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FRONT PAGE  |  10/21/2019
SUNDAY, OCT 6, 2019  |  17 comments
Rev. Graham’s tour evokes evangelical support for Trump
Rev. Franklin Graham did not utter the word “impeachment” as he spoke to thousands of Christians here this week, the latest stop on a long-running tour he has dubbed Decision America — a title with political and religious undertones.

But evangelicals who turned out to see Graham didn’t necessarily need his warning that “our country is in trouble” in order to tap into their deep-rooted support for President Donald Trump during an intensifying political crisis hundreds of miles north in Washington.

“I do feel like we are, as Christians, the first line of defense for the president,” Christina Jones, 44, said before Graham took the stage. Trump is “supporting our Christian principles and trying to do his best,” she added, even as “everybody’s against him.” ...


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News Item10/11/19 8:44 AM
Dr. Tim | Way Down Yonder  Find all comments by Dr. Tim
Cora, if you don’t like Southerners, you wouldn’t enjoy heaven. The place will be crawling with them. Of course none of the comments you have posted on SA indicate that you’re going there, so you probably don’t have to worry about it.
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News Item10/11/19 7:58 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Cora Suither wrote:
I personally think Graham is unfit to make any comment on another unfit person. Namely Trump.
How can he support such an idiotic, immoral, self-serving individual simply because he's against abortion; as if abortion is the only issue we're dealing with. What about the Constitution? What about our system of governance?
Graham apparently has his own righteousness and it is blinding him. So much for this southerner.
Anti-Trumpers do have one thing in common, Cora. They name-call and personal attack a lot, but provide little if anything on which of his policies they disagree with, and the reasons for their position. Why is that?
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News Item10/10/19 11:05 PM
Cora Suither | PA  Find all comments by Cora Suither
I personally think Graham is unfit to make any comment on another unfit person. Namely Trump.
How can he support such an idiotic, immoral, self-serving individual simply because he's against abortion; as if abortion is the only issue we're dealing with. What about the Constitution? What about our system of governance?

Graham apparently has his own righteousness and it is blinding him. So much for this southerner.

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News Item10/6/19 7:28 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Neil, I have never approved of either Billy's or Frankie's ecumenism,
Then why did you direct people to a writer who tells this outrageous fib: "He [Billy] ministered for a lifetime without serious controversy or compromise"
Or to a website that says this about itself:
"We embrace and work alongside people of different faiths, erasing the lines of ‘us vs. them."
Sounds like Billy's ecumenism!
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News Item10/6/19 5:39 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Neil, I have never approved of either Billy's or Frankie's ecumenism, e.g.,
https://tinyurl.com/zva8rrs (Franklin Graham's Unscriptural Ecumenism)

As I pointed out, and as I thought long before I saw this article,

https://tinyurl.com/y5c57puh

Billy Graham from the TV pulpit was theologically correct. Just about anywhere else he wasn't. It goes Frankie probably isn't that good even in any of his public pronouncements ❗

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News Item10/6/19 5:38 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
I don't know how conservative Peter Wehner is, I believe he was in three Republican administrations. I don't think he is like Trumpians or more Trumpian than Republicans, he may very well be more Christian than Republican, one would hope so 👍
Peter Wehner wrote:
....
A lot of different factors—internal and external, domestic and international, economic and social—influence a nation’s political and civic culture. And we all know, deep in our bones, that political leadership and rhetoric do, too. We need to stand with women and men in public life who believe, as Abraham Lincoln did, that words can be instruments of reason and justice, repair and reconciliation, enlightenment and truth. Who are willing to challenge not just their adversaries but their allies, not just the other political tribe but their own. And who are willing to make a compelling case for truth, deliberative democracy, and persuasion.

Ours is a remarkable republic, if we can keep it.

excerpt from, "Trump’s Sinister Assault on Truth"
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News Item10/6/19 2:19 PM
Country Boy | Alabama  Find all comments by Country Boy
Jim would much rather have Hilary as president. I don’t think he’s gotten over 2016 yet. He’s still a little hungover.
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News Item10/6/19 12:23 PM
Adriel  Find all comments by Adriel
From Jim:
"Peter Wehner wrote:
... until followers of Jesus are once again willing to speak truth to power rather than act like court pastors—the crisis in American Christianity will only deepen, its public testimony only dim, its effort to be a healing agent in a broken world only weaken."

Jim
That quote seems to be very Arminian. 🙈

If Christian witness must rely on human effort then evangelicalism is in a terrible fix. Disaster ahead. 👿

Trust in God.

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News Item10/6/19 10:49 AM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Jim Lincoln wrote:
... I did not care for either of the Grahams' ecumenical stances,
Sounds a bit Biden-ish: I was addressing the foolish opinion of the writer you quoted, not your own. Regardless of your history of TV watching, it is widely known that Graham collaborated with Catholics. Since you like quotes, here is one from a Jesuit[!] source:

"he defied his core audience by building bridges with Roman Catholics."

https://www.americamagazine.org/politics-society/2018/02/21/how-billy-graham-shaped-american-catholicism

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News Item10/6/19 9:59 AM
Dr. Tim | Way Down Yonder  Find all comments by Dr. Tim
True, Mike, and like other liberals Jim has been blinded by the promise of “free” stuff. The only things that are free are air and salvation, and if the Dumbocrats have their way air will be taxed and salvation will be outlawed.
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News Item10/6/19 8:44 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Again, the issue with Jim's approach to things is that it seems to depend on who is in the White House. When a Repub is president, Christians shouldn't be involved in politics; when a Dem is there, it's render to Caesar time, and we shouldn't be criticizing a sitting president.

Jim is one-sided political, while imagining himself an independent.

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News Item10/6/19 7:58 AM
Dr. Tim | Way Down Yonder  Find all comments by Dr. Tim
This is a fascinating conversation you’re having with yourself, Jim. Do you also talk in your sleep?
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News Item10/6/19 7:15 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Adriel wrote:
.....
The True Church knows that evangelical means you really do believe the Bible and stick to its doctrines.
Peter Wehner wrote:
... until followers of Jesus are once again willing to speak truth to power rather than act like court pastors—the crisis in American Christianity will only deepen, its public testimony only dim, its effort to be a healing agent in a broken world only weaken.
excerpts from, "The Deepening Crisis in Evangelical Christianity "

https://tinyurl.com/yy52ynru

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News Item10/6/19 5:36 AM
Adriel  Find all comments by Adriel
""Michelle Boorstein, Sarah Pulliam Bailey and Julie Zauzmer wrote:
....
Evangelicalism was a poorly understood movement when Graham entered ministry in the 1940s. He helped define the core tenets of evangelical Christianity, and he preached them again and again — personal salvation through Jesus Christ, the inerrancy of the Bible, the importance of sharing the good news far and wide. In his simple, straightforward, captivating sermons, he brought evangelicalism to the masses....""

Jim,
It all depends on your definition of the term 'evangelicalism'

Even the dread Liberalists describe themselves as evangelical.
Which of course they are no where near.

The True Church knows that evangelical means you really do believe the Bible and stick to its doctrines.

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News Item10/6/19 4:54 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Neil, I don't know how many times I referenced these two articles to show that I did not care for either of the Grahams' ecumenical stances, something that Billy and Franklin agreed upon.

https://tinyurl.com/ytd3f (Billy Graham--General Teachings/Activities) and

https://tinyurl.com/j5cyqqc (Billy Graham Believes Catholic Doctrine of Salvation Without Bible, Gospel, or Name of Christ)

But, and I rather narrow range of things, I never remember Billy Graham saying anything incorrectly when he was on the pulpit on TV. Now even some of his advertisements I didn't like. 👎

But when he was preaching on TV he seems to always stick to this:

Michelle Boorstein, Sarah Pulliam Bailey and Julie Zauzmer wrote:
....
Evangelicalism was a poorly understood movement when Graham entered ministry in the 1940s. He helped define the core tenets of evangelical Christianity, and he preached them again and again — personal salvation through Jesus Christ, the inerrancy of the Bible, the importance of sharing the good news far and wide. In his simple, straightforward, captivating sermons, he brought evangelicalism to the masses....
excerpts from, "Would Billy Graham be disgusted by evangelicals today?"

https://tinyurl.com/y5c57puh

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News Item10/6/19 2:01 AM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Jim Lincoln wrote:
excerpts from, "Franklin Graham's Religion Is Not His Father's"
What hypocritical journalism! His father's religion involved getting tight with Rome, the most bloodthirsty, blatantly political church there ever was.
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News Item10/6/19 12:40 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Kathy Vestal wrote:
....
In the 1970s when Jerry Falwell changed the face of American Christianity by marrying it with conservative politics, Rev. Graham refused to be a part of it. Although a Southern Baptist and a registered Democrat, he never let either of those distinctions rule his life. Graham willingly pastored all presidents regardless of political party, from Truman to Obama.

He refused in 1979 to join Falwell’s Moral majority, saying, “I’m for morality, but morality goes beyond sex to human freedom and social justice. We as clergy know so very little to speak with authority on the Panama Canal or superiority of armaments. Evangelists cannot be closely identified with any particular party or person. We have to stand in the middle in order to preach to all people, right and left.“

In 1981 he told Parade magazine, “I don’t want to see religious bigotry in any form. It would disturb me if there was a wedding between the religious fundamentalists and the political right. The hard right has no interest in religion except to manipulate it.”...

excerpts from, "Franklin Graham's Religion Is Not His Father's"

https://tinyurl.com/y3b5n4ad

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