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FRONT PAGE  |  10/17/2019
FRIDAY, SEP 20, 2019  |  50 comments
Wheaton College students sue city for severly hindering First Amendment rights
Four Wheaton College students who were repeatedly stopped from open-air preaching and passing out evangelism literature in Millennium Park are suing the city for allegedly violating their First Amendment rights.

The students — all members of Wheaton College’s Chicago Evangelism Team, an outreach ministry sponsored by the college’s Office of Christian Outreach — announced the lawsuit Wednesday, claiming Millennium Park’s rules “severely hinder First Amendment rights for all within a public forum.”

“Although an outdoor park is the quintessential public forum, the city’s rules purportedly transform the outdoor public park into a novel spatial concept with various ‘rooms’ that prohibit freedom of speech,” the complaint states. ...


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News Item9/23/19 4:22 PM
Dr. Tim | Way Down Yonder  Find all comments by Dr. Tim
There are numerous scriptural precedents for being a pouty, thumb-sucking crybaby when one doesn’t get his way. Cain, King Saul and Ahab all come to mind.
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News Item9/23/19 3:38 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Carol wrote:
Haven’t read any comments from naysayers and nitpickers on here.Just because one is challenged concerning their theology is a far cry from being controversial or contentious, and being unjustly labeled by you Frank.
As Quiet Christian rightly posted, we are not a bunch of neophytes that need constant instruction from the man from Wales.
Thank you ma’am for your counsel.
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News Item9/23/19 3:29 PM
Adriel  Find all comments by Adriel
Emotions only cloud debate.
They do not substantiate any position.
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News Item9/23/19 3:18 PM
Carol  Find all comments by Carol
Haven’t read any comments from naysayers and nitpickers on here.Just because one is challenged concerning their theology is a far cry from being controversial or contentious, and being unjustly labeled by you Frank.
As Quiet Christian rightly posted, we are not a bunch of neophytes that need constant instruction from the man from Wales.
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News Item9/23/19 11:44 AM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
John UK wrote:
When I "thought like a child" I too used to think like that. But not any more. I will exalt the Lord my God and his sovereignty and immense power, his providential workings and ability to bring to pass certain events, that his elect will get to hear the gospel in his time and in his way.
People like myself, who have sat at the feet of Charles Spurgeon, have learnt not to throw water at a crate full of bottles, hoping to get some water into each one, but rather to carefully pour the water into just one of the bottles until it is full.
There are people who have done hardly any evangelism who imagine themselves experts on the subject. Too bad.
Hey Ho, back to sleep in Zion, folks. You have had your chance to learn a few things, but you prefer the lie rather than the truth, so I will not stay here to be used as a punch bag, thank you very much.
I'll be back for the ChristMass debate, to see if anyone has woken up out of their spiritual RCC antichrist slumber.
Well brother, I hope you don't allow these naysayers and nitpickers to stop you from posting. You have been a blessing to me and so many others over the years.
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News Item9/23/19 11:21 AM
Carol  Find all comments by Carol
Come quickly Lord Jesus that we may sit at Your Feet and hear pure Truth.
No more lies, half truths, blasphemous doctrine, by men not guided by the Holy Spirit.
Oh what an eternity that will be! Amen.
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News Item9/23/19 10:20 AM
The Quiet Christian  Find all comments by The Quiet Christian
*have not seen what you are claiming.
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News Item9/23/19 10:18 AM
The Quiet Christian  Find all comments by The Quiet Christian
John! I am surprised at you. If you have ceased to think "like a child," you would not pick up your dollies and huff off home. No one is using you for a punching bag. Not agreeing with you is one thing. The abuse you claim, with the exception of maybe one or two, isn't happening.

If you have something to share, you should do so. If the Lord has us believe your point of view, then we will do so. But you seem to think that we are neophytes ourselves.

Can you point out where Spurgeon, with whom you are aquainted, advocated an approach that you are forwarding on this thread? I too have read some Spurgeon, but have seen what you are claiming.

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News Item9/23/19 7:12 AM
Dr. Tim | Way Down Yonder  Find all comments by Dr. Tim
Why, John, I can hardly wait for Christmas! I plan to sing lots of hymns and even a few carols, listen to several yee-haw preachers, and sling the gospel indiscriminately at high and low, black and white, rich and poor. “Christmas is coming, the possum’s getting fat.” My oh my! Of course I’ll be wearing a Colt .45 at my hip and a ten-gallon hat on my noggin just in case some loony takes it upon himself to try to shoot up the folks at church. If he lives—which I admit is unlikely—I’ll sue him to within an inch of his wallet. Meanwhile you can wear your Grinch outfit and enjoy Christmas in your own special way. “Oh what fun it is to ride in a goatcart every day, hey!”
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News Item9/23/19 2:49 AM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
The Quiet Christian wrote:
John UK,
..
I would think that since we don't know whom the Lord is calling to Himself, speaking to larger numbers has a greater potential to be within hearing of those whom He is calling.
When I "thought like a child" I too used to think like that. But not any more. I will exalt the Lord my God and his sovereignty and immense power, his providential workings and ability to bring to pass certain events, that his elect will get to hear the gospel in his time and in his way.

People like myself, who have sat at the feet of Charles Spurgeon, have learnt not to throw water at a crate full of bottles, hoping to get some water into each one, but rather to carefully pour the water into just one of the bottles until it is full.

There are people who have done hardly any evangelism who imagine themselves experts on the subject. Too bad.

Hey Ho, back to sleep in Zion, folks. You have had your chance to learn a few things, but you prefer the lie rather than the truth, so I will not stay here to be used as a punch bag, thank you very much.

I'll be back for the ChristMass debate, to see if anyone has woken up out of their spiritual RCC antichrist slumber.

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News Item9/23/19 12:21 AM
Dr. Tim | Way Down Yonder  Find all comments by Dr. Tim
Esther 9:6–And in Shushan the palace the Jews slew and destroyed five hundred men.
Sounds to me like a pretty good biblical precedent for standing up for our rights.
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News Item9/22/19 9:50 PM
Herbal Mama  Find all comments by Herbal Mama
QC wrote: "None of us will enter the Kingdom of Heaven based on the score of our theology and doctrine entrance exam but by and through the sacrifice of the Lord Jesus."

Amen!! Some forget that. They insist they're humble but their constant belittling and false accusations prove contrary. A nice reminder for all on SA.

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News Item9/22/19 6:21 PM
Unprofitable Servant | TN  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
John in reading through the comments it looks like you choose to ignore more than one person who tried to show you the fallacy of your quest, so we won’t address that.

I can think of two examples in Scripture that parallel the situation in Wheaton where the action of a government was changed due to existing granted government laws, which is what these young people are attempting to do.

One was already cited in Acts 22 where Paul stopped a government ordered scourging by claiming a privilege already granted him under Roman law. In Ezra 5&6 where Jews Were able to continue to build that had been stopped by local authorities and used the law to change governmental violation of rights granted to them.

There is your Biblical warrant whether or not you choose to accept it is up to you.

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News Item9/22/19 5:26 PM
The Quiet Christian  Find all comments by The Quiet Christian
Also, Brother John, to insinuate that the young people are not Christians just because they seem to have a difference in opinion with you as to how to approach a problem.

Something I have learned thru the work of the Holy Spirit is that I don't have the all the answers and those i have still need the covering of Jesus Christ. I see thru the glass darkly, but that the real key between saints is that love or charity (I Corthinians 13). Maybe your glass isn't as dark as mine? Sure seems like BGEA had a clear piece of glass from one of your earlier comments. None of us will enter the Kingdom of Heaven based on the score of our theology and doctrine entrance exam but by and through the sacrifice of the Lord Jesus.

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News Item9/22/19 4:54 PM
The Quiet Christian  Find all comments by The Quiet Christian
John UK, I think you may, in fact, be the only one on SA who does nkt see the wrong in these young people's attempt to share Christ to the contempt of the local government.

I'm not saying that being alone makes you wrong, but you haven't made a convincing argument. You being in and from the UK, perhaps this is part of the cultural difference that is influencing your underlying assumptions as our culture here in the States influences ours?

To equate these kids or any other street preacher to using some sort of psychological modeling to guesstimate the number of altar calls is quite a stretch. I would think that since we don't know whom the Lord is calling to Himself, speaking to larger numbers has a greater potential to be within hearing of those whom He is calling.

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News Item9/22/19 4:40 PM
Adriel  Find all comments by Adriel
John UK wrote:
Oh boy, now we have students who imagine themselves Christians oh-so-annoyed that they have been relegated to a corner of the park in order to preach their gospel, and what are they doing? They are taking the city to court.
Now don't forget John;
The modern politically correct Liberalist religion is very people friendly.
And if the people dare to forget that then they will be sent to hell for unfaithful thoughts.

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News Item9/22/19 4:26 PM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
As I said 55 hours ago:

"I don't see a biblical warrant for doing this. Why don't they just get on with doing what God told them to do, and face whatever consequences they have to face? As in, be a disciple of Jesus Christ, and follow him. Is that too simple?"

Do folks imagine it was easy to preach the gospel in Bible times, when Saul of Tarsus was on the march, rounding up Christians, beating them, forcing them to blaspheme, putting them in prison, or killing them?

Oh boy, now we have students who imagine themselves Christians oh-so-annoyed that they have been relegated to a corner of the park in order to preach their gospel, and what are they doing? They are taking the city to court. What sort of students are they? Rich kids with rich parents who have caught the modern stand-up-for-your-rights phenomena, who have learnt from the queers to take a case to court and get satisfaction? How much time and money and effort is all this going to take? Can they justify spending their parents' money on a court case? Wheaton College is observing but not interfering, they are on their own. And their studies? Who cares?

Am I the only person on SA who does not see Christianity in all this? That it is all of the flesh not the Spirit?

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News Item9/22/19 3:49 PM
B. McCausland  Find all comments by B. McCausland
John, thanks for your answer, but you seem all over the place over extreme situations and out of shape personal experiences and concepts.

Two or three pointers here,

1. An OT passage on evangelism,
"Cast thy bread upon the waters:
for thou shalt find it after many days.
Give a portion to seven, and also to eight;
for you know not what evil shall be upon the earth.
If the clouds be full of rain, they empty themselves upon the earth: and if the tree fall toward the south, or toward the north, in the place where the tree falleth, there it shall be.
He that observes the wind shall not sow;
and he that regards the clouds shall not reap.
As you know not what is the way of the spirit, nor how the bones do grow in the womb of her that is with child: even so you know not the works of God who makes all.
In the morning sow thy seed, and in the evening withhold not thine hand:
for thou knowest not whether shall prosper, either this or that,
or whether they both shall be alike good."

2. Seeking justice is never barred as unlawful in Scripture.
E.g. Mordecai used the only means he had to seek such in his predicament when all the other routes were non existent. Yet by God's mercy a positive outcome came to pass

3. Sorry to hear your mix up re. "DIY evangelism"

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News Item9/22/19 3:24 PM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
Frank wrote:
Brother John,
Thanks for your below comments and especially for the smiley face following your Arminist comment. I know you have preached often in public and commonly give out tracts in public to whomever will take them. That is not Arminian in the slightest but simply witnessing to all who will listen. The great commission.
Like you, I believe in election. But I can't imagine walking up to someone and saying: "I'm not sure if you are one of God's elect, but in case you are, here is the gospel".
You got that on the button, Frank.

The Quiet Christian wrote:
1. Ah, just saw you latest, John. Why would approaching the larger group of people be Arminian?
2. Also, the concept of free speech zones goes against the right of free speech in a truly public place.
1. During ancient research, QC, I discovered that the BGEA could tell you before a crusade how many 'converts' they expected, based upon how many people were attending the crusade.

2. If you are right, the boys should win their court case easily, paving the way for a free-for-all "Speaker's Corner" at the Bean. If you are wrong, and they lose, they could always do what God tells them and face the consequences.

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News Item9/22/19 3:02 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Brother John,

Thanks for your below comments and especially for the smiley face following your Arminist comment. I know you have preached often in public and commonly give out tracts in public to whomever will take them. That is not Arminian in the slightest but simply witnessing to all who will listen. The great commission.

Like you, I believe in election. But I can't imagine walking up to someone and saying: "I'm not sure if you are one of God's elect, but in case you are, here is the gospel".

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