100's of congregations joining conservative United Methodist association
In an interview with The Christian Post, Ford said that Mission Charlottesville was built on â€śa missional model,â€ť with the aim of maintaining â€śWesleyan theology,â€ť and to be overseen by a team â€ścomprised of those gifted by the Holy Spirit to serve as apostle, prophet, evangelist, pastor, teacher, and exhorter, to the end of making disciples of Jesus Christ for the advancement of the kingdom of God.â€ť
Ford also explained that while he is no longer an ordained UMC clergyman, he and his church maintain a connection to a fairly new theologically conservative United Methodist group known as the Wesleyan Covenant Association....
In terms of what the term 'church' means, I found today another article about how important socializing is for health, from a secular perspective. Link is in the little house symbol above this message. This means that people who do not believe in God have to admit that what we do on Sundays in terms of gathering together is good for our health---and they are missing out, but you might want to watch your local news or social media to see them create their own 'secular' gatherings on Sundays.
Frank wrote: To build on your points, I believe the closer we get to the return of Christ, we will see even more of these false churches uniting. One day it will not be permissible for a genuine church of our Lord to even fellowship publicly. Luke 18:8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth? Hope your day will be blessed brother.
Thank you brother. I have believed for some years that what we know as the ecumenical movement is a work of Satan and is filling up with - as you say - false churches. I do not see how any Christian or Christian church can possibly belong to such an obviously apostate movement, except it be sheer lack of discernment, or by being bowled over with lovey dovey sentimentality and desire to see the Christian church in the ascendancy by numbers.
I myself will have to remain aloof from such people, holding firmly to the fundamentals of the word of God, including 6 day creation, the theme of the whole Bible being redemption of sinners by the blood of Christ, his resurrection and ascension, and justification through faith alone, alone, alone in Jesus Christ alone.
What does it mean to say 'church' today? In this article, it seems to be the buildings where people meet, and the people who gather there. But the Bible does not envision such a thing, but talks about people raising families and being the body of Christ. In fact, it gives many guidelines and rules for families that also relate to the church. That's why I like to bring up I Timothy 5, which we could subtitle, "God's Will for the Older Christian Woman." First, she is a widow, (even today 96 percent of all people get married), and should be taken care of by her own family. If they cannot do so, then she should be taken care of by the church, provided she meets certain 'work requirements' like doing good deeds, 'washing the feet of the saints' (which we can extend to today as doing very humble tasks). If she is younger, she should marry and raise children. Other areas in the Bible have verses that talk about the care of widows, such as James saying real religion is to take care of widows in their distress.
John UK wrote: Endtime apostasy? Doctrines of devils?
To build on your points, I believe the closer we get to the return of Christ, we will see even more of these false churches uniting. One day it will not be permissible for a genuine church of our Lord to even fellowship publicly.
Luke 18:8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?
Well this group adheres to doctrines accepted by the Wesleyan Covenant Association. This group says this:
Scripture teaches that men and women are of equal value in the eyes of God. Accordingly, the church should treat women and men equally. We believe that both women and men are called to and gifted for ordained and licensed ministry, and both genders are able to hold any role of leadership within the WCA.
And yet they also say this:
Marriage and Sexuality
We believe marriage and sexual intimacy are good gifts from God. In keeping with Christian teaching through the ages and throughout the Church universal, we believe that marriage is the uniting of one man and one woman in a single, exclusive union. We believe that God intends faithfulness in marriage and celibacy in singleness.
Now all of us wrestle with contradiction and a level of hypocrisy, but they cannot build on this foundation. And I am assuming they also adhere to works based salvation as in known among Wesleyans.
Why would any genuine Christian group want to join them. (rhetorical)
Discount any organization that supports the ideas that there are prophets and apostles today
John MacArthur wrote: .... From its inception at Pentecost the church has been indebted to the apostles, through whom Christ established the fullness of New Testament doctrine (see Acts 2:42). Those uniquely called and empowered men recorded Godâ€™s final revelation as He revealed it to them.
The prophets, though they did not usually receive direct revelation from God, nevertheless were greatly instrumental in building up and strengthening the early church. Both apostles and prophets have passed from the scene (Eph. 2:20), but the foundation they laid is that on which all of Christâ€™s church has been built.