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FRONT PAGE  |  9/17/2019
Choice News MONDAY, SEP 2, 2019  |  31 comments  |  1 commentary
Pence: 'The Bible stays' at veterans hospital
Vice President Mike Pence weighed in on a First-Amendment lawsuit challenging a Bible on display at a New Hampshire veterans hospital, saying under the current administration, "VA hospitals will not be religion-free zones."

"We will always respect the freedom of religion of every veteran of every faith," Pence said in a speech addressing the American Legion National Convention in Indianapolis on Wednesday. "And my message to the New Hampshire VA hospital is this: 'The Bible stays.'"

The military religious freedom foundation that originally objected to the Bible called the president a "repulsive and repellent fundamentalist Christian" bully. ...


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News Item9/8/19 5:05 AM
Dr. Tim | Way Down Yonder  Find all comments by Dr. Tim
Jim Lincoln: a Bible-denying liberal praising a Bible-denying liberal news organization’s review of a Bible-denying liberal’s book. By the way, Balmer, like Jim, says that conservative Christians should not be “politicized,” although the liberal Balmer himself has run for more than one public office and everyone knows that Jim is interested in nothing BUT politics. I might add that Balmer is an Episcopal “priest.” Perhaps he should come out of his own sodomite-supporting, Catholic-copying, unbiblical fake church before presuming to criticize “the religious right.”
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News Item9/7/19 2:35 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
PBS wrote:
First Freedom: The Fight for Religious Liberty is the story of how the most basic of human freedoms - freedom of conscience - was codified for the first time in human history as an inalienable human right protected by law.
from,
https://tinyurl.com/y2ya6558 (First Freedom: The Fight for Religious Liberty)

I just ran across this 1:24 hour video though it was done 2012❗ Most of us us will agree that Samuel Adams had a very healthy opinion of the Romish Church It's excellent❗👍

We can hope that Providence will grant us Freedom of Religion until Christ returns to establish His Kingdom

This is what pluralism meant to the Founding fathers.

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News Item9/4/19 1:48 AM
B. McCausland  Find all comments by B. McCausland
Frank wrote:
Here is what pluralism really means. If someone says that faith in Christ is essential for their individual salvation but not necessarily for someone else’s then they have logically said it wasn’t essential for them, but was simply a matter of personal choice. The world has told us to think this way in all spiritual matters. So it is not uncommon for someone to apply a moral standard to their own lives, but not to the lives of others. That is moral hypocrisy... and simply deludes the lost into reducing God’s moral standards and requirements to personal choices, and if a personal choice then they can’t be binding on anyone. This personal choice fallacy is one of the characteristics that separate the true church of Christ from all others. Pluralism is simply spiritual polygamy.
The true Church is not allowed to claim monopoly of Truth, in exclusion of all lies.
Only is tolerated to proclaim 'their own version' of truth, to the ineffectiveness of evangelism, because "we know that no lie comes out from truth"

I John 2:21
I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth,
but because ye know it,
and that *no lie is of the truth*.

This constitutes the top strategy of the evil one in our day

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News Item9/4/19 12:45 AM
B. McCausland  Find all comments by B. McCausland
Dr. Tim wrote:
George Washington: “O eternal and everlasting God...wash away my sins in the immaculate Blood of the Lamb...Daily frame me more and more into the likeness of Thy Son, Jesus Christ...”
It is known Washington accompanied Mrs Washington to church each Sunday but always left by himself aloof leaving his wife and family there before communion to which the pastor could never pin him down to his death.
Prayers, practice and example can present conflicting evidence.
Deism is known to practice atheism along orthodox beliefs.
Also freemasonry is known to hold to correct statements while practising heathenism.
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News Item9/3/19 10:06 PM
Just Saying  Find all comments by Just Saying
* first seven words of the treaty
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News Item9/3/19 10:05 PM
Just Saying  Find all comments by Just Saying
Had to interject here. To Jim Lincoln. Sorry bro but your argument from Albert Dagar’s quote falls flat in the first seven words. “As the GOVERNMENT of the United States” “as it has IN ITSELF no semblance of enmity” Our government is not allowed to get involved with religion at all. They are not allowed to make any laws respecting any religion. The only thing you are proving is the fact that our founding fathers did not want a state religion. They wanted freedom of religion.
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News Item9/3/19 10:05 PM
Just Saying  Find all comments by Just Saying
Had to interject here. To Jim Lincoln. Sorry bro but your argument from Albert Dagar’s quote falls flat in the first seven words. “As the GOVERNMENT of the United States” “as it has IN ITSELF no semblance of enmity” Our government is not allowed to get involved with religion at all. They are not allowed to make any laws respecting any religion. The only thing you are proving is the fact that our founding fathers did not want a state religion. They wanted freedom of religion.
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News Item9/3/19 7:51 PM
Dr. Tim | Way Down Yonder  Find all comments by Dr. Tim
George Washington: “O eternal and everlasting God...wash away my sins in the immaculate Blood of the Lamb...Daily frame me more and more into the likeness of Thy Son, Jesus Christ...”
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News Item9/3/19 11:11 AM
B. McCausland  Find all comments by B. McCausland
There is no uniformity of belief, Tim, and one example does not represent all.
Find out Franklin's or Washington's beliefs for instance
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News Item9/3/19 9:53 AM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Pence said:

"We will always respect the freedom of religion of every veteran of every faith,"

A politician will always use the term “respect” instead of something like “tolerate”. Respect is a form of adoration. Our country was founded as a pluralistic nation and this is simply what that means.

Here is what pluralism really means. If someone says that faith in Christ is essential for their individual salvation but not necessarily for someone else’s then they have logically said it wasn’t essential for them, but was simply a matter of personal choice. The world has told us to think this way in all spiritual matters. So it is not uncommon for someone to apply a moral standard to their own lives, but not to the lives of others. That is moral hypocrisy of the highest order and simply deludes the lost into reducing God’s moral standards and requirements to personal choices, and if a personal choice then they can’t be binding on anyone. This personal choice fallacy is one of the characteristics that separate the true church of Christ from all others. Pluralism is simply spiritual polygamy. There are lots of worthy husbands and Christ just happens to be the one I chose. But, I’ll sleep with whomever I want!

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News Item9/3/19 8:31 AM
Dr. Tim | Way Down Yonder  Find all comments by Dr. Tim
From the last will and testament of Samuel Adams: “Principally, and first of all, I resign my soul to the Almighty Being who gave it, and my body I commit to the dust, relying on the merits of Jesus Christ for the pardon of my sins.”
Hardly sounds like the words of a mere deist.
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News Item9/3/19 6:37 AM
Buckeyes | USA  Find all comments by Buckeyes
(TMC)
It is always sad to see someone who claims Christ as Lord and Master and who ostensibly believes Psalm 19:7-11; so radically duped by the world that they believe that basing social norms on the sand of Fallen Logic and Pagan Humanism would be a blessing, but basing the norms of society on the Word which spoke the Universe into being, who continues to uphold it with His power, and who IS Justice, would be unjust and a curse!

The only difference between Western society and that developed by head-hunting cannibals is we still have a few wisps of Biblical Law in our legal codes that haven’t yet been eviscerated by Progressives.

“Righteousness exalteth a nation:
but sin is a reproach to **any** people.” ~Proverbs 14:34

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News Item9/3/19 5:21 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
BM, or they were Unitarians such as John Adams❗
A fresh quote from the previous article.
Albert James Dagar, mostly wrote:
.....
...the United States was the first Western Nation to omit explicitly Christian symbolism, such as the cross, from its flag and other national symbols.

Further incidental evidence of the founders' own views is the statement from a treaty with the Islamic nation of Tripoli in 1797. This treaty was negotiated under Washington, ratified by the Senate, and signed by President John Adams. The telling part is a description of religion in America:

"As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion -- as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen [i.e., Muslims] ..., it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries" (The Search for Christian America, p. 131).

Strange stuff for a nation that some like to say was founded as a "Christian" nation! Strange stuff, indeed! But myths die hard, if ever.

excerpt from,

https://tinyurl.com/hkojvpl (Is [was] America a "Christian" Nation?)

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News Item9/3/19 4:09 AM
B. McCausland  Find all comments by B. McCausland
Deists thought of themselves as 'Christians', though not necessarily as what modern born again Christians think
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News Item9/3/19 3:57 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Albert James Dager (mostly) wrote:
When the Continental Congress drafted the Declaration of Independence and later, the Congress formed under the Articles of Confederation drafted the Constitution of the United States of America, no mention was made of Jesus Christ. Rather, the only references to deity in the Declaration of Independence were to "God"; none are in the Constitution. In fact, many of the framers of these documents were anti-Christian, being comprised of Masons and deists of many persuasions.

God does not enter into covenants that do not invoke the name of His Son, so there exists no covenant between the Father and the federal government of the United States, or with any state government. Had the constitutions of all these governments, including the federal government, named faith in Jesus Christ as the principle criterion for holding any elective or appointed office, this would have had to be done in the name of Jesus Christ with full understanding of the true Biblical character of His role as Savior and Lord. This the founders of this nation of sovereign states failed to do. (See Note.)
https://tinyurl.com/y3qz588y

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https://tinyurl.com/hkojvpl (Is [was] America a "Christian" Nation?)
Thankfully, DF, America is a Masonic Republic
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News Item9/2/19 11:01 PM
Dr. Tim | Way Down Yonder  Find all comments by Dr. Tim
Ain’t no way, JAG! They were all possum-eating, goatcart-driving, Independent Fundamental Baptists, and at least eighty percent of them were nicknamed “Bubba.” The other forty percent were math teachers.
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News Item9/2/19 10:16 PM
Just a Guy | Mississippi  Find all comments by Just a Guy
All of every Founding Fathers were deist...

All of them supported universal healthcare...

And all of them sat in their parents basement eating Cheetos as they played the "Call of Democrats" video game...

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News Item9/2/19 10:05 PM
Marty McD | Usa  Find all comments by Marty McD
Jim, can’t you read the Bible? Jesus said his Kindgom was not of this world. He didn’t say it wasn’t for this world. Huge difference. It’s not like mustard seed was planted on Mars. Daniel’s boulder didn’t fill Jupiter after smashing the statue, it filled the earth. Unbelievable quoting Matthew 18 to justify two kingdoms theology, ridiculous.
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News Item9/2/19 9:00 PM
Dr. Tim | Way Down Yonder  Find all comments by Dr. Tim
James Madison: “Religion [is] the basis and Foundation of Government.”
James Madison: “We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not upon the power of government, far from it. We have staked the future of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government; upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God.”
James Madison: “A watchful eye must be kept on ourselves lest while we are building ideal monuments of renown and bliss here we neglect to have our names enrolled in the annals of heaven.”
I find it interesting, Jim, that you are consistently opposed to imposing righteousness on society, but not necessarily against imposing wickedness.
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News Item9/2/19 8:46 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
the Free library wrote:
What The Father Of The Constitution Thought About `Faith-Based' Government Programs

When a bill officially incorporating an Episcopal church in Washington, D.C., reached President James Madison's desk one day in February of 1811, he knew just what to do: reach for a veto pen.

....

It "violates in particular," said Madison, "the article of the Constitution of the United States which declares that `Congress shall make no law respecting a religious establishment.'"

The bill noted that the church would be involved with care of the poor and the education of their children. No public funds were earmarked for these charitable endeavors, but Madison saw the legislative action as a foot-in-the-door for such federal aid to religion. He told Congress the measure was "altogether superfluous if the provision is to be the result of pious charity." He added that the bill could "be a precedent for giving to religious societies as such a legal agency in carrying into effect a public and civil duty."...

--"James Madison on the separation of church and state"👍

https://tinyurl.com/y6nq9g8d

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