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FRONT PAGE  |  5/22/2019
MONDAY, APR 8, 2019  |  27 comments
Godless America? Faith Could Kill Liberalism, but Liberalism Is Killing Faith
“The only foundation for ... a republic is to be laid in Religion. Without this there can be no virtue, and without virtue there can be no liberty,” warned Founding Father Benjamin Rush. We’re losing that foundation, however, with yet another survey showing that irreligiosity has been burgeoning in America — especially in recent years. Yet with church attendance being one of the best predictors of voting patterns, what does this portend for our nation’s political and cultural future? And how can the atheistic descent be halted if few understand its actual causes?

The latest data was provided by the General Social Survey, which “has tracked a broad swath of American trends since 1972,” informs the Daily Mail. Summarizing the study’s recent findings, the paper writes:

• The number of people who have no religion has risen 266 percent — one-third of the population — in three decades

• People with ...


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News Item4/12/19 11:32 PM
Joe USA | USA  Find all comments by Joe USA
This is the case because the church is trying to remain neutral when it comes to politics. I have heard it said from the pulpit.
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News Item4/11/19 7:30 PM
Just thinking | grapeland  Find all comments by Just thinking
Jim Lincoln wrote:
excerpt from, "Evangelicals are Becoming Politically Progressive"
https://tinyurl.com/yxamxnvr
....
No they're not. Excerpt is nonsense, title from which it came is a false statement. Why would conservative evangelicals become wacko leftist wing dings, other than in the imagination and futile hope of wishful thinkers?
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News Item4/11/19 4:42 PM
John Lee | UK  Find all comments by John Lee
Adriel wrote:
I am looking at it also from the Lord's attribute/ability to "foreknow" the future event of election and who will be elected.
"Those of mankind that are predestinated to life, God, before the foundation of the world was laid, according to His eternal and immutable purpose, and the secret counsel and good pleasure of His will, hath chosen in Christ unto everlasting glory, out of His mere free grace and love, without any other thing in the creature as a condition or cause moving Him thereunto. As God hath appointed the elect unto glory, so He hath, by the eternal and most free purpose of His will, foreordained all the means thereunto; wherefore they who are elected, being fallen in Adam, are redeemed by Christ, are effectually called unto faith in Christ, by His Spirit working in due season, are justified, adopted, sanctified, and kept by His power through faith unto salvation; neither are any other redeemed by Christ, or effectually called, justified, adopted, sanctified, and saved, but the elect only." BCOF

Therefore the "elect" (chosen before creation) were redeemed by Christ in AD33, etc. etc.

What is this "future event of election", Adriel? Thank you.

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News Item4/11/19 4:18 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Elisa Meyer wrote:
....
The evangelical movement thus cannot be described as a monolith. Many followers are conservatives. However, the progressive movement is gathering an increasing number of followers. This is due to the evangelicals’ close association with the Trump administration and more specifically President Trump himself. Republicans now have begun to understand mixing religion and politics is not a good idea....
excerpt from, "Evangelicals are Becoming Politically Progressive"

https://tinyurl.com/yxamxnvr

Evangelicals should also stay away from the Trump theology

I see the brexit exit has been extended to October? Apparently, the majority British politicians and a great number Britain's don't want it.

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News Item4/11/19 3:52 PM
Adriel  Find all comments by Adriel
John Lee wrote:
Brexit has been a great blessing. Observation sees the forces of darkness at work, along with strategies and techniques for subterfuge, how to lie as a politician and patronise the population.

When it comes to the word "process"

The "Brexit" debate now almost in its third year has demonstrated God's hand upon this nation of UK. The punishment appears to be that all authority has been removed from the nation leaving Satan's chaos. Government, NHS, Law and Order, Defense, education are all in a state of disarray and without leadership or management.
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As for 'process' - Which clearly began before the foundation of the world {Eph 1:4} I am looking at it also from the Lord's attribute/ability to "foreknow" the future event of election and who will be elected.

Rom 8:29 For whom he did FOREKNOW, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren."

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News Item4/10/19 4:11 PM
John Lee | UK  Find all comments by John Lee
Adriel wrote:
Hi John.
Have you got Brexit sickness Yet?
I see what your saying about election.
Perhaps it would have been more precise if I'd said that John 6:44 (draw) is the 'completion' of the election process upon the servants of God. Including the gifts of faith and repentance at that time.
Hi Adriel and thanks for responding again.

Brexit has been a great blessing. Observation sees the forces of darkness at work, along with strategies and techniques for subterfuge, how to lie as a politician and patronise the population.

When it comes to the word "process", I would say that salvation is a process, sure it is. It spans the gap between predestination and glorification, and you already posted that verse during our convo. However, the hymn-writer, seeking to put scriptural doctrine into words, wrote:

The vilest offender who truly believes;
That moment from Jesus a pardon receives.

So justification, which includes forgiveness of sin and imputed righteousness, is no process, but instantaneous upon believing.

What I am saying is that election, in just the same way, is not a process, but a past and complete event, before the world was made. True?

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News Item4/10/19 2:44 PM
Adriel  Find all comments by Adriel
John Lee wrote:
when we come into the world we are either elect or not, God's choosing having already been accomplished?
Hi John.
Have you got Brexit sickness Yet?

I see what your saying about election.
Perhaps it would have been more precise if I'd said that John 6:44 (draw) is the 'completion' of the election process upon the servants of God. Including the gifts of faith and repentance at that time.

On 6:44 Henry puts it:-
"The nature of the work: It is drawing, which denotes not a force put upon the will, whereby of unwilling we are made willing, and a new bias is given to the soul, by which it inclines to God. This seems to be more than a moral suasion, for by that it is in the power to draw; yet it is not to be called a physical impulse, for it lies out of the road of nature; but he that formed the spirit of man within him by his creating power, and fashions the hearts of men by his providential influence, knows how to new-mould the soul, and to alter its bent and temper, and make it conformable to himself and his own will, without doing any wrong to its natural liberty. It is such a drawing as works not only a compliance, but a cheerful compliance, a complacency: Draw us, and we will run after thee."

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News Item4/9/19 4:30 PM
John Lee | UK  Find all comments by John Lee
Adriel wrote:
Hi John good to see you again.
1] Agree John. However time is irrelevant to God - Yes? Thus His prophetic work (Eph 1:4/5) will bear fruit in the fullness of time.
2] Correct.
3] Sorry if I gave that impression. But God acts only on the merit of Christ, - And nothing of the actions or choices of sinners.
Election is by God alone and IN Christ alone.
Thus John 6:44 (draw) describes God's action of saving (electing) the predestined sinner, regardless of his circumstances.
Rom 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified." Amen!
Hi Adriel and thanks for your response. Can I ask yet another question, bro? Regarding your statement on John 6:44, do you not believe that when we come into the world we are either elect or not, God's choosing having already been accomplished? Therefore when he draws to Christ, he is drawing them that are elect? Even perhaps if they are penitent liberals?
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News Item4/9/19 3:22 PM
Adriel  Find all comments by Adriel
John Lee wrote:
1] I am sure you will agree that election takes place in eternity past, and drawing to Christ takes place in time.

2] Secondly, I am also sure that you believe God does not choose (elects) based upon a sinner's thoughts or spiritual condition which God foresees in the future.

3] But you appear to be saying that God looks forward in time to see who will be liberal in theology, and removes them from his grace

Hi John good to see you again.

1] Agree John. However time is irrelevant to God - Yes? Thus His prophetic work (Eph 1:4/5) will bear fruit in the fullness of time.

2] Correct.

3] Sorry if I gave that impression. But God acts only on the merit of Christ, - And nothing of the actions or choices of sinners.

Election is by God alone and IN Christ alone.
Thus John 6:44 (draw) describes God's action of saving (electing) the predestined sinner, regardless of his circumstances.

Rom 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified." Amen!

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News Item4/9/19 6:39 AM
John Lee | UK  Find all comments by John Lee
Is there not a new version of the Bible published in English in this year of our Lord 2019? I wonder. Is the marketplace saturated by now? No more profits to be had? Filthy lucre going stale? Believers wisening up to marketing ploys? Churches getting tired of changing their pew Bibles every couple of years?

Whatever Bible fellow believers choose to make their study Bible, I heartily and seriously commend to them the King James Version as a reference Bible, if not their main Bible. Changes are taking place in translations, and you would not know about them if you never had a standard to compare them with. And if you really cannot abide the KJV, get a hold of a Geneva Bible 1599.

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News Item4/8/19 9:09 PM
Connor7  Find all comments by Connor7
@Moses, if you are saying that the increasing number of pagans are due to translations such as the NKJV,ESV, NASB, etc. then can you explain how people in Genesis 6 became so pagan that God killed them with a flood? Or perhaps Israelites, who has the oracles of God, became pagans? (Not all of course) Perhaps you can explain why the Pharisees were so inwardly wicked and crucified the Lord of glory?

The first category didn’t have a Bible, the second had the word of God both verbally and audibly (prophets) and written (scriptures) yet they turned to idols, worshipped Baal, and human sacrifices, etc.

The third category had the scriptures nailed in their minds, yet crucified their own Messiah.

Bible translations are not causing paganism, the natural of man is described as a child of the devil, enemies of God, dead in sin, wicked, not seeking after God, etc. God restrains evil, and He can stop restraining evil as judgment on a nation who is opposed to God.

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News Item4/8/19 3:41 PM
John Lee | UK  Find all comments by John Lee
Adriel wrote:
John - Is that you? The water colourist?
Yes indeed brother, although these days I have taken up graphite drawing, which I find quite rewarding.

Let me explain my problem, and you can put me straight. Here is what you said:

"The point is that those whom the Father draws {elects} to Christ are the elect only.
Liberals don't get elected."

I am sure you will agree that election takes place in eternity past, and drawing to Christ takes place in time. You seem to be equating drawing with electing because you put in brackets "elects" straight after "draws".

Secondly, I am also sure that you believe God does not choose (elects) based upon a sinner's thoughts or spiritual condition which God foresees in the future. But you appear to be saying that God looks forward in time to see who will be liberal in theology, and removes them from his grace because of that and elects none of them. This would tally with conditional election, which I doubt you hold to.

It's a bit like saying, "God doesn't elect sinners." Or, "God doesn't elect Pharisees."

But God's choosing was before the foundation of the world - Ephesians 1:4. And he has mercy on whom he will have mercy. Just sayin'.

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News Item4/8/19 3:13 PM
Marty McD | Usa  Find all comments by Marty McD
SC - your comment doesn’t make sense to me. We’re talking about translations, not an original manuscript or translations of an original manuscript in the original language. Languages don’t have identical parallels in all manners, if they did, we’d only have one, frozen language for the whole world. Try to translate from modern English to modern Greek and see if what you’re suggesting is possible.
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News Item4/8/19 3:13 PM
Adriel  Find all comments by Adriel
John Lee wrote:
Adriel, these are some strange words you come out with.
John - Is that you? The water colourist?

God alone draws:
John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day."

Elect:
1 Peter 1:2 ELECT according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied."

Liberalism:-
Satan's religious reprobates find themselves in churches such as the Church of England and the Church of Scotland - Both of which are UNBiblical, heretical and sodomite contaminated (unclean), But allowed to preach and teach their muck.
Therefore UNelect.

Separating the Christian from the Liberal is important and more obvious today than ever.

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News Item4/8/19 3:09 PM
NeedHim  Find all comments by NeedHim
As the Elect don’t have a Big E stamped on their foreheads & nor do the elect, have a Yellow Stripe down the middle of ones back!

For Heaven has none if Christ didn’t seek & save His own, lost sheep. As He is the only true seeker of the Fallen. & praise God that He saves & redeems some of the most unlikeliest people, as none are worthy to be called a hearing sheep amen!; Jhn 10:25-28!

Praise God for mercies given through salvation by the hearing of His, having to raise & drag one out of their spiritual deadness apart from No King but Christ Alone amen!

Mat 11:25,27 At that time Jesus answered & said, “I thank You, Father, Lord of heaven & earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise & prudent & have revealed them to babes. All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, & no one knows the Son except the Father. Nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, & the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.

https://comingintheclouds.org/christian-resources/discipleship/predestination/sheep-and-goats/

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News Item4/8/19 3:02 PM
Douglas Fir | Zones Four to Six  Find all comments by Douglas Fir
Having no religion would be a good thing in the district of Minneapolis, Minnesota, where that Muslim woman was elected as their Representative to the US Congress. So now, we have to see her wearing her 'sign of submission' to her Moon God, which takes precedence over any oath she might make in her Official Duties.
This should be a constant reminder of what happens when you allow immigration of Muslims, who will practice 'taqqiyaa' which means deceiving, lying, even to other Muslims if they feel they are advancing the Cause of Islam. Thus, on any immigration application, they can deny being Muslims, even 'convert' to any church of your choice, all to gain entrance, and then change their minds.
Thus we have Deerborn, Michigan, so full of Muslims that you could become a short-term missionary there (if you don't mind putting your Life on the Line for the Cause of Christ).
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News Item4/8/19 2:48 PM
John Lee | UK  Find all comments by John Lee
Adriel wrote:
The point is that those whom the Father draws {elects} to Christ are the elect only.
Liberals don't get elected.
Adriel, these are some strange words you come out with.
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News Item4/8/19 12:12 PM
Adriel  Find all comments by Adriel
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Nonsense that "liberalism" or "conservatism" has anything to do with it
John 6:37-40
All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out.
Jim;
The point is that those whom the Father draws {elects} to Christ are the elect only.

Liberals don't get elected.

Their religion is worldly as you can see from their compromise and agreement with satanic transgression such as abortion and sodomite/transvestite behavior.

This is why the Liberals deny repentance of sin - Their religion exonerates sin by human ideology. = False witness!!!

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Liberalism a human 'works' religious ideology cannot 'kill' faith because faith is from divine source not human.

Liberals like Romish religion don't receive faith in the first place. Their ideologies demonstrate this.

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News Item4/8/19 11:55 AM
Douglas Fir | Zones Four to Six  Find all comments by Douglas Fir
I think this relates to yesterday's story from the London School of Economics on the decline of religion in England.
This time, the source is the New American, organ of the John Birch Society (yes, it's still going, though probably not selling atomic-bomb shelters to install in your back yard).
I think it is more interesting to think of why the people write articles like these, rather than the subject itself. Do they have an axe to grind? Anything to gain from their statements?
JBS members who subscribe to their organ may feel some Self-Righteousness from being the True Believers. Maybe a few people here at SA get that same feeling when they read these news stories.
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News Item4/8/19 11:25 AM
sc  Find all comments by sc
Marty- Using other versions of Scripture with just one jot or tittle missing or added is no small matter to a Holy God whose word is pure.
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