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FRONT PAGE  |  9/18/2019
MONDAY, AUG 6, 2018  |  59 comments
California Church to Build Brewery, Drink Beer During Services
He added: "There's nothing in the Bible that says you can't drink alcohol in a responsible manner."

Food lounge owner Andrea Mollenauer, whose business is hosting the church thinks it is a great idea.

"Why not serve beer when they're reading Bible verses? I thought it was genius," she said.


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News Item8/24/18 8:45 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Sarah Boseley wrote:
“Alcohol poses dire ramifications for future population health in the absence of policy action today. Our results indicate that alcohol use and its harmful effects on health could become a growing challenge as countries become more developed, and enacting or maintaining strong alcohol control policies will be vital,” said the report’s senior author, Prof Emmanuela Gakidou.

“Worldwide we need to revisit alcohol control policies and health programmes, and to consider recommendations for abstaining from alcohol. These include excise taxes on alcohol, controlling the physical availability of alcohol and the hours of sale, and controlling alcohol advertising. Any of these policy actions would contribute to reductions in population-level consumption, a vital step toward decreasing the health loss associated with alcohol use.”

--[URL=https://tinyurl.com/y8frp6z8]]]No healthy level of alcohol consumption, says major study [/URL]
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News Item8/9/18 11:40 PM
Dr. Tim | Possum Hollow, USA  Find all comments by Dr. Tim
Meanwhile, baptisms are up at the cheery, bleary, beery church as more and more people clamor to participate in the Dunk a Drunk for Jesus program.
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News Item8/9/18 4:38 PM
John for JESUS | Atl  Find all comments by John for JESUS
Unprofitable Servant...

Not at all! The words used for consumption of alcohol, wine, beer, vodka, whatever, are distinctly different for bishops as opposed to deacons because they are held to different standards.

For a bishop must be blameless, as a steward of God, not self-willed, not quick-tempered, not given to wine, not violent, not greedy for money,
Titus 1:7

It's as clear as day that they are not to use it or have anything to do with it. Just like they aren't supposed to be violent or greedy.

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News Item8/9/18 4:03 PM
B. McCausland  Find all comments by B. McCausland
Beloved, believe not every spirit,
but try the spirits whether they are of God:
because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
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News Item8/9/18 3:57 PM
Unprofitable Servant | TN  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
Please pay attention to what I say. I already advocated for abstinence in an earlier post. I am saying your understanding of what the passage is teaching is wrong because you are reading your thinking into what was said. Instead of letting yourself align with what is in the Bible you are making the Bible align with you. You are putting 21st century American culture into 1st century Middle East culture
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News Item8/9/18 2:20 PM
John for JESUS | Atl  Find all comments by John for JESUS
Unprofitable Servant wrote:
exactly J4J this more proof your thinking on this passage is invalid, it is not about alcohol
Sober here has no reference to not being inebirated if you were right then a simple sip of wine would constitute not being sober
So you want to double down and say not only is it okay for a bishop to drink Mad Dog 20/20, but he can drink Jack Daniel's also?! Why have any standards for pastors anymore? Let them have their multiple marriages and drink their booze!
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News Item8/9/18 1:44 PM
B. McCausland  Find all comments by B. McCausland
Any 'church' approximating by purposeful design worldly traits, or resembling/adopting Satan's fleshly luring devices, endears total mistrust to the true child of God who is consciously aware of how he is called to be soberminded in all he does.
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News Item8/9/18 12:57 PM
Unprofitable Servant | TN  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
John for JESUS wrote:
Should bishops stay away from wine, but whiskey, beer, and vodka is fine?!
exactly J4J this more proof your thinking on this passage is invalid, it is not about alcohol

Sober here has no reference to not being inebirated if you were right then a simple sip of wine would constitute not being sober

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News Item8/9/18 11:35 AM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
The lunatics are running the asylum.
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News Item8/9/18 4:46 AM
Carl haydock | England  Contact via emailFind all comments by Carl haydock
What a stupid idea. The lunatics are running the asylum
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News Item8/9/18 4:25 AM
John for JESUS | Atl  Find all comments by John for JESUS
Should bishops stay away from wine, but whiskey, beer, and vodka is fine?!
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News Item8/8/18 8:56 PM
John for JESUS | Atl  Find all comments by John for JESUS
They are made differently, but the alcohol content is similar so I will apply it to beer also. The whole point is for bishops not to use it so they can be sober minded.
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News Item8/8/18 8:24 PM
In you didn’t know  Find all comments by In you didn’t know
Beer and wine alcohol content very different. You can’t change what the Bible says about wine and say it applies to any type of alcoholic drink. You’re the one adding alcohol content to the subject at hand
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News Item8/8/18 7:50 PM
John for JESUS | Atl  Find all comments by John for JESUS
From the article:

He added: "There's nothing in the Bible that says you can't drink alcohol in a responsible manner."

Beer is alcohol like wine is.

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News Item8/8/18 7:25 PM
In case you didn’t notice  Find all comments by In case you didn’t notice
The article is about beer and never mentions wine
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News Item8/8/18 4:39 PM
John for JESUS | Atl  Find all comments by John for JESUS
Yolanda...

I think you're right about that. The Holy Spirit has nothing to do with this "church"!

For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
Hebrews 4:12

I think the word of God is revealing the true intent of people's hearts on this subject.

not given to wine, not violent, not greedy for money, but gentle, not quarrelsome, not covetous;
I Timothy 3:3

It's funny how in all of those things only alcohol gets questioned. Nobody would say it's okay for a pastor to partake in a little violence, or that they can be kind of greedy. However, they will swear that it is okay for a bishop to drink!

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News Item8/8/18 4:25 PM
Yolanda | AZ  Find all comments by Yolanda
John for JESUS wrote:
If the Bible said that a bishop is not to be given to idolatry or fornication, I wonder if some people would claim that means just a little bit?
not given to wine, not violent, not greedy for money, but gentle, not quarrelsome, not covetous;
I Timothy 3:3
The phrase in verse three consists of two Greek words (me paroinos) and, literally translated, means “not beside, by, or at wine” (Vine, 1966, p. 146; Robertson, 1934, p. 613)
Likewise deacons must be reverent, not double-tongued, not given to much wine, not greedy for money,
I Timothy 3:8
the four words used to qualify deacons on this point (me oino pollo prosechontas) are literally translated “not wine much occupied with” (cf. Perschbacher, p. 352; Spain, 1970, p. 64)
So there are different words being used between the two verses because there are distinctions to be made. Bishops are to stay away from alcohol and deacons are not to use much alcohol.
If Christ is not building it, it is not a "church."
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News Item8/8/18 7:18 AM
John for JESUS | Atl  Find all comments by John for JESUS
If the Bible said that a bishop is not to be given to idolatry or fornication, I wonder if some people would claim that means just a little bit?

not given to wine, not violent, not greedy for money, but gentle, not quarrelsome, not covetous;
I Timothy 3:3

The phrase in verse three consists of two Greek words (me paroinos) and, literally translated, means “not beside, by, or at wine” (Vine, 1966, p. 146; Robertson, 1934, p. 613)

Likewise deacons must be reverent, not double-tongued, not given to much wine, not greedy for money,
I Timothy 3:8

the four words used to qualify deacons on this point (me oino pollo prosechontas) are literally translated “not wine much occupied with” (cf. Perschbacher, p. 352; Spain, 1970, p. 64)

So there are different words being used between the two verses because there are distinctions to be made. Bishops are to stay away from alcohol and deacons are not to use much alcohol.

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News Item8/8/18 6:17 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
US Wrote:
"Christopher they didn’t accuse Our Lord of eating and drinking..."

Thanks for the correction, my brother...The point I was trying to make is that the wine back then was fermented drink, plain and simple. Honestly, I don know how it can be refuted, especially if anyone were to research the corresponding customs, etc., of the day, and their wine production, methods, etc.

My personal position is this: A little, once in a while, and in extreme moderation. Extreme moderation because it doesn't take much to reach buzz level. This so-called church is asking for trouble as it calls out to any and all, to come on in and drink while listening to scripture. They call themselves progressive, and, yes...they are just that. God and His Word are not progressive. They are not fluid, and ever changing. Big thumbs down to them and their ways.

For myself, I've never cared for alcohol, beer, etc. I think it all tastes horrible.

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News Item8/8/18 5:41 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Unprofitable Servant wrote:
Here is a good link on what sober minded really means.
http://truediscipleship.com/character-traits-of-the-spiritual-life-sober-minded-prudent-thoughtful-sensible-3/
Extremely good, little article on the subject, Bro US. Thank you. It's interesting that the article doesn't mention drinking once.

The Bible ties some people up in knots, because they refuse to compare scripture with scripture, but take a proof text from wheresoever they will. For example, if you want to prove that younger women may give themselves to much wine.....

Titus 2:3 KJV
(3)  The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;

Wisdom is required in interpreting scriptures, and literalism has led many astray, especially you-know-who. And yes, I will take your advice.

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