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FRONT PAGE  |  4/21/2019
TUESDAY, APR 16, 2019  |  31 comments
Funerals becoming relics?
More than half of all American deaths lead to cremations - about 28% did in 2002 - due to expense (they can cost a third the price of a burial), the environment and family members living far apart with less ability to visit cemetery plots, according to the National Funeral Directors Association. By 2035, the cremation rate is projected to be 80%, the association says. And cremation frees loved ones to stage a memorial anywhere, at any time, and to store or scatter ashes as they please. (Maintenance of cemeteries, if families stop using them, may become a preservation and financial problem.)

Mark Musgrove, a former president of the association who runs a network of funeral homes and chapels in Eugene, Oregon, says his industry, already marked by consolidation, is adapting to changing demands.

"Services are more life-centered, around the person's personality, likes and dislikes. They're unique and ...


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News Item4/19/19 5:30 PM
Dr. Tim | Land of Cotton  Find all comments by Dr. Tim
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Do you also plan to burn in a Catholic hell? After all, there is no Catholic heaven.
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Just wondering  Find all comments by Just wondering
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John Yurich do you have a job? Are you taking music or guitar lessons? You know you’re not getting any younger, how is it you plan on making this dream come true?
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News Item4/19/19 11:42 AM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
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I plan on constructing a private mausoleum at a Catholic Cemetery in Eastern Colorado when I become successful in which to be entombed. This past Sunday at my Baptist Church the sermon by my Senior Pastor was titled "The Rejected One" about Jesus being rejected by his disciples.
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News Item4/19/19 9:15 AM
sc  Find all comments by sc
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Cremation- too much like hell-
Mark 9:44

“Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.”

God is a consuming fire but I don't think that we should desire that attribute.

...probably best to search Scripture diligently rather than just arrive at a conclusion based on popular choice or feelings.
Again, burial has significance in Scripture and I know that it is all too easy to follow after the culture or loved ones' opinions.
If we are timid to depart from the traditions of men in annual observances then how more so with the status quo on how it looks at death? Popular opinion seems to have too much influence on even Christians.

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News Item4/19/19 8:55 AM
John Lee | UK  Find all comments by John Lee
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Christopher000 wrote:
Hi John,
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I'm really undecided on cremation, and lean towards burial, because in this case, fire doesn't purify, but destroys, so I consider it violence, and my mind always travels back to the sacrifices of old, but...I can't say I frown on anyone who chooses cremation, because I just can't point to anything, scripturally sound, to speak against it. Fire isn't a wicked thing, or associated with evil, as it can be used for good, or to destroy, and God Himself appeared as a burning bush, etc., so to each his own on this.
Yea and amen to that, Christopher.

sc wrote:
Hi John...I appreciate your input. I am in no way suggesting that Christians who have been burned are not resurrected but I think that, if given a choice, that we should, respectfully,bury the body.
Yea and amen to that, SC.
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News Item4/19/19 6:51 AM
sc  Find all comments by sc
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Hi John...I appreciate your input. I am in no way suggesting that Christians who have been burned are not resurrected but I think that, if given a choice, that we should, respectfully,bury the body.
Again, if this was not significant, God would not have given us so much information as He as in Scripture.
Unprofitable-
not ignoring you and appreciate your well wishing. My concern is with the majority of churches which lead so many astray in the guise of Christianity.
It is not surprising that you find as a common denominator among them- worldly "Christian" music, perverted Bible versions, women preachers and "Jesus" pictures.
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News Item4/19/19 6:45 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
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Hi John,

I've been following this a little bit, and I think SC's mindset is based upon the violence of fire, and how it was used by the ancients for sacrificing infants, and adults to Baal, etc., etc. For me, this is one of those topics that qualifies as a gray area, and boils down to a matter of personal conscience. Turn the bones to ashes, spread them around this planet, and sprinkle some into outer space, and those who belong to Him will be made perfectly whole once again.

I'm really undecided on cremation, and lean towards burial, because in this case, fire doesn't purify, but destroys, so I consider it violence, and my mind always travels back to the sacrifices of old, but...I can't say I frown on anyone who chooses cremation, because I just can't point to anything, scripturally sound, to speak against it. Fire isn't a wicked thing, or associated with evil, as it can be used for good, or to destroy, and God Himself appeared as a burning bush, etc., so to each his own on this.

Anyone who is against cremation can point to why they believe it to be wrong, but only in very subjective, and round-about ways. I know few care for my "gray area" terminology, but hey, that's how I see it.

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News Item4/19/19 5:20 AM
John Lee | UK  Find all comments by John Lee
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sc wrote:
...if one searches the Scriptures, they will see that burial was not insignificant.
Good morning SC. I wholeheartedly agree with your conclusions, especially that it was perfectly normal in Bible days to bury the dead.

However, to cast any doubt on a satisfactory resurrection for any who were cremated, or died in a house fire, or were at the centre of a nuclear explosion.....well, I feel I must say something about the ability of Almighty God, who can make children for Abraham from the pebbles at the side of the road.

One of my heroes of the faith is John Wycliffe. Pastor of a church in Lutterworth, England (14th C) he was the first to translate the Bible into English. When he died, he was buried in his church's graveyard, but a few decades later was dug up by his enemies, his remains burnt and his ashes scattered into the River Swift, eventually finding their way into the ocean.

I don't believe God will have any problem sorting that out at resurrection time.

Same thing applies to our brave brethren and sisters who were burnt at the stake for opposing Catholicism.

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News Item4/19/19 4:45 AM
sc  Find all comments by sc
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Thank you, Hugh, for your input. Even God did bury Moses and if one searches the Scriptures, they will see that burial was not insignificant.
My concern with the cremation craze is that it makes it easier for people to have little regard for the natural body...this is why we see such heinous actions as people disposing babies down the toilet and people calling unborn babies "fetuses"...and, of course,the general disregard for the elderly and disabled while they yet live.
I wonder how many would be comfortable burning the body of their child after his/her death?
The natural body is sown and there is, as you say, a resurrection of the body. After Christ died on the cross there was a great earthquake and many came out of their graves to stroll around Jerusalem.
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News Item4/18/19 7:49 PM
Hugh | Scotland  Find all comments by Hugh
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Just as Christ was resurrected after death and buriel . No doubt He was dead three days in that tomb dead as a door nail ..

His spirit went to Sheol where He witnessed to those that died pre flood . When the time was right he reentered His old body. I believe the disciples never recognised Him at first , simply because His old body was slowly transforming into a perfect new body fit for A new heaven and a new earth.
I believe also that whilst after we die we are instantly in His presence. But when He comes back and He brings us with Him (those that have died in the Lord) we come back in spirit and get reunited with our resurrected bodies , which are transformed into PERFECT bodies fit to be in the new world for a thousand years , or in Glory whatever is pleasing to Him.

So please don’t play fast and loose with your remains ,burial or cremation God is going to resurrect them I believe and make them perfect for heaven, they will be the same but different,
They will be perfect , that’s how I believe we shall recognise each other.

God bless
Hugh
Scotland

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News Item4/18/19 10:01 AM
Unprofitable Servant | TN  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
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sc wrote:
John and Dolores-
You could opt to be cremated in a boiler.
Unprofitable-
You did not read everything to properly draw your conclusion.
The answer would be there are very few which one could say something positive but there are some...much like the churches addressed in Revelation.
Sorry for the misunderstanding.

You are saying more like the following

Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy

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News Item4/18/19 4:55 AM
John Lee | UK  Find all comments by John Lee
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sc wrote:
John and Dolores-
You could opt to be cremated in a boiler.
Thanks to Rodney, boiler cremations are gaining a reputation of causing premature resurrections.
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News Item4/18/19 4:28 AM
sc  Find all comments by sc
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John and Dolores-
You could opt to be cremated in a boiler.
Unprofitable-
You did not read everything to properly draw your conclusion.
The answer would be there are very few which one could say something positive but there are some...much like the churches addressed in Revelation.
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News Item4/17/19 11:07 PM
Unprofitable Servant | TN  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
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sc wrote:
Unprofitable-
Most churches around my area are probably much like most churches everywhere else.
Thanks for your response, I will take that as a no and hope you find a good church to attend.
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News Item4/17/19 2:41 PM
Rodney K. | Tennessee  Contact via emailFind all comments by Rodney K.
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John Lee wrote:
Don't tell me, you sing that round a log fire, with an acoustic guitar, when you go hunting with the boys? I can tell the accent from the words.
How did you know???
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News Item4/17/19 2:19 PM
John Lee | UK  Find all comments by John Lee
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Rodney K. wrote:
Blessing, dear brother! I pray you are doing well.
You can read about Sam McGee here:
https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/45081/the-cremation-of-sam-mcgee
Blessings to you also bro, and your family. I am fine, praise God.

Wow that is some story! Brilliant!

Don't tell me, you sing that round a log fire, with an acoustic guitar, when you go hunting with the boys? I can tell the accent from the words.

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News Item4/17/19 2:00 PM
Rodney K. | Tennessee  Contact via emailFind all comments by Rodney K.
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John Lee wrote:
Rodney, who is Sam McGee and Old Alice?
Blessing, dear brother! I pray you are doing well.

You can read about Sam McGee here:

https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/45081/the-cremation-of-sam-mcgee

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John Lee | UK  Find all comments by John Lee
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Dolores wrote:
I have heard that when someone gets burned up in a house fire, that the only part of the body that is left is the heart
I had two fellow Christians that chose to be cremated. It didn’t keep them out of heaven because no where in the Bible is that mentioned as a deterrent to heaven. Actually in the days of Christ, they weren’t buried always but put in caves. So why worry about how to be treated at death but am I living a life pleasing to God now!! Amen??
Amen Dolores!

My local council runs a crematorium which charges simply to maintain the place, which keeps prices low. It is very popular. They have landscaped and meandering fields where they will bury your dust remains for free if desired. I have pre-payed for cremation and the services of a local funeral director, saving around ÂŁ5,000 all told, which will instead be used for a project I am currently involved with.
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Rodney, who is Sam McGee and Old Alice?

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Rodney K. | Tennessee  Contact via emailFind all comments by Rodney K.
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Sam McGee was cremated in the boiler of the derelict "Alice May".
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God's people were BURIED in caves...
Genesis 49:29-32

29 And he charged them, and said unto them, I am to be gathered unto my people: bury me with my fathers in the cave that is in the field of Ephron the Hittite,

30 In the cave that is in the field of Machpelah, which is before Mamre, in the land of Canaan, which Abraham bought with the field of Ephron the Hittite for a possession of a buryingplace.

31 There they buried Abraham and Sarah his wife; there they buried Isaac and Rebekah his wife; and there I buried Leah.

If one studies Scripture, one can see that burial was the preferred way and loved ones went to great lengths to prepare the body,no less.
Burial is a picture of resurrection.
Charring and utterly destroying a body is something that pagans can appreciate.
Following the pattern set before us in Scripture would be better than following after the way of the heathen, if given a choice.

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