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FRONT PAGE  |  9/23/2019
SATURDAY, MAY 4, 2019  |  20 comments
Dealing with the Shock of an Evangelical Terrorist
This news hit home not just because the shooter is a Christian from a Christian family — and not just because he comes from an Evangelical church — but because he comes from my faith tradition. The OPC is a close cousin to my denomination, the much larger Presbyterian Church in America (PCA). We’re both from the Protestant Reformed tradition, we’re both broadly Calvinist, and congregants often move from one to the other with ease. I have friends in the OPC.

So, what should Christians — specifically, Reformed Christians — do with this news?

Ever since we learned more about the shooter’s identity, an online fight has been brewing in Christian circles. The Washington Post tells a part of the story today, framing the conflict as a debate between those who believe the church has nothing to answer for versus those who “call for a moment of reckoning.” ...


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News Item5/11/19 12:42 PM
SF from tx  Find all comments by SF from tx
I do have to say it is quite disappointing to see the race card being employed here. I expect it from the world...but for it to pour into Christianity as well. Quite disappointing.
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News Item5/7/19 6:58 PM
Just thinking | grapeland  Find all comments by Just thinking
Bible Based Christian wrote:
The truth is some people don't want to face up to the truth. Christians in American segregate themselves by race. Just like segregation in prisons, you have the whites, the blacks, the Mexicans, the Asians. MOST churches are the same. Denial is not Godly. How could a white man foster all of that hatred of others who are outsiders to his church? Perhaps because they are outsiders. Don't forget how many Klansmen where church goers. How many black youth who partake in racial motivated attacks against whites consider themselves Christian? Why? My Bible says "For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?" How many lost people look at the all white and all black congregations and say look at these hypocrites and bigots I sure don't want to be like them? Say Amen or look for some stones to stone me with for telling you the truth.
Isn't it possible for people with meaningless fleshly differences to be of one spirit, without being in the same place at the same time?
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News Item5/7/19 4:56 PM
Bible Based Christian | Holland  Find all comments by Bible Based Christian
The truth is some people don't want to face up to the truth. Christians in American segregate themselves by race. Just like segregation in prisons, you have the whites, the blacks, the Mexicans, the Asians. MOST churches are the same. Denial is not Godly. How could a white man foster all of that hatred of others who are outsiders to his church? Perhaps because they are outsiders. Don't forget how many Klansmen where church goers. How many black youth who partake in racial motivated attacks against whites consider themselves Christian? Why? My Bible says "For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?" How many lost people look at the all white and all black congregations and say look at these hypocrites and bigots I sure don't want to be like them? Say Amen or look for some stones to stone me with for telling you the truth.
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News Item5/6/19 1:34 PM
Person | America  Find all comments by Person
Just because he attended a church, does not make him a Christian.
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News Item5/6/19 2:49 AM
Citizen | USA  Find all comments by Citizen
He may have been a Christian, but his “fruit” demonstrates something else.

A true Christian would not shoot up a place.

This situation is sad on many levels;
1. Loss of life
2. Traumatic event
3. False blame on true Christian’s

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News Item5/4/19 9:40 PM
DanO | Wa  Find all comments by DanO
The author refers to the shooter as a “Christian”. That adds insult to injury.
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News Item5/4/19 9:06 PM
Fred  Find all comments by Fred
Having attended an OPC church for a season in SoCal and visiting others and still in touch with some congregants, I heard zero anti-semitism.

Google PCUSA and anti-Israel bias and you'll read some disturbing politics and the new anti-semetism/anit-zionism.

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News Item5/4/19 12:25 PM
The Quiet Christian  Find all comments by The Quiet Christian
Amen, Brothers!

Through an unfortunate turn of events, I am familiar with the theology of the so-called Identity or Christian Israelism groups. It is NOTHING Reformed. Just because a group of people call themselves Christian doesn't make it so. In essence, they are really just a bunch of liberals twisting the word of God to suit their own fancies and fantasies. To be clear, I was never part of them or in anywhere in agreement with them.

In general, anyone who looks for perfection and absolute holiness in anyone other than Christ Jesus will be bitterly disappointed or terribly deluded. Luther, Calvin, epsecially me, all of you, etc, we're all in need of Jesus' covering every second while on this Earth.

The OPC is not a perfect denomination. None are. But they are not guilty of these supposed sins against Jews.

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News Item5/4/19 11:57 AM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
1517 wrote:
The premise of this “debate” is wanting.
1. There is no evidence, whatsoever, within Reformed teaching which connects theology to white supremacy or any other evil identifier..
2. All true Christians, and reasonable man, would recognize the shooter’s actions were compelled by their abandonment, not embrace of Reformed teaching.
3. No matter if a child has heard, been expose to, or can even articulate proper theology, if he is not converted and doesn’t bear fruit of his profession, he’s either in grave error/heresy or he has never been a Christian.
It’s surprising how individuals would rashly jump to the conclusion of “it’s time for a reckoning” while ignoring the obvious.
Perfect! Genuine Christians simply do not murder.
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News Item5/4/19 11:38 AM
Moses | Los Angeles  Find all comments by Moses
Judas Iscariot was one of the twelve disciples of Jesus Christ.
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News Item5/4/19 10:12 AM
Dr. Tim | Land of Cotton  Find all comments by Dr. Tim
This will of course give ammunition to the liberals who already believe that Christians are crazy and dangerous and should be locked up for the safety of the public. Clever move, Satan. BTW, have you read Revelation 20:10?
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News Item5/4/19 9:05 AM
Wayfarer pilgrim | Lubbock, Tx  Find all comments by Wayfarer pilgrim
The spiritually dead walk in all facets of life. Ted Bundy worked the crowd at Republican garden parties, it didn’t make him a candidate for city council.
This has nothing to do with evangelical mass shooting narratives.
The FBI has a large database of people who are potentially capable of mass shootings. They have been gathering information since Columbine. The narrative is loner, psychotic with sociopathic tendencies. Problem is, there are thousands identified that meet the criteria. Our nation has to truly determine if black gun sales are necessary to public.
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News Item5/4/19 8:20 AM
Marty Mcd | Usa  Find all comments by Marty Mcd
Remember that guy who murdered all those people, even kids, in the Texas church, at which he previously attended? it isn’t and wasn’t reformed. So, yes 1517 is right, this reasoning is moronic.
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News Item5/4/19 8:17 AM
Bible Believing Christian | Holland  Find all comments by Bible Believing Christian
Was he baptised as an infant?
Is he part of God's Elect?
If so, then, he can do what he wants. He can be labeled a Christian although he has the mind of a devil.
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News Item5/4/19 7:59 AM
1517  Find all comments by 1517
The premise of this “debate” is wanting.
1. There is no evidence, whatsoever, within Reformed teaching which connects theology to white supremacy or any other evil identifier..
2. All true Christians, and reasonable man, would recognize the shooter’s actions were compelled by their abandonment, not embrace of Reformed teaching.
3. No matter if a child has heard, been expose to, or can even articulate proper theology, if he is not converted and doesn’t bear fruit of his profession, he’s either in grave error/heresy or he has never been a Christian.

It’s surprising how individuals would rashly jump to the conclusion of “it’s time for a reckoning” while ignoring the obvious.

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News Item5/4/19 7:37 AM
Marty Mcd | Usa  Find all comments by Marty Mcd
Luther also said people who don’t believe in the real body and blood in the Lords Supper are of a different spirit. Reformed people then and now don’t believe everything Luther said, hence the early split with the Swiss reformers. Quoting Luther or even Calvin in contravention of Scripture is pointless since the reformed belief is that of sola and tota scriptura.
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News Item5/4/19 5:43 AM
Youth in Asia | Asia  Find all comments by Youth in Asia
This is a tough time for the western church, I won't comment, I'm just gonna pray for wisdom, humility, and grace.
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News Item5/4/19 5:06 AM
John for JESUS | Atl  Find all comments by John for JESUS
“No reasonable person can survey OPC theology (or the theology of its Reformed cousins) and think for one moment that it countenances white supremacy, anti-Semitism, or white nationalism.”

Why not? Look at replacement theology and some of the “heroes” of the Reformation faith to see why a church member could be led to attack a synagogue.

“First to set fire to their synagogues or schools and to bury and cover with dirt whatever will not burn, so that no man will ever again see a stone or cinder of them. This is to be done in honor of our Lord and of Christendom, so that God might see that we are Christians”

“Second, I advise that their houses also be razed and destroyed. For they pursue in them the same aims as in their synagogues. Instead they might be lodged under a roof or in a barn, like the gypsies.”

“Fourth, I advise that their rabbis be forbidden to teach henceforth on pain of loss of life and limb.”

Those are a few excerpts from Martin Luther’s , “The Jews and their Lies”. So maybe more scripture and less Martin Luther would be a help!

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News Item5/4/19 2:40 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
The author considers understanding the extremist mindset is very important. It should be nervous at the hypocrisy that children find in their environment leads into trouble also. at least look at the end paragraph of this article by Phil Johnson âť—

https://tinyurl.com/hbtgqek (Politically Incorrect?)

Simon Copland wrote:
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The arc of engagement

Writing in the journal Behavioral Sciences of Terrorism and Political Aggression, John Horgan, Mary Beth Altier and colleagues have also come to similar conclusions. They argue that that there is a trajectory – or arc – that most people go through in their involvement in violent extremism. This arc comprises three phases – involvement, engagement, and disengagement. It is impossible to understand how to disengage people without first understanding the factors that led them to become involved and engaged in the first place....

excerpt from, "http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20190501-how-do-you-prevent-extremism"

https://tinyurl.com/yxcsreo8

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News Item5/4/19 1:59 AM
Allie  Find all comments by Allie
Article stunk. Can we stop loosely using the term Christian? Born again Christians aren't terrorists. The Spirit doesn't lead us into terrorism. It is not taught in scripture nor by true believers. Believers were and still are the objects of terrorism (persecution). Replacement Theology doesn't lead to terrorism. Presbyterians aren't going around persecuting Jews. They don't have a beef with the Jews. Article is misleading and gives the impression that Christians can be terrorists too and that reformed folks are about orthodoxy and not orthopraxy. No historical basis for his position. I wouldn't be surprised if more terrorists are identified as "Christians" and supposidily say something stupid like "thank you Jesus" before they kill people. This is all fake.
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