death."

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News Item5/20/2020 12:52 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
Jim Lincoln wrote:
"A core duty and primary function of any government is protection of the public’s health and safety........ and implementing and enforcing control measures, such as vaccination, chemoprophylaxis, quarantine, or even seizure or destruction of private property"---ÇDC
https://tinyurl.com/yaqszwzs
So the CDC toots their horn touting their unlimited powers to violate the constitutional rights of the people and you gleefully swallow it up. You are willing to give up freedom for "health and safety" as defined by the CDC, of course. I suppose you have already emailed your representatives encouraging full support of HR 6666 which was crafted pursuant to this garbage you linked to.
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News Item5/20/2020 12:32 PM
Pastor Dave Davenport | Ontario, Ohio  Protected NameFind all comments by Pastor Dave Davenport
This case is being re-published to frighten pastors into not opening their churches. A review of the facts indicates that this happened before the "15-days to flatten the curve" when no one knew what they were dealing with in covid-19. Now adults know and are equipped to make their own decisions accordingly.

Articles like this also do not typically mention that the 3 who died were "over 65" (a number which is also cryptic and unhelpful because these could easily have been over 80[!])and does not mention any underlying health issues they may have had.

This is not new info. Take heed lest you also be deceived, Pastor.

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