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FRONT PAGE  |  9/17/2019
Choice News SUNDAY, SEP 1, 2019  |  15 comments
Two-Thirds Of U.S. Christians Think They Don’t Need To Attend Church. Wrong
A Gallup poll published this year found that Americans’ trust in clergy is at an all-time low. Doctors, teachers, police officers, and even funeral directors all ranked as more trustworthy than pastors.

While I’m not sure what shenanigans an undertaker would have to pull to lose this surprisingly lofty reputation, it’s clear that suspicion toward ministers isn’t merely an aftershock of recent scandals. It’s part of a much larger anti-institutional swing in American religion — one that’s left an unprecedented number of Christians convinced they can practice their faith just fine without the church. In reality, they’re setting themselves up to lose their faith and make their lives worse. ...


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News Item9/3/19 12:20 PM
Douglas Fir | Zones Four to Six  Find all comments by Douglas Fir
Yes, "John" that it right, but some of them might say that 'gathering together' can be an annual retreat at a resort in the mountains in the summer, or in the winter if you like to go skiing.
Or it could be a monthly gathering at a local park, with a 'pot-luck' style lunch or even, in the South, barbeque. This would also comply with the Biblical admonition about the Lord's Supper.
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News Item9/3/19 12:14 PM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
They obviously don't know the biblical admonition to not forsake gathering together for worship.
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News Item9/2/19 10:05 AM
Douglas Fir | Zones Four to Six  Find all comments by Douglas Fir
This story is getting to be repetitive--I had to look at all the comments already posted to make sure I had not already added my 2 cents.
First, let's ask what the poll thinks are Christians---do they include Catholics? I think they do, though many who read this news item here are thinking of people who used to attend their gathering, their church meetings.
Some say that the reason there are so many denominations in the US is that people will leave due to the flimsiest of excuses, like the color of the carpeting in a remodeling job. It is sad to see such divisiveness, though any passerby at this website who picks the news stories with the largest number of posts will find the same, if not worse divisiveness.
So, there are plenty of reasons for people to stop coming to a church gathering.
I have posted before on the Big Error of calling 'church' only the building where the people gather, and not the people, as the Bible teaches us.
But in this news item, the building is what they are referring to.
Some people don't like this 'angle' because is then gives another reason to stop coming to the building and prefer a small group gathering. Yes, that is logical, but there are group dynamics at work in those groups that make you think twice before preferring them as a solution.
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News Item9/1/19 2:34 PM
Adriel  Find all comments by Adriel
Liberalism has destroyed many churches today.
No God - No Bible -No authority. No point?

Liberalism's favourite hobby is to react/rebel against all authority in society. EG::
Church.
Which is ultimately against God.
Moral standards.
Marriage.
Law and order.
Education.

Satan is contriving to destroy society and bring anarchy into being since chaos is his style. Relativism in Liberalism in every facet of community organisation makes life more chaotic and disrupts decent life in community.

All part of a fallen world.

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News Item9/1/19 2:24 PM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
Hello Frank, if I might attempt to answer at least one of your questions.

Yesterday, a 22 year old racing driver died in a crash in Formula 2 Belgium. The usual temporary sadnesses materialised, before it was "back to work as usual" as there are other races. One of the common remarks was Rest In Peace (RIP), and it got me thinking about what on earth are they thinking when they say that? Do they imagine there is life after death? That maybe there could be trauma or trouble after death, and so they wish for the person to have peace? Do they actually think about what they are saying? Does it mean anything, or is it just "the done thing", the "right thing to say"?

Now all three pastors ought to have the same answer, bro. And we can see if they are correct by checking the scripture.

So all three say that there is no peace for the wicked, especially after death; and that there is rest for every person who has trusted Christ as his Saviour and Lord, especially after death.

We check the scriptures and find clear biblical warrant for what they said.

Does that answer any of the questions, bro?

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News Item9/1/19 1:12 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
I didn't read the article, so this is probably off topic.

What if pastor A taught a truth, pastor B disagreed with him and taught the same passage differently and pastor C taught his concept of the same truth. As we all know this is very common in today’s world, so which pastor was correct and how does the body of Christ determine who was correct?

If we are called to account for our service, will any of us tell Christ; but my pastor said this?

We are all called individually to study to show ourselves approved.

Among other things a pastor is called to be able to teach doctrines, not to have more knowledge. A pastor will give an account of what “he” did and said, but so will all of us.

2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Matthew 6:14 And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets. 15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?

Matthew 23:11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant. 12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.

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News Item9/1/19 11:39 AM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
The dilemma seems to be, the only churches worthy of fellowship are those in which all believe in Biblical truth. Yet such people (as I've seen at SermonAudio) tend to be opinionated and contentious unless everyone agrees to shut up and let the pastor have the last word, which can open the door to doctrinal error unless he's held to account. Like society at large, civilized disagreement appears to be out of reach; to get along, one must be (or seem) indifferent, which God condemns!

As a result, there has been a lot of churn in our membership over the years, causing us to lose friends. Some departures were for what seemed like trivial reasons. It's like entropy, everyone flying apart from each other.

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News Item9/1/19 11:36 AM
Wayfarer pilgrim | Lubbock, Tx  Find all comments by Wayfarer pilgrim
Our American culture strikes a definitive viewpoint that “ you’re very important “. We’re an earbud society, “ I’m all about my music, my thoughts and only me”. People don’t want to be responsible to a faithful group of Christians. My parents stopped going to church when I was 15years old. I wish my dad would have attended church. Before it was called bullying, it was called “ picked on”. I was that guy, not invited, shunned, and ostracized. That was youth groups in the 1960’s and 1970’s.
If anything could be done in church, I would eliminate all youth groups and stop segregating church members by age, sex from the fellowship of the church. Churches are in decline because preaching is not the focus but entertaining the lost is.
If the church is to recover from experts , it needs to stop being about coffee and about the Bible.
We visited a church, came in late and was told, “ Pastor is on his T.V sermon, he doesn’t want to have any interruptions, sit here and drink our free coffee “ I asked, when can we come in? They said , Oh, I’m sorry the service is closed to visitors “
Stop entertaining, return to the gospel and the deliverance of salvation by the Holy Spirit of God.
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News Item9/1/19 10:33 AM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
Dr. Tim wrote:
John, I see your point, but if a man has to be completely right all of the time to be a pastor, we may as well abolish the position and be done with it.
Tim, if a man claiming to be a pastor cannot understand the simple passages of scripture like the one below, how then shall he teach the more difficult passages?

1 Corinthians 12:18-21 KJV
(18)  But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him.
(19)  And if they were all one member, where were the body?
(20)  But now are they many members, yet but one body.
(21)  And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.

Besides, what would you do if your pastor took you aside one day and said, "You need the church, Tim, but the church doesn't need you."

Would you not seek a church with a pastor who knew what he was talking about?

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News Item9/1/19 10:10 AM
Dr. Tim | Way Down Yonder  Find all comments by Dr. Tim
John, I see your point, but if a man has to be completely right all of the time to be a pastor, we may as well abolish the position and be done with it.
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News Item9/1/19 9:04 AM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
The title of the article is misleading, and again implies that church is an institution which people attend.

The apostle Paul and any simple Bible believer understands that a local collection of believers is designed to meet together regularly, for the simple fact that each person has been gifted by the Holy Spirit (comparable to the different parts of the human body - 1 Corinthians 12) and is required for the body to work correctly in the will of God.

The opposite is a bit like an eye separating itself from your natural body and looking at the rest of your body and saying, "I am fine, and I don't need the rest of you."

I remember hearing a Baptist pastor saying, "You need the church, but the church doesn't need you." Of course he was half right and half wrong, and I believe he ought never to have been in the pastorate.

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News Item9/1/19 7:10 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Dr Tim Wrote:
"Christopher wants to be buried in his shopping cart. He’d prefer to die first, but with the odor he puts off it’s hard to say whether he’s dead or not. If he’s snoring, let him be."

Now, why is it that I always seem to be the focus of your rage? I've never been anything but supportive, honest, and kind. I've even tried to council you, concerning your appearance; trying to convince you that it's not your fault, and that it's okay that you're not counted amongst the normal people. I've never teased you about your forest clearing, wildlife killing, odor, or your left eye that's always looking towards the sky. Yet, my thanks is incessant insults. I don't get it. I'm the one person who has tried to understand, and empathize with your kind.

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News Item9/1/19 6:04 AM
the unwelcome believer | at Jesus' feet  Find all comments by the unwelcome believer
If Jesus isn't welcome, neither am I.
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News Item9/1/19 4:12 AM
G. Bird | Devon, England  Find all comments by G. Bird
From the article: “the Bible is pretty clear, in both the Old and New Testaments, that Christians must “Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy”

But is it actually pretty clear? Having read the excellent book “Perspectives on the Sabbath” I think the author of this piece is deluded.

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News Item9/1/19 12:09 AM
Dr. Tim | Way Down Yonder  Find all comments by Dr. Tim
Christopher wants to be buried in his shopping cart. He’d prefer to die first, but with the odor he puts off it’s hard to say whether he’s dead or not. If he’s snoring, let him be.
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