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FRONT PAGE  |  6/19/2019
Choice News SATURDAY, MAY 25, 2019  |  20 comments
Kenya's high court unanimously upholds ban on gay sex
Kenya's high court on Friday upheld a law banning gay sex, keeping same sex relations punishable by 14 years in jail in the East African nation and drawing strong criticism from the United Nations and rights activists.

Same-sex relationships are a crime in more than 70 countries around the world, almost half of them in Africa. Neighboring Uganda once enacted a law imposing a life sentence for certain acts of gay sex although it was later nullified by court.

South Africa is the only African nation to have legalized gay marriage. ...

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News Item5/26/19 10:23 AM
Carl in Raleigh | North Carolina  Contact via emailFind all comments by Carl in Raleigh
Because of this, God gave them over to dishonorable passions, for their women exchanged their natural functions for what is against nature. Likewise, the males also left their natural function with women and burned in their lust for one another. These were males who did with males what is indecent, and who received in themselves the penalty that was due their perversion.
(Rom 1:26-27)

I see the penalties given by governments as cautionary to avoid the more severe penalty given by God. If left unchecked homosexuality not only leads to the self-destruction of the individual but to their families, cities (Sodom), and eventually entire nations. I still remember the tragedy of the married lesbians hating their lives so much that they drive off a cliff in California with their adopted children inside. Or the men with HIV who purposefully infected both men and women. Righteousness exalts a people, not shameful acts cloaked in the mantle of tolerance.


News Item5/26/19 8:16 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Aside from the abomination of the natural order of things that God set up, they do kill, indirectly, and many even murder. Many carry a life ending disease, and will remain promiscuous, even knowing they are infected. STD's are one thing, but AIDS is still an epidemic that you would think has been all but cured, because political correctness forbids speaking of it any longer, and even physicians are forbidden from telling patients that their lifestyle of choice may very well kill them, and others. I remember the story of one primary care physician, who warned a patient of his, a year or two ago, that his lifestyle may kill him. The patient filed a complaint to the hospital's board, telling them that the Doctor's comment scared him, and disrupted his sleep from worry. The hospital put the Doctor on notice, with a stern warning that he no longer voice such concerns to any of his patients. Crazy day.

Anyway, the sodomites should face legal ramifications for the things they do in secret, because not only are their deeds an abomination of the highest order, but they are spreading death in their wake.


News Item5/26/19 3:14 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
The Quiet Christian wrote:
YIA, I doubt there isn't a person here who wishes the Lord would share His mercy through grace by faith in Christ with these people and every other sinner as well.
Charles Wesley wrote a poem about this desire to see all men saved.

Jesus! the name high over all, In hell, or earth, or sky:
Angels and men before it fall, And devils fear and fly.

Jesus! the name to sinners dear, The name to sinners giv'n;
It scatters all their guilty fear, It turns their hell to heav'n.

Jesus! the pris'ner's fetters breaks, And bruises Satan's head;
Power into strengthless souls it speaks, And life into the dead.

O that the world might taste and see The riches of His grace;
The arms of love that compass me Would all mankind embrace.

His only righteousness I show, His saving truth proclaim;
'Tis all my bus'ness here below To cry, "Behold the Lamb!"

Happy, if with my latest breath I may but gasp His name;
Preach Him to all, and cry in death, "Behold, behold the Lamb!"


News Item5/26/19 12:46 AM
The Quiet Christian  Find all comments by The Quiet Christian
YIA, I doubt there isn't a person here who wishes the Lord would share His mercy through grace by faith in Christ with these people and every other sinner as well.

News Item5/26/19 12:45 AM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Youth in Asia wrote:
What you all said is true. I guess I'm playing the part of the church, and feel sad for any homosexual who does not receive mercy.
Thanks YIA.

The only issue I addressed was the fairness of the penalty our Lord established for homosexuality; not whether or not any country should impose it. That is a different topic altogether. It appeared to me you were saying that death for homosexuals was somehow unfair and of course that isn’t true. That was my only point.


News Item5/25/19 11:47 PM
Youth in Asia | Asia  Find all comments by Youth in Asia
What you all said is true. I guess I'm playing the part of the church, and feel sad for any homosexual who does not receive mercy.

News Item5/25/19 11:16 PM
Marty McD | Usa  Find all comments by Marty McD
YIA, QC is correct. God made different jurisdictions. You’re conflating two different authorities. The civil minister is appointed by God to punish evil and reward good. The church is called to give grace, mercy, discipline, and the sacraments. A pastors job isn’t a kings job, and a kings job isn’t a pastors job.

News Item5/25/19 10:53 PM
The Quiet Christian  Find all comments by The Quiet Christian
Whether we approve of the criminal code in an African nation or not, one thing is for certain. The Lord established that government to fulfill His purposes. Another thing that is certain is that it is sinful because it is made up of people, and every person on this earth is a sinner apart from Christ. A third thing that is certain is how the Lord has described homosexual activity, attractions, etc, and He absolutely does not approve. And the fourth thing is that almost no one on this forum will be impacted by any law in Kenya, because we're unlikely to ever go there as missionaries, tourists, or for any other reason.

Why Kenya has this law, how it came about, and the rationale behind maintaining it has not been revealed to me. As a result, it is difficult to not point back to the OT Law and say, "thus sayeth the Lord..." But Wayfarer took the effort to explain this, and based on his explanation, the law simply makes sense, both from the Biblical standpoint as well as common sense.


News Item5/25/19 10:44 PM
The Quiet Christian  Find all comments by The Quiet Christian
Both sides have valid points here. If I may add that the church is not the government and the government is not the church. They have two distinct roles.

There is such a thing as a criminal code that is separate from the OT Law. That's true in every nation on this earth today, from the human standpoint of course. Not one jot or tittle will pass away...

Criminal codes are constructed and maintained by the governments that impose them. In the case of the OT Law, the Lord Himself was the King and put a criminal code in place to address evil and sin as a portion of the Law.

How we may treat an unregenate person in our neighborhood, school, workplace, etc is a separate issue from how the government may treat them, depending. We all are fallen short of the glory of God, needing Jesus covering every minute. I, for one, cannot cast the first stone. But I am supportive of capital punishment. Does that make me a hypocrite? Perhaps, and perhaps just more evidence I need Jesus.


News Item5/25/19 10:26 PM
Youth in Asia | Asia  Find all comments by Youth in Asia
We are commanded to love our neighbor, when agape love is present it does not move us in the direction to condemn our neighbor, or to cheat our neighbor, 

but to see that justice is served, we need to be sensitive to that first and foremost, to dish out justice that is also filled with mercy. 

Sending or killing these people is not mercy, in fact in the long run it will be a grave mistake when they decide to take revenge. 

And besides that, these Kenyan leaders are just as ungodly as the homosexuals, filled with all manner of sin, and ruled by the powers of Satan. They work with Islam, and all these unbiblical arch bishops for goodness sake! Biblically we are told they practice all sorts of Immoral sins, so expecting theocracy in a fallen world is foolish.

All these responses to sentence these people to death show us the hearts nature desire to defraud, cheat, and corrupt everything. Prison will get them nothing, certainly death will get them nothing. The only thing that will work is to show them forgiveness, mercy, and grace of Jesus Christ. 

"And as they continued to ask him, he stood up and said to them, "Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her." And once more he bent down and wrote on the ground. But when they heard it, they we


News Item5/25/19 2:27 PM
Douglas Fir | Zones Four to Six  Find all comments by Douglas Fir
Wow! How amazing! The Kenyans, not exactly living in a quiet and peaceful kingdom, are able to make better moral judgements than Baptists connected to Baylor University.
Now let me think--what was I saving $$ in a college account for? to send my kids to some fancy expensive private college like Baylor?

News Item5/25/19 12:29 PM
Marty McD | usa  Find all comments by Marty McD
Youth in Asia wrote:
I just don't think it's right to kill (or in this case 14 years in an African jail) if the other party didn't steal, or murder anyone.
"2:12 For all who have sinned without the law will also perish without the law, and all who have sinned under the law will be judged by the law. 13 For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but the doers of the law who will be justified. 14 For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law."

"3:19 Now we know that whatever the law says it speaks to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be stopped, and the whole world may be held accountable to God. 20 For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin."


News Item5/25/19 12:06 PM
Wayfarer pilgrim | Lubbock, Tx  Find all comments by Wayfarer pilgrim
The African rape culture is what is at heart here.Raping your children into adulthood or raping the stranger in your village as payment for a desired object or raping a bought sex slave is what the Kenyan court is trying to address this and the tribal divisions brought by Islam and AIDS that has been devastating to Africa. Western practices have enslaved and persecuted Africa for centuries, legalization of sodomy is a western value.

News Item5/25/19 10:57 AM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Youth in Asia wrote:
I just don't think it's right to kill (or in this case 14 years in an African jail) if the other party didn't steal, or murder anyone.
I think I understand your thoughts on this. Anyway, I would simply say that our heavenly Father said that homosexuality and murder among other things were to be punished by death; that was His judgment. Yes, we don’t live in a theocracy, but scripture does show us what our moral positions should be and that was the judgment of God. If His judgment, then it must be perfectly just.

Thanks for your response.


News Item5/25/19 10:46 AM
Dr. Tim | Land of Cotton  Find all comments by Dr. Tim
So YIA do you think stealing and murder should be the only things that are illegal? The Old Testament says sodomites are to be executed. The New Testament says they are worthy of death. Should we go by what we think, or by what God says? Fourteen years sounds pretty merciful to me.

News Item5/25/19 10:21 AM
Youth in Asia | Asia  Find all comments by Youth in Asia
I just don't think it's right to kill (or in this case 14 years in an African jail) if the other party didn't steal, or murder anyone.

News Item5/25/19 9:59 AM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
YIA, is this you?

From Wiki.

Libertarianism (from Latin: libertas, meaning "freedom") is a collection of political philosophies and movements that uphold liberty as a core principle.[1] Libertarians seek to maximize political freedom and autonomy, emphasizing freedom of choice, voluntary association, and individual judgment.[2][3][4] Libertarians share a skepticism of authority and statepower, but they diverge on the scope of their opposition to existing political and economic systems. Various schools of libertarian thought offer a range of views regarding the legitimate functions of state and private power, often calling for the restriction or dissolution of coercive social institutions.[5]

It sounds to me like it is and if that is so you are saying you draw no lines except not to have lines?

Just curious.


News Item5/25/19 6:57 AM
Marty McD | Usa  Find all comments by Marty McD
26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. 29 They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31 foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32 Though they know God's righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.

YIA- read verse 32.


News Item5/25/19 1:16 AM
Youth in Asia | Asia  Find all comments by Youth in Asia
I don't agree with this, as far as their spiritual judgement, sure, but in reality they have done nothing wrong, and have not hurt anyone. Question to think about: Would it be ok to give the death sentence to practicing Muslims, Mormons, Buddhists? What's the difference between this judgement?

During the Holocust, the religion of being jewish meant you got killed. Homosexuals were killed as well, for it was illegal. Did Hitler do the righteous thing?


News Item5/25/19 12:08 AM
Dr. Tim | Land of Cotton  Find all comments by Dr. Tim
Rights? When did wrongs become rights?
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