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FRONT PAGE  |  8/20/2019
SUNDAY, FEB 17, 2019  |  47 comments  |  1 commentary
Mohler, Akin apologize for backing accused leader
Southern Baptist Convention seminary presidents R. Albert Mohler Jr. and Danny Akin have apologized for their former support of C.J. Mahaney, a pastor accused of concealing sexual abuse at the ministry he used to lead.

Meanwhile, former SBC seminary president Paige Patterson has written a letter to the editor of the Houston Chronicle defending himself against accusations published in a three-part series this week about sexual abuse among Southern Baptists.

Mohler, president of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, told the Chronicle in an interview published Feb. 14 he "erred in being part of a statement supportive of (Mahaney)." Mohler apparently was referencing a 2013 statement issued with Mark Dever and Ligon Duncan vouching for Mahaney's "personal integrity" after a judge dismissed most of a lawsuit against Sovereign Grace Ministries, a network of churches Mahaney led until April 2013. The ...


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News Item2/21/19 5:20 PM
john's brother in Christ  Find all comments by john's brother in Christ
Take heed wrote:
John UK is a divisive character who speaks out of both sides of his mouth ...
Q: where do you believe John differs in doctrine to Spurgeon?

"Only Vultures would be circling for bones as one would think he was 'suddenly' an apostate by all the clamour. He makes simple challenges to some posters who maintain that they are biblicists...show me the men who preach the same and the churches that do likewise and he could show you thousands on SermonAudio that hold to the same doctrine as himself, including the founder of SermonAudio. He doesn't hide the fact where he stands ... J C Ryle's evangelistic preaching and where he believes the 1689 confession is scriptural. So he will be sadly missed.
'And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.' Eph 4:32

Just to clarify, you put words into my mouth as I clearly didn't call anyone a vulture or say any had said John was an apostate, but directing that the clamour was over the top, as less has been made over apostates, hence the scripture, before it DID BECOME picking at bones as though he was an apostate!

Would you care to answer the rest of the post so I can understand why you think he is divisive etc. thank y

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News Item2/21/19 12:46 PM
Take heed  Find all comments by Take heed
June A. Nadolny wrote:
take heed . .
With respect to Spurgeon's comments commending RC Mystic “Madame Guyon”,
you give excuses, you make allowances, you show deference
but
With respect to John-UK, your professed “brother in Christ” who also commended RC Mystic “Madame Guyon”, you pronounce an unqualified censure
I see you have real problems understanding this thread, so let me make this very simple for you.

Spurgeon was wrong in his assessment of Guyon and if he were still alive, I would criticise him also. Difference is that Spurgeon would have been open to reassess his opinion and would have repented. John is nothing like Spurgeon either in attitude or knowledge.

If I am critical of both, how am I a respecter of persons?

You on the other hand can condemn Guyon but justify those who commend her! Not wise.

I'm glad you're done. Does this mean you'll now abandon the topic? Somehow I doubt that your appetite for being divisive will allow it.

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News Item2/21/19 12:29 PM
June A. Nadolny | Holland, Ohio  Find all comments by June A. Nadolny
take heed . .
With respect to Spurgeon's comments commending RC Mystic “Madame Guyon”,
you give excuses, you make allowances, you show deference

but

With respect to John-UK, your professed “brother in Christ” who also commended RC Mystic “Madame Guyon”, you pronounce an unqualified censure

You apply one standard to C. H. Spurgeon and quite another to John-UK and not unlike the Pharisees you justify yourself in so doing.

But God is no “respecter of persons”

You call John-UK your brother in Christ, yet your harsh treatment of him proves otherwise.
Your graceless public censure and scathing denunciation of John-UK is undeservedly harsh, lacking empathy and devoid of Christian love.

Galatians 6:1
"Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted."

As I said . . I am convinced you have a personal grudge against John-UK,

your brother in Christ? ?

Let brotherly love continue

As you once said to me . .

"You’re getting nothing more from me."

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News Item2/21/19 11:41 AM
Take heed  Find all comments by Take heed
June A. Nadolny wrote:
you're a respecter of persons.
Not at all. Spurgeon has been in glory for a long time and does not need any censure from me. He knows better now. John UK is a divisive character who speaks out of both sides of his mouth and refuses to learn. Period.

You will note that since his departure it has been really peaceful here.

You are imitating him and trying to stoke the flames and cause division, which does not reflect well on you.

Why don't you start answering some questions instead of always posing them?

1. Was Spurgeon right in his assessment of Guyon?
2. If so, why do you condemn Guyon?
3. If you condemn Guyon, why do you seek to justify John UK and Spurgeon?

Maybe the questions are too difficult for you?

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News Item2/21/19 11:36 AM
June A. Nadolny | Holland, Ohio  Find all comments by June A. Nadolny
Maybe the reason you (take heed) make allowances for C. H. Spurgeon who commends RC Mystic "Madame Guyon",
while pronouncing an severe censure upon John-UK for commending her is because you're a respecter of persons.

or maybe you have a personal grudge against John-UK, whom you regard as your brother in Christ?

Let brotherly love continue

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News Item2/21/19 11:17 AM
Take heed  Find all comments by Take heed
June A. Nadolny wrote:
These are the words of C. H. Spurgeon, the "prince of preachers"
Spurgeon had the greater light
If he had the greater light and was right in his assessment, why do you condemn Guyon?

You wrote 2/20/19 6:30PM

I would NEVER commend her or her works, nor refer to her as a "noble Christian woman".

Maybe you're still thinking through your own position on whether to commend a practicing Roman Catholic who never said that Romanism was wrong doctrinally or otherwise? Can someone who is genuinely born again remain in the Harlot church or remain silent about the gross errors she teaches and promotes? Can such a person genuinely have a closer "mystical" relationship to God than someone who obediently separates from the false church and walks by faith, not by mystical feelings?

Do you know what mysticism teaches or how the RC mystics still teach RC as a valid way to God?

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News Item2/21/19 11:03 AM
June A. Nadolny | Holland, Ohio  Find all comments by June A. Nadolny
As I said, throughout this thread, I have provided quotes from Spurgeon's sermons in which he commends Roman Catholic mystic “Madame Guyon”

here's another . .

1) “The quietists and mystics are a class of people who have a peculiar attraction for my mind; and I suppose the mention of such a name as that of Madame Guyon, who, among females, stands at the very head of the school, will awaken in many of you many sweet remembrances of times enjoyed in reading her blessed hymns, and her sweet and admirable life."

Citation: 1) Source: Faith versus Sight By Charles Haddon Spurgeon
Scripture: 2 Corinthians 5:7 / Sermon No. 677 / From: Metropolitan Tabernacle Pulpit Volume 12
Link: https://www.spurgeon.org/resource-library/sermons/faith-versus-sight#flipbook/

C. H. Spurgeon had access to the writings of “Madame Guyon” . . he quoted her . . he read what she wrote . . he commended her !

Indeed C.H.Spurgeon had high thoughts for RC Mystic “Madame Guyon”, the very one he regards as a “noble Christian woman”? ?

See my post of: 2/18/19 6:04 PM at this thread for citation.

Please take note . .
These are the words of C. H. Spurgeon, the "prince of preachers"

Spurgeon had the greater light

Let brotherly love continue

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News Item2/21/19 10:55 AM
Take heed  Find all comments by Take heed
June A. Nadolny wrote:
That's just rubbish! Spurgeon lived from 1834 to 1892.
We know a great deal about Popery from the time of the Reformation, and from the writings of the Reformers and Puritans. All such resources Spurgeon had access to.

However, name me one volume written by either the Reformers or Puritans who wrote against Roman Catholic mystics. The mystics operated within the RCC, followed RC doctrine and practice etc and therefore were never the specific target of attacks by the Reformers or Puritans. Their specific form of "religion" has come to the fore in the 20th century as Rome stepped up her ecumenical efforts and attempted to fudge the differences between Protestants and Catholics on experiential grounds. Guyon is held out to us as a model RC Christian whom even Protestants could not object to as mysticism was on the rise

In the 20th century we have seen an explosion in the publication of the writings of these mystics, and also in Protestants answering these writings objecting to their use of seemingly orthodox language to hide their real Romanist teaching and their wholly unorthodox mysticism.

It is very telling how you keep parroting the same sentiments but refuse to answer the dilemma you've created for yourself.

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News Item2/21/19 10:54 AM
ladybug  Find all comments by ladybug
June

It seems you've hijacked this thread in an attempt to defend your friend, and attack a man who's been dead for a bit and unable to defend himself. It's safe to say that both your friend and Spurgeon were in error to defend and uphold Guyon, another mystic your friend defended was Watchman Nee. He holds to multiple errors in defending mystics and ecumenicals. With that said, it's hard for you to build a case for him when there's no repentance on his part.

Now, getting back to the topic of this thread, here's an update on the SBC scandal - https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Southern-Baptist-leader-targets-10-churches-after-13629003.php

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News Item2/21/19 10:25 AM
June A. Nadolny | Holland, Ohio  Find all comments by June A. Nadolny
I guess you missed this so I'll repost:
Take heed wrote:
“Much of what we know about Romanism was secret in Spurgeon's day, and certainly there was very little accessible information in the public domain of the writings and beliefs of the mystics. “
Rubbish! Spurgeon lived from 1834 to 1892.
Spurgeon was well-read and well-acquainted with the writings of the Reformers as well as the writings of Roman Catholics. He was well-informed on Romanism/Popery.

Regarding popery . . Spurgeon wrote:
"Popery is as much the masterpiece of Satan as the Gospel is the masterpiece of God! There can scarcely be imagined anything of devilish craftiness or Satanic wickedness which could be compared with her--she is unparalleled as the queen of iniquity. Behold upon her forehead the name, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. The Church of Rome and her teachings are a vast mountain of rubbish covering the Truth of God!"

Citation: From Sermon #1156 – entitled: RUBBISH

Furthermore,
I have provided quotes from Spurgeon's sermons in which he commends Roman Catholic mystic “Madame Guyon”,

C. H. Spurgeon had access to the writings of “Madame Guyon” . . he quoted her; he commended her

Spurgeon had the greater light

Let brotherly love con

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News Item2/21/19 10:15 AM
Take heed  Find all comments by Take heed
June A. Nadolny wrote:
take heed and read . .
You trip over yourself to excuse and absolve C. H. Spurgeon for commending RC Mystic “Madame Guyon” . . and I quote:
“Also, Spurgeon was much too generous in his assessment of many, whether RC or otherwise. It is understandable therefore that Spurgeon mischaracterised her.”
Yet you deliver a harsh censor against John-UK for doing likewise? And I quote:
1) 2/3/19 9:35 PM Take heed
“This sycophantic swooning over the departure of JUK is quite sickening. The man said he believed in a gracious salvation and justification by faith alone but then went on to recommend Billy Graham despite his ecumenism and also Guyon a RC mystic”
Precisely because we enjoy greater light; we have resources that Spurgeon did not possess.

Back to you. How do you justify Spurgeon and yet still condemn Guyon? And if you condemn Guyon, why are you trying to justify John UK?

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News Item2/21/19 10:00 AM
June A. Nadolny | Holland, Ohio  Find all comments by June A. Nadolny
take heed and read . .

You trip over yourself to excuse and absolve C. H. Spurgeon for commending RC Mystic “Madame Guyon” . . and I quote:

“Also, Spurgeon was much too generous in his assessment of many, whether RC or otherwise. It is understandable therefore that Spurgeon mischaracterised her.”

Yet you deliver a harsh censor against John-UK for doing likewise? And I quote:

1) 2/3/19 9:35 PM Take heed
“This sycophantic swooning over the departure of JUK is quite sickening. The man said he believed in a gracious salvation and justification by faith alone but then went on to recommend Billy Graham despite his ecumenism and also Guyon a RC mystic”

Cited from: SANews Item: DC school refuses to play sports at Christian school..

With respect to Spurgeon's comments commending RC Mystic “Madame Guyon”,
you make excuses, you give allowances, you show deference

but

With respect to John-UK, your professed “brother in Christ” who also commended RC Mystic “Madame Guyon”, you pronounce an unqualified censure

But God is no “respecter of persons”

Let brotherly love continue

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News Item2/21/19 9:45 AM
Take heed  Find all comments by Take heed
June A. Nadolny wrote:
That's just rubbish! Spurgeon lived from 1834 to 1892.
Spurgeon was well-read and well-acquainted with the writings of the Reformers as well as the writings of Roman Catholics. He was well-informed on Romanism/Popery.

I have provided quotes from Spurgeon's sermons in which he commends Roman Catholic mystic “Madame Guyon”,
so it is quite apparent that C. H. Spurgeon had access to the writings of “Madame Guyon” . . he quoted her . . he read what she wrote . . he commended her.

You clearly have a real issue here. If you insist that he had read her own writings and understood what a mystic like Guyon meant beyond the plain words she wrote (because mystics used common language to mean much more) then you must approve of Guyon as well. But you don't! So which is it? Spurgeon was right? In which case why do you disapprove? If Spurgeon was wrong, then why are you trying so hard to get him to be right?

I am beginning to wonder whether even you know exactly what you're arguing for here.

And all this subtle and futile web weaving is an attempt by you to extricate yourself from commending John UK when he approved of both her and Graham. Staggering.

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News Item2/21/19 9:04 AM
June A. Nadolny | Holland, Ohio  Find all comments by June A. Nadolny
Take heed wrote:
“Much of what we know about Romanism was secret in Spurgeon's day, and certainly there was very little accessible information in the public domain of the writings and beliefs of the mystics. “

That's just rubbish! Spurgeon lived from 1834 to 1892.
Spurgeon was well-read and well-acquainted with the writings of the Reformers as well as the writings of Roman Catholics. He was well-informed on Romanism/Popery.

Regarding popery . . Spurgeon wrote:
"Popery is as much the masterpiece of Satan as the Gospel is the masterpiece of God! There can scarcely be imagined anything of devilish craftiness or Satanic wickedness which could be compared with her--she is unparalleled as the queen of iniquity. Behold upon her forehead the name, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. The Church of Rome and her teachings are a vast mountain of rubbish covering the Truth of God!"

Citation: From Sermon #1156 – entitled: RUBBISH

Furthermore,
I have provided quotes from Spurgeon's sermons in which he commends Roman Catholic mystic “Madame Guyon”,

so it is quite apparent that C. H. Spurgeon had access to the writings of “Madame Guyon” . . he quoted her . . he read what she wrote . . he commended her.

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News Item2/21/19 9:00 AM
JAL  Find all comments by JAL
Hey you commentators - do you think Jesus is pleased with your attitudes
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News Item2/21/19 7:49 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
News flash: Jussie Smullett has been arrested, and charged. Nice to see one of their own taken down for a crime for a change. The media coverage on this has been little to none because he's a liberal, of course. His story was that two white men assaulted him, beat him up, tried to strangle him, poured bleach on him to try and turn him white, yelled racial and homophobic slurs, and told him to get out of MAGA town. Jussie Smullett is a poster boy; the current face of the Domocratic party.

Following the horrible attack, and barely escaping with his very life, he arrives back to his building with a rope still around his neck, and his tuna sandwich, which he grabbed before the alleged assault, perfectly intact. I sure hope he doesn't get to walk away from this with some community service or something. Either way, his career is done, so talk about a backfire.

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News Item2/21/19 7:36 AM
Dr. Tim | Land of Cotton  Find all comments by Dr. Tim
At least Spurgeon never changed his position on National Dress Like a Bum and Push a Shopping Cart Day.
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News Item2/21/19 6:56 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Ladybug Wrote:
"Spurgeon should get the benefit of the doubt because of the lack of resources in his day..."

True, and I'm going to stand by an earlier commwnt when I said that Spurgeon could have been operating off of low information, or, simple heresay at the time to form his opinion/conclusion. Also, as Neil said, we are much more in tune with the inner workings of Rome these days, whereas, they really were shrouded in mystery up until more recent times. On the other hand, Spurgeon may not deserve a pass, and may have been privy to all of the information needed to dismiss her, yet, for some reason, commended, and promoted her. Either way, he was a man prone to error, just as any other man. He made mistakes, and corrected them as he saw them. He even flip-flopped on Christmas, promoting it hard, and then later on, warning against it, so he was a man learning...a work in progress.

Bottomline is that we don't know why he commended, and promoted her, but I have no doubt in my mind that if he had the same resources we now do at our disposal, he would have flip-flopped on her as well. He was either deceived at the time; in error, or he formed his view off of scant information.

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News Item2/21/19 12:42 AM
ladybug  Find all comments by ladybug
June,

It would appear you are using a double standard - one for Spurgeon and another for your friend. Now, your friend has technology not available in Spurgeon's day to do better research, not only that, your friend was shown his error and he rejected truth to cleave to his error. Spurgeon should get the benefit of the doubt because of the lack of resources in his day, along with the fact that he isn't able to defend himself.
Your friend quoted Spurgeon in defense of his stance on Guyon, now you quote Spurgeon in an attempt to do what?

As for research, please don't try and twist the meaning of why I stated we can do our own research. That was in reference to your continual copy and paste tactics.
It seems you just want to argue, so be it.
There comes a time when we can become clanging cymbals, may the Lord show us if that is the case.

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News Item2/20/19 8:23 PM
June A. Nadolny | Holland, Ohio  Find all comments by June A. Nadolny
A couple of days ago, you told me not to do research ? ?

2/15/19 6:02 PM ladybug
"June,
I think we are all capable of doing the research if we so desire. Although your enthusiasm is commendable, you may want to end your constant posts on this matter, it is possible to get too carried away. Overkill sometimes produces the opposite of what you hope to accomplish.

Again thank you for your efforts."
****

Citation: SA News Item: Pope Francis Signs Agreement with Imam, Heading Closer to One-World Religion

*******
Let me see . .
John-UK is rebuked for commending Roman Catholic "Madame Guyon"

while . .

C. H. Spurgeon, the "prince of preachers", whom I have quoted below,
commends Roman Catholic "Madame Guyon" and is not? ?

Maybe both John-UK & C. H. Spurgeon were deceived.

And many more Christians continue to be deceived thanks to the late Billy Graham:

Graham Center Pushing Contemplative Mysticism

https://www.practicalbible.com/news/graham-center-pushing-contemplative-mysticism

Thank you for your efforts.

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