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FRONT PAGE  |  5/19/2019
WEDNESDAY, NOV 14, 2018  |  64 comments
Charleston church apologizes for its part in slavery
Charleston church is making efforts to apologize for their role in slavery. This comes just months after mayor John Tecklenburg apologized on behalf of the city for Charleston’s leading role in slavery in South Carolina.

On Sunday, the First Baptist Church of Charleston dedicated a plaque in memory of the enslaved members of their church two centuries ago.

“We are putting a plaque up in honor of the slave members to say they are important to us, they should have been treated different, but the goal is to honor them now,” Pastor Marshall Blalock said. “They weren’t treated with respect years ago, we are honoring them now to show respect.”

During that time, slaves were only allowed to sit in the balcony of the church and go in the building through a side door apart from the other members. ...


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News Item11/18/18 10:31 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Christopher000 wrote:
Hi John, sure, as soon as I get a chance. Just so I'm clear though, are you asking me for an hypothetical that, say, and Athiest might come at me about concerning the topic of slavery, in an attempt to make a case for God being anything but loving and just, etc.?
That's the sort of thing Christopher bro. But I realised it would hardly work here on the thread as it needs to be very spontaneous and immediate, not 15 minutes between each spoken word.

Just as an example, I don't have a pat answer for anyone enquiring about slavery, but I would sure tell them that I was once a slave, in my youth, until someone bought me out and set me free. And when they would ask about that, I can tell them about Jesus who sets the captive free, free from the bondage to sin and Satan, free to love and serve the living God.

That's the sort of crack I had in mind. And I've done that loads of times on the street over the years, from all sorts of questions, especially when I was a young Christian and was very limited in knowledge.

I consider it important because the sinner does not know what is important for him to know. He asks the wrong questions, and always will.

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News Item11/18/18 9:12 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Hi John, sure, as soon as I get a chance. Just so I'm clear though, are you asking me for an hypothetical that, say, and Athiest might come at me about concerning the topic of slavery, in an attempt to make a case for God being anything but loving and just, etc.?
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News Item11/18/18 8:18 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Plain Old Tim wrote:
Christopher and John, you both make good points, but bear in mind that when Philip encountered the Ethiopian eunuch, he avoided side issues and went straight to the heart of the matter. “Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.” On several occasions I have demonstrated in Bible classes that a Christian should be able to start at any point in the Bible and preach the plan of salvation. The sword of the Spirit is the word of God, and the heart-piercing tip of the sword is the gospel, which is the power of God unto salvation.
Yes, that is it, Tim. The Holy Spirit will always seek to bring from a Christian's mouth the glorious gospel, no matter what the subject of the convo is. At least this has been my experience. So believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved.
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News Item11/18/18 8:08 AM
Plain Old Tim | Possum Hollow, USA  Find all comments by Plain Old Tim
Christopher and John, you both make good points, but bear in mind that when Philip encountered the Ethiopian eunuch, he avoided side issues and went straight to the heart of the matter. “Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.” On several occasions I have demonstrated in Bible classes that a Christian should be able to start at any point in the Bible and preach the plan of salvation. The sword of the Spirit is the word of God, and the heart-piercing tip of the sword is the gospel, which is the power of God unto salvation.
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News Item11/18/18 7:41 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Christopher000 wrote:
Studying to show ourselves approved applies here, because it's a topic that we need to have a good handle on, understand, and be able to clearly explain when it comes up, because it does come up. Answers like, "Well, you gotta have faith", "Everything God does is right and just", "They must have deserved it and were being punished", "Because God is sovereign", "God can do whatever He pleases...Don't question God", "His thoughts and ways are beyond our understanding", etc., etc., don't fly as answers to the lost, and the only thing another will walk away with is the satisfaction of our ignorance.
Christopher, can you ask me the sort of hypothetical question you are referencing? If I do not know the answer, I will not woffle but admit it. But be sure I will find a way to use the contents of the question to get back to the more important thing of sin, sin's consequence, and Christ's remedy for sin, and the free gift of God which is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Test it out, bro.

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News Item11/18/18 6:57 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
I meant to add this to my last post, but the time to edit expired:

2 Timothy 2:15
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Slavery is one of many topics that Athiests, and the like, will reference, to dispute God's character, and use to turn Him into a murderous, no good, ogre, and in their attempt to pull others away, or to keep them from venturing any closer.

Studying to show ourselves approved applies here, because it's a topic that we need to have a good handle on, understand, and be able to clearly explain when it comes up, because it does come up. Answers like, "Well, you gotta have faith", "Everything God does is right and just", "They must have deserved it and were being punished", "Because God is sovereign", "God can do whatever He pleases...Don't question God", "His thoughts and ways are beyond our understanding", etc., etc., don't fly as answers to the lost, and the only thing another will walk away with is the satisfaction of our ignorance.

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News Item11/18/18 6:24 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
https://tinyurl.com/y9t73u85

How and Why Did Some Christians Defend Slavery?
FEBRUARY 24, 2017 | Aaron Menikoff
[Gospel Coalition Atricle]

For anyone interested, the above examines and disputes Richard Fullers case for slavery, and the bad scriptural hermanutic he used to arrive at his conclusions, along with his fatal flaw. This is a good read for a better perspective when this topic comes up.

Slavery and stewardship, etc., in biblical days, was far and away a different scene than what went on here in the Americas, and abroad.

I'd be interested in hearing any follow-up thoughts, pro or con...

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News Item11/18/18 1:00 AM
BWS  Find all comments by BWS
Yet in the Holy scriptures, which are inspired, the Apostle Paul in at least three different letters says something similar:
"Slaves, obey in all things your Masters according to the flesh...etc."
"Masters, give unto your servants that which is Just and equal...etc."

The Bible does not regulate sin. The master-servant relationship is mentioned in the same context as other family relations each time. The Bible clearly teaches that the relationship can be managed in a just and equal manner And that slaves are to obey, respect, and honor their masters especially if they are Christians.

Those who call for disrespecting slave masters and this relation according to the scriptures are disobeying the plain teaching of the Apostle Paul. the southern Baptists in Charleston (Richard Furman, et al) taught the relation according to scripture despite the abolitionists who departed from scripture who were teaching Insurrection and revolution.

The PC churches have departed from scripture in this matter as well as others and have increasingly accepted Democratic Socialist principles contrary to scripture in regard to all relations. Feminism and youth Revolution gradually followed after the abolition of slavery consistent with the other relations in the same passages. There is

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News Item11/16/18 6:26 AM
Plain Old Tim | Possum Hollow, USA  Find all comments by Plain Old Tim
Tread lightly there, Carl. You can’t have seven and a half billion people demanding reparations. And who knows, serpents may try to get in on the bonanza also.
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News Item11/16/18 4:50 AM
Carl haydock | England  Contact via emailFind all comments by Carl haydock
Can I take this opportunity to apologize for what my ancestors Adam and Eve did.
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News Item11/15/18 7:57 PM
Plain Old Tim | Possum Hollow, USA  Find all comments by Plain Old Tim
They’re getting scarce, JAG. I used to know quite a few of them. Now I don’t know any that I can think of.
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News Item11/15/18 7:41 PM
Just a Guy | Mississippi  Find all comments by Just a Guy
That so great Dr Tim...

My great grandfather fought in Italy. But he died before I was born.

The only WWII vets I have meet were at a retirement community. We led the music for the church service there for a bit.

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News Item11/15/18 6:25 PM
Plain Old Tim | Possum Hollow, USA  Find all comments by Plain Old Tim
JAG, back to your post of eight hours ago (sorry, I’ve been out all day), my stepdad served in Patton’s Third Army and was surrounded by the Germans in the Battle of the Bulge. A career soldier, he was also a combat infantryman in the Korean War (which was not a just a “conflict”). He received the Bronze Star for heroic actions in both wars, but like most men of “the Greatest Generation” he didn’t go around bragging about his wartime service, and I never saw his citations, so I’m not sure what he did to earn the medals. For the first ten or twelve years of my Navy career, I had the privilege of serving with quite a few old WWII veterans, and God graciously used me in leading three WWII vets to the Lord, including one who just passed away last year.
On a lighter note, I knew one man who served in France after D-Day. One time he got drunk on French wine, hopped on a motorcycle to show off in front of his buddies, wrecked the bike and got cut up in the accident. For this “actio0 he was awarded the Purple Heart. But hey, at least he was in France with the Army, and not hanging around a college campus criticizing America and burning the flag.
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News Item11/15/18 6:07 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
The Quiet Christian wrote:
Good list, Neil. I was simply thinking of the RC hyped rabble heading thru to the "Holy Lands." Some were utterly repelled and dispersed by the Hungarians who were simply defending their homes, families, livelihood, and lands.
OK, thanks; that was Peter the Hermit's 1st Crusade. The story leaves one appalled at how masses of people can be deceived by unthinking fanaticism. And whole motive of Middle East crusades such as his was access to Jerusalem's "holy" sites for indulgences. People need to remember from this that bad doctrine can have murderous consequences.

And there was more "Friendly Fire": the 4th Crusaders stupidly sacked Constantinople, which alienated the Eastern church from the West and contributed to the later Byzantine defeat by the Turks.

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News Item11/15/18 5:06 PM
The Quiet Christian  Find all comments by The Quiet Christian
Good list, Neil. I was simply thinking of the RC hyped rabble heading thru to the "Holy Lands." Some were utterly repelled and dispersed by the Hungarians who were simply defending their homes, families, livelihood, and lands. But there are probably too many atrocities to list. Do all these also require an apology?
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News Item11/15/18 4:18 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
The Quiet Christian wrote:
I'm sure there are many inhabitants of Eastern Europe who still harbor ill feelings for the Crusades as well.
You're probably thinking of the Northern Crusades. Russia was invaded by Teutonic Knights in the 13th century, who were defeated in the Battle on the Ice. Alexander Nevsky is a Russian national hero for that.

New World natives were victims of Catholic crusading too, as Spain claimed religious justification for forced conversions as in the Requirement of 1513. The Black Legend is not just a legend.

And in the West, don't forget papal crusades against Waldensians and Albigensians (AKA Cathars). The latter may have been theologically bizarre, if accounts are to be believed, but didn't deserve massacre.

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News Item11/15/18 3:50 PM
The Quiet Christian  Find all comments by The Quiet Christian
Free is more to my taste, JAG. http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/search/?query=ballantyne

I'm sure there are many inhabitants of Eastern Europe who still harbor ill feelings for the Crusades as well, Hal.

If all the evil men have committed just against one another were piled up, it would be a literal Tower of Babel. But the Lord in His goodness & mercy has sustained us despite our sin toward Him and each other.

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News Item11/15/18 3:33 PM
Hal C. Ondays | Isles of Langerhans  Find all comments by Hal C. Ondays
Maybe it would be good for Christians to apologize to all Jews for the Holocaust.
The Holocaust is what is keeping many Jews from believing in God--they say, since He abandoned us then, we cannot believe in Him. And we definitely want nothing to do with the God that those German Lutherans were singing about in their hymnals.
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News Item11/15/18 3:18 PM
Just a Guy | Mississippi  Find all comments by Just a Guy
If you look on Google Play Books, they have the full Ballantyine collection (over 100 books) for 2 dollars. They also have 72 of Hentys book for 99 cents. I have read through most of them and they are put together very well. And are word for word to the originals.

Of course the are e-books, so I guess it depends on if you like that sort of thing...

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News Item11/15/18 2:32 PM
The Quiet Christian  Find all comments by The Quiet Christian
Absolutely, JAG. A part of our eclectic curriculum recommends reading to our children for the purpose of creating better language skills and an expanded vocabulary. Ballantyine...got it. Will check. We read mostly for free off gutenburg.org. There are a very large number of Henty works available tgere, although decptive as there are duplicates in the list.
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