The White House hosted a dinner Monday night (Aug. 27) for about 100 evangelical Christian leaders and senior-level officials, honoring evangelicals, as one participant explained, ‚Äúfor all the good work they do.‚ÄĚ
Calling America ‚Äúa nation of believers,‚ÄĚ President Trump said at the event that they had gathered to ‚Äúcelebrate America‚Äôs heritage of faith, family and freedom.‚ÄĚ
‚ÄúAs you know, in recent years the government tried to undermine religious freedom, but the attacks on communities of faith are over,‚ÄĚ the president said. ‚ÄúWe‚Äôve ended it. We‚Äôve ended it. Unlike some before us, we are protecting your religious liberty.‚ÄĚ...
Michael Horton wrote: As¬†a student of Kenyon, Kenneth Hagin, revered as ‚Äúgranddaddy‚ÄĚ in Word of Faith circles, gave the faith-healing movement its theological core. It included odd teachings about us all being ‚Äúlittle gods.‚ÄĚ Those who are born again, Hagin said, ‚Äúare as much the incarnation [of God] as Jesus of Nazareth.‚ÄĚ ‚ÄúYou don‚Äôt have a God living in you,‚ÄĚ says Hagin‚Äôs student Kenneth Copeland. ‚ÄúYou are one.‚ÄĚ....
The positive-thinking movement appealed to urbane movers-and-shakers. Peale and Schuller were counselors to CEOs and U.S. presidents. Word of Faith has been more popular among rural sections of the Bible Belt, where faith healers have had a long and successful history. But in the 1980s, the two streams blended publicly, with Copeland, Hinn and Schuller showing up regularly together on¬†TBN....
In the 1950s, American theologian Reinhold Niebuhr described Peale‚Äôs message as a false gospel: ‚ÄúThe basic sin of this cult is its egocentricity,‚ÄĚ he said. ‚ÄúIt puts ‚Äėself‚Äô instead of the cross at the center of the picture.‚ÄĚ...
excerpt from: "Evangelicals should be deeply troubled by Donald Trump‚Äôs attempt to mainstream heresy "
Jim Lincoln wrote: I am surprised that the more Baptist orientated members of Trump's religious Council wouldn't be critical of the presence of Paula White at these meetings? She is a heretic‚Ěó --"The Gospel of Winning: Trump's philosophy, and its policy implications" [ https://tinyurl.com/y792s292 ] Actually I found other articles that says Trump is a nihilist. Unfortunately all of them had at least one word which I don't personally use.ūüĎé An almost clean version I've one of the better articles on Trump's nihilism can be found here: https://tinyurl.com/y944crbo Whichever of these Worldly views are true of Trump, what is this Evangelical committee doing to dissuade Trump?‚Ěó
I am surprised that the more Baptist orientated members of Trump's religious Council wouldn't be critical of the presence of Paula White at these meetings? She is a heretic‚Ěó
Stephen B. Young wrote: ...Trump‚Äôs governing philosophy is a curious blend of Prosperity Gospel and Social Darwinism. Let‚Äôs call the resulting potion the American Gospel of Winning. This is the heart of Trump‚Äôs ‚Äúpopulist‚ÄĚ vision....
Under the resulting Gospel of Winning, those who are blessed ‚Äúwin‚ÄĚ ‚ÄĒ and their ‚Äúwinnings‚ÄĚ are somehow both earned and a gift of grace.
How much money and/or status you have becomes a most reliable sign of hw much you have pleased and been favored by God.
As an inevitable corollary, those who are not blessed will be ‚Äúlosers....
--"The Gospel of Winning: Trump's philosophy, and its policy implications"
[ https://tinyurl.com/y792s292 ]
Actually I found other articles that says Trump is a nihilist. Unfortunately all of them had at least one word which I don't personally use.ūüĎé
An almost clean version I've one of the better articles on Trump's nihilism can be found here:
Whichever of these Worldly views are true of Trump, what is this Evangelical committee doing to dissuade Trump?‚Ěó
One should look at the four foundations of dispensationalism. Is a well-organized theological viewpoint. It will give at least another few of things besides the Reformed view or as far as that goes a Catholic view of eschatology and general interpretation of the Bible.
The Four Foundations:
http://tinyurl.com/y7bl8nzj¬†"The First Foundation: Consistent Literal Interpretation"
http://tinyurl.com/ycb4dg47¬†"Premillennialism: The Second Foundation"
http://tinyurl.com/y965aje4¬†"Futurism: The Third Foundation"
http://tinyurl.com/yc7f5e86¬†"Israel / Church Distinction: The 4th Foundation"
Neil, you should find John MacArthur little bit more easy to understand than me, but you can mention just where do you stand on Israel? I would assume as a Reformed Church member. You give it no special consideration? They are just another group of people there's no special place in God's plan of Salvation?
John MacArthur wrote: Let's open the Word of God to Zechariah chapter 12, Zechariah chapter 12. While you're turning to Zechariah, he is quite a remarkable prophet, Zechariah. Prophesied in about 520 to 518. Prophesies after the Babylonian captivity is over and the people of Israel have been released from Babylon by Cyrus. They've come back to the land. He's what we call a postexilic prophet. He's prophesying to the people in the newly constituted nation of Israel. They've gotten their life back. They're in their country, and he encourages them to restore their love for God, their worship of God, and to build the temple. And he encourages them in that by prophesying the Word of the Lord to them--that the Messiah will come, the Messiah will come.
--"The Salvation of Israel" [ https://tinysa.com/253006 ] See the end of this comment completed in an earlier message
John MacArthur wrote: The theme of the coming Messiah runs all the way through Zechariah. The opening nine chapters or so focus a lot on the first coming of Messiah--features of the first coming of Messiah. But chapters 12 to 14 focus on the Second Coming of Messiah. So he gives them this amazing vision of the wonderful future that Israel has in the plan of God, a future of national salvation when the Messiah comes to establish His Kingdom and fulfill all the promises given to the patriarchs and to David and all the prophets in the past...
--"The Salvation of Israel" [ https://tinysa.com/253006 ]ūüĎć
Neil, your comment is both too short and too vague for me or anyone else to get any material out of it. Now, I think I gave a reason well actually Thomas Ice gave a reason. For the support of modern Israel. See... [ https://tinyurl.com/ybg54ze7 ]
" Is Modern Israel Fulfilling Prophecy? "
I agree with it, and the matter was settled for me anyway before reading this, but it will give good reasons on why I do support modern Israel.
You may disagree with the above, but please state if not you're objections to the above article at least where you stand on Israel and why?
Neil, As Dr. Thomas Ice would say, Israel is in the dry bones stage of its rebirth.
You reminded me of one thing that I should have wrote my congressman about but never have is supporting Israel. ūüĎć
I complained about Obama's policies, here on SA. Obama, I couldn't attack him on a personal level, because his behavior was basically exemplary -- now, some other presidents, well for example Warren G Harding, Behavior certainly wasn't.
I have to admit though I haven't attacked Trump's Council of Hypocrites as much as I should, they deserve even more because they make a pretense of being a Christian. They seem to be more interested in money then religion - as compared to ex-committees of businessmen that Trump had and who resigned after Charlottsville.
Realizing that Reformed Church people have a much harder time with Israel than Dispensationalists [See again http://tinyurl.com/gmxgbsm ] which we Dispensationalists attribute to Catholic baggage. You are also less hostile to Israel then other Reformed Church members here on SermonAudio. The best I hope for is benign neglect when it comes to the topic of Israel.
Hmm, write to my congressman? I haven't done that in years and it wasn't about Israel either.
Jim Lincoln wrote: Neil, a lot of money is spent on Israel because it's our only real ally in the Middle East.
There you go again, trying to change the subject to pragmatic matters. You and John MacArthur have a Double Standard for political involvement by Christians: One with US Presidents (esp. ones you hate), and another with Israelis, whom Dispies fall over themselves to praise and encourage (and finance thru Congressmen trying to please Jews, Christians, and defense contractors). And you bully other Christians by calling anyone not completely supportive of Israel an anti-Semite (as one of your attachments insinuated).
Neil, a lot of money is spent on Israel because it's our only real ally in the Middle East. Also a lot of people are Philo Semitic, even president Trump, who by the wildest stretch of the imagination couldn't be considered Christian let alone a dispensationalist
Well, I wasn't trying to bait and switch but I did get an explanation out of you that I don't think is quite valid. The technological achievements of Israel, which has many general benefits but also military ones that filter into our own military.
Money spent on Israel is money well spent which many atheists can even appreciate.
Jim Lincoln wrote: However, as long as I seen your postings they struck me as being replacement theology??? Explain
Trying to misdirect, eh? Nothing doing. My charge is not that Dispensationalism is in error (which debate would waste space here), but that it has influenced American foreign policy in a baneful way because its promoters have lost sight of the church's proper role, the very thing you blame "evangelicals" for here. You don't like them palling around with Prez. Trump, but you do like Congressmen spending billions on Israeli welfare - and Trump signing such a bill. Double-standard.
Well, I certainly assume that these articles don't apply to you Neil.
Randall Balmer wrote: As pundits scratch their heads over evangelical support for Donald Trump ‚ÄĒ he pulls a greater percentage of evangelical than any other candidate ‚ÄĒ they overlook one important fact: Evangelicals are secular now. Over the last several decades, they have devolved from theological guardians to political operatives.... ...America's evangelicals have become secular, more interested in the pursuit of wealth and political influence than fidelity to the teachings of Jesus....
--[URL=https://tinyurl.com/ycayffca]]]https://tinyurl.com/ycayffca (Evangelicals' support of Trump shouldn't come as a surprise)[/URL] ūüíįūüĎé
The article that I mentioned in my other posting was not by Randall, it's shorter and it has a bunch of cartoons in it, which are either amusing or bemusing depending on your opinion of Trump. But I think it is excellent. It was the first time I mentioned it, but I'll mention it again ūüĎć. [URL=https://tinyurl.com/ycyz6ayrs]]]https://tinyurl.com/ycyz6ayrs (Worldly politics, not heavenly powers, inspire evangelicals to stick with Trump)[/URL]
However, as long as I seen your postings they struck me as being replacement theology??? Explain
Wow, during all these comments on the thread has anyone ever mention if they always hang up a sign at the so-called Evangelical banquets saying: "The ends justify the means?" ‚Ěó
I'm sure Trump's Priestess Paula White can tell him where that's found in the Bible, though most other people would say it comes from Machiavelli's "The Prince."
This writer does an excellent job of looking at this group of worldly "Christians."ūüĎé
[URL=https://tinyurl.com/ycyz6ayr]]]http://tinyurl.com/ycyz6ayrs (Worldly politics, not heavenly powers, inspire evangelicals to stick with Trump) [/URL]
Jacqueline Thomsen wrote: Thirty-seven percent of Americans rate the Trump administration as having good or excellent ethical standards, according to a Gallup poll released Thursday, the lowest rating given to a White House since the poll started asking the question during the Reagan administration....
--[URL=https://tinyurl.com/yaz5uylm]]]Trump admin gets lowest-ever ethics ratings in Gallup poll)[/URL]
Matthew 7:23 And then will I declare to them, I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness. ---ESV
Neil, [URL=https://tinyurl.com/gmxgbsm]]]https://tinyurl.com/gmxgbsm (Exposing Hidden Anti-Semitism in the Church)[/URL]‚Ěó
Jim Lincoln wrote: The simple matter is Neil, is that the majority of Americans support Israel.
That's not in dispute! It is a form of imperialism, feeding billions of $ annually to client states like that who are perfectly capable of taking care of themselves. And for Christians, it is idolatry, akin to Catholics worshipping Mary.
The simple matter is Neil, is that the majority of Americans support Israel. This includes Catholics the most important group in the country politically speaking. dispensationalist sorry small group and comparison of course we are quite biblically accurate in supporting Israel and are quite vocal about it. The Reform Group which might even be bigger or is just as vocal about their non-support of Israel but of course that is biblically inaccurate.