United Methodist Church on edge of breakup over LGBT stand
The United Methodist Church teetered on the brink of breakup Monday after more than half the delegates at an international conference voted to maintain bans on same-sex weddings and ordination of gay clergy.
Their favored plan, if formally approved, could drive supporters of LGBT inclusion to leave America's second-largest Protestant denomination.
A final vote on rival plans for the church's future won't come until Tuesday's closing session, and the outcome remains uncertain. But the preliminary vote Monday showed that the Traditional Plan, which calls for keeping the LGBT bans and enforcing them more strictly, had the support of 56 percent of the more than 800 delegates attending the three-day conference in St. Louis....
‚ÄúThe United Methodist Church ‚Ä¶ voted to maintain bans on same-sex weddings and ordination of gay clergy. ‚Ä¶ if formally approved, could drive supporters of LGBT inclusion to leave America's second-largest Protestant denomination.
Pro 30:12 ‚ÄúThere is a generation that are pure in their own eyes, & yet isn‚Äôt washed from their filthiness.‚ÄĚ
Pro 23:13 He that covereth his sins shalln‚Äôt prosper: but whoso confesseth & forsaketh them shall have mercy.‚ÄĚ
May the Lord encourage His people to stand up for truth , by loving on the lost. By proclaiming His truths, that one isn‚Äôt ready nor prepared for death with out the imputed righteousness of Christ Alone amen!
Mike Muzzerall; If you don't get Jesus right, it doesn't matter what else you do get right!‚ÄĚ
Hi Frank, it's a real headscratcher, isn't it? God couldn't have been any more clear on this topic, or on the fate of those who leave the natural order of things that He set up. He calls it an abomination, and the lifestyle is warned of throughout the old, and new testaments. Yet, it seems like "Christendom" seems to have some sort of an increasing blindness to the scriptures that clearly condemn the very things that they are promoting, and fighting to protect. How strange, and I can't process how it is that they can be convinced that the polor opposite of what scripture clearly states, is the real truth. I would liken it to the clear command, "Thou shalt not kill", which is crystal clear, and unmistakable as well, and "Christians" insisting that it's okay to murder, and actually being convinced of it, when God clearly says otherwise. Makes no sense, whatsoever.
Any group of people who do not understand the basics of the below should be treated as non-believers. Why would any believer choose to align with them in any way.
Eph. 5:31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. 32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
Genesis 5:2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [is] abomination. 23 Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it [is] confusion.
Hebrews 13:4 Marriage [is] honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.
Romans 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
""half the delegates at an international conference voted to maintain bans on same-sex weddings and ordination of gay clergy.""
"IF" They are trying to tell us they are a Christian church - Then their should be NO debate on this deviant practice.
The discussion has to be 'Do we believe and obey the Word of God.' OR - 'Do we ditch the Bible and ditch the teachings on repentance of sin.'
Thus Bible believers - otherwise known as Christians - Should leave an organisation which is antichrist and pro:Satan.
United Methodist is NOT a Christian church but follows the worldly ideology of reprobates and secular society.
Jude :7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. 8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities."
DF, the only way an individual Methodist congregation can take its church building with it, if it decides to leave the domination---is to pay for it
the people United Methodist Church wrote: Book of Discipline
¬∂ 2501. Requirement of the Trust Clause for All Property-1. All properties of United Methodist local churches and other United Methodist agencies and institutions are held, in trust, for the benefit of the entire denomination, and ownership and usage of church property is subject to the Discipline. This trust requirement is an essential element of the historic polity of The United Methodist Church or its predecessor denominations or communions and has been a part of the Discipline since 1797. It reflects the connectional structure of the Church by ensuring that the property will be used solely for purposes consonant with the mission of the entire denomination as set forth in the Discipline....
excerpt from, "United Methodist Church Book of Discipline"
The biggest problem the United Methodist Church had was in the 1980s, when many people voted with their feet and went to other churches. ūüĎć
This is Big News if we weren't paying attention to what is happening between India and Pakistan, Vietnam (source of most of our coffee), and Venezuela. This news is a Tip of an Iceberg for other Christian denominations that have accepted sodomites. Much is at stake, and not just the issues, but real estate. Will there be a break-away Methodist Church (probably the 56th one) that will keep the bans in place and the others that will not? What happens to those big denominational bureaucracies that they all pay into? If they run on a budget of $10 million, this would be cut by half or more. And who would own the church lands--the new national denomination or the old one? Some might even say this is a Land Grab of sorts, breaking apart the churches to get them to close to get their land, located many times on prime (expensive) downtown real estate.
therefore you are a witness unto yourselves, that you are the children of them who killed the prophets. Fill you up then the measure of your father's. You serpents you Generation of Vipers, how can you escape the Judgment of hell? Therefore behold, I send you prophets and wise men and scribes and some of them you will kill and crucify and some of them you will scorge in your synagogues. And persecute them from City to City. That upon you may come all the righteous blood she'd on the Earth,from the blood of righteous Abel,unto the blood Zachariah,the son Barachiah,who you slew between the temple and the alter. Verily I say unto you all these things will come upon this generation. How long will it be until the church is underground again.
William J. Abraham wrote: .... It has long been agreed that United Methodism is a coalition of diverse conviction and opinion, having been formed under the banner of theological pluralism. Church leaders took the view in the 1970s that the core identity of United Methodism, if there was one at all, was located in commitment to the Methodist Quadrilateral (Scripture, tradition, reason, and experience), and that this not only permitted but in fact sanctioned and fostered doctrinal pluralism.
Doctrinal pluralism, despite its intellectual incoherence, will work so long as something akin to Liberal Protestantism is held by the leadership of the church and so long as those who are not Liberal Protestants acquiesce....
excerpt from: https://tinyurl.com/jekd4zb (United Methodists at the End of the Mainline)
Even though Mr Abraham wrote this article 20 years ago it looks very pertinent and is an interesting read. It also shows that the Methodist really do not want to break up. Perhaps it would be better if they did -but- still I wouldn't bet that it's going to happen.