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FRONT PAGE  |  12/15/2019
THURSDAY, OCT 31, 2019  |  40 comments
Reformation Day: 5 lesser-known Protestant leaders
When one thinks about the Protestant Reformation and its leadership, names like Martin Luther, John Calvin, and Ulrich Zwingli often come to mind.

While these figures were prominent, the sixteenth century spanned much of Europe and included many other figures including theologians, clergy, and academics.

As with their more famous contemporaries, these individuals were part of the Reformation and oftentimes experienced intense backlash from Catholic authorities. Here are five such people.


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News Item11/11/19 7:31 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
A complimentary article to go along with the Estep article. It is not overly long and is easy to read âť—đź‘Ť
Doug Kutilek wrote:
.....
Few Anabaptists are widely known today — perhaps only Menno Simons, and maybe Balthasar Hubmaier. But the list of devout, faithful, fervent men who labored diligently, blazed brightly, and suffered mightily for their sincere adherence to the Bible alone is lengthy. Time prevents us from speaking in detail of Conrad Grebel, George Blaurock, Felix Manz, Michael Sattler, Hans Hut, Jacob Hutter, Pilgram Marpeck, Wilhelm Reublin, Peter Riedemann, Hans Denck and others, many now known only to God, who lived, labored, and all too often died for their fervent commitment to the Bible as their solitary guide.

The Anabaptists established precedent for most distinctive present-day Baptist principles, including the Bible alone as the source of theological truth, believer’s baptism (though pouring, along with immersion, was commonly practiced by them), separation of church and state,...
....

excerpt from, "Anabaptists: the Real Heroes of the Reformation"

https://tinyurl.com/ydkcaqkg

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News Item11/7/19 8:33 AM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
James Thomas wrote:
Good morning to you John,
Thanks again for your kind reply and glad you agree.
Some may think the simplicity that is in Christ is complex. Paul says its simple. I'm glad we can agree with Paul.
Yes, amen, Paul says that the natural man, because of original sin, is dead while he lives and "there are none that understandeth, not even one".

What is simple to a believer is complex to an unbeliever.

However, the knowledge of God and of his Christ, we don't even scratch the surface. God is Creator, man is creature.

Wisdom crieth without; she uttereth her voice in the streets: She crieth in the chief place of concourse, in the openings of the gates: in the city she uttereth her words, saying, How long, ye simple ones, will ye love simplicity? and the scorners delight in their scorning, and fools hate knowledge?
(Proverbs 1:20-22 KJV)

Knowledge is good, and Christ has appointed teachers in the assembly to teach others the word of God, in which they are particularly spiritually gifted to do so.

But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.
(2 Peter 3:18 KJV)

Observe the two previous verses vv16-17.

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News Item11/7/19 7:53 AM
James Thomas | Fla  Find all comments by James Thomas
Good morning to you John,

Thanks again for your kind reply and glad you agree.

Some may think the simplicity that is in Christ is complex. Paul says its simple. I'm glad we can agree with Paul.

Those in Christ are the work of God.

John 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

They were given the name CHRISTians first at Antioch(Acts 11:26) as promised (Isa. 62:2).

What was in the way was nailed to the cross (Col. 2:14).

Paul simplified it to one question of those befuddled by the doctrines of men.

Receiving ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

That Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God And the Just **shall live by Faith**.

John 6:57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even **he shall live by me**.

Blessings to you! Thanks for the civil discussion.

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News Item11/7/19 5:00 AM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
Good morning James,

I am happy to be able to agree with your entire last post. The gospel truth itself is a mystery (to the natural man), but God reveals it to his elect, he makes it manifest to their mind. Your proof texts show this.

In the text we are looking at, are you looking at "simplicity" as referring to either Christ or the gospel? If so, I believe you got it wrong, the KJV not helping much in its use of words. It refers rather to the singleness of devotion of the saint towards Christ. Note,

I am afraid that your minds will be corrupted and that you will abandon your full and pure devotion to Christ — in the same way that Eve was deceived by the snake's clever lies. For you gladly tolerate anyone who comes to you and preaches a different Jesus, not the one we preached; and you accept a spirit and a gospel completely different from the Spirit and the gospel you received from us!
(2 Corinthians 11:3-4 GNB)

If you now read the KJV in light of this, it makes more sense. Paul's whole concern is that his converts will not depart from the [simplicity that is in Christ, namely, Christ in you, the hope of glory, and singleness of heart towards him] in favour of false preachers who preach another Jesus.

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News Item11/6/19 10:07 PM
James Thomas | Fla  Find all comments by James Thomas
Hey John,

Boy your up late tonight. You should be asleep about now. What is it, maybe 3 am there?
-----

You said Paul said the gospel was a mystery, not a simple little message that anyone could preach.

But it appears here in Colossians the mystery is made manifest aka visible or made known by God Himself as He promised{Isa. 54:13,John 6:45,Isaiah 2:3} to His saints in Col. 1:26-27 which aligns quite nicely with John 6:29.

Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: {To whom God would make known} what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; ***which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:*** which is the fulfillment of Jer 31:33

Also spoken of here:

Rom 16:25-26
.....according to **the revelation of the mystery**, which was kept secret since the world began,
But now is made manifest, and **by the scriptures of the prophets**, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

The prophets are chock full of the mystery that would be revealed.

Amos 3:7 Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.

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News Item11/6/19 8:41 PM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
James Thomas wrote:
Hey John,
I'm fine with exchanging thoughts, but I'm having a hard time following your reasoning on saying its a "complex" gospel rather than simple one by the reason you gave at the outset.
No problem James, let me take the simpler route and show you that Paul said the gospel was a mystery, not a simple little message that anyone could preach. You'll notice that he was asking for prayer, in order that God might enable him to preach this gospel as he ought, because it is not within the capacity of man to do this.

Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints; And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel, For which I am an ambassador in bonds: that therein I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak.
(Ephesians 6:18-20 KJV)

When men of God, duly anointed with the Holy Spirit, preach the gospel, there is something most special about it. This is why Charles Spurgeon had a couple of hundred of his congregation praying out back for him throughout the services.

Maybe you've never heard such?

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News Item11/6/19 5:44 PM
James Thomas | Fla  Find all comments by James Thomas
Hey John,

I'm fine with exchanging thoughts, but I'm having a hard time following your reasoning on saying its a "complex" gospel rather than simple one by the reason you gave at the outset.

John: "The reason for this may relate to your belief concerning the actual state of a man who is a sinner."

That would be the give up trying to be good enough part I mentioned....Maybe I should have said "not trying to establish your own righteousness".

Rom. 10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

Does that help?

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News Item11/6/19 4:33 PM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
Hi James and thank you for your thoughts.

I honestly believe you are mixed up with regard to this "simplicity", which you claim is so simple that even a child can understand it.

The reason for this may relate to your belief concerning the actual state of a man who is a sinner. In my book, the man is born a sinner, by inheritance. He doesn't become a sinner at his first sin. Note,

There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
(Romans 3:11 KJV)

This is the natural state of all men.

Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
(Romans 3:19 KJV)

The whole world (by nature) is guilty before God.

Thusly, putting those two scriptures together, the gospel (as it says in the NT) is a mystery, a mystery. Without enlightenment of the Spirit, no man will ever understand it, nor will any child.

The Fall brings spiritual death, so the natural man understands nothing gospel-wise. He needs that Ephesians 2 quickening, "And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins..."

Calvary, and the Man who died there, is far from "simplicity", it be rather "complex" because of who Jesus IS.

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News Item11/6/19 2:01 PM
James Thomas | Fla  Find all comments by James Thomas
John,

Thanks for the kind reply and sharing your thoughts.

Your right, Paul was warning them of the same bewitching Paul mentions in Galatians in which he sums up the matter in 3:2. Same thing.

The simplicity which is in Christ is so simple a child can understand it. Just give up trying to be good enough and don’t do this or that...and simply just trust, believe, revere and love the One(Deut. 6:5, John 6:29) who was and is good enough.

John 15:4 As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine.

Heb 13:15 *By Him* therefore let us offer the sacrifice of praise to God continually, that is, the fruit of our lips giving thanks to his name.

And thankfully He creates (Isa. 57:19) the fruit of the lips of believers as the fruits of the Spirit are the good works we as believers are ordained to walk in(Gal. 5:22-24).

So if He has provided a perfect pasture that He has created for us sheep to graze in, why trust in any collection of thoughts from men (Creeds, confessions,Etc.) which is not perfect, as a measuring stick?

That lesson has been taught.

Hosea 13:6 ***According to their pasture***, so were they filled; they were filled, and their heart was exalted; therefore have they forgotten me.

What was their pasture? See Hosea 13:2

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News Item11/5/19 10:52 AM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
James Thomas wrote:
John,
How do you understand what is the simplicity that is in Christ Paul mentions?
Hi James, always the best way is to observe the context first.

Paul is talking to Christians who are now married to Jesus Christ, as per Romans 7:4. They were previously married to the law, but now having died, they are married to Christ, that they may bear good fruit.

He tells the Corinthians of his concern for them, that although they are united with Christ, they are in danger of being drawn away from Jesus by Satan (the serpent), as also he drew away Eve in the Garden, corrupting their minds.

[2 Corinthians 11:3-4]

Through what means? How does the devil do this?

1. Through a preacher who preaches a different and better Jesus.

2. Through the ministry of a spirit more worthwhile than you have accepted.

3. Through another, more perfect, gospel message.

Paul effectively tells them that it is impossible for them to hear of a better Jesus, a better spirit than the Spirit of God, and a better gospel than his, which is a glorious gospel of a glorious salvation.

He exhorts them to stick with him, as he has told them the truth, and not go running after false teachers.

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News Item11/5/19 8:35 AM
James Thomas | Fla  Find all comments by James Thomas
John,

How do you understand what is the simplicity that is in Christ Paul mentions?

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News Item11/4/19 12:27 PM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
There is but one only,(a) living, and true God,(b) who is infinite in being and perfection,(c) a most pure spirit,(d) invisible,(e) without body, parts,(f) or passions,(g) immutable,(h) immense,(i) eternal,(k) incomprehensible,(l) almighty,(m) most wise,(n) most holy,(o) most free,(p) most absolute,(q) working all things according to the counsel of His own immutable and most righteous will,(r) for His own glory;(s) most loving,(t) gracious, merciful, long-suffering, abundant in goodness and truth, forgiving iniquity, transgression, and sin;(u) the rewarder of them that diligently seek Him;(w) and withal, most just and terrible in His judgments,(x) hating all sin,(y) and who will by no means clear the guilty.(z)

(a) Deut. 6:4; I Cor. 8:4, 6.
(b) I Thess. 1:9; Jer. 10:10.
(c) Job 11:7, 8, 9; Job 26:14.
(d) John 4:24.
(e) I Tim. 1:17.
(f) Deut. 4:15, 16; John 4:24, with Luke 24:39.
(g) Acts 14:11, 15.
(h) James 1:17; Mal. 3:6.
(i) I Kings 8:27; Jer. 23:23, 24.
(k) Ps. 90:2; I Tim. 1:17.
(l) Ps. 145:3.
(m) Gen. 17:1; Rev. 4:8.
(n) Rom. 16:27.
(o) Isa. 6:3; Rev. 4:8.
(p) Ps. 115:3.
(q) Exod. 3:14.
(r) Eph. 1:11.
(s) Prov. 16:4; Rom. 11:36.
(t) I John 4:8, 16.
(u) Exod. 34:6, 7.
(w) Heb. 11:6.
(x) Neh. 9:32, 33.
(y) Ps. 5:5, 6.
(z) Nah. 1:2, 3; Exod. 34:7.

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News Item11/4/19 11:27 AM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
James Thomas wrote:
No John,
Your conclusions and assertions are far off.
I'm mearly pointing out an obvious oversight in your beloved WFC which you appear to be defending. Apparently you don't think my suggestion of "God is Love" should be included in that list you are promoting.
Shocking!
Hello James. I am not a Presbyterian, and so am not acquainted with the WCF/LC/SC. The quote I made was from the SC, which is a catechism for little children I believe, called the Shorter Catechism. I'm sure my Presby friends will set me straight if that info is incorrect.

Now if you want to go to the big boy's stuff, you need to go to the Westminster Confession of Faith, a confession which exceeds all your knowledge at a stroke, and which has sought to put down what the Bible teaches about numerous subjects, to assist the working man who does not have much time to study scriptures but who wishes to know what the Bible teaches. It goes very deep, including what the Bible is and how it is to be interpreted, which thing should find agreement with you.

Next post I will show you how deep the confession goes, including your text 1 John 4:8, which shows just a small part of what God is. Look for 't' in my next.

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News Item11/4/19 10:56 AM
James Thomas | Fla  Find all comments by James Thomas
John UK wrote:
James, you've just begun your own catechism. Congratulations. Statement of faith to follow no doubt.
James's Catechism
Q4. Who is God? A. God is Love.*
* 1 John 4:8
Personally I don't think it will catch on,
No John,

Your conclusions and assertions are far off.

I'm mearly pointing out an obvious oversight in your beloved WFC which you appear to be defending. Apparently you don't think my suggestion of "God is Love" should be included in that list you are promoting.

Shocking!

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News Item11/4/19 3:30 AM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
James Thomas wrote:
John,
I read through your suggestion on a bible study from this shorter catechism you posted. I can't say I'd want to go any further with it as the Question 4 you provided asks:
WHAT is God?
That question should be WHO is GOD?
James, you've just begun your own catechism. Congratulations. Statement of faith to follow no doubt.

James's Catechism
Q4. Who is God? A. God is Love.*
* 1 John 4:8

Personally I don't think it will catch on, but it's your life and you will do whatever you think is right.

James, the answer you gave to my question was very poor. If I had asked what a Christian is, the answer would have been fine: he is a person in whom Jesus Christ dwells by faith. But I asked if you knew any Christians in your district who were living in the "simplicity that is in Christ" and where they were to be found. Obviously you don't believe that all Christians are living in this simplicity, so I wondered if you were the only one, or are there others in Florida that you know about? Thank you.

I am shortly off to meeting, so I will look in later.

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News Item11/3/19 6:23 PM
James Thomas | Fla  Find all comments by James Thomas
John,

I read through your suggestion on a bible study from this shorter catechism you posted. I can't say I'd want to go any further with it as the Question 4 you provided asks:

WHAT is God?

That question should be WHO is GOD? Not WHAT is God? Does the below sound like a "what" or a "Who"?

Jer 9:27 But let him that glorieth glory in this, that he understandeth and knoweth me, that I am the LORD which exercise lovingkindness, judgment, and righteousness, in the earth: for in these things I delight, saith the LORD.

And secondly, How could anyone compiling such a list of "what IS GOD?"(Grrr..it bothers me to even type it.) miss the ones where John in his 1st letter defines God is Love. Not once, but twice.

1 John 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for *God is love*.

God is Love!

1 John 4:16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. *God is love*; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.

God is Love!

How does this collection miss that most important one? It's not there.

Perhaps you can suggest they should redo question 4 and say what are God's attributes? Seems like that would make more sense from the list they compiled and also would demonstrate more reverence.

Thanks for helping me make my point

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News Item11/3/19 2:57 PM
James Thomas | Fla  Find all comments by James Thomas
John UK wrote:
Then tell me where all the Christians are, who are successfully enjoying the "simplicity that is in Christ". [PLEASE answer this question, if nothing else.]
Hi John,

Since you said please ...I'll answer.

From Eph. 3-17-21 and 1 Timothy 1:14 we see that Christ dwells in the hearts of His by the faith and love that is found in Christ Jesus.
Meaning, In the hearts of all believers wherever they may be... whatever language they may speak, it is the Word of life in the bible that is the common denominator which makes it all happen.

The new name given as promised in Isaiah 62:2 was given at Antioch and that name was Christian. Those that are His are known by that name and is the work of God.

John 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
---------

Here is an example of my point regarding the confusion I spoke of.

Assemblies of God denomination is known for Speaking in "tongues". A babe in Christ may be taught the need to learn how to yodel in order to receive the Spirit which is nonsense and I only know that, not because I have common sense, but because the Scriptures teach that tongues are referring to real languages.

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News Item11/3/19 10:10 AM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
James, I have not done the Shorter Catechism, but I am pleased to be able to quote it regarding what I said earlier. You could do a Bible study on this if you wanted to.

Q. 4. What is God?

A. God is a Spirit [a], infinite [b], eternal [c], and unchangeable [d] in his being [e], wisdom [f], power [g], holiness [h], justice [i], goodness [j], and truth [k].

[a]. Deut. 4:15-19; Luke 24:39; John 1:18; 4:24; Acts 17:29
[b]. 1 Kings 8:27; Ps. 139:7-10; 145:3; 147:5; Jer. 23:24; Rom.
11:33-36
[c]. Deut. 33:27; Ps. 90:2; 102:12, 24-27; Rev. 1:4,8
[d]. Ps. 33:11; Mal. 3:6; Heb. 1:12; 6:17-18; 13:8; Jas. 1:17
[e]. Ex. 3:14; Ps. 115:2-3; 1 Tim. 1:17; 6:15-16
[f]. Ps. 104:24; Rom. 11:33-34; Heb. 4:13; 1 John 3:20
[g]. Gen. 17:1; Ps. 62:11; Jer. 32:17; Mat. 19:26; Rev. 1:8
[h]. Heb. 1:13; I Pet. 1:15-16; 1 John 3:3, 5; Rev. 15:4
[i]. Gen. 18:25; Ex. 34:6-7; Deut. 32:4; Ps. 96:13; Rom. 3:5, 26
[j]. Ps. 103:5; 107:8; Matt. 19:17; Rom. 2:4
[k]. Ex. 34:6; Deut. 32:4; Ps. 86:15; 117:2; Heb. 6:18

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News Item11/3/19 8:38 AM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
James Thomas wrote:
...
With the confusion and complication that denominational differences brings and befuddles believers, It clearly begs the question.
What is the simplicity that is in Christ Paul mentions?
Hi James, I tell you what, before I will answer the question, "What is the simplicity that is in Christ"? let me give you the opportunity to evaluate your district (make it as big as you like) and then tell me where all the Christians are, who are successfully enjoying the "simplicity that is in Christ". [PLEASE answer this question, if nothing else.]

If you say that there are none, on account of denominational confusion and "lost the plot" syndrome, are you saying that you alone are left to tell the tale, and that your main mission in life is to get other believers to drop their confusing confessions of faith, creeds, commentaries etc., and enjoy the simplicity of just carrying a Bible only and following Jesus only?

James, can you not see that if you answer any spiritual question, you have made your own catechism, called James's Catechism?

Q. What is God? A. God is a Spirit.*
* John 4:24

Do you see how similar that is to the WCF/SC, LC?

Why the problem with writing down truth?

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News Item11/3/19 8:17 AM
James Thomas | Fla  Find all comments by James Thomas
John UK wrote:
So let's see how that works out when everyone gets on board.

All the denominational churches within that district are to repent and disband: Methodist, Baptist, Presby, Adventist, RCC, Lutheran, Reformed, JW's, Church of God, Episcopal, Greek Orthodox, and all the others.

Good Morning Bro.

FYI, I hope you understood my last post was intended to be taken as lighthearted.

Denominations of believers, as I see it, are defined by their beliefs mostly of what is termed "secondary nature" but sadly those issues pridefully become the defining badge of their congregation. Some of whom you mentioned preach another Jesus, which I believe you are aware of, but they all do normally get grouped together as if they are "one" like you did in your list of denominational churches above.
For example, I don't see the RCC as a denomination, but an abomination. And thankfully God is still pulling His out of that hellfire mess of man made worship as some posters can attest to here.

With the confusion and complication that denominational differences brings and befuddles believers, It clearly begs the question.

What is the simplicity that is in Christ Paul mentions?

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