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FRONT PAGE  |  9/18/2019
SUNDAY, JUL 28, 2019  |  23 comments
South Carolina Judge Rules That Schools Must Disclaim Students Who Pray at Graduation
A decision by a South Carolina judge has delimited the role of prayer in school graduation ceremonies.

U.S. District Judge Bruce Howe Hendricks, an Obama-era appointee, ruled on Thursday that Greenville County Schools cannot sponsor the prayers of individual students by asking the audience to bow their heads or seeming to show support in any way for the act of faith.

“The district and/or school officials shall not encourage, promote, advance, endorse, or participate in causing prayers during any graduation ceremony,” Henricks wrote. “In the event that a student’s remarks contain prayer, no school officials shall join in or otherwise participate in the prayer.” ...


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News Item8/1/19 12:04 PM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
John UK wrote:
Is there a biblical warrant for graduation ceremonies?
And just what in your opinion is so unbiblical about graduation ceremonies?
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News Item7/30/19 3:23 AM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
And may the Lord also bless you richly, brother US.
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News Item7/30/19 3:16 AM
Unprofitable Servant | TN  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
John UK wrote:
Is there a biblical warrant for graduation ceremonies?
Sure John look in Matthew 25 at the parable of the talents, when they servants had done well, they were commended by the Lord.

Paul said he finished His course, and henceforth there was laid up a crown of righteousness for him.

In the Old Testament in the book of Esther chapter 2 after a year the candidates to replace the queen graduated from prep school and one was rewarded for doing it the best.

In the book of Daniel 1 the students spent 3 years in school and the Bible says

18 Now at the end of the days that the king had said he should bring them in, then the prince of the eunuchs brought them in before Nebuchadnezzar.
19 And the king communed with them; and among them all was found none like Daniel, Hananiah, Mishael, and Azariah: therefore stood they before the king.
20 And in all matters of wisdom and understanding, that the king enquired of them, he found them ten times better than all the magicians and astrologers that were in all his realm.

There is a Biblical principle to acknowledge accomplishments of those that have done well. Even when the disciples dropped the ball, our Lord commended their willing spirit.

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News Item7/30/19 3:02 AM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
The Quiet Christian wrote:
John UK, I agree that a debate over the Regulative Principle of Worship isn't valuable nor a debate over where and when that principle applies. The WSC Q&A #2 states, in summary, that the only rule for how we may glorify and enjoy the Lord is the Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments. The question we are leaving on the table is how the only rule is applied.
Well done, John UK. I appreciate your restraint, sir. And may the Lord bless you richly.
And may the Lord also bless you richly, brother.
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News Item7/30/19 12:49 AM
The Quiet Christian  Find all comments by The Quiet Christian
John UK, I agree that a debate over the Regulative Principle of Worship isn't valuable nor a debate over where and when that principle applies. The WSC Q&A #2 states, in summary, that the only rule for how we may glorify and enjoy the Lord is the Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments. The question we are leaving on the table is how the only rule is applied.

Well done, John UK. I appreciate your restraint, sir. And may the Lord bless you richly.

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News Item7/29/19 9:59 AM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
The Quiet Christian wrote:
That leaves us in a bit of a quandry, aren't we, Bro? The Lord left us in this world with a need to continue on making the best choices we can. Should we celebrate the completion of a course of study? I believe some churches have special thanksgiving services for their high school graduates. I feel that is appropriate.
Bro, once again, our view of what a church is, and how it is to work, are at odds. I won't go on about it, just registering my disagreement with unbiblical practices within the context of a local church, and which could be construed as "Mystery - Babylon" or other such descriptions, such as "slowly becoming apostate" or "already apostate".
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News Item7/28/19 8:42 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
I know there must be constitutional authorization for a federal judge to rule on religion somewhere, but darned if I can find it there. The Bill of Rights Amendment 1 keeps getting in the way.
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News Item7/28/19 6:23 PM
The Quiet Christian  Find all comments by The Quiet Christian
...using hard work to achieve His own ends.
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News Item7/28/19 6:21 PM
The Quiet Christian  Find all comments by The Quiet Christian
Indeed I was, John UK, speaking nonsense! Still, we don't really know if they celebrated any kind of progress or graduation from the school because none is mentioned. In fact, I doubt anyone really ever "graduated" as if they were somehow beyond the fellowship. Yes, I did make an argument based on nonsense. I have a strange sense of humor sometimes. Thank you for your patience with it.

But I'm sure Jesus paid the appropriate tax for using toll roads, based on the plurality of publicans. On eThe rest of the local regulations and customs the Bible often is silent.

That leaves us in a bit of a quandry, aren't we, Bro? The Lord left us in this world with a need to continue on making the best choices we can. Should we celebrate the completion of a course of study? I believe some churches have special thanksgiving services for their high school graduates. I feel that is appropriate. When a milestone in life is reached, we fail to recognize the One by Whom such an accomplishment came if we fail to give thanks to the Lord, be that public or private. At the same time, the ending is a beginning and seeking the Lord for His guidance and overwatch of that next leg of life's journey is the only right thing as nothing is gained on our own. Instead, the Lord works thru our hard work, usi

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News Item7/28/19 3:54 PM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
The Quiet Christian wrote:
Did the schools of the prophets in the days of Elijah and Elisha hold graduation ceremonies? Should that have a bearing in a celebration of the competition of a course of education?
QC I am not aware of a plurality of schools for prophets. And I believe you are speaking nonsense (with respect, bro) to imagine that Spirit-filled prophets of Almighty God should have a graduation ceremony, with certificates given of worthiness to prophesy, wearing funny little hats which they threw in the air, and gained respect from the world for their high qualifications.

You already know that you are clutching at straws, bringing the passage from 1 Samuel as a possible example, because there is nothing there to go on.

But I do agree with you that "principles" are the chief thing. The Bible gives us principles or clear commands, and time gaps have to be taken into account. Did Jesus mostly walk everywhere? Did he occasionally ride a donkey? Did he have a licence to ride donkeys? Did he have insurance against accidents? Was he taxed for using a highway? Was there a speed limit to how fast his donkey could go? Could his donkey eat grass from the side of the road?

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News Item7/28/19 3:14 PM
The Quiet Christian  Find all comments by The Quiet Christian
Doea the Bible lay out specifically the boundaries of day to day activities or does it lay out principles for living today considering that we are 2,000+ years since most of it was written?

Did the schools of the prophets in the days of Elijah and Elisha hold graduation ceremonies? Should that have a bearing in a celebration of the competition of a course of education?

Either way, if we do all things as if they were unto the Lord, then prayer at a minimum would be appropriate.

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News Item7/28/19 3:08 PM
The Quiet Christian  Find all comments by The Quiet Christian
I see your point, John UK, but disagree to an extent. Having served in the US military, I once had a rank that was above some and under others. The key points I took away were that I always was responsible to someone. Even those with a title of any kind are still responsible to some entity, but particularly the Lord. My rank or title was not to enrich or glorify myself but to be a servant to those above, below, and at same level. Consider the centurian who asked for healing from Jesus. Whether or not these church positions are Biblical are another matter.

As far as traditions go, I also see your point. Not sure I agree. I think it comes down to how the Bible is viewed.

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News Item7/28/19 11:33 AM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
Christopher000 wrote:
John UK Wrote:
"Any help? Or do you need more?"
Thanks John, and no, I think we're good. I was looking/hoping for what I quoted you on below, which wrapped the whole thing up for me. Thanks.
"I'm sure different believers will have different thoughts on this, but to my mind,..."
Great, that's good, Christopher.

And if you ever want to extend those thoughts to the realm of christendom, you can see why I deny the use of so-called titles, as, Reverend, Right Reverend, Bishop, Archbishop, Cardinal, Rector, Father, Pope, even Pastor, Elder (as the Mormons have it), Superintendent, and any other title given to men, quite contrary to the whole tenor of the scriptures, where even an apostle is called simply Paul, or Simon Peter, or Barnabas et al.

The problem always stems from the sinful heart of man, who always wishes to portray himself as better than he really is, when the Bible says we are nothing. Galatians 6:3

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News Item7/28/19 10:47 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
John UK Wrote:

"Any help? Or do you need more?"

Thanks John, and no, I think we're good. I was looking/hoping for what I quoted you on below, which wrapped the whole thing up for me. Thanks.

"I'm sure different believers will have different thoughts on this, but to my mind,..."

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News Item7/28/19 9:14 AM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
Hi Christopher, yes I can see your question most clearly, and it is a great question, probably rhetoric, which means you are giving an answer yourself within the very question.

If you want a definitive answer, this is not so easy to give, because what you're really asking is: John, can you provide definite rules for life, just the same as the Pharisees did in the time of Jesus? What they did was to take the commandments, and they added to them, thusly in one swoop they lost the whole spirit of the thing, the principles involved, the actual mind of God. And Jesus rebuked them for doing that.

My comment referred specifically to a ceremony, but of course it goes deeper than that. It is to do with man-made accolades, man awarding man a certain qualification, after the man has been teaching the man how to pass an examination or write a successful thesis.

I'm sure different believers will have different thoughts on this, but to my mind, to have titles either before or after your name is tantamount to competing with God; it is self-elevation; it is pride-enhancing. The UK's Westminster has a "House of Lords"; but there is only ONE LORD, ONE FAITH, ONE BAPTISM. Ephesians 4:5

Any help? Or do you need more?

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News Item7/28/19 8:43 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
John UK Wrote:

'The answer is "yes".'

Thanks John. The following might sound flippant, at first glance, but I can assure you that's it's not. I'm just trying to get a handle on whether or not you draw a line at manmade ceremonies and holidays, etc., as you've argued in the past, or if anything at all that's not expressly written; mentioned, or approved of, etc., in God's Word, is your mindset.

How about owning and driving a car, or owning and playing games? How about the intangible, such as having fun, debating topics which have nothing to do with scripture, or clapping as an expression of worldly approval or congratulations? How about running a foot race, camping, or travelling abroad for a relaxing vacation? How about owning a radio and listening to the news, having a hobby, or exercising; working out? How about having a dessert, following dinner, motorcycling, or teaching a pet to do tricks? How about having a birthday party, just for the fun of it, having a yardsale, going shopping, or playing a piano?

I can go on and on, but you see where I'm going with this. Do you draw the line at manmade traditions, of any sort, or anything at all in life that the Bible doesn't cover, outright?

Again, not trying to be flippant in any way...

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News Item7/28/19 7:36 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
The judge has no authority to speak on the subject, and if the people were wise, they would act accordingly.
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News Item7/28/19 6:44 AM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
Christopher000 wrote:
John UK Wrote:
"Is there a biblical warrant for graduation ceremonies?"
Good morning, John...do you feel one is needed?
Good morning Christopher! I hope you are happy and well today.

The answer is "yes".

Mystics and others say, "No, we get our direction directly from 'God'."

Atheists and others say, "No, we do what we like."

The rest say, "No, but I don't know why the answer is no."

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News Item7/28/19 6:27 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
John UK Wrote:
"Is there a biblical warrant for graduation ceremonies?"

Good morning, John...do you feel one is needed?

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News Item7/28/19 6:04 AM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
Is there a biblical warrant for graduation ceremonies?
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