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FRONT PAGE  |  1/23/2019
Choice News SATURDAY, NOV 17, 2018  |  15 comments
Camp Fire missing persons list now tops 1000, with 71 dead and more bodies being found
Donald Trump will visit California Saturday for the second time in his presidential tenure to meet first responders and bear witness to the deadliest wildfire in state history — a blaze that has claimed 71 lives, with more victims likely.

Eight more deceased were found Friday on hillsides scorched by the 10-day old Camp Fire, which still burns above Lake Oroville. Seven were found in Paradise and one in Magalia, officials said. All were found inside burned buildings.

More than 1,000 people remain listed as missing.

Should Trump’s visit take him into Paradise, he will have a ghastly view of miles of smoldering ruins, where 27,000 people once lived, but where no more than 20 percent of the town’s residences still stand, according to town mayor Jody Jones. ...


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News Item12/6/18 1:25 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Now if this article had to protect property from hurricanes it would have the two types of big disasters to hit this country. But anyway, it does cover protection from fires, a very interesting article

https://tinyurl.com/yber42ej (How they survived: Owners of the few homes left standing around Paradise, Calif., took critical steps to ward off wildfires)

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News Item11/26/18 8:19 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
https://tinyurl.com/y8xormmk (Catastrophic Northern California fire is finally contained)
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News Item11/23/18 9:52 PM
John chiarenza  Find all comments by John chiarenza
C'mon those people are dead from a wild fire that incinerated porcelain?????
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News Item11/19/18 5:23 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
LA Times wrote:
Multiple fires are raging throughout California, forcing evacuations and leaving a destructive path.
excerpt from, "California fires live updates: With nearly 1,000 missing in Paradise and at least 77 dead, frantic search continues"🔥

[ https://tinyurl.com/ya6vauv5 ]

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News Item11/19/18 12:57 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Christie Aschwanden, Anna Maria Barry-Jester, Maggie Koerth-Baker and Ella Koeze wrote:
...as development encroaches, fires can no longer be allowed to burn naturally without the town being at risk of burning. As natural fires are suppressed, there’s a buildup of fuel, coupled with an increased chance that a fire will be ignited by human activities.

A study published this year estimated that approximately 1 in 3 houses in the U.S. is now located in the WUI [Wildland-Urban Interface] , and the problem is especially severe in California....

excerpt from, "Why California’s Wildfires Are So Destructive, In 5 Charts"

[ https://tinyurl.com/yceo2uva ]

Stop building towns in forests

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News Item11/19/18 1:39 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
BBC wrote:
Finns have been baffled by US President Donald Trump's comments praising the country for managing its vast forests by raking.

Citing a conversation with his Finnish counterpart, Mr Trump said they spend "a lot of time on raking and cleaning".

But President Sauli Niinisto told a Finnish daily he could not remember talking about raking when the two met.

Firefighters in California are currently battling the deadliest blaze in the state's history.

Surveying the damage on Saturday, Mr Trump revisited his claim that poor forest management was to blame....

excerpts from, "California wildfires: Finland bemused by Trump raking comment"

[ https://tinyurl.com/yckdxujt ]

Trump is an endless source of amusement--for foreign countries.

All too true, Chris

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News Item11/18/18 7:07 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Upwards of 1300 people missing as of right now. What a horrible, horrible tragedy, and an even more horrible manner to die...being surrounded by flames, and trapped, with nowhere to run as the flames engulf you. Or, suffocating to death from the smoke of those flames. Those poor, poor people and children, along with their surviving loved ones who are in deep mourning, or who have loved ones amongst the missing; not knowing if they made it out or not. Terrible, terrible time...
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News Item11/17/18 5:14 PM
The Quiet Christian  Find all comments by The Quiet Christian
I've seen several of those controlled burns become uncontrolled ones. Burning brush is an inexact science.

The issue isn't really so.much that there is evidence of climate change, but the cause of that change. If you accept a uniformitarianism view, you might we'll look at human activity as the only variable. But if you accept young Earth, catastrophic view of the current environment, there are other variables besides people to consider. For instance, the sun is both expanding and increasing in temperature. Go back 4.5B years, and the sun would be so weak the earth would have been frozen.

Honestly, I believe the environmentalists are trying to recreate a Garden of Eden on their own as if they are their own gods, not realizing that it simply cannot work post-Fall. The Fix is coming when the heavens and earth are made new, but they want no part of that or Jesus Christ who will bring it. It's like secular humanists trying to build world peace wnd getting whirled peas, lacking Ephesians 2 which breaks down the middle wall of separation.

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News Item11/17/18 3:36 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
California needs to remove all the brush and trees and paint the ground green

Ethan Sacks wrote:
Preaching an environmental message to evangelicals is a bit like, as the New Testament says, casting seeds on rocky ground.

And few people know that better than atmospheric scientist Katharine Hayhoe, who recently ran into a pair of climate change skeptics while speaking at the Presbyterian Church in Granada Hills, California.

"These were two men who were leaning back and looking stern, with their arms folded across their chest and shaking their heads while I was speaking," said Hayhoe, who is both the director of the Climate Change Center at Texas Tech University and a pastor’s wife.

"So I finally said, 'The real reason most people reject the science of climate change has nothing to do with the science and everything to do with the solutions ... they're afraid of having the government regulating their thermostat,'" she recounted.

"One of the two guys said, 'Yes, that's exactly it!'" [ ]

excerpt from, "The gospel of climate change: Green pastors bringing environmentalism to evangelicals"

[ https://tinyurl.com/ycp273ku ]

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News Item11/17/18 12:46 PM
Just a Guy | Mississippi  Find all comments by Just a Guy
They don't have many controlled burns where I live...

But I have seen them many times on 49. The smoke is so thick sometimes, you pretty much can't drive.

I can't imagine a wild fire doing it to an entire county...

It seems like this Wildfire is just like Communism. The countries would have tons of problems, but the real culprits would blame it on the rest of the world. The liberals will continue to fine and harass people over their "abused forest". And never take the blame for what they are doing.

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News Item11/17/18 11:52 AM
Plain Old Tim | Possum Hollow, USA  Find all comments by Plain Old Tim
JAG, I don’t know how it is where you live, but down here in the DeSoto National Forest (named for an abandoned 1957 DeSoto found there by the Forestry Service), we sometimes have to shut ourselves in for a day or so due to all the smoke from CONTROLLED burns. And despite the fact that I am very sensitive to smoke and easily get bronchitis, I don’t mind a bit because I know the purpose of the controlled burns is to prevent UNCONTROLLED burns like they have constantly on the Left Coast. While it is tragic that so many have lost their lives and property, they didn’t lose them to the fire as much as they did to stupid liberal policies—which is, I realize, a redundant phrase, as all liberal policies are stupid.
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News Item11/17/18 11:21 AM
Just a Guy | Mississippi  Find all comments by Just a Guy
Dr Tim says...
Or liberals refusing to allow wise forestry management?"

Its the bad forest management...

They refuse to let people cut the trees, for the sake of the Spotted Owl. Now the trees are so thick, the little owl can't even fly through the forest (so the owls leave, which make the liberals think it's going extinct). And the thick forest make an excellent petri dish for a fire.

Yep...

The liberals plans have been back firing for years...

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News Item11/17/18 7:50 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
221 square miles, and only 40% contained...that's epic. The aerial views are hard to even grasp, and one of the dessimated towns, Paradise, every single house is a flat square of grey ash. No standing walls, beams, or furniture, etc., to be seen. Never seen anything like it, and a wind driven fire burning at three football fields per minute, wow. Then at the same time, the Malibu canyon fire doing it's own part in loss of life, homes, and forestry. I'm not sure what this has to do with climate change. There are many hot states, and countrys around the world, and they're not inundated with devastating fires. A camp fire, sparking utility wires, Santa Ana winds, 1M+ dead trees that are illegal to remove, and a typically dry time of the year as the humidity wanes...how do these things qualify as climate change?

I feel terrible for those in the tent citys on the Wal-Mart property who have lost everything and have nowhere to go. They're in total limbo, and FEMA, I guess, can't step in. I do wonder where the Red Cross is though with the billions that pour into that organization. I remember when the twin towers went down, and donations poured in...upwards of $1B just mysteriously vanished, and not a word since.

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News Item11/17/18 5:35 AM
Plain Old Tim | Possum Hollow, USA  Find all comments by Plain Old Tim
Climate change? Or liberals refusing to allow wise forestry management?
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News Item11/17/18 1:51 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Antonia Blumberg and Lydia O’Connor wrote:
Skies so hazy that the Golden Gate Bridge looks like a shadow of itself. A fire so devastating that hundreds of people remain unaccounted for. Air so polluted that people without safety masks are trapped inside. A quarantine set up by the National Guard to limit the spread of a dangerous virus.

This is not the climactic scene of an apocalyptic horror movie, set far in the future. This is California in 2018.

The flames and smoke from the Camp fire ripping through Northern California ― a record-breaking catastrophe that has claimed at least 63 lives with more than 600 people still missing ― is the public health crisis that climate change researchers have been warning about....

excerpt from, "California Wildfires Are A Bigger Public Health Nightmare Than Anyone Imagined"

[ https://tinyurl.com/y75tnkrc ]

A very interesting article from Huffington Post. It really points out the dangers from smoke from forest fires. So definitely read the whole article, but being from Huffington Post stop when you get to the end of the article itself!

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