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FRONT PAGE  |  1/18/2020
SATURDAY, APR 27, 2019  |  19 comments
Not Worth a Shot: Why Some Christians Refuse Vaccinations on Moral Grounds
For certain Christians, the decision of whether to vaccinate comes down to the origins of the vaccines themselves. Some pro-life parents cite a moral disgust and a deep lament over the use of 58-year-old aborted fetal cell lines in development for several recommended immunizations, including MMR (measles, mumps, and rubella) and chickenpox.

“The use of fetal cells in vaccine study and creation is one of the primary reasons we do not vaccinate,” said Mandy Reynvaan, a mother of five in Oregon, where a measles outbreak has flared over the past few months. “The methods used to obtain these cells are horrifying.”

This week, Reynvaan traveled to the state capital to lobby against a bill that threatens to remove a parent’s right to refuse vaccinations for school-age children unless there is a medical reason. If passed, Oregon will be the fourth state to remove non-medical exemptions. ...

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News Item10/16/19 9:42 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Jim Lincoln wrote:
It's probably getting to be time to get your flu shot❗👍
Brian Krans wrote:

"It goes back to herd immunity.

Children who aren’t vaccinated are still protected by those who did vaccinate their children.

excerpts from, "This Is What Happens When Children Don’t Get Vaccinated"

Moo to all who equate people with cows, and speak of herd immunity.

btw, if the argument is made that those who aren't vaccinated are protected by those who are, isn't the corollary also true, that those who are vaccinated (and according to its purpose) cannot be harmed by those who aren't?


News Item10/15/19 8:50 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
It's probably getting to be time to get your flu shot❗👍
Brian Krans wrote:
There appears to be distrust in vaccinations in a generation who may not have any firsthand knowledge of the diseases routine shots prevent. This includes the once-common chickenpox and measles.

Herd immunity — when large swaths of the population are immunized — is one of the best defenses humanity has against diseases like measles, which are easily spread through sneezing and coughing.

For protection against measles, about 93 percent of a community needs to get vaccinated, according to Dr. Sharon Nachman, chief of pediatric infectious diseases at Stony Brook Medicine in New York....
It goes back to herd immunity.

Children who aren’t vaccinated are still protected by those who did vaccinate their children.

To Bergen, there’s a clear societal benefit — and therefore an obligation — to consider the health of all children within the community.

“I think that sometimes parents who make the decision not to vaccinate their children do not consider the health of other children as much as they should,” he said....

excerpts from, "This Is What Happens When Children Don’t Get Vaccinated"


News Item10/15/19 7:24 PM
Child of God | AZ  Find all comments by Child of God
I know this is an old thread, but I just came across this.
PLEASE, for heaven's sake Christians - educate yourselves. So much willful ignorance.
It was NOT just a few babies many years ago. It was lots of babies and it was HORRIFIC (they literally harvested their body parts while they were still alive). And they are STILL testing vaccines on human babies today (not growing on, at least in the US, but testing).
If you choose not to read about this, then you indeed are willing ignorant.
Start here (warning it's HORRIFIC).

And -

So what can Christians do? Easy, start by NOT supporting the vaccine industry and then (if you still think you need a man-made medicine to "protect" you/your kids from diseases that can mostly be prevented through Biblical hygiene) then FIGHT - fight for ethical vaccines.


News Item5/1/19 2:39 PM
Douglas Fir | Zones Four to Six  Find all comments by Douglas Fir
Are all vaccinations being objected to, including polio?
I know when I see any older adult walking around with those infamous 'polio canes' and 'polio braces,' then I know they are older than 60-something, when the polio vaccine came into wide use in the USA.
Now that the USA has a larger percentage of older adults from foreign countries, it could be that they are younger, but from countries that did not have the polio vaccination program.

News Item4/29/19 8:07 AM
The Quiet Christian  Find all comments by The Quiet Christian
I have received all those same vaccines before and when I was in the Service. My wife likely received them as a child. We didn't know what some of them were made out of. Now we do, thanks to news stories like this. And now we are stuck with the delimma.

News Item4/28/19 11:10 PM
bufford | us  Contact via emailFind all comments by bufford
Medical field employees on all levels must be current with all vaccinations in order to take care of the ones who get sick with measles, meningitis, tetanus, etc.
My father "had" to serve in Korea, and "had" to be vaccinated before he served his country.
...think about the sheer volume of nurses, doctors, & military who get vaccinated. Very unselfish on their part, and many are good Christians.

News Item4/28/19 5:59 PM
The Quiet Christian  Find all comments by The Quiet Christian
Well, DF, my wife & I have "religious objections" based on not wanting to participate in murder.

But like I wrote below, it's a hard decision in reality. Few of us are ready to sacrifice our children on the altar of presumed righteousness. Measles is a real threat. My mother, who would be about 90, remembered very well the epidemcs before vaccines for some more common illnesses.

I believe the solution to this problem is to pressure the vaccine makers to develop non-abortive tissue based vaccines to replace those that are made from murdered children parts. That would be a major step toward bringing us aboard.

Then there is the vaccine schedule, but that's a different topic. Not up to an autism discussion today.


News Item4/28/19 12:10 PM
Douglas Fir | Zones Four to Six  Find all comments by Douglas Fir
Wasn't there a measles story here recently from Africa, where over 100 children died?
I guess their parents could stand up, beat their chests, and say, "at least we did not support abortion!"
I really think autism may be the Real Issue, and the Law Firm that pays people to post false info on this.
States like Washington or Oregon that allow anyone to cook up a 'religious' objection to vaccinations have led to the extreme measures and measles outbreaks they have today.

News Item4/27/19 4:08 PM
The Quiet Christian  Find all comments by The Quiet Christian
Amen, Dr. Tim. There is a legal precedent called "the fruit of tbe poisonous tree." If evidence is collected in a manner that violates a suspect's civil rights per the Constitution, et al, then anything that comes from that initial discovery is inadmissable. This concept ought to work the same way. A child was murdered in a Nordic country and body parts were used by those condoning his or her murder for scientific purposes. There is guilt transferred to anyone who later receives the vaccine.

The only argument that might allow us to use the vaccine is that everything we buy, grown, build, etc is tainted with sin because of the Fall. The creature groanth with us (Romans 8). So what's one more? But this is like the argument that we should sin more so grace may abound more, to which the Apostle answers, "certainly not!"

Tough question, really. It would behove the vaccine manufacturers to develop vaccines from non-abortion related tissues. For instance, Shingrix is one that just replaced a shingles vaccine and it even works better.


News Item4/27/19 3:37 PM
Dr. Tim | Land of Cotton  Find all comments by Dr. Tim
Jim, you quoted one source as saying that the amount of time since the abortion should be factored in to any decision based on moral grounds. Does that mean it’s okay now to use lampshades made from the skins of Jews murdered by the Nazis? After all, it’s been almost eighty years since they were slain.

News Item4/27/19 2:36 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
...Or perhaps a child's decision, if he is a teenager?

Alia E. Dastagir wrote:
There are vaccine opponents who hate vaccines – you're not going to change their minds. They're in the minority of vaccine critics. They've heard all the facts and they don't care," said Arthur Caplan, a professor of bioethics at New York University. "Then there are the vaccine-hesitant – they're fearful ... but they're not closed off."

The anti-vax issue dominated headlines: a new decade-long study of more than half a million people found the measles vaccine does not increase the risk of autism – a chief fear among those concerned about preventative shots. A teenager who defied his anti-vax mother testified in front of Congress, saying she was misinformed by social media....

from "Facts alone don't sway anti-vaxxers. So what does?"


News Item4/27/19 2:10 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Unprofitable Servant wrote:
Actually it is few vaccines that use aborted baby cells and some are so many strains away due to decades of time (they don’t get new baby cells to keep the strain going)you are effectively not supporting the abortion industry
It should be parents decision
Well, I agree with your conclusion about it should be the parent's decision. I wonder if we won't see law suits in future over the parental thing. But, the parents should be the ones to say yes or no.

Hillary's "it takes a village" is unbiblical to say the least.


News Item4/27/19 1:56 PM
Adriel  Find all comments by Adriel
"Because of its position on abortion, some members of the Catholic Church asked for its moral guidance on the use of vaccines developed using cell strains started with human fetal cells. This includes the vaccine against rubella as well as those against chickenpox and hepatitis A, and some other vaccines. The official position according to the National Catholic Bioethics Center is that individuals should, when possible, use vaccines not developed with the use of these human cell strains. However, in the case where the only vaccine available against a particular disease was developed using this approach, the NCBC notes:

One is morally free to use the vaccine regardless of its historical association with abortion. The reason is that the risk to public health, if one chooses not to vaccinate, outweighs the legitimate concern about the origins of the vaccine. This is especially important for parents, who have a moral obligation to protect the life and health of their children and those around them.

they specifically note that fetal cells were used only to begin the cell strains that were used in the preparation of the vaccine virus:
Descendant cells are the medium in which these vaccines are prepared"


News Item4/27/19 1:25 PM
Unprofitable Servant | TN  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
Actually it is few vaccines that use aborted baby cells and some are so many strains away due to decades of time (they don’t get new baby cells to keep the strain going)you are effectively not supporting the abortion industry

It should be parents decision


News Item4/27/19 1:04 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
I didn’t read the article.

Vaccinations are a very interesting subject.

If someone doesn’t get one and they infect someone, are they responsible?

Since most vaccinations use aborted baby stem cells; are they guilty of supporting the abortion industry?

Should the government be allowed to dictate this for parents?

All of us probably disagree on some or all of the above.

Here is something that few ponder. Whenever someone goes into the military, vaccinations are “mandatory”. If they don’t get them, then they are discharged. Those that say it is never appropriate would also have to say joining the military was also wrong?


News Item4/27/19 12:25 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
David Roach, Baptist Press wrote:
Pro-life concerns
... Southern Baptist bioethicist C. Ben Mitchell said it is not clear that recipients of a vaccine today are morally complicit in abortions that occurred decades ago.

"I admire Christians who are trying to avoid even the appearance of evil," Mitchell, provost and vice president for academic affairs at Union University, told BP in written comments. "But it is very difficult to establish a clear line of complicity between an abortion 40 years ago and a vaccine administered in 2015. We should certainly be vigilant about resisting the temptation to do good through evil means, but we should nevertheless try to do good. This may be one of those issues where faithful Christians may disagree."

The Vatican report distinguished cooperating in an immoral action while sharing evil intention and doing so without sharing evil intention. The report also argued that the amount of time to elapse between the original abortions and the receipt of vaccines should be factored into moral deliberations....

excerpt from, "Vaccinations discussed by Christians"

JW children have been put under court protection when their parents refused necessary blood transfusions, John L


News Item4/27/19 2:18 AM
John Lee | UK  Find all comments by John Lee
I wonder what Jehovah's Witnesses would do if in the States it became mandatory to have a blood transfusion in order to save a life?

And I wonder what would happen if everyone started believing that God was sovereign over all things, even life and death.

I've personally not had a jab since I was too young to refuse one.


News Item4/27/19 1:58 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Trump strongly supports measles and vaccination
Michael Collins, John Fritze wrote:
President Donald Trump, who in the past has promoted the theory that vaccines cause autism, said Friday unvaccinated children should be immunized in light of measles outbreaks in several states.

“They have to get those shots,” Trump told reporters on the White House South Lawn as he was leaving for Indianapolis, where he will address a National Rifle Association convention. “The vaccinations are so important.”

Trump’s comments come as the number of reported cases of measles in the United State this year already has surpassed previous annual totals this century – less than four months into 2019, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention....

excerpt from, "Donald Trump urges measles shots for children, in shift from prior warnings on vaccines"


News Item4/27/19 12:26 AM
The Quiet Christian  Find all comments by The Quiet Christian
This is the same reason my family and I are very cautious about what vaccinations we accept. We are not anti-vaccination but firmly against the use of aborted/murdered baby parts as part of the process to make MMR and other vaccines.

There is an argument that at least something good can come from something evil and another that the creation of the MMR vaccine was so long ago that there are no true human parts still remaining. I don't buy either excuse. Self-sacrifice is a key component to Christianity. Jesus set aside His former glory to be born in a barn, live as in a humbled means, then died for our sakes on the Cross. He did so willingly. The baby who was killed did not have the choice to do so willingly. That baby was sacrificed by the mother due to a family situation and parts were harvested and used. To participate in being vaccinated with MMR and others like it is to participate in the sin.

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