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FRONT PAGE  |  8/17/2019
SATURDAY, JAN 12, 2019  |  46 comments
Andy Stanley says Ten Commandments don't apply

Christians should quit erecting Ten Commandments displays and should instead consider making monuments dedicated to the Sermon on the Mount, popular pastor Andy Stanley said.

In a column published by Relevant Magazine, the North Point Community Church pastor argued that the Ten Commandments are “the old covenant” and no longer apply to believers.

"[I]f we’re going to create a monument to stand as a testament to our faith, shouldn’t it at least be a monument of something that actually applies to us?" he posed.

“Participants in the new covenant (that’s Christians) are not required to obey any of the commandments found in the first part of their Bibles,” wrote Stanley. “Participants in the new covenant are expected to obey the single command Jesus issued as part of his new covenant: as I have loved you, so you must love one another.” ...


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News Item1/18/19 11:24 AM
John Yurich USA | John Yurich USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Stanley is incorrect.
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News Item1/13/19 8:52 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Dr. Rugh wrote:
...this section explains how the Gospel sets the believer free from the power and authority of the Mosaic Law.

The church at Rome was primarily Gentile. Jews who were professing to be believers were creating confusion by their insistence and teaching that faith in Christ was not enough to be saved and sanctified. They taught that to complete salvation and live pleasing to God believers need to live under the authority of the Mosaic Law. Paul wrote telling the purpose and place of the Law in believer's lives.

The reign of grace replaces the reign of sin and the reign of the Law....

excerpt from,

http://tinysa.com/sermon/6410124037 " Freedom from the Mosaic Law"

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News Item1/13/19 1:30 PM
1517  Find all comments by 1517
Yes, thou shall not have any gods before me and those pesky piccadilloes concerning murder, coveting, and lying are “old” covenant matters for the ancients. Right.

Jesus came to FULFILL the law, not ABOLISH it.

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News Item1/13/19 9:47 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
J4 wrote:
John UK...
Sounds like a tithe to me. However, if you want to say they came together on the first day of the week to give to charity, I suppose that is alright too.
I think they were storing it at the church, as they also did in Galatia, on the first day of the week.
John, Paul had instructed the churches in Galatia already, it was all about a collection for the saints in Jerusalem, not a tithing.

You may be right about it being collected and held at the assembly room, John Calvin agrees. But the translation "first day of the week" is clearly incorrect. It should read Sabbath, or one of the Sabbaths.

"On one of the Sabbaths. The end is this — that they may have their alms ready in time. He therefore exhorts them not to wait till he came, as anything that is done suddenly, and in a bustle, is not done well, but to contribute on the Sabbath what might seem good, and according as every one’s ability might enable — that is, on the day on which they held their sacred assemblies." JC

Well, there goes Sunday worship, eh?

Thanks for forcing me into doing a study on this.

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News Item1/13/19 8:17 AM
John for JESUS | Atl  Find all comments by John for JESUS
John UK...

Sounds like a tithe to me. However, if you want to say they came together on the first day of the week to give to charity, I suppose that is alright too.

I think they were storing it at the church, as they also did in Galatia, on the first day of the week. If they were storing it individually, they wouldn’t need to wait until the first day of the week to do so. They would just put some on the side whenever they received money. Secondly, Paul would have then had to collect up all of the money when he got there, which he said he was trying to avoid.

Maybe I’m wrong, but It doesn’t matter because I still have to attend church on Sunday because my church meets then as most do.

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News Item1/13/19 6:28 AM
Buckeyes | USA  Find all comments by Buckeyes
(TMC)

'Stanley went on to say that he believed so much of the evils committed by churches over history were connected to them trying to mix aspects of the old covenant with Christianity and that although “Jesus was foreshadowed in the old covenant, he did not come to extend it.”

“Error is old, but older still is the Truth that overcomes it” ~ Julie Sutter

A little refresher course on the heresy of Marcionism:
https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/kevin-deyoung/marcion-getting-unhitched-old-testament/

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News Item1/13/19 5:57 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
J4 wrote:
“On the first day of every week, each of you is to put something aside and store it up, as he may prosper, so that there will be no collecting when I come.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭16:2‬
They collected tithes on the first day of the week.
J4, there is absolutely no mention of tithing in this verse. Nor is there a collection for that church. It was only a method for saving up money for the poor brethren in Jerusalem. It has nothing to do with a church service on a Sunday. The money was to be kept aside by each person, not given in an offertory box. Duh.

Oh John, why oh why do you accept what Yee Ha preachers tell you, rather than study the Bible for yourself? This is not rocket science, a ten year old will reach the same conclusion about what this text is saying. Which makes you wonder what is wrong with these Yee Ha preachers.

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News Item1/13/19 5:54 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Andy Stanley has made some good points
from the SA article:
'Stanley went on to say that he believed so much of the evils committed by churches over history were connected to them trying to mix aspects of the old covenant with Christianity and that although “Jesus was foreshadowed in the old covenant, he did not come to extend it.”

'“Dear Christian reader: Why? Why? Why would we even be tempted to reach back beyond the cross to borrow from a covenant that was temporary and inferior to the covenant established for us at Calvary?”'

Stanley makes a good argument on this. As Michael Vlach pointed out in the earlier article that I mentioned, we are not a part of a new Israel! 👎

I don't think Stanley can't ignore comments by Jesus such as:

Matthew 22:34-40
But the Pharisees, when they heard that he had silenced the Sadducees, gathered themselves together. One of them, a lawyer, asked him a question, testing him. “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the law?” Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ This is the first and great commandment. A second likewise is this, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ The whole law and the prophets depend on these two commandmen

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News Item1/13/19 5:41 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Michael J. Vlach wrote:
Hermeneutics
Hermeneutics deals with principles for Bible interpretation. Dispensationalists affirm a consistent historical-grammatical or literal hermeneutic applied to all areas of Scripture, including eschatology (end times) and Old Testament passages related to national Israel. This approach includes a literal understanding of passages concerning Israel’s land, the temple, Jerusalem, etc. Dispensationalism affirms that all details of the Old Testament prophecies, promises, and covenants must be fulfilled in the way the original inspired Bible authors intended. There are no non-literal or spiritual fulfillments of physical and national promises in the Bible. Nor does the New Testament reinterpret, transcend, transform, or spiritualize promises and prophecies in the Old Testament. With Dispensationalism, what you see is what you get in the Bible....
excerpt from: "What Are the Most Important Differences between Dispensationalism and Covenant Theology?"

https://tinyurl.com/yblu7avj

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News Item1/13/19 4:10 AM
B. McCausland  Find all comments by B. McCausland
Stevenr wrote:
The context is the weaker brethren trying to continue to follow the aspects of the law that were no longer binding: (Co.2)
The ceremonial law, being types of the better covenant ceased, e.g. the sacrifices and oblations for sin, however, the decalogue stands as the perfect and pure law by which Christ desires his children to live.

The verses J4J posted denoted the first day of the week. Pentecost followed on the 50th day after the passover, which not being a multiple of seven, (7x7=49,+1) fell on the first day of the week as the resurrection

John UK
On a note of grief along your last comment, it is disgusting to observe the lack of integrity of some who say to profess the name of Christ. Not entering into the realm of nationalities as if one ethnic group was better that the other because all 'have sinned', but cultures were the gospel has shaped character tend to display more integrity, as what it was known in Britain as the 'Christian gentleman's word'.

Wherever the carry on of the ye haa preachers you talk about abounds, the more one finds character flaws displayed in a forum as this by the moniker business, some even sustaining double personalities with them, the insult culture, and the warp dialogue and logic.

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News Item1/13/19 3:31 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
B. McCausland wrote:
True, John.
Blessed are ye when men speaking evil of you.
Jesus said, many good works have I done among you, for which do you stone me?
However, religious fellows went on blaspheming God while arguing Christ himself.
Religious is the word. That's what these anonymous trolls remind me of. Or should I say the troll with many monikers. It happened in the past when one troll said something, and then he would come back with another moniker and support himself, as if to bolster his position. And then a third, and so on.
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News Item1/13/19 12:54 AM
Stevenr | Missouri  Find all comments by Stevenr
Or were you not planning on considering John’ for Jesus’s posted texts?
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News Item1/13/19 12:53 AM
Stevenr | Missouri  Find all comments by Stevenr
The context is the weaker brethren trying to continue to follow the aspects of the law that were no longer binding: (see Colossians 2)
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News Item1/12/19 8:23 PM
B. McCausland  Find all comments by B. McCausland
Stephenr
Romans 14 does not meet here.
How is it that we make one of God's commands obsolete by a disconnected passage?

This is what the Pharisees did misusing scripture to invalidate the 5th commandment

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News Item1/12/19 7:58 PM
Stevenr | Missouri  Find all comments by Stevenr
A passage to add John for Jesus

Romans 14:5-6
One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

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News Item1/12/19 7:22 PM
B. McCausland  Find all comments by B. McCausland
True, John.

Blessed are ye when men speaking evil of you.

Jesus said, many good works have I done among you, for which do you stone me?

However, religious fellows went on blaspheming God while arguing Christ himself.

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News Item1/12/19 6:48 PM
sojourner | wilderness  Find all comments by sojourner
1/10/19 2:36 PM
John UK | Wales

I have always said, if anyone wants to learn something, there is over a million sermons here on SA from a variety of sources, some of them even going back centuries. Go there if you want to learn, not the forums where there is nothing but debate and people hurling insults.

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News Item1/12/19 6:19 PM
Fed up  Find all comments by Fed up
B. McCausland wrote:
We are speaking about one day after 6 days of work
"He that has ears can hear"
Sorry, but no further engangement will follow
Called the “seventh day” for a reason and repeated again in Exodus 20 as the seventh day for a reason which reason you want to obliterate. As I said stop teaching and preaching.
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News Item1/12/19 6:04 PM
B. McCausland  Find all comments by B. McCausland
We are speaking about one day after 6 days of work

"He that has ears can hear"

Sorry, but no further engangement will follow

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News Item1/12/19 5:50 PM
Fed up  Find all comments by Fed up
B. McCausland wrote:
Yes, Fed up, those fussing about the particular day are only serving themselves of a pretext to get away from the issue dismissing the reality of the command at will; this is what this particular sentence was to mean, which for lack of space could not be completed.
Direspect toward woman, which Christ honoured, hides well behind a misplaced church protocol and behind new monikers, which as John UK pointed out show lack of Christian character.
Out of vast experience here, communication under such terms will not be considered for future dialogue, as it only brings back blot upon the engaging person as said in the Proverbs.
The day of rest was based upon God's rest on the seventh day which is why THAT day was hallowed. You're now saying that God chose a day at random and it's not important which day is the day of rest, which is just erroneous. Stop preaching and teaching.
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