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FRONT PAGE  |  8/17/2019
WEDNESDAY, JAN 9, 2019  |  83 comments
Russian Patriarch Warns ‘Antichrist’ Will Control Humans Through Gadgets

The leader of the Russian Orthodox Church has said that humans’ dependence on modern technology will result in the coming of the Antichrist.

In an interview with Russian state media, Patriarch Kirill explained he does not entirely oppose gadgets, but warned against “falling into slavery” to smartphones.

Patriarch Kirill said that the collection of user data including “location, interests and fears” will make it possible for humans to be controlled by external forces.


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News Item1/15/19 6:04 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Dr. Tim wrote:
Do I want to have a go at answering the question, John? No. I want to start obeying Titus 3:9. I want to stop wasting my time on such fruitless endeavors as debating those who know a lot about what the Bible says, but have little understanding of what it means. I want to do something worth doing—which pretty much eliminates posting comments on SA (Schismatics Anonymous).
Doc, what's up? Let's look at this.

Titus 3:9 KJV
(9)  But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.

Sure, we are to avoid FOOLISH questions, and GENEALOGIES (no longer relevant), and CONTENTIONS, and STRIVINGS about the law. Why? Because they are unprofitable and vain.

However, the question I asked was not foolish but sensible. It can set your theology straight, if you will but accept what the Bible teaches.

Do you accept that Genesis 17:7 is talking about all Abram's descendents? I know a lot of people accept that as true.

But the NT gives us a completely different understanding of it, this eternal covenant which God has made with ".........". Can you fill in the gap?

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News Item1/13/19 11:51 AM
'ism addict  Find all comments by 'ism addict
On the topic of the future Antichrist ...

The Rapture of the Saints
By Rev. DUNCAN McDOUGALL M.A.

https://archive.org/stream/raptureofthesaints/raptureofthesaints_djvu.txt

https://archive.org/details/raptureofthesaints

A few years ago most Bible Christians would be familiar with the above article and the points about futurism and particularly the chapter on 'The Brethren Movement'.

I had the opportunity to speak to several brethren from different Gospel Halls; only one was interested in the Doctrines of Grace and even then he was studying those doctrines filtered through the lens of John MacArthur’s Study Bible. It was interesting that he chose MacArthur because of his (MacArthur’s) own futurism.

Whilst there are very many excellent men in ‘the Brethren’ one cannot but help having a desire to look at their own ‘origins’ and consider that despite their evangelistic zeal, they are so wrong about futurism, that Satan uses good men in any ‘ism, including Brethrenism, even if they are only wrong in one major area.

Read the article and review the beginnings of brethrenism, 'Brethrenism was to weaken the resistance to Rome by ...'

See if you agree with the conclusion.

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News Item1/13/19 9:29 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
James Thomas wrote:
...
I'll leave it there with you and US, Thanks again for the kind exchanges, even if we do not agree on this.
Thanks James, yes it is mighty fine.
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News Item1/13/19 8:34 AM
James Thomas | FLA  Find all comments by James Thomas
John UK wrote:
Isaiah 49:4 KJV
(4)  Then I said, I have laboured in vain, I have spent my strength for nought, and in vain: yet surely my judgment is with the LORD, and my work with my God.
James, it doesn't say "works of the law". It is merely saying that the labour was without a good result. This can apply to anyone and everyone, even God.
Sure,
Thankfully we have the context of the verse to work from so we can isolate the subjects in the context right?

I have laboured in vain. Notice "my strength" in the verse.

versus

My work is "WITH" my God. Different strength.

Apart from God labour is vain, is it not?
Where did Paul say his strength was? Not in himself.

I'll leave it there with you and US, Thanks again for the kind exchanges, even if we do not agree on this.

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News Item1/13/19 7:59 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
James Thomas wrote:
The speaker says I have laboured in vain. Past labour was for nought. But the labour to come would not be. Works of the law is vain so....
Isaiah 49:4 KJV
(4)  Then I said, I have laboured in vain, I have spent my strength for nought, and in vain: yet surely my judgment is with the LORD, and my work with my God.

James, it doesn't say "works of the law". It is merely saying that the labour was without a good result. This can apply to anyone and everyone, even God.

Romans 10:21 KJV
(21)  But to Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people.

John 1:10-11 KJV
(10)  He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
(11)  He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

And others like Jeremiah 44:4-6, when the people would not hearken to God's exhortations to them to repent.

We even experience it sometimes on these very threads, where a lot of good spiritual counsel goes to waste. It seems as though it is in vain.

Anyway, I believe you to be wrong to think that Isaiah 49:6 is a prophecy concerning Paul and the means of righteousness not being by law.

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News Item1/13/19 7:30 AM
James Thomas | FLA  Find all comments by James Thomas
John UK wrote:
James, where did you get the idea that the speaker was trying to gain righteousness by works? It doesn't say that in the verse.
The speaker says I have laboured in vain. Past labour was for nought. But the labour to come would not be. Works of the law is vain so....

US,
Hmmm, I see what your saying but I don't think it relates to him being a first sinner but a former sinner that would be one to lead out others like himself. Let me place some insertions as to help bring out what I read in the text.

Howbeit for this cause{stated in 1 Tim:15 saving sinners} I obtained{already a possessor of} mercy, that in me first {Firstborn} Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern {an example to follow} to them which should hereafter believe on him{1 John 3:23} to life everlasting.

To lead those out from the {Old covenant}. From those who taught the works of the law and traditions from the fathers aka those that walked disorderly, Taught error, sin and into the New covenant{Christ crucified}

2 Thess 3:7 For yourselves know how ye ought to follow us:

2 Thess 3:9 Not because we have not power{Christ crucified}, but to make ourselves an ensample unto you to follow us.

Thanks again for the kind exchanges.

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News Item1/13/19 5:44 AM
Unprofitable Servant | TN  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
James Thomas wrote:
In me first! The first what?
Pattern for what?
Thanks for your input

The word first is the same exact word Paul used in the previous sentence, translated chief. So Paul is continuing his thought not building a new one.

No super mysterious meaning here. This is not a numerical order usage, obviously there were already over 8,000 people saved by the time Paul wrote this.

As chief of sinners, he is at the top of the list (kinda like the #1 guy on the FBI’s most wanted), thus the pattern is set for any who believe here after. Which is that Christ Jesus, who came into the world to save sinners, in mercy and long-suffering will save other sinners (hallelujah)since He has already saved, in Paul’s estimation, sinner numero uno (a little Spanish lingo there). He is talking about the power of the glorious gospel (v. 11)l to save even the worst of sinners and thus any others further down the list, so to speak.

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News Item1/13/19 3:39 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
James Thomas wrote:
If you read Isa. 49 and insert Christ for thee some questions of difficulty come to mind.
Isaiah 49:4 Is 49:4 Then I said, I have laboured in vain, I have spent my strength for nought, and in vain: yet surely my judgment is with the LORD, and my work with my God.
In the above, the speaker recognized self labour for righteousnes is vain.
James, where did you get the idea that the speaker was trying to gain righteousness by works? It doesn't say that in the verse.

As I see it, by far the best thing we can do is to go through Isaiah 49 the first seven verses, and look at it verse by verse, in great detail, and thusly ascertain to whom it refers, whether it be to Paul, Christ, or indeed someone else.

You obviously have a reason why it is important for you to believe it is Paul, although no-one yet understands why that should be. But notwithstanding, I hope you will be willing to study with me the scripture, sharing and caring, especially as we both believe the answer is always found in the scriptures.

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News Item1/12/19 7:22 PM
James Thomas | FLA  Find all comments by James Thomas
Unprofitable Servant wrote:
is there something else we are supposed to garner from this?
Test it out to your hearts content and see for yourself Bro.

I'm not asking you to take my word for it and I will beg out of the friendly convo with this.

The 10 tribes of the northern kingdom were called Gentiles because they were not a people of God until Paul’s day. Paul wrote concerning the Gentiles to which he was appointed an apostle:

Rom 9:25-26 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people.

What else can we garner?

Acts 13:47 that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth.

1 Tim 1:16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that **in me first** Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.

In me first! The first what?
Pattern for what?

Isa 62:2 And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the LORD shall name.

Isa 62:3 Thou shalt also be a crown of glory

2 Tim. 4:8 Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness... and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.

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News Item1/12/19 7:09 PM
Paul set it right  Find all comments by Paul set it right
Great verses! Note who the covenant is made with, the house of Israel and the house of Judah Looks like they weren’t left out after all
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News Item1/12/19 6:30 PM
James Thomas | FLA  Find all comments by James Thomas
Paul to set it right wrote:
No, you stopped too soon on verse 15
What shall the receiving of them be
Maybe this will be a help.

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

***Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers***

in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them.

Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

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News Item1/12/19 6:18 PM
Bolek | Europe  Find all comments by Bolek
Russian orthodox "church" is a just another extension of the russian government. Its leaders used to work directly or are controlled and sponsored by the russian FSB. It's nothing more and nothing less but comrade putin's "church". Presenting this organisation as having any authority on Christian or biblical matters is a serious manipulation.
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News Item1/12/19 5:57 PM
Unprofitable Servant | TN  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
So other than saying that in your thinking that the reference applies to Paul is proper interpretation is there something else we are supposed to garner from this?
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News Item1/12/19 5:52 PM
Paul to set it right  Find all comments by Paul to set it right
No, you stopped too soon on verse 15

What shall the receiving of them be

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News Item1/12/19 5:34 PM
James Thomas | FLA  Find all comments by James Thomas
Unprofitable Servant wrote:
Sorry I am a tad dense. What are CF’s and I still don’t understand why it is significant to you that Paul be seen as the antecedent of the pronoun thee
HA! I'm sorry about that. The CF's is short for "cross references". I ran out of space and had to make cuts somewhere Bro. BTW, I appreciate the open dialogue.

If you read Isa. 49 and insert Christ for thee some questions of difficulty come to mind.

Isaiah 49:4 Is 49:4 Then I said, I have laboured in vain, I have spent my strength for nought, and in vain: yet surely my judgment is with the LORD, and my work with my God.

In the above, the speaker recognized self labour for righteousnes is vain.

I can see Paul doing just that here. He counted all his works loss in Phil 3:5.

I can't see that as being applicable for Christ. His work is our righteousness. The just shall live by faith.

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News Item1/12/19 4:59 PM
Unprofitable Servant | TN  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
Sorry I am a tad dense. What are CF’s and I still don’t understand why it is significant to you that Paul be seen as the antecedent of the pronoun thee
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News Item1/12/19 4:46 PM
James Thomas | FLA  Find all comments by James Thomas
Unprofitable Servant wrote:
significance?
Isaiah 49:1 Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name.

Gal 1:15 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace.

Is 49:4 Then I said, I have laboured in vain, I have spent my strength for nought, and in vain: yet surely my judgment is with the LORD, and my work with my God.

Phl 3:5-7 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee; Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless. But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.

Is 49:6 And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.

Acts 13:47 For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth.

Why? CF's have purpose.

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News Item1/12/19 4:04 PM
sojourner | wilderness  Find all comments by sojourner
Isaiah 2:22
Cease ye from man, whose breath is in his nostrils: for wherein is he to be accounted of?
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News Item1/12/19 3:54 PM
James Thomas | FLA  Find all comments by James Thomas
Paul to set it straight wrote:
I want to correct a misinterpretation of the passage in Zechariah suggesting God permanently cast off the nation of Israel.
I say then hath God cast away His people? God Forbid For I am also an Israelite of the seed of Abraham...
Stopped too soon in Paul, He speaks more on it here.

Rom 11:11...Through their fall

and here.

Rom: 11:15 ...For if the casting away.

The first covenant, given in two parts (Beauty and Bands aka Decalogue/Levitical Law and Deut 29-30, see also Gal 4:24), was given with conditions which Israel didn't keep. They broke His covenant (Jer 31:32) therefore He broke the same covenant:

And I took unto me two staves; the one I called Beauty, and the other I called Bands; and I fed the flock. And I took my staff, even Beauty, and cut it asunder, that I might break my covenant which I had made with all the people. Then I cut asunder mine other staff, even Bands, that I might break the brotherhood between Judah and Israel. (Zech 11:7-14)

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News Item1/12/19 3:01 PM
sojourner | wilderness  Find all comments by sojourner
1/12/19 2:38 PM
Dr. Tim | Land of Cotton
I want to do something worth doing—which pretty much eliminates posting comments on SA (Schismatics Anonymous).

1/10/19 2:36 PM
John UK | Wales

I have always said, if anyone wants to learn something, there is over a million sermons here on SA from a variety of sources, some of them even going back centuries. Go there if you want to learn, not the forums where there is nothing but debate and people hurling insults.

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