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FRONT PAGE  |  9/15/2019
FRIDAY, AUG 23, 2019  |  12 comments
Trump Right: 14th Amendment Did Not Guarantee Birthright Citizenship
The 14th Amendment was actually designed to make citizens of the former slaves freed by the 13th Amendment in 1865, and thus guarantee that they would enjoy all the rights of American citizenship. The phrase “and subject to the jurisdiction thereof” has, of course, been ignored by those promoting the concept of open borders. Clearly, the framers of the 14th Amendment intended that only children “born subject to the jurisdiction thereof” that is, the jurisdiction of the United States, are considered natural-born citizens. This would, by the clear wording of the amendment, not include the children of illegal aliens or “birth tourists,” because they are still under the jurisdiction of foreign governments.

Senator Jacob Merritt Howard of Michigan, an author of the 14th Amendment, said during the discussions over the effects of the amendment, “This will not, of course, include persons born in the United ...


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News Item8/27/19 3:19 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Ah, remember all the efforts to get Catholic Supreme Court Justices to oppose abortion? Guess what? The same Justices will torpedo any effort to do in birthright ❗
United States Conference of Catholic Bishops wrote:
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Position of the Catholic Church

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The Church opposes the repeal of birthright citizenship because it would render innocent children stateless, depriving them of the ability to thrive in their communities and reach their full potential. The Church believes that a repeal of birthright citizenship would create a permanent underclass in U.S. society, contravening U.S. democratic tradition; undermining the human dignity of innocent children who would be punished though they did nothing wrong; and ultimately weakening the family. Because of this, the Church opposes the current efforts underway for its repeal.

excerpt from, "The Catholic Church's Position on Birthright Citizenship"

https://tinyurl.com/yyh9ntvn

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News Item8/25/19 1:53 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
I probably forgot to mention that there was a four-letter word or something like that in the original article - I hope that didn't upset you though Timothy the following Wikipedia article I believe is rather tame considering the topic matter.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_King (Republican representative Steve King from Iowa's 4th district)

A Republican that strongly agrees with President Trump.

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News Item8/24/19 3:54 PM
Dr. Tim | Land of Cotton  Find all comments by Dr. Tim
Still hold the world record for inappropriate comments, eh Jiminy?
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News Item8/24/19 2:55 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
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News Item8/23/19 10:20 PM
Unprofitable Servant | TN  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
Looks like about 195 countries so around 85% don't allow birthright citizenship and the US should be part of that number because the 14th amendment was never intended to be interpreted that way.
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News Item8/23/19 3:59 PM
Unprofitable Servant | TN  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
33 countries out of hundreds maybe thousands is not an impressive statistic except for Jim
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News Item8/23/19 3:46 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
UPS, apparently people shouldn't skip my link as explained below

Douglas Fir, at least 30 countries have birthright laws, you really should read the article.

https://tinyurl.com/yck8ykq4 (US birthright citizenship explained: What is it, how many people benefit")

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News Item8/23/19 11:44 AM
Douglas Fir | Zones Four to Six  Find all comments by Douglas Fir
Certain Supreme Court Justices, and other liberals, like to talk about other countries' laws. Well, in this case, you will find it hard to find a country anywhere in the world with such a policy that the US has.
Take Japan, for instance. Here's a country in dire need of workers for all kinds of jobs, residents to live in its small towns, yet they persist in having one of the most strict immigration laws in the world. Recently, changes were proposed to those laws, to give workers a 5-yr permit, and they were faced with public opposition, especially from intellectuals. The NHK story I saw on this did not go into details of why they were opposed to it. They are a very strange people, very smart but very separate; I think they believe they are superior to any other Asian people. And very few of them are Christians; most are not religious but do follow some strange ritual practices, kinda like what baseball players do in the US (very superstitious, I don't know if a Christian could be a baseball player surrounded by such strange rituals)
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News Item8/23/19 11:11 AM
Just a Guy | Mississippi  Find all comments by Just a Guy
I personally never liked the idea of citizenship based on birth location...

You would think people would just cross the border and give birth to a child to make it harder to be forced to leave. Oh that's right that is what they are doing...

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News Item8/23/19 10:30 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Unprofitable Servant wrote:
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In other words, those who are born in the United States “under the jurisdiction thereof” would only include those whose parents are American citizens themselves, or those whose parents have placed themselves under U.S. jurisdiction — legal residents
Thanks, US. Refreshing to hear unrevised history for a change. You have described me, a first gen American. Having input from my immigrant Dad and grandparents, I have both an understanding from their experience, and wanting myself to understand the American way, studied much of our unusual origination. It would be better if taught in school from the original documents and founders perspective, instead of revisionist tradition.
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News Item8/23/19 9:06 AM
Unprofitable Servant | TN  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
You can skip Jim's link and read what the author of the amendment wrote (from article)

The 14th Amendment was actually designed to make citizens of the former slaves freed by the 13th Amendment in 1865, and thus guarantee that they would enjoy all the rights of American citizenship. The phrase “and subject to the jurisdiction thereof” has, of course, been ignored by those promoting the concept of open borders. Clearly, the framers of the 14th Amendment intended that only children “born subject to the jurisdiction thereof” that is, the jurisdiction of the United States, are considered natural-born citizens. This would, by the clear wording of the amendment, not include the children of illegal aliens or “birth tourists,” because they are still under the jurisdiction of foreign governments.

Senator Jacob Merritt Howard of Michigan, an author of the 14th Amendment, said during the discussions over the effects of the amendment, “This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners.”

In other words, those who are born in the United States “under the jurisdiction thereof” would only include those whose parents are American citizens themselves, or those whose parents have placed themselves under U.S. jurisdiction — legal residents

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News Item8/23/19 5:42 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Alan Gomez wrote:
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In practice, it has become a bedrock of U.S. immigration law that has allowed anybody born in the U.S. to become citizens. Congress also has passed laws extending birthright citizenship to people born in U.S. territories, including Puerto Rico, Guam and the U.S. Virgin Islands....

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How many people benefit?

Citizenship was granted to about 275,000 babies born to undocumented immigrant parents in 2014, representing about 7 percent of all births in the country that year, according to an analysis by the nonpartisan Pew Research Center....

--"US birthright citizenship explained: What is it, how many people benefit"

https://tinyurl.com/yck8ykq4

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