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TUESDAY, OCT 23, 2018  |  20 comments  |  1 commentary
LifeWay Research highlights the theology US evangelicals are getting wrong
The survey found that almost seven in 10 Americans believe God is perfect, and two-thirds accept the resurrection of Jesus. More than half – 57 per cent – agree that 'Jesus is the only person who never sinned', with the same proportion saying that 'Jesus is the first and greatest being created by God'. Sixty-six per cent agree 'God accepts the worship of all religions, including Christianity, Judaism and Islam.'

When it comes to beliefs about goodness and sin, more than three-quarters doubt sin has eternal consequences and two-thirds think most people are good by nature.

On the Bible, half believe the Bible is '100 per cent accurate in all that it teaches', but 36 per cent say modern science disproves the Bible.

More than half – 54 per cent – believe hell is a real place where certain people will be punished forever, while 34 per cent agree that 'God will always reward true faith with ...


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News Item10/23/18 9:55 PM
Youth in Asia | Asia  Find all comments by Youth in Asia
Moses says it can't be done, yet it has been done. I use the ESV, NASB, NKJV, NIV, and have benefitted greatly from them. And I'm not alone. The Mormons use the KJV, that did not stop them from heresy. Westboro Baptist Church uses the KJV, that did not stop them. The Freemasons use the KJV. If you want to blame everything on the new bibles, might as well start with the old ones too.
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News Item10/23/18 7:28 PM
Moses | Los Angeles  Find all comments by Moses
You can’t have sound biblical teaching by using modern bibles that espouses doubts, confusions, and ecumenism.
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News Item10/23/18 6:54 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Unprofitable Servant wrote:
My guess is whoever posted it did not know what the "A.M." stood for in the name and didn't do the research on the person as the quote is excellent advise
Thanks! It is possible that it was simply a mistake. There are no female preachers in their inventory. I would write them and ask, but I don't see any email access to them. Years ago I actually emailed the founder and he responded in a prompt manner.

It is not natural for me to give someone the benefit of the doubt, but I think I will do it in this case. But, if I am ever sure they are entertaining feminism, then I am gone.

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News Item10/23/18 6:29 PM
Youth in Asia | Asia  Find all comments by Youth in Asia
Thanks for the answers Mr. Amish, and welcome to sermonaudio, enjoy the sermons.

I don't agree with your lifestyle, and beliefs but that's ok, I won't bite your head off and argue with you, but others might. I hope you enjoy the resources on this site.

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News Item10/23/18 1:07 PM
Unprofitable Servant | TN  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
Frank wrote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maude_Royden
Brother, I would have to agree with you. She was not only a preacher in churches, but one of the earliest feminists who did much harm to society.
If they ever get around to explaining why they did this, someone please let me know. My guess is someone posted that without the founder’s approval or they are simply frauds. But, IMO, their explaining this is a necessity and not a choice.
My guess is whoever posted it did not know what the "A.M." stood for in the name and didn't do the research on the person as the quote is excellent advise
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News Item10/23/18 12:49 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Unprofitable Servant wrote:
Although cannot dispute the truth of the admonition of Today's quote, one wonders why SA would chose to use a quote from what looks like (unless I a missing something in my research) a woman "preacher" on their site
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maude_Royden

Brother, I would have to agree with you. She was not only a preacher in churches, but one of the earliest feminists who did much harm to society.

If they ever get around to explaining why they did this, someone please let me know. My guess is someone posted that without the founder’s approval or they are simply frauds. But, IMO, their explaining this is a necessity and not a choice.

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News Item10/23/18 12:21 PM
Unprofitable Servant | TN  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
Although cannot dispute the truth of the admonition of Today's quote, one wonders why SA would chose to use a quote from what looks like (unless I a missing something in my research) a woman "preacher" on their site
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News Item10/23/18 11:50 AM
Amishchristian | Mid-West  Contact via emailFind all comments by Amishchristian
Sorry for the jumbled order of my response , I am unable to write one long answer, SA apparently doesn’t allow it.
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News Item10/23/18 11:47 AM
Amishchristian | Mid-West  Contact via emailFind all comments by Amishchristian
I the Amish way is not possible for everyone, nor even the only way to live. But what is universal are the commands and principles found in Scripture. Even if you don’t agree with much of what we believe and do, It would be wise I think to at least study to understand why we retain most of our youth, have no divorce, no fornication, no drug addictions, obedient respectful children. Again are there exception? Unfortunately yes, we’re not in heaven yet, but we work hard to show the world Jesus by our example. God help us.
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News Item10/23/18 11:46 AM
Amishchristian | Mid-West  Contact via emailFind all comments by Amishchristian
To answer your questions:
1. Secluded? Often but not always. Mission work can be a point of contention where the most traditional churches feel helping their next door neighbors is good enough, others are very concerned for the lost. They pray for the lost, give money to foreign mission work and will take a week or two off from work to help in various mission projects. I would be glad to give a list of mission organizations where Amish are involved in.
2. Is it a sin to forgo modern conveniences? We have learned that hard work is good for the soul and builds character. We pity youth that haven’t learned to work. Laziness is a curse and can haunt a person all their life. Farming is declining do to high land prices and shortages. Other occupations are now increasing. Believe it or not some Amish do use electricity, but not for vain pursuits.
3. God warns us many times of falling away. We take those warning seriously and try to live soberly and watchful (1Peter5:8). We need God’s grace for salvation, the humble will receive it (1Peter5:5). Since when is God obligated to save anyone? He knows His sheep and they follow Him.
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News Item10/23/18 11:43 AM
Amishchristian | Mid-West  Contact via emailFind all comments by Amishchristian
Youth in Asia from Asia writes:
Those are good points, and apply to many churches around the world.

Maybe you can make this clear Amish... But the stereotype of your group is that
1. You are secluded and do zero mission work
2. You live on farms with no electricity and no cars, and no washing machines.
3. You believe you can lose your salvation

Any of that true?

I appreciate the questions.
Let me first just say that there are a lot misconceptions (yes stereotypes) that exist thanks to romance books, videos, and even former Amish who were under church discipline, or yes, treated very unfairly by their church, were deeply hurt and then did all they could to represent the Amish in the worst light possible. That is not fair to other churches. My own experience has been nothing but good.

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News Item10/23/18 10:53 AM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Amishchristian,

Is your goal to convert people to Amish? IOW, do you believe that most of the posters here are in fact Christian even if they reject your movement? We are familiar with catholics who frequent this forum that have no real desire to fellowship, but to simply give credence to their movement.

How about this scripture reference? David was a man after God’s own heart. David committed adultery and murder therefore it is okay to murder and commit adultery. What I am saying is without the Holy Spirit I can make scripture say anything I want it to say.

I have never studied the Amish faith in any detail, but have always felt like others have said that they are completely works based and consider their separation and other idiosyncrasies to be the basis for their salvation. IOW, it is man centered.

Grace, repentance and salvation come solely from our Lord and there is nothing we can do to merit it. And our Lord keeps all those that belong to Him.

Oh and to the article. None of these statistics surprise me in the least.

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News Item10/23/18 10:41 AM
Plain Old Tim | Possum Hollow, USA  Find all comments by Plain Old Tim
But Allie, don’t you know the saints will return to earth riding white horses, and not white SUVs? You’re absolutely right, though. For the Amish, as well as the Mormons, Catholics, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Church of Christ, and many others, it’s Jesus-plus for salvation. The problem is that any system that adds to Jesus for salvation takes Jesus away completely. When it comes to everlasting life, He is all, or He is nothing at all.
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News Item10/23/18 10:12 AM
Allie  Find all comments by Allie
Youth in Asia wrote:
Those are good points, and apply to many churches around the world.
Maybe you can make this clear Amish... But the stereotype of your group is that
1. You are secluded and do zero mission work
2. You live on farms with no electricity and no cars, and no washing machines.
3. You believe you can lose your salvation
Any of that true?
Yes and they are biblically illiterate themselves. It is a works base system where there is an inordinate attachment to parents. People who leave are shunned. There is hypocrisy and compromise within it. They do not trust in Christ alone for salvation, but like the rest of the unbelieving world hope their good deeds outweigh the bad for entrance into glory. Every true believer using cars and electricity will enter glory while someone living like it is still the 18th and 19th century will go to help if not trusting in Christ alone for salvation. Works are in keeping with scripture not living the lifestyle of 200yrs ago.
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News Item10/23/18 9:53 AM
The Quiet Christian  Find all comments by The Quiet Christian
...problem.

If by your holy conversation, you lead others by example, word, and deed to follow Christ in genuine faith, you do well.

But it is easy for any of us to consider ourselves doing well in well doing without that power of sanctification underway. Evidence of genuine faith is actually pretty narrowly defined and is pretty much summed up as hating our own sin and the fruit of the Spirit from Galatians 5:22-23. Without those, no matter what our traditions hold, we are bankrupt.

This isn't an issue just for our Amish brethren but for us all. So many fundamentalist or conservative churched kids fall away, running from that tradition because they lacked the underpinning foundation of faith to continue in it. In their defence, they were attacked by the world with arguments against that faith and the God who gives it. Still, For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God, not of works, lest any man should boast himself. - Ephesians 2:8-9

Toward what end?

For we are his workmanship created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath ordained, that we should walk in them. - Ephesians 2:10

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News Item10/23/18 9:48 AM
Youth in Asia | Asia  Find all comments by Youth in Asia
Those are good points, and apply to many churches around the world.

Maybe you can make this clear Amish... But the stereotype of your group is that
1. You are secluded and do zero mission work
2. You live on farms with no electricity and no cars, and no washing machines.
3. You believe you can lose your salvation

Any of that true?

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News Item10/23/18 9:43 AM
The Quiet Christian  Find all comments by The Quiet Christian
Thank you, Amishchristian, for stating what should have been obvious to all.

My point in response is which comes first, faith or sanctification leading us out of that list of sins?

Genuine faith (not a mere acknowledgement of Christ) is a life changing event. The outcomes of that event are wide-ranging, but include a genuine love for God, His word, His precepts, and His people. The Holy Spirit must be at work to bring that gift of faith (Ephesians 2:8, 9) as well as work to lead individuals who have been saved to a right understanding of His word, growing that proper love, etc. This should lead to lifestyles, or "converstions" in Old English, that conform more and more to the way the Lord has told us that we should live.

Unfortunately, the Bible has been undermined by German higher criticism and Darwinism. Too many feel they can do whatever. Too many do not receive good instruction from faithful preachers which the Holy Spirit so often uses. Too many do not commit themselves to prayerfully reading their Bibles, asking the Lord to teach them and convict them of sin so they may repent.

Whereas tradition can protect us from some of the evils of the day, it is insufficient to fully protect against it all, like the Law from Romans 7, and which you acknowledge as a proble

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News Item10/23/18 9:09 AM
Amishchristian | Mid-West  Contact via emailFind all comments by Amishchristian
Carl haydock from England writes:
I'm not Catholic but you can't be LGBT Catholic. It's disturbing how many churches and so-called Christians are accepting the lifestyle choice.

I would like to respond to your comment Carl Haydock from yesterday if I may.

Not all of us Amish are ignorant of what is going on in the world. Some are well versed in history and are living a intentional life of godliness and separation from the world and making every attempt to obey all of Scripture such that now we are the ones who look like oddballs. What we notice is a slow process over many years of Christians departing from the clear teachings of Scripture. Accepting the LGBT lifestyle is merely the most recent compromise.

What do I mean? I will try to make a short list of compromises that I (and others) have noticed within churches.
1. Years ago Christians deemed it unnecessary for women to cover their heads anymore according to first Corinthians 11.
2. Years ago Christians deemed it unnecessary to obey the sermon on the mount given to us by our Lord.
3. Christians are no longer known for loving their enemies.
4. Swearing oaths is common among Christians.
5. It seems that when the television came into Christian homes years ago that adultery and divorce quickly increased. Tod

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News Item10/23/18 9:08 AM
Amishchristian | Mid-West  Contact via emailFind all comments by Amishchristian
6. Modesty among Christians seems to be wearing anything you please as long as you’re not completely naked.
7. Keeping oneself pure until marriage is old fashion now. Fornication is surprisingly common among Christians today.
8. They say Bible reading and church attendance is at an all time low among Christians and biblical illiteracy is high.
9. What happened to respect for authority? In the home, in the church and toward our government.

I’ll stop there, the list is already longer than I expected. No doubt this list will upset Christians, even here on SA. But I would be glad to give Scripture references for each subject on that list.

I want to make it clear that I am not perfect and that the Amish churches have their own set of problems, many in fact are not following Christ but merely tradition. But the world needs to see again Christians who not only say they believe the Bible but also do what it says even if it means looking and acting different. God help us.

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News Item10/23/18 1:13 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Ligonier Ministries wrote:
These results show the pressing need for Christians to be taught Christology, especially as the outcome has gotten worse since 2016. There is a general lack of teaching today on the person of Christ, a doctrine for which the early church fought so hard. The Ligonier Statement on Christology has been carefully formulated to restate historic, orthodox, biblical Christology.
excerpt from, "The State of Theology"

[ https://thestateoftheology.com/ ]

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