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FRONT PAGE  |  6/2/2020
THURSDAY, APR 9, 2020  |  66 comments
Coronavirus is making people more open to the Gospel
During an online Easter conference hosted by Rick Warren on Facebook, Gumbel spoke of the opportunities for the Gospel he's seeing in the midst of the crisis.

"I've never known a time in my life when people are more open [to the Gospel] than they are now," he said.

"There are no other distractions. There's not football, there's no sport. There's no entertainment and people have time to hear the Gospel."

He went on to call on the Church to ensure it does not let these opportunities pass by. ...


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News Item4/17/2020 2:43 AM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
Nick wrote:
Thank you for sharing your testimony, and for being civil throughout the conversation, even in disagreement.
Nick, we know that we have passed from death to life, because we love the brethren.
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News Item4/16/2020 8:02 PM
Nick | USA  Find all comments by Nick
Thank you for sharing your testimony, and for being civil throughout the conversation, even in disagreement.
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News Item4/16/2020 2:11 PM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
Nick wrote:
I'll end with this John. I shouldn't really take any more time on this. I've really appreciated the discussion. You have to come to the Bible with an open mind and be careful not to allow theological presuppositions to affect the way you interpret it. Just take it at face value. I'm serious about this. I appreciate you John. Thanks.
Hi Nick,

You correctly say that theological presuppositions can affect the way we interpret scripture.

In my case, being saved right out of the world, not from a religious background, the only theological presuppositions I had through my conversion were the Arminian doctrines I heard from three different gospel preachers, by whom I was soundly converted.

But having been converted and very hungry for the word of God, I read vast chunks of the Bible every day until I finished the whole book. Then I started again at the beginning and read it again.

My theological presuppositions were dealt with by the Spirit, and all traces of Arminianism were removed from my mind by the word of God, which word taught me the Doctrines of Free and Sovereign Grace, for which I praise the Lord!

Thanks for the convo, Nick.

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News Item4/16/2020 1:20 PM
Nick | USA  Find all comments by Nick
I'll end with this John. I shouldn't really take any more time on this. I've really appreciated the discussion. You have to come to the Bible with an open mind and be careful not to allow theological presuppositions to affect the way you interpret it. Just take it at face value. I'm serious about this. I appreciate you John. Thanks.
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News Item4/16/2020 1:12 PM
Nick | USA  Find all comments by Nick
You're not being honest with the text. Ephesians 2:5-7 say "Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved) And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus." You have to look at the complete sentence. Are you saying that all those things happen before faith? The grammar indicates that all those things are simultaneous, not sequential.
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News Item4/16/2020 1:02 PM
Nick | USA  Find all comments by Nick
Where in Scripture does it say that God's rivives spiritual dead sinners to spiritual life before they put their faith in Christ? It's just not there in Ephesians 2:1.
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News Item4/16/2020 1:00 PM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
Nick wrote:
John, where in Scripture does it say that mankind's spiritual deadness limits God's ability to convict them?
Nick, you ever tried preaching to a corpse?

We're still not really defining the meaning of "dead in trespasses and sins".

Dead means lack of life, or the absence of life. God must bring life before he can do anything else. Now please don't forget that God is only going to do this for the elect.

Ephesians 2:4-5 KJV
(4)  But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
(5)  Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved).

God has a great love for his elect. Even when they are dead in sins, he quickens them at some point in their life. This is the very first thing that happens to them spiritually; they are quickened. Not saved yet, but quickened. And God does this, not to "give them a chance at salvation" but as part of his saving act in their life. God raises the dead, so that they will respond to his great love and grace, shown to them, and which wins them.

Lazarus, four days dead and entombed, pictures this salvation perfectly.

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News Item4/16/2020 12:49 PM
Nick | USA  Find all comments by Nick
John, where in Scripture does it say that mankind's spiritual deadness limits God's ability to convict them?
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News Item4/16/2020 10:51 AM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
Nick wrote:
Correction John:
John 16:8 says, "And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment." Jesus said the Holy Spirit would reprove the world.
Hi Nick, let us look at this.

John 16:8-10 KJV
(8)  And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
(9)  Of sin, because they believe not on me;
(10)  Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;

Now what exactly does the Holy Spirit do when he reproves the world? And when does he do this? And to whom? Have you met anyone who says that they have been reproved by the Holy Spirit? The text says that the Holy Spirit reproves of sin, because men do not believe in Christ, and it is a sin to not believe on Christ.

If we agree that a sinner is spiritually dead, how can he be reproved by a Spirit, the Holy Spirit? That would mean he is no longer spiritually dead. Which is precisely what I say. If you check carefully Ephesians 2:1 it says that God makes alive (quickens) those who are spiritually dead. So God acts first, then can come conviction of sin and enlightenment and belief in Christ and salvation.

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News Item4/16/2020 10:43 AM
Nick | USA  Find all comments by Nick
One more thing John. Are you aware of anywhere in the Bible where it says that mankind's spiritual deadness limits God's ability to convict them?
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News Item4/16/2020 10:37 AM
Nick | USA  Contact via emailFind all comments by Nick
Correction John:
John 16:8 says, "And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment." Jesus said the Holy Spirit would reprove the world. John 12:32 says, "And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me." Jesus said that he would draw all men. Those are not my words. That's what Jesus said.
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News Item4/16/2020 7:46 AM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
Nick wrote:
John, verse 2 and 3 gives at least part of the answer; at least what it looks like. The deadness that every unbeliever is under is a state of spiritual deadness. Under this condition, the unbeliever "receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned" (1 Corinthians 2:14). That is why God must convict them (John 16:8) and draw them (John 6:44, John 12:32).
Nick, to continue....

All was going so well in this part of your statement, but I am going to make a guess now, as to what you are actually saying.

We agree that all men are dead in sins and incapable of spiritual thought or action, they are spiritually dead. But are you now saying that all men are "convicted" of their sins; and that God "draws" them?

How can this be? One minute they are spiritually dead, but now they are capable of being convicted of sin and drawn to Jesus Christ.

What happened?

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News Item4/15/2020 5:15 PM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
Nick wrote:
John, verse 2 and 3 gives at least part of the answer; at least what it looks like. The deadness that every unbeliever is under is a state of spiritual deadness. Under this condition, the unbeliever "receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned" (1 Corinthians 2:14). That is why God must convict them (John 16:8) and draw them (John 6:44, John 12:32). Once this happens, the individual must choose whether or not they will repent and believe. That is where the individual's will comes in. Christ commanded it (Mark 1:15), and the individual must make the choice to obey that command (2 Thessalonians 1:8, 1 Peter 4:17). The moment the individual puts his faith in Christ, he is quickened (Ephesians 2:1; Colossians 2:14; 1 Peter 3:18), regenerated ( Titus 3:5).
Hi Nick, and thanks for your answer, even though it a bog standard Arminian statement.

1 Corinthians 2:14 KJV
(14)  But the *natural man* receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

It is the *nature* of the unbeliever that is his problem.

Tomorrow....

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News Item4/15/2020 2:13 PM
Nick | USA  Find all comments by Nick
John, verse 2 and 3 gives at least part of the answer; at least what it looks like. The deadness that every unbeliever is under is a state of spiritual deadness. Under this condition, the unbeliever "receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned" (1 Corinthians 2:14). That is why God must convict them (John 16:8) and draw them (John 6:44, John 12:32). Once this happens, the individual must choose whether or not they will repent and believe. That is where the individual's will comes in. Christ commanded it (Mark 1:15), and the individual must make the choice to obey that command (2 Thessalonians 1:8, 1 Peter 4:17). The moment the individual puts his faith in Christ, he is quickened (Ephesians 2:1; Colossians 2:14; 1 Peter 3:18), regenerated ( Titus 3:5).
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News Item4/15/2020 1:42 PM
Nick | USA  Find all comments by Nick
John from UK wrote:
What effect on a sinner does it have, to be dead in trespasses and sins. (Ephesians 2:1, 5.)
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News Item4/14/2020 2:36 AM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
NeedHim wrote:
Thank goodness that God doesn’t give us fairness of what we all are deserving of. Apart from Him removing ones spiritual heart of stone away, as grace humbles ones & n’t meant to puff one up amen.

Spurgeon; I don’t believe that we can preach the gospel if we don’t preach justification by faith, without works. Nor unless we preach the sovereignty of God in the dispensation of grace. Nor unless we exalt the electing, unchangeable, eternal, immutable, conquering love of Jehovah. Nor do I think we can preach the gospel, unless we base it upon the particular redemption which Christ made for His elect & chosen people. Nor can I comprehend a gospel which lets saints fall away after they are called.

NeedHim, I dread to think of what would happen if God was to give me my just deserts.

Romans 3:26 KJV
(26)  To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

Thankfully, the Lord Jesus took my just deserts, and paid for them at the cross, and God declared me just when I believed in the Lord Jesus. So God's justice is satisfied, and sinners like me are declared righteous by faith alone in Christ alone.

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News Item4/13/2020 9:42 PM
NeedHim  Find all comments by NeedHim
Thank You precious Lord in the importance of daily reminding to ones own self daily. I am what I am but by the Grace of God Alone. I amn’t better than the unregenerate just better off, O’ how sweet & precious is His Saving truths, are amen.

Spurgeon; Born, as all of us are by nature, an Arminian, I still believed the old things I had heard continually from the pulpit, and did not see the grace of God. When I was coming to Christ, I thought I was doing it all myself, and though I sought the Lord earnestly, I had no idea the Lord was seeking me.

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News Item4/13/2020 9:21 PM
NeedHim  Find all comments by NeedHim
Thank goodness that God doesn’t give us fairness of what we all are deserving of. Apart from Him removing ones spiritual heart of stone away, as grace humbles ones & n’t meant to puff one up amen.

Spurgeon; I don’t believe that we can preach the gospel if we don’t preach justification by faith, without works. Nor unless we preach the sovereignty of God in the dispensation of grace. Nor unless we exalt the electing, unchangeable, eternal, immutable, conquering love of Jehovah. Nor do I think we can preach the gospel, unless we base it upon the particular redemption which Christ made for His elect & chosen people. Nor can I comprehend a gospel which lets saints fall away after they are called.

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News Item4/13/2020 4:27 PM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
Adriel wrote:
John;
Evening.👍
The old debate has returned for airing yet again. Mr. Arminius versus Mr. Calvin.
😊
Good even Adriel

Yes I used to think of it as a debate, but now I see it as either truth or error.

I truly believe that if a genuine Christian reads the Bible over and over, they will see the Doctrines of Grace, which include the inability of mankind to do anything spiritually good.

There is such a thing as dominion of sin, which all mankind outside of Christ are under. They are dominated by sin. Or in other words, their sinful nature rules the roost in their life. It is this that Jesus breaks when he saves someone by his grace.

Romans 6:14 KJV
(14)  For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

There will be those who say, T'aint fair!

The reason for this is because they think it was Adam's fault only, and only Adam should suffer the consequences. But they know not that Adam was the federal head for all mankind; he represented every man. And we sinned in Adam. So 'Tis fair!

Pink had it right bro!

The whole thing can be resolved by understanding the fall of man in the garden and the consequences upon mankind.

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News Item4/13/2020 3:31 PM
Adriel  Find all comments by Adriel
John;
Evening.👍
The old debate has returned for airing yet again. Mr. Arminius versus Mr. Calvin.
😊
_____________

Quote;
'Free moral agency' is an expression of human invention and, as we have said before, to talk of the freedom of the natural man—is to flatly repudiate his total spiritual ruin. Nowhere does Scripture speak of the freedom or moral ability of the sinner; on the contrary, it insists on his moral and spiritual inability."

"How is it possible for God to "withhold" men from sinning—and yet not to interfere with their liberty and responsibility—a question which so many say is incapable of solution in our present finite condition. This question causes us to ask, In what does "moral freedom," real moral freedom, consist? We answer, it is the being delivered from the bondage of sin. The more any soul is emancipated from the thralldom of sin, the more does he enter into a state of freedom, "If the Son therefore shall make you free—you shall be free indeed" (John 8:36)." (A.W.Pink)

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