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FRONT PAGE  |  11/20/2019
FRIDAY, NOV 2, 2018  |  31 comments
'Holiness:' Jewish Doctors, Nurses Treated Robert Bowers, Who Shouted 'I Want to Kill All Jews'

The Jewish doctors and nurses who treated Robert Bowers, the suspect who killed 11 people people in a synagogue in Pittsburgh, have been hailed for the "holiness" they displayed.

Bowers, who killed 11 people on Saturday at the Tree of Life synagogue, and was injured himself in the gunfight with police, was rushed to the local Allegheny General Hospital.

The suspect was apparently shouting "I want to kill all the Jews" in the emergency room, where he was treated by a number of doctors and nurses — at least three of whom are Jewish themselves.

What is more, hospital president President Jeffrey K. Cohen is a member of Tree of Life. ...


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News Item11/28/18 12:50 PM
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Unprofitable Servant wrote:
Both the passage in Jeremiah and Ezekiel use the words "house of Israel". I am not denying we are part of the New Covenant but am saying the apparent teaching here is that God will once again deal with the nation of Israel on a national basis as part of the New Covenant.
Good morning brother,

Your comment caught my eye so for the sake of clarity I thought I'd comment even though you probably already know what I'm saying.

The "house of Israel" is a reference to the ten tribes of the northern kingdom while the "house of Judah" references the two tribes of the southern kingdom; Benjamin and Judah. As you know all twelve tribes were one nation until shortly after King Solomon's death. So most of the OT mentions of "Israel" speak of the northern kingdom if those mentions are after Solomon's death and stand in contrast to "Judah"; the southern kingdom.

An example of one kingdom yet two distinct nations during David's reign:

2 Sam 3:10 To translate the kingdom from the house of Saul, and to set up the throne of David over Israel and over Judah...

This is helpful in interpreting prophetic texts such as the black and white horsemen going into the north country (Israel) to quiet the spirit of the red horseman.

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News Item11/28/18 9:40 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Unprofitable Servant wrote:
John, without wishing to get into a discussion of eschatology, I am still premillennial. Therefore I see the church as taken out before this happens. Both the passage in Jeremiah and Ezekiel use the words "house of Israel". I am not denying we are part of the New Covenant but am saying the apparent teaching here is that God will once again deal with the nation of Israel on a national basis as part of the New Covenant. I don't believe that the terms or means of salvation will change. Jewish people are currently for the most part anti-Christian and ungodly and I don't expect that to change in my lifetime.
Thank you bro, for at least sharing that much with me.

I am genuinely trying to understand what folks who talk about Romans 11 actually believe will happen. And now you have said two things that puzzle me even more. Namely, that you say God will deal with Israel as a nation once again, after a rapture of the church, in a millenial period, yet the terms and means of salvation will remain the same, which means the great commission remains, a call to repentance and faith in Christ remains, this commission to every creature, not merely Jews.

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News Item11/28/18 7:40 AM
Unprofitable Servant | TN  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
John UK wrote:
Okay bro, you see this covenant in Romans 11:27 as a sort of extension of the new covenant, but it will only be for Jews not Gentiles, and the covenant will be in place just as soon as the Lord returns to reign from Jerusalem, and the covenant will last for one thousand years. Is that the gist of how you interpret it?
And what will be the terms of salvation, the terms of the new, new covenant for Jews only?
Romans 11:27 KJV
(27)  For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
John, without wishing to get into a discussion of eschatology, I am still premillennial. Therefore I see the church as taken out before this happens. Both the passage in Jeremiah and Ezekiel use the words "house of Israel". I am not denying we are part of the New Covenant but am saying the apparent teaching here is that God will once again deal with the nation of Israel on a national basis as part of the New Covenant. I don't believe that the terms or means of salvation will change. Jewish people are currently for the most part anti-Christian and ungodly and I don't expect that to change in my lifetime.
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News Item11/27/18 6:00 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Unprofitable Servant wrote:
I don't believe in the CoG. This does not annul but is part of the fulfillment of the new covenant. (see Romans 11:27;
Okay bro, you see this covenant in Romans 11:27 as a sort of extension of the new covenant, but it will only be for Jews not Gentiles, and the covenant will be in place just as soon as the Lord returns to reign from Jerusalem, and the covenant will last for one thousand years. Is that the gist of how you interpret it?

And what will be the terms of salvation, the terms of the new, new covenant for Jews only?

Romans 11:27 KJV
(27)  For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

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News Item11/27/18 5:36 AM
Unprofitable Servant | TN  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
John UK wrote:
Bro US,
Thank you for your lengthy answer. I realise that my post had a lot of questions in it, which might be difficult to answer in such a space, but the main question really is the very last one. If you could see fit to answer this one, I would be content, even if I disagree with you. Thank you bro.
I don't believe in the CoG. This does not annul but is part of the fulfillment of the new covenant. (see Romans 11:27;
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News Item11/27/18 4:14 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Unprofitable Servant wrote:
Two things John UK

1., the new covenant is found in Romans 11

2. I challenge you or penned to find a dispensational site that says that the current crop of Jews are a saved godly bunch. Because they are acting like unregenerate men who have no knowledge of the truth. That confirms not negates Romans 11

Penny cannot produce a dispensational site that advocates for military build up, supports the ADL, supports transgender education or are bigots. The bigotry is on her part and her websites that she uses. The kingdom of His dear Son is built by sharing the gospel and acknowledging that He said, "I will build my church", not us. We can sow and water. only God can give the increase.

Penny's eschatological position doesn't bother me, but her constant false, unproven accusations against the brethren are very disheartening

Bro US,
Thank you for your lengthy answer. I realise that my post had a lot of questions in it, which might be difficult to answer in such a space, but the main question really is the very last one. If you could see fit to answer this one, I would be content, even if I disagree with you. Thank you bro.
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News Item11/26/18 2:51 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
As I see it,

Hebrews 8:13 KJV
(13)  In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

The writer is thinking of an old covenant and a new covenant.

Hebrews 8:7 KJV
(7)  For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

Both covenants concerned a broken law and a blood sacrifice for sin. The first covenant was faulty, only in that the blood sacrifices were a picture only; they could not take away sin, so they pictured the final sacrifice of Christ, which could and does take away sin and its condemnation.

Can there ever be anything greater than this new covenant? Does God find fault now with the new covenant, that he will introduce another dispensation or covenant? Is Christ insufficient? Is the gospel not the most glorious expression of God's justice and mercy? Can the gospel be bettered? Improved upon? What is this new, new covenant that some believe in? What are the terms? Are they better than the terms of the covenant of grace? I just cannot see how or why our Lord God would do such a thing as to end the second covenant, and bring in....what?

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News Item11/26/18 1:40 PM
penned  Find all comments by penned
John UK wrote:
Are there any dispensationalists who would care to answer Penny's post concerning demands being made on Bible publishers by current Jewish leaders, as I would like to understand this subject better.
only the beginning, brother.

I hope they find their way out of this to the covenant of grace plus nothing.

the huge, very powerful lobby here which I will not name moementarily had two fold goal.... first to do with ending bigotry and the second building the kingdom where Christ lived.

this powerful lobby organized antibullying campaigns that were run by sodomite that heckled Christian highschoolers (ie Christians with bibles are the bullies/bigots)

and organizing transgender education efforts in public schools to end bigotry

our dispensational friends think that they are building a kingdom for Christ through their billions in military resources, but seeing as the whole antibigotry thing comes with the package

instead of seeing

"Kingdom of Heaven"

I'm seeing

spiritual sodom

its a true problem for them.

their scofield bible was a set up from the start

by politicizing the kingdom, now they are being asked to acknowledge portions of NT as h@te speech.

they'll hide in their churches.

but it ain't g

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News Item11/26/18 1:06 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Are there any dispensationalists who would care to answer Penny's post concerning demands being made on Bible publishers by current Jewish leaders, as I would like to understand this subject better.

The TBS is a Bible publisher in London which will not be affected by these demands, and they will only at the present time publish the King James Bible, regarding it as the best English translation available today, which they will not alter for anybody, especially not Jewish leaders.

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News Item11/26/18 12:46 PM
penny  Find all comments by penny
dispensationalists are now being forced to choose..... (will they choose Christ or their false Kingdom?, will they cancel out the new covenant to give the appearance of being politically correct to the new world order they worship?)

Title: Jewish Leaders Demand Bible Publishers Print “Anti-Semitism” Disclaimers In New Testament

https://pulpitandpen.org/2018/11/24/jewish-leaders-demand-bible-publishers-print-anti-semitism-disclaimers-in-new-testament/

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News Item11/26/18 3:14 AM
Unprofitable Servant | TN  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
Hey that is a good admonition penny , read Romans 11. Let us look at that (forgive the sarcasm)

Verse 1 clearly indicates Paul is talking about physical not spiritual Israel, how could this be??? Didn’t the church replace physical Israel? Is the poor man is confused?

Then he said, under inspiration of the Spirit, that the physical remnant is a blinded people in verses 7-10 and whaddya know they act like unregenerate people who know not the truth, amazing that you can find examples of such, isn’t it?

Then, so as not to miss his point, he uses a bunch of contrasts of where they currently are as compared to where they in the future will be: he says they are currently diminished but shall become full (v12), they are current cast away but shall be reconciled and received (v15) they are currently cut off but shall be grafted back in (21-24)

And then says their blindness shall end when the fullness of the Gentiles is come in, gasp, you mean there is a period of time involved and the situation will change (see 26) and a national distinction unknown to the church (Col. 3:11; Gal. 3:28) will become a reality for Jacob (physical Israel)after the fullness of the Gentiles is come in(v26)?

Let God be true and every man a liar Romans 3:4

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News Item11/25/18 11:41 PM
Read  Find all comments by Read
penny wrote:
that's just one theory.
but absolutely essential to defend the dispensational hermeneutic.
for without it, the whole theory would go down.
and... our disp friends would have to reckon with the new testament dictates about the formation of the church and the covenant
and come to the singularity of the message of Christ, who sits on His throne even right now
for they would have us worrying endlessly about geneology and how does one not argue in the pit and not get muddy oneself?
for then do we not spend hours comparing ethnic qualities of this group and that group and where they came from. even obvious things such as semites are from the arabian area and have browner skin? that others who come from europe look white and then claim singular semitical identity without fitting the description?
and isn't the word semite a pretty fair word? does it not mean anyone of any religion from a large region of the earth?
and yet it is politiczed as is the gospel of Christ.
for they think the kingdom is built by their chariots and their petro dollar money
and they think that obses
Romans 11 and stop blaming others for your misinterpretation of the plain teaching found in the Bible!!!
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News Item11/6/18 11:19 AM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Good.
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News Item11/6/18 9:58 AM
penny  Find all comments by penny
Plain Old Tim wrote:
According to a Wikipedia article entitled “Genetic Studies on Jews,” Ashkenazi Jews descended from ancient Jews In the Middle East.
that's just one theory.

but absolutely essential to defend the dispensational hermeneutic.

for without it, the whole theory would go down.

and... our disp friends would have to reckon with the new testament dictates about the formation of the church and the covenant

and come to the singularity of the message of Christ, who sits on His throne even right now

for they would have us worrying endlessly about geneology and how does one not argue in the pit and not get muddy oneself?

for then do we not spend hours comparing ethnic qualities of this group and that group and where they came from. even obvious things such as semites are from the arabian area and have browner skin? that others who come from europe look white and then claim singular semitical identity without fitting the description?

and isn't the word semite a pretty fair word? does it not mean anyone of any religion from a large region of the earth?

and yet it is politiczed as is the gospel of Christ.

for they think the kingdom is built by their chariots and their petro dollar money

and they think that obses

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News Item11/6/18 6:14 AM
Plain Old Tim | Possum Hollow, USA  Find all comments by Plain Old Tim
According to a Wikipedia article entitled “Genetic Studies on Jews,” Ashkenazi Jews descended from ancient Jews In the Middle East.
While Mr. Trump is the man ordained by God to lead America for the time being—just as Jeroboam and Ahab were ordained to lead Israel—the president is hardly “the trump of God.” That is a literal trumpet that will signal the rapture of the church.
Don’t forget that voting for the Femocrats is voting for Satan and the destruction of America.
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News Item11/5/18 7:22 PM
TrueHolyBibleChristianCatholic  Find all comments by TrueHolyBibleChristianCatholic
THE TRUTH STANDS:

THE WORST & DEADLIEST ANTI-SEMITES &-OR "JEW"-HATERS/
KILLERS/MURDERERS WERE/ARE THEMSELVES "JEWS" &-OR "JEWISH" !

EXAMPLE:
#1-ADOLF HITLER-+SCHICKLGRUBER+ !
#2-JOHN WAYNE-+GACY+ !
#3-JEFFREY +DAHMER+ !
#4-ANTON +LAVEY+ !
#5-GEORGE +SOROS+ !

LOOK TRUE KING JAMES HOLY BIBLE ONLY
CHRISTIAN-CATHOLICS, PROTESTANTS, INDEPENDENTS & ETC.:

THE SHOOTING AT THAT PENNSYLVANIA SYNAGOGUE IS AN ATTEMPT BY LUCIFER/*DEMETRIUS*/ROTH$CHILD/$ORO$ & CO.
TO ATTACK, DISCREDIT & REMOVE +THE TRUMP OF GOD+ & HIS U.S.-AMERICA[N]/CHRISTIAN[ITY]-FIRST AGENDA !

ESPECIALLY PROTESTANT-CHRISTIAN BIBLICAL-LITERALIST FUNDAMENTALIST/EVANGELICAL INFLUENCE IN U.S. POLITICS &

BLAMING U.S.-ANTI-SEMITISM/"JEWISH"-HATING/MURDERING ON +THE TRUMP OF GOD'S PRESIDENCY+ !

&

HYJACK TOMORROW'S ELECTIONS !

THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS +++ASHKENAZI-"JEWS"+++ AREN'T EVEN +++SEMITES+++ LET ALONE TRUE-HOLY-BIBLE/BIBLICAL-HEBREWS, ISRAELITES, ISRAEL &-Or JEWS !

FOR +++ASHKENAZ+++ WAS-IS THE BIBLICAL/BLOOD/DNA-DESCENDANT OF +++JAPHETH+++ & NOT, I REPEAT NOT OF +++SHEM+++: AS S[H]EMITE-FATHER-ABRAHAM, ISAAC, JACOB &-Or +++ISRAEL+++ WAS & IS !

"I KNOW THE BLASPHEMY OF THEM WHICH SAY THEY ARE JEWS, AND ARE NOT, BUT ARE THE SYNAGOGUE OF
SATAN."--YESHUAH-MESSIACH/JESUS-CHRIST ! ! !

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News Item11/4/18 10:06 PM
Plain Old Tim | Possum Hollow, USA  Find all comments by Plain Old Tim
And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:
And I say unto thee, Let my son go, that he may serve me: and if thou refuse to let him go, behold, I will slay thy son, even thy firstborn. (Exodus 4:22-23)
The truth—not as man sees it, but as God, who does not change, sees it.
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News Item11/4/18 5:41 PM
TrueHolyBibleChristianCatholic  Find all comments by TrueHolyBibleChristianCatholic
The TRUTH, The WHOLE TRUTH & NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH Is "trash" To FOOLS: But WE Who KNOW THE TRUE-TRUTH/CHRIST Can HOLY-SPIRITUALLY DISCERN The "trash"-talk from mike,"takeheedagain" & co. From TRUTH-TALK ala TrueHolyBibleChristianCatholic !

THE TRUTH STANDS:

The +Worst+ & +Deadliest+ Anti-Semites &-Or
"Jew"-Haters/Killers/Cold-Blooded-Murderers Were +THEMSELVES+ "Jewish" !

EXAMPLE:

#1-ADOLF HITLER-+SCHICKLGRUBER+ !

#2-JOHN WAYNE-+GACY+ !

#3-JEFFREY +DAHMER+ !

Oh & Not To Mention THE ASHKENAZI-"JEWISH" Human-Devil Of ALL HUMAN-DEVILS Of 20th-CENTURY FAME:

#4-+ANTON LAVEY+ !

aka +ANTON LEVEY+ !

ala +ANTON LEVI-ANTON LEVITE+ !

LOOK TRUE KING JAMES HOLY BIBLE ONLY
CHRISTIAN-"CATHOLICS", "PROTESTANTS", INDEPENDENTS & WHOEVER:

THE MASS-SHOOTING AT THE PENNSYLVANIA SYNAGOGUE IS A DESPERATE ATTEMPT BY LUCIFER/*DEMETRIUS*/ROTH$CHILD & CO. TO ATTACK, DISCREDIT & REMOVE +THE TRUMP OF GOD+ & THE U.S. FREEDOM/TRUTH/PATRIOT-MOVEMENT;

ESPECIALLY, PROTESTANT-CHRISTIAN BIBLICAL-LITERALIST FUNDAMENTALIST/EVANGELICAL INFLUENCE IN U.S. POLITICS,

BLAMING U.S. ANTISEMITISM/"JEWISH"-HATING/MURDERING ON +THE TRUMP OF GOD'S PRESIDENCY+ !

&

+HYJACKING+ THE MID-TERM ELECTIONS !

#5-"takeheedagain" REHEEDS SATANIC~"VATICAN-Aliens"/Demons/
Devils & Etc. !

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News Item11/4/18 5:40 PM
takeheedagain  Find all comments by takeheedagain
TrueHolyBibleChristianCatholic wrote:
The Truth, The Whole Truth & Nothing But The Truth Is "trash" To FOOLS: But We Who Know The True-Truth/Christ Can Holy-Spiritually Discern "trash"-Talk
see

11/4/18 5:34 PM
Takeheedagain

News Item:
Vatican: Space aliens might actually exist

The truth is TrueHolyBibleChristianCatholic used to be 'A Bible Christian Who Believes'.
Read his comments here and ask the begging question: Can he really be a true genuine believer or is he rather just a useful idiot for Satan?
see e.g.
8/20/09 1:15 PM
8/10/08 5:54 PM
7/31/08 6:30 PM

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News Item11/4/18 5:08 PM
TrueHolyBibleChristianCatholic  Find all comments by TrueHolyBibleChristianCatholic
Mike wrote:
disgusting trash
The Truth, The Whole Truth & Nothing But The Truth Is "trash" To FOOLS: But We Who Know The True-Truth/Christ Can Holy-Spiritually Discern "trash"-Talk ala mike From Truth-Talk ala TrueHolyBibleChristianCatholic !

THE TRUTH STILL STANDS:

The +Worst+ & +Deadliest+ Anti-Semites &-Or
"Jew"-Haters/Killers/Cold-Blooded-Murderers Were +THEMSELVES+ "Jewish" !

EXAMPLE:

#1: ADOLF HITLER-+SCHICKLGRUBER+ !

#2: JOHN WAYNE-+GACY+ !

#3: JEFFREY +DAHMER+ !

Oh & Did I Forget To Mention The Ashkenazi-"Jewish" Human-Devil Of ALL HUMAN-DEVILS Of 20th-CENTURY FAME:

#4: ANTON +LAVEY+ !

aka +ANTON LEVAY+ !

ala +ANTON LEVI/ANTON LEVITE+ !

LOOK TRUE KING JAMES HOLY BIBLE ONLY
CHRISTIAN-"CATHOLICS", "PROTESTANTS", INDEPENDENTS & "WHOSOEVER WILLS":

THE MASS-SHOOTING AT THAT PENNSYLVANIA SYNAGOGUE IS ALL A DESPERATE ATTEMPT CREATED BY LUCIFER/*DEMETRIUS*/ROTH$CHILD$ & CO. TO ATTACK, DISCREDIT & REMOVE +++THE TRUMP OF GOD+++ & THE U.S. FREEDOM/TRUTHER/PATRIOT-MOVEMENT;

ESPECIALLY, PROTESTANT-CHRISTIAN BIBLICAL-LITERALIST FUNDAMENTALIST/EVANGELICAL INFLUENCE IN U.S. POLITICS !

*BLAMING U.S. ANTISEMITISM/"JEWISH"-HATING/MURDERING ON +++THE TRUMP OF GOD'S PRESIDENCY+++ !

&

+HYJACK+ THE MID-TERM ELECTIONS !

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