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FRONT PAGE  |  1/19/2020
SATURDAY, OCT 27, 2018  |  57 comments
The Open Border Activists Behind the Illegal Immigrant Caravans

You may have heard about the caravan of immigrants from Central America making its way through Mexico in the hopes of illegally crossing the border into the United States. The group of perhaps 4,000 to 7,000 people has made its intentions clear: entering the U.S., even if it means violating American immigration laws.

But you may not have heard of one of the key organizers behind the caravan: Pueblo Sin Fronteras, or “People Without Borders.” And Pueblo Sin Fronteras wants to keep it that way.

Some left-leaning publications such as the New York Times have said that “no group has claimed responsibility for organizing [the most recent] caravan,” perhaps in order to stave off claims by President Trump and other conservatives that it is being aided by left-wing activists in the United States. ...


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News Item4/27/19 6:31 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
I have news for the Pope, the U.S. is not a dumping ground for problems caused by Catholic culture.

It would be much better if they gave aid so these people could to the countries they came from, so the people there can live decently❗️Of course one great Improvement is to provide money to tell the citizens of these countries to:
https://tinyurl.com/gmt84eo (Come out of the Catholic Church)👍

Vatican News wrote:
US border closed

According to a statement from Peter’s Pence, “In recent months, thousands of migrants have arrived in Mexico, having travelled more than 4,000 kilometres on foot and with makeshift vehicles from Honduras, El Salvador and Guatemala. Men and women, often with young children, flee poverty and violence, hoping for a better future in the United States. However, the US border remains closed to them.”

from "Pope sends [$500,000] aid to migrants stranded at the US border"

https://tinyurl.com/yycn7lsl

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News Item11/11/18 9:09 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
I hadn't even heard of Broetje Apples until just a few days ago. I really don't know what quite to think about them. They somewhat remind me of religious Methodists, which they really aren't, but they practice the faith that many a self-centered Baptist say people are supposed to have. A very interesting outfit which grows 6% of the United States Apples
The Fig Tree wrote:
Taking their faith seriously, Ralph and Cheryl Broetje not only chose a biblical concept for their brand, First Fruits of Washington, but also apply biblical principles of servant leadership to their business operations.

Not only is their approach profitable but also they take faith another step by sharing the profits with people in their orchards, in their community, domestically and around the world.

Cheryl said their faith is ecumenical, working as partners with Catholic and Protestant efforts....

--"Orchard implements servant leadership as its business style"

[ https://tinyurl.com/y9qvtdhu ]

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News Item11/11/18 2:09 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
One thing farmers do not like the policies of the present Administration when it comes to foreign workers--or undocumented immigrants.
Sarah Stanley wrote:
...the ... largest employer in Walla Walla County, Washington (with nearly 3,000 employees at harvest time and more than 6,000 acres of apples and cherries), and the producer of 5 percent of all apples consumed in the United States. If you’re in a market and pick up one of the 17 varieties of apples, a pear or a bag of cherries with a “First Fruits” sticker on it, that comes from Broetje....
....
The Trump administration’s crackdown on illegal immigration is particularly difficult and confusing for Broetje’s immigrant employees. Bairstow describes the political climate figuratively as if it were a warning on the U.S. border: “There’s a ‘no trespassing’ sign right next to the sign that says ‘help wanted.’” He points out that the U.S. economy is growing faster than the native population can produce workers. But there’s more involved than labor economics. Bairstow sees this conflict of needing workers and some people wanting to shut down borders as revolving around a single question: “How do we show love to our neighbors?”
--"Broetje’s big garden"

[ https://acton.org/broetjes-big-garden ]

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News Item10/29/18 3:41 PM
Plain Old Tim | Possum Hollow, USA  Find all comments by Plain Old Tim
Moses, if Jiminy Clickit disagrees with you most of the time, then most of the time you must be right.
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News Item10/28/18 5:35 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Moses wrote:
These Roman Catholics should ask help from their dear great shepherd Papa, Mama Mary, and etc.
Making America Roman Catholic.
Moses you do have a point, and this is about as close as we get in agreement most of the time. I see that problem we may have is a group of queers is traveling along with for them.

'For over 15 years, the organization has led migrants from Central America to seek asylum elsewhere."

https://tinyurl.com/y9cysey2 (Who's Pueblo Sin Fronteras, the group behind the migrant caravan that drew Trump's ire?)

The article explains a lot, even if you might not be entirely satisfied with the explanation.

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News Item10/27/18 9:02 PM
Moses | Los Angeles  Find all comments by Moses
These Roman Catholics should ask help from their dear great shepherd Papa, Mama Mary, and etc.

Making America Roman Catholic.

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News Item10/27/18 8:19 PM
Just a Guy | Mississippi  Find all comments by Just a Guy
Thanks for the links. I'll take a look 👍

The point I made was that they come for the same reasons. Which is a better life.

But yes, of course, they are different in the sense of us living in a different time. So their mindset is very different...

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News Item10/27/18 8:14 PM
Unprofitable Servant | TN  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
TMC, thanks for your comment.  Regardless of the reasoning, the fact remains that legal immigration was more or less at a standstill for  more than 4 decades and one of the results of that was an assimilation of those groups into the US fabric.

JAG, there is definitely a difference between the legal immigrants of yesteryear and today’s illegal immigrants.  You don’t read of sanctuary cities, abolishing ICE, telling people that the US Flag is an offensive to minorities, etc. that you see in today’s society.  

I never stated that previous immigrants ditched their cultural heritage but what they did do was adopt ours and became Americans with our customs, culture, and language.  

A couple of links to show for you to ponder on this subject.  Thanks.


https://cis.org/Report/There-Are-No-Jobs-Americans-Wont-Do

https://www.creators.com/read/walter-williams/01/18/immigration-lies-and-hypocrisy

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News Item10/27/18 6:40 PM
Buckeyes | USA  Find all comments by Buckeyes
(TMC)

World Magazine recently did an excellent article on the US and refugees:
https://world.wng.org/2018/09/safe_haven_no_more

@US That cut in the amount of immigrants we took in that started in the 1920’s was part of the Eugenics Movement that also brought about forced sterilizations. The Eugenics “experts” advising the cut particularly wanted the amount of Jewish people entering the country cut back because they claimed they had a “lower IQ” and would pollute the purity of the country. That’s why we deported a whole shipfull of Jewish Refugees back to Nazi Germany in the 30’s.

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News Item10/27/18 5:53 PM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Jag Wrote:
"Just because we are facing different issues with these new immigrants doesn't mean we can't use old but modified ideas. They should be allowed here in a reasonable and speedy method, without compromising our safety and security..."

"Why should the hard working, seeking a better life majority, be left out because of fear of the minority?"

I've never said or implied anything close to this. My position is that only after extreme vetting, and that being on the level of an FBI background investigation, that anyone seeking a high security clearance would be subject to, should anyone be allowed in for our own safety. I'm not sure how this can be fast-tracked, but in today's climate, and for our own safety, it just can't be. Why should America let it's guard down, and comprimise on its safety, simply because those knocking at its door decide to leave their respective countrys, and want in now, as soon as they ring the bell?
I'm not, and never have been against immigration...by legal means; the same process everyone else wanting to live here has had to wait patiently for. Look, we're not talking about a handful of immigrants knocking on the door here and there. How do you securely vet thousands on any given day once the process is compromised to cator to impatienc

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News Item10/27/18 4:52 PM
Just a Guy | Mississippi  Find all comments by Just a Guy
US said...
Also, it is s myth that thrust are taking jobs that other Americans won’t do"

I don't know about that...

There is a reason that companies like Ford, or Carrier are LEAVING us. Nobody wants the cheap jobs...

Except those who see it as a better choice than where they were (aka immigrants)...

Of course, some are also "taking" jobs from Americans. But all that does is encourage the laws of supply and demand. You want to work, you better be more skilled then the "ignorant" immigrant, or you won't get it. Makes for stronger, more efficient businesses, and lowers the price you pay for your goods...

It doesn't have to be from China to be cheap...

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News Item10/27/18 4:43 PM
Just a Guy | Mississippi  Find all comments by Just a Guy
US says....
Previous immigrants wanted to become Americans and assimilate into our society, adopt our customs and culture. That is not so of the borders breakers"

Not completely true. They retained their own culture with a very tight hold.

Their CHILDREN did not. The older generation that came here back then, many times, never learned English! I am referring to the younger generation of immigrants. Who will become true Americans in a matter of decades...

Chris000...

Just because we are facing different issues with these new immigrants doesn't mean we can't use old but modified ideas. They should be allowed here in a reasonable and speedy method, without compromising our safety and security...

For US and Chris000...

There is not a huge difference between the immigrants of today and yesterday...

MOST come here for better lives (just like back then)...

MANY (but not most) come here simply to destroy us (the new issue we have to face)...

I know y'all don't think that most Latin American immigrants are terrorist, drug dealers, or child molesters.

Why should the hard working, seeking a better life majority, be left out because of fear of the minority?

Having a semi-citizen, trackable class of people here (like we did back then) will help Them and Us h

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News Item10/27/18 3:31 PM
Plain Old Tim | Possum Hollow, USA  Find all comments by Plain Old Tim
The goats will be fine, BDF. On cold nights they stay in the house and play bumper pool while I sleep in the shed.
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News Item10/27/18 3:23 PM
Backwoods Duck Farmer | Mississippi  Find all comments by Backwoods Duck Farmer
Christopher000 from Rhode Island writes:
"Really tragic to see so many who need our help, turned away because we are under such constant threat by enemies of the West, and Islam which is sworn to convert or destroy anyone who isn't them."

Wise observation and so true. Our various immigration agencies face a very real problem in this way. As you said, most everyone who comes will claim good reasons for doing so. But as has been pointed out, some want to come here to be predators of what freedom and prosperity we have left. As far as I'm concerned, no Muslims (refugees or not) should be allowed here as they are simply socioeconomic dead weight. It would bring me great joy to see our government tenaciously trying to bring in helpless christian families from other nations that are refugees and/or persecuted for their faith in Christ. Thankfully we've seen the Trump administration do some of that, and hopefully they'll do much, much more.

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News Item10/27/18 3:08 PM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
What is this...Unprofitable Servant-audio??

Just kidding,.and yes, things are way different than those good 'ole days of yesteryear. Very unfortunately, the present climate of fear is a huge hindrance for those who truly are running for their lives, or truly want a better life for themselves and their children, etc. Everyone has a story of fear, tragedy, and poverty, but who is really who, is the dilemna we face, and these hoards advancing on our border by the thousands, and growing, really exasperates this nation which really wants to help the sincere, and the down and out, etc. Really tragic to see so many who need our help, turned away because we are under such constant threat by enemies of the West, and Islam which is sworn to convert or destroy anyone who isn't them.

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News Item10/27/18 3:05 PM
Yolanda | AZ  Find all comments by Yolanda
Just a Guy stated (in part)

“This thread could be put back into the late 1800s and look very similar.
Some would say don't allow any immigrants in... And others would say let them All in... it's who comes here and how they get here....
If we made the legalization process much smoother and faster, the good ones would have no issue … . Meanwhile, the bad ones would continue crossing the border because they know if they get tracked,… . they'll be caught in what they're doing.
America has always welcomed immigrants.’
European immigrant … believed this was a better than the country that they came from…
Overtime they improve their situations and now their descendants indistinguishable citizens of our country…
These Latin Americans are no different...
They're willing to pick fruit, pick up trash on construction sites, etc. “

We could use more sound thinking people like you, Just a Guy. Your thoughts are comforting, encouraging, and worthy to be considered by all who claim to have the mind of Christ. There are reasonable and peaceful solutions to the issues we face today. But the proud and unregenerate are unwilling. Their idea of justice is from beneath, and man-made.

People need the Lord and people need to be loved as God in Christ has loved us.

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News Item10/27/18 2:28 PM
Unprofitable Servant | TN  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
Just have time to make a brief comment. There is a HUGE difference between immigrants of nearly 100 years ago and today. One might even point the severe limitation on immigrants coming here during the stretch between the 1920’s and the mid sixties. Previous immigrants wanted to become Americans and assimilate into our society, adopt our customs and culture. That is not so of the borders breakers Also, it is s myth that thrust are taking jobs that other Americans won’t do.
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News Item10/27/18 2:26 PM
Backwoods Duck Farmer | Mississippi  Find all comments by Backwoods Duck Farmer
Plain Old Tim from Possum Hollow, USA writes:
"And I take back everything I said about nuking them. Instead I think a hundred thousand ordinary American citizens should stand just inside the border and hurl marshmallows at them until they retreat back into Mexico."

Mexicans like sugar almost as much we southerners do. Just a thousand of em' would wolf down every marshmallow you chucked at them.

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News Item10/27/18 2:25 PM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
NC Wrote:
"I need help where I'm ,is this SermonAudio ,or Christopher audio."

Very creative, but no, certainly not Christopher-audio. I just have a lot to say on a certain topic today. I realize it's been a bit overwhelming though.

You forgot to proof-read before submitting your comment, but I figured it out, nonetheless. I had to combine the processing powers of the Summit, here in the US, along with China's, Taihulight supercomputers to decode the complex code, but I got 'er done.

Just messin' with ya, take care there, buddy.

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News Item10/27/18 2:23 PM
Backwoods Duck Farmer | Mississippi  Find all comments by Backwoods Duck Farmer
Plain Old Tim from Possum Hollow, USA writes:
"Immigrants, yes—all that we can absorb. Invaders, no, not one."

I'd say that pretty much sums it up for me.👍

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