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FRONT PAGE  |  4/19/2019
MONDAY, JAN 14, 2019  |  64 comments
Controversial Baptist pastor Donnie Romero resigns due to adultery

Donnie Romero, an adherent of the New Independent Fundamentalist Baptist Movement and controversial founder of Stedfast Baptist Church in Fort Worth, Texas, resigned due to sex with prostitutes, gambling and marijuana use.

“I just want to let you guys know that I’m stepping down as the pastor of Stedfast Baptist Church,” Romero revealed to his church as his voice quivered in a video posted by the church on YouTube on Jan. 2.

“I haven’t been ruling my house well. I’ve been a terrible husband and father. I’m the one at fault in this situation. My wife and my kids they are not to blame. I love Stedfast Baptist Church, love my family. This is the best decision for my family and this church to make,” he said as a baby cooed in the background and his congregation listened in silence. ...


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News Item1/28/19 5:50 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Jeremiah 23:14
In the prophets of Jerusalem I have also seen a horrible thing: they commit adultery and walk in lies. They strengthen the hands of evildoers, so that no one returns from his wickedness. They have all become to me as Sodom, and its inhabitants as Gomorrah.”

MHCC wrote:
Jeremiah 14:9-22
The false prophets of Samaria had deluded the Israelites into idolatries; yet the Lord considered the false prophets of Jerusalem as guilty of more horrible wickedness, by which the people were made bold in sin. These false teachers would be compelled to suffer the most bitter part of the Lord's indignation. They made themselves believe that there was no harm in sin, and practised accordingly; then they made others believe so. Those who are resolved to go on in evil ways, will justly be given up to believe strong delusions. But which of them had received any revelation of God, or understood any thing of his word? There was a time coming when they would reflect on their folly and unbelief with remorse. The teaching and example of the true prophets led men to repentance, faith, and righteousness. The false prophets led men to rest in forms and notions, and to be quiet in their sins. Let us take heed that we do not follow unrighteousness.
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News Item1/19/19 2:39 PM
B. McCausland  Find all comments by B. McCausland
Lurker wrote:
Benjamin,
Full on KJV onlyism has baggage that I doubt anyone here agrees with completely. I suspect if you asked, John would say he is TR only as I am. The reason?
If we can agree that the Protestant Reformation was God's work, what came out of it that never existed before for English speaking people? A vernacular bible free from the dictates of church and state. That work began in 1526 with Tyndale's NT and culminated with the Geneva Bible in 1560 and the TR was the underlying Greek text. Competing Greek texts didn't show up for another 320 years.
So the question that needs asked: Did God have to wait until 1881 to begin perfecting the work He started in 1526?
Some rationale, Lurker.

*

Perhaps, an integrity-relapsed evangelical society explains why dubious versions are so vigorously supported.
After all, where personal moral righteousness is negotionable, God's Word can also be easily tampered.

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News Item1/19/19 1:21 PM
B. McCausland  Find all comments by B. McCausland
j3 wrote:
When will it end? Are we to be at the mercy of so-called scholarship and people digging stuff up in the dirt forever?
What a weariness.
Is God's word never to be settled?
It took a long time for me to grow up and quit playing scholar. What I found was that being obsessed with the original and version differences was a way to keep God at bay. I grew a lot when I came to rest on the KJV. And I got no help from reformed pastors playing scholar. God had to deliver me from the hidden neo-orthdoxy of our day.
Is the KJV perfect? ... It is a good starting point. And God is honored that I believe in His providential preservation
Certainly, integrity of character backs the coming into existence of the KJV, but the same cannot be said of the apostate versions, and this tells it all.
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News Item1/19/19 7:07 AM
sc  Find all comments by sc
...still waiting for an error in the KJV

Only Christ is the Morning Star.
Other versions has Lucifer as the morning star as well.

GRAVE errors

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News Item1/19/19 6:06 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Here is an example for thinking men.

Three Bibles, and we look at one verse and one word in that verse.

Bible 1 = Bnutl
Bible 2 = Bnity
Bible 3 = omitted

Are all three an accurate translation?

Obviously not, because Bible 3 omitted it entirely. Does that mean 3 is incorrect? Not necessarily. Bibles 1 & 2 have a different word. Does that mean one of them is wrong and the other right? Not necessarily, they both might be wrong. One thing is for sure, they both cannot be right. And another thing is for sure: all three CANNOT be right.

Now apply these thoughts to the Bible you hold in your hand. It is different from other Bibles, so how is your assurance that you have the word of God?

When I hold a Bible in my hand and speak words from it to sinners, I tell them that THIS is the word of God, nothing doubting.

What Bible? The King James Bible.

But another Bible, like the NIV, was translated partly from the TR and partly from those wretched Westcott & Hort abominable Greek mss called Vaticanus and Sinaiticus. I'm talking here of the NT, okay?

Now do these people who higher criticised the Bible hold an NIV and say, "This IS the word of God."?

No they don't, and friends, you need to realise that.

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News Item1/18/19 8:24 PM
j3  Find all comments by j3
Benjamin wrote:
But some reasons are for textual criticism issues. We are constantly finding new papyri and are being able to learn more about God’s word. So there are updates.
When will it end? Are we to be at the mercy of so-called scholarship and people digging stuff up in the dirt forever?

What a weariness.

Is God's word never to be settled?

It took a long time for me to grow up and quit playing scholar. What I found was that being obsessed with the original and version differences was a way to keep God at bay. I grew a lot when I came to rest on the KJV. And I got no help from reformed pastors playing scholar. God had to deliver me from the hidden neo-orthdoxy of our day.

Is the KJV perfect? I will say this, it is good enough to get me to glory. It is a good starting point. And God is honored that I believe in His providential preservation, and I believe in His Church and the job it did on this great work.

The KJV is a believers Bible.

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News Item1/18/19 11:22 AM
Dr. Tim | Land of Cotton  Find all comments by Dr. Tim
“And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, THE SAME commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also.” (II Timothy 2:2)
“God’s only Son” is not the same as God’s only BEGOTTEN Son. (John 3:16)
“His father and mother” is not the same as Joseph and his mother (Luke 2:33).
“You, O LORD, will keep us” is not only not the same, but is in fact the exact opposite, of “Thou shalt keep them, O LORD” (not to mention that there is a grammatical error in the phrase “You, O LORD”).
The only English Bible that is an accurate translation of accurate Greek and Hebrew manuscripts is the KJB. The others are without exception corrupt, Westcott and Hort were corrupt, and all who insist on defending their corrupt work are dishonest and corrupt as well. We must teach the SAME things, folks. Things that are different are not the same.
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News Item1/18/19 10:45 AM
sc  Find all comments by sc
I haven't found any errors in the KJV.

However, here is just one example where the KJV only gets it right:

The only One full of grace is:

John 1:14 KJV

14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

The nasb version would have Stephen "full of grace" rather than "full of faith" in Acts 6:8

...just an example of how the Word gets perverted...which sets up for crazy ideas as Mary then being full of grace

It's not insignificant.

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News Item1/18/19 10:13 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Lurker wrote:
Benjamin,
If we can agree that the Protestant Reformation was God's work, what came out of it that never existed before for English speaking people? A vernacular bible free from the dictates of church and state. That work began in 1526 with Tyndale's NT and culminated with the Geneva Bible in 1560 and the TR was the underlying Greek text. Competing Greek texts didn't show up for another 320 years.
So the question that needs asked: Did God have to wait until 1881 to begin perfecting the work He started in 1526?
Agree, Lurker. And another question on top of that might be, "Would God ever use corrupted mss to perfect his word, anyway?"

Connor7 wrote:
@John, I’ll get back to you, but I ask that you show some respect and not falsely accuse me.
Okay it's a deal, Connor. But I ask that you show some respect and not falsely accuse me.
__________

edit

Connor, if you say there are more than three differences between the Oxford and Cambridge KJV's, please teach me something, and point me to an article which documents this. Thank you.

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News Item1/18/19 10:11 AM
Connor7  Find all comments by Connor7
@John, I thought you were a KJVonlyist, especially since the argumentation you utilized was much like the KJVonly camp, and your answers were like KJVonlyists, so it's easy how people could misidentify your position. Furthermore, the article you directed me to says that the KJV is the Bible that God gave to America. Another trademark of KJVonlyism. But I should've asked what your position really is.

And there's more than those three that the article mentioned, but since you're not a classic KJVonlyist it kinda is a point not worth pursuing (in my opinion), I recommend the KJVonly controversy by James White, unfortunately I can't spend anymore time on this, whether or not you'll see it as a retreat I don't know, but I've got a lot of catching up to do, I'm teaching a class this Sunday, I have to catch up on my personal studies, and I am putting together a series for my church, so I have a lot to do and I can't spend anymore time on this.

Thanks for spending time on this issue, I hope you have a good weekend, and may God's blessing be on your life.

BTW, I think Benjamin thought you represent the views of Dr. Sam Gipp

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News Item1/18/19 5:51 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Benjamin wrote:
John UK. You sound like someone who doesn’t read or study the other side. Like a classic KJV onlyist you think that “well all the modern translations are wrong and were put together by imposters” is an argument. It’s not. It’s just an admission that you don’t read the other side. You just listen to the tangents of other KJV onlyists. Your world is small, very small. Good luck telling Chinese, Arabic, basically anyone the Gospel. They have to learn English first I guess. You position is incoherent and stubborn this is why these convos never go well.
Benjamin, get my position correct, and we can have an amicable convo. Misrepresent me, and it's all downhill - your fault.

1. You call me a classic KJV-Onlyist. Untrue.

2. You misquote me: “well all the modern translations are wrong and were put together by imposters”. I never said that. Untrue.

3. You claim I listen to KJV-Onlyists. I most certainly do NOT. Untrue.

4. You imagine that if I evangelised in China or Arabia I would teach them English first and use the KJV to preach to them. Untrue.

5. You say my position is incoherent, and I am stubborn. Untrue.

Thusly your whole post is a pack of lies from start to finish. Devilish.

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News Item1/17/19 9:50 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
Benjamin wrote:
John UK. You sound like someone who doesn’t read or study the other side. Like a classic KJV onlyist you think that “well all the modern translations are wrong and were put together by imposters” is an argument. It’s not. It’s just an admission that you don’t read the other side. You just listen to the tangents of other KJV onlyists. Your world is small, very small. Good luck telling Chinese, Arabic, basically anyone the Gospel. They have to learn English first I guess. You position is incoherent and stubborn this is why these convos never go well.
Benjamin,

Full on KJV onlyism has baggage that I doubt anyone here agrees with completely. I suspect if you asked, John would say he is TR only as I am. The reason?

If we can agree that the Protestant Reformation was God's work, what came out of it that never existed before for English speaking people? A vernacular bible free from the dictates of church and state. That work began in 1526 with Tyndale's NT and culminated with the Geneva Bible in 1560 and the TR was the underlying Greek text. Competing Greek texts didn't show up for another 320 years.

So the question that needs asked: Did God have to wait until 1881 to begin perfecting the work He started in 1526?

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News Item1/17/19 6:47 PM
Connor7  Find all comments by Connor7
@John, I’ll get back to you, but I ask that you show some respect and not falsely accuse me.
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News Item1/17/19 6:23 PM
Benjamin | KCK  Find all comments by Benjamin
John UK. You sound like someone who doesn’t read or study the other side. Like a classic KJV onlyist you think that “well all the modern translations are wrong and were put together by imposters” is an argument. It’s not. It’s just an admission that you don’t read the other side. You just listen to the tangents of other KJV onlyists. Your world is small, very small. Good luck telling Chinese, Arabic, basically anyone the Gospel. They have to learn English first I guess. You position is incoherent and stubborn this is why these convos never go well.
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News Item1/17/19 5:17 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
"Sin in the church must be dealt with according to the instruction God has given. Within the church - that is the dwelling place of God - blatant immorality cannot be practiced, nor tolerated. When the church fails to carry out its responsibility to deal with sin, God will - and it will be painful to the church and the individual."

http://tinysa.com/313698 (How the Church Must Deal with Sin) a sermon by Dr. Rugh

The Following elaborates on why adulterous pastors are not to be restored to the pastorate

https://tinyurl.com/hn99kad (Why Adulterous Pastors Should Not Be Restored)

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News Item1/17/19 2:36 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Connor7 wrote:
@j3, which KJV are you referring to? Oxford or Cambridge? Because they differ from each other.
Since they differ how do we know which is right?
John UK wrote:
Connor, are these the differences you are referring to?
http://www.35thavenuebaptist.org/oxford-kjb-or-cambridge-kjb.html
Or are you saying that there are substantial differences between the versions? Differences that will actually have an impact.
Connor, this was my first post to you on this subject. What happened to your answer? I haven't seen one. Could it possibly have anything to do with the fact that although you say they differ, you never gave proof or said what the differences were. Is that an argument? Not at all.

I gave you the opportunity to read the article, which shows three very minor differences, and what do you do? Oh just ignore it and come back with more questions. And when you've stacked up twenty questions on me, you then accuse me of not answering any of your questions.

To which I have to

Now do you want to answer my one simple question? Or shall we call it a night?

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News Item1/17/19 2:28 PM
Connor7  Find all comments by Connor7
“Now Connor, it is easy for all to see that your gracious introduction and desire for a peaceable debate was nothing of the sort;”

Sir, I’m sorry that you can’t see that is my heart’s desire. I’m afraid that you’re indirectly saying that you know my heart.,

“you actually want a fight. If not, why are you fighting, with all your might?”

Sir, I don’t want a fight, I’m not sure how you can say that. And sir, I’m not “fighting with all my might, I don’t know why you think I’m fighting. This is what I meant that it never goes well.

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News Item1/17/19 2:09 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Connor, you are on your own with this, because no-one involved with higher criticism will agree with you. So if you are making a case for modern versions, where are you getting your ideas from?

Regarding your first two points.

1. I was under the impression you believed there was a difference between the Oxford and Cambridge KJV's. I gave you a link and asked you if these were the differences mentioned in the article. You never got back to me on that one.

2. Are you really unaware that the KJV translators made use of the Bishop's Bible, and probably others also, as the base model for the KJV? Connor, please do some research on the KJV and how we got such a magnificent Bible. The KJV began with the base and checked out the Hebrew (for the OT) and the Received Text Greek (for the NT). In other words, they did a thorough job of it. Today's "translators" are impostors who I wouldn't give the time of day to.

Now Connor, it is easy for all to see that your gracious introduction and desire for a peaceable debate was nothing of the sort; you actually want a fight. If not, why are you fighting, with all your might?

Can you calm down please and have a peaceable convo?

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News Item1/17/19 1:54 PM
Connor7  Find all comments by Connor7
“Connor, you do realise that no-one can prove anything about the Bible, don't you? Without the autographs, you have various options.”

Sir, 2,000+ years ago, when Jesus was teaching the OT, are you seriously suggesting that He could not prove the OT? And not only Jesus, but the apostles as well?

So by fulfilling the OT He could not prove the OT? Because they didn’t have the originals. Sir, your viewpoint means we could never know what any person actually said until modern times where we have original autographs, you’re suggesting that we can’t do any meaningful historical research on what people like Josephus actually said.

You are taking a Bart Ehrman type of approach to the scriptures. Furthermore you have failed to respond to my rebuttals.

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News Item1/17/19 1:11 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Connor7 wrote:
John Uk,

Your whole post is based on misunderstanding, inconsistent reasoning, a faulty and unsupported framework, unsubstantiated assertions, and a sort of subjective epistemology. I’m sorry that you fail to recognize (or don’t see) the flaws of your argumentation.

Connor, you do realise that no-one can prove anything about the Bible, don't you? Without the autographs, you have various options.

1. All copies over the centuries were perfect and preserved intact.

The problem with this, is that not all copies are the same.

2. Some copies over the centuries were perfect and preserved intact.

The problem is deciding which copies are perfect and preserved intact. **

3. No copies over the centuries were perfect, even if they were preserved intact.

The problem here is that every Bible will have imperfections, and the words inerrant and inspired become obsolete.

** The Received Text is based around over 5,000 extant mss, and I'm sure a computer buff could enter all the details and come up with a consensus, which would be extremely similar to the King James Bible. The Vaticanus and Sinaiticus, and a few other mss, are not the way to go, especially as they differ so much between them.

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