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FRONT PAGE  |  5/24/2019
TUESDAY, APR 2, 2019  |  15 comments
Wheaton: 'Origins' textbook bridging the Bible to ‘mainline science’ ?
While highlighting various mainstream scientific theories and providing a biblical perspective, the book also takes a critical look at theories like Young Earth Creation. It examines the principles of biblical interpretation and features close readings of relevant Genesis texts.

The book was published by InterVarsity Press and funded by the BioLogos Foundation. Its release comes as many in today’s secular culture think that scientific discoveries and Christian teachings must come into conflict. But the new book seeks to “diffuse tensions” by detailing how the sciences of origins fit into the story of “God’s creative and redemptive action.”

The BioLogos Foundation is an advocacy organization that promotes Evolutionary Creationism. ...


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News Item4/4/19 3:42 AM
Chris G P | England  Find all comments by Chris G P
It is indeed tragic that evangelical churches, pastors, Christian schools, seminaries, Bible Colleges, universities and so on insist on compromising with the Creation of the World, and also with the Noah Flood.

Whether it is the “progressive creationists”, “theistic evolutionists”, “intelligent design, but without God”, or the subtle “Gap Theory”, that affirms a 6 24 hour day creation, rather I should say, re-creation, after a supposed gap of millions of years between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2, after a supposed previous creation that was under Lucifer and fell into judgment when he rebelled, it is all dangerous and extra-biblical.

I was saddened when I discovered a certain prophecy teacher that I highly respected holds this “Old Earth Creation” “Gap Theory” view, and unfortunately promoted it and has had speakers on his programme. This sort of thing is very sad. It should be back to the Bible, back to Genesis. That’s it.

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News Item4/3/19 6:07 PM
The Quiet Christian  Find all comments by The Quiet Christian
I believe Answers in Genesis polled a number of self-identified Christian colleges and universities to find out where they stood on young earth creation. AiG polled the science and theology departments separately. The results often showed that there was more support for YEC in the science department than in the theology department.
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News Item4/3/19 4:53 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Christopher000 wrote:
Frank Wrote:
"Most scientists probably have high IQs and they are well educated. Those things have no effect on understanding God’s word."
Hey Frank, I know I'm not having an epiphany here, but I've always found it really interesting how it is that the brightest minds are most often Athiests/evolutionists. Take astrophysicists, Earth, and physical scientists...here we have people who are right up close and personal with the wonders of nature, from the, not so simple, red blood cell, seen through an electron microscope, to the vastness and wonders of space, seen first-hand through powerful lenses, and far-earth space probes, etc., yet they still insist it's all by way of accident. Seems like they should be the first ones to believe in intelligent design; creation, considering that they have the minds and the tools to investigate, up close and personal, yet still deny all they see.
Romans 1:20
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse.
Well said Chris! To me wisdom is not remotely synonymous with intelligence.
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News Item4/3/19 3:06 PM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Frank Wrote:
"Most scientists probably have high IQs and they are well educated. Those things have no effect on understanding God’s word."

Hey Frank, I know I'm not having an epiphany here, but I've always found it really interesting how it is that the brightest minds are most often Athiests/evolutionists. Take astrophysicists, Earth, and physical scientists...here we have people who are right up close and personal with the wonders of nature, from the, not so simple, red blood cell, seen through an electron microscope, to the vastness and wonders of space, seen first-hand through powerful lenses, and far-earth space probes, etc., yet they still insist it's all by way of accident. Seems like they should be the first ones to believe in intelligent design; creation, considering that they have the minds and the tools to investigate, up close and personal, yet still deny all they see.

1 Corinthians 1:27
But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty.

Romans 1:20
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse.

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News Item4/3/19 1:50 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Neil wrote:
One often-overlooked exception: theologian Gordon Clark pointed out that researchers "smooth over" noisy experimental samples with statistical methods chosen arbitrarily, then choose an arbitrary, pretty equation which "fits" it and call it a Law. He was not a credentialed scientist but summarized it perfectly.
Thanks for your comment Neil. Most scientists probably have high IQs and they are well educated. Those things have no effect on understanding God’s word.

1 Corinthians 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

If I asked my grandsons if they believed in evolution; they would say of course. If you ask them why, they will just get a blank look on their faces. God said “let there be” and it was and that is enough for me. I don’t need carbon dating or some “pigs tooth” to convince me God’s word reigns supreme. I remember the Neanderthal man that was in my text books when I was young. In the end, they said it was a real pigs tooth on some farm. Yet, they published it as scientific fact.

An old joke; if you don't like what science says, just wait and they will change it.

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News Item4/3/19 12:07 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Frank wrote:
I have always been amused when people say they believe a scientific principle and they are not scientists and they don’t remotely understand why science claims something is true.
Sadly, people with no experience in experimental science or formal logic are easily deceived by smooth talking, pseudo-scientific storytellers like Carl Sagan. That includes theologians.

One often-overlooked exception: theologian Gordon Clark pointed out that researchers "smooth over" noisy experimental samples with statistical methods chosen arbitrarily, then choose an arbitrary, pretty equation which "fits" it and call it a Law. He was not a credentialed scientist but summarized it perfectly.

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News Item4/3/19 11:16 AM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
I argued for years with this fellow who was promoting an Old Earth Creation theory. He actually wrote books on the subject. What that basically said was “scripture” taught that the world was billions of years old and that humans were injected into the world millions of years ago. These folks actually use science to prove their positions and teach that scripture teaches the same thing in a “literal” way. It is championed by a astrophysicist name Hugh Ross and is also supported by the likes of Ankerberg and others.

Anyway, they claim they use scripture with science, but what they do is manipulate scripture to coincide with science. It is like theistic evolution. Scripture must match science and not the other way around.

I have always been amused when people say they believe a scientific principle and they are not scientists and they don’t remotely understand why science claims something is true. I call that itching ears.

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News Item4/3/19 10:51 AM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
The Quiet Christian wrote:
.. not interpreting scripture through the lens of the latest scientific thinking...
"Latest" speaks volumes. If science wasn't infallible in the past, then why should we believe it is now? I suspect the author's agenda was to open the door to Darwinism, which given the problems the Scientific Method has with the present, is even more discreditable in its claims about the past.

Atheist Bertrand Russell's astounding admission that Causation and Induction are unsolved rational problems with science should get *everyone's* attention. Why do Christian apologists throw sticks at atheists when bombs like that are available?

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News Item4/2/19 5:09 PM
The Quiet Christian  Find all comments by The Quiet Christian
It reminds me of a book I had to read in seminary, written by a prof at Calvin College, who was slamming preachers for not interpreting scripture through the lens of the latest scientific thinking. The Holy Spirit used the book to clarify my thinking on Genesis 1-11 by pointing out that not taking these chapters literally and plainly undercuts or simply guts the main doctrines that lead to the need for salvation.

One thing is for certain. If the crowd is all running one direction, the wise man stops and watches where they are going before joining the throng because there is likely a cliff up ahead. Best to stick to the ancient paths and the straight gate way.

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News Item4/2/19 4:03 PM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
"Instead of looking at different theological views, the book focuses on the varying theories within the sciences. Different scientific and theological views are compared,

***but the book primarily presents mainstream scientific theories as a paradigm to be learned and understood through the workings of science.***

***We’re looking at the consensus mainstream view.***"

I did read the entire article, but I think I'm having a dumb moment. I think it sort of sounds like they're trying to present a, "We just want everyone to have all of the facts, for a proper balance" type of scenario, but at the same time, lean towards science, so it sounds like the focus is more to indoctrinate, and do their best to morph a mere theory, into the creation account. I think they're trying to reconcile both, when the evolutionary sciences are based upon a whole lot of speculation, and the idea that with enough time, anything can happen.

They went on to say that while writing this book, at least five new hominin species had been discovered. What does that mean, a few shards of bone?

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News Item4/2/19 3:15 PM
Adriel  Find all comments by Adriel
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.

16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.

17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.

20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.

22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members."

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News Item4/2/19 3:00 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Science isn't inherently sinful so long as man admits its limitations and gives due honor to God. And one cannot live hour-to-hour, day-to-day, without making many empirical or "scientific" choices, such as "I predict that car will stop at the intersection while I cross" or "I expect the casserole will be done a half-hour from now."

Everyone is a practicing scientist.

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News Item4/2/19 2:48 PM
Adriel  Find all comments by Adriel
Only the blind and ignorant shall seek to compromise the Word of God - With mans sinful 'science(?)'.

John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved."

John 12:39 Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again,
40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them."

Eph 4:17 This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind,
18 Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:
19 Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness."

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News Item4/2/19 2:00 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
"... nature and scriptures shouldn't conflict because they’re both from God.”

True but grossly irrelevant, because unlike the Bible, which contains thousands of verbal propositions, nature reveals no propositions at all. One must measure and observe, and being empirical procedures, these vary and can err. This is why scientists, like politicians, keep flip-flopping their conclusions on various phenomena (and hedge with "more research is needed"). History is littered with abandoned theories since the Scientific Method cannot tell us anything universal about nature.

If we know anything about nature for certain, it's because the Bible tells us so since nature is mute.

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News Item4/2/19 1:13 PM
Moses | Los Angeles  Find all comments by Moses
“The BioLogos Foundation … that promotes Evolutionary Creationism … the harmony between science and biblical faith. “
From the camp of IVCF presenting a new tool to further the cause of the SATANIC lie of evolution.

Just like the evolution of modern fake bibles the pattern and logic are the same – time rules.

” harmony between science and biblical faith”. Science and Faith.

Evolution is not Science, but imaginative reality.
Faith in what God hath said recorded in the KJV is the truth, it is scientifically supported by the evidence of the past and of the present.

Young Earth creationism is the biblical faith and the truth.
Evolutionary Creationism is obviously an oxymoron Babylon, the world of confusion.

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