Sarah Boseley wrote: âAlcohol poses dire ramifications for future population health in the absence of policy action today. Our results indicate that alcohol use and its harmful effects on health could become a growing challenge as countries become more developed, and enacting or maintaining strong alcohol control policies will be vital,â said the reportâs senior author, Prof Emmanuela Gakidou.
âWorldwide we need to revisit alcohol control policies and health programmes, and to consider recommendations for abstaining from alcohol. These include excise taxes on alcohol, controlling the physical availability of alcohol and the hours of sale, and controlling alcohol advertising. Any of these policy actions would contribute to reductions in population-level consumption, a vital step toward decreasing the health loss associated with alcohol use.â
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Please pay attention to what I say. I already advocated for abstinence in an earlier post. I am saying your understanding of what the passage is teaching is wrong because you are reading your thinking into what was said. Instead of letting yourself align with what is in the Bible you are making the Bible align with you. You are putting 21st century American culture into 1st century Middle East culture
Unprofitable Servant wrote: exactly J4J this more proof your thinking on this passage is invalid, it is not about alcohol Sober here has no reference to not being inebirated if you were right then a simple sip of wine would constitute not being sober
So you want to double down and say not only is it okay for a bishop to drink Mad Dog 20/20, but he can drink Jack Daniel's also?! Why have any standards for pastors anymore? Let them have their multiple marriages and drink their booze!
Any 'church' approximating by purposeful design worldly traits, or resembling/adopting Satan's fleshly luring devices, endears total mistrust to the true child of God who is consciously aware of how he is called to be soberminded in all he does.
Beer and wine alcohol content very different. You canât change what the Bible says about wine and say it applies to any type of alcoholic drink. Youâre the one adding alcohol content to the subject at hand
I think you're right about that. The Holy Spirit has nothing to do with this "church"!
For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. Hebrews 4:12
I think the word of God is revealing the true intent of people's hearts on this subject.
not given to wine, not violent, not greedy for money, but gentle, not quarrelsome, not covetous; I Timothy 3:3
It's funny how in all of those things only alcohol gets questioned. Nobody would say it's okay for a pastor to partake in a little violence, or that they can be kind of greedy. However, they will swear that it is okay for a bishop to drink!
John for JESUS wrote: If the Bible said that a bishop is not to be given to idolatry or fornication, I wonder if some people would claim that means just a little bit? not given to wine, not violent, not greedy for money, but gentle, not quarrelsome, not covetous; I Timothy 3:3 The phrase in verse three consists of two Greek words (me paroinos) and, literally translated, means ânot beside, by, or at wineâ (Vine, 1966, p. 146; Robertson, 1934, p. 613) Likewise deacons must be reverent, not double-tongued, not given to much wine, not greedy for money, I Timothy 3:8 the four words used to qualify deacons on this point (me oino pollo prosechontas) are literally translated ânot wine much occupied withâ (cf. Perschbacher, p. 352; Spain, 1970, p. 64) So there are different words being used between the two verses because there are distinctions to be made. Bishops are to stay away from alcohol and deacons are not to use much alcohol.
If Christ is not building it, it is not a "church."
US Wrote: "Christopher they didnât accuse Our Lord of eating and drinking..."
Thanks for the correction, my brother...The point I was trying to make is that the wine back then was fermented drink, plain and simple. Honestly, I don know how it can be refuted, especially if anyone were to research the corresponding customs, etc., of the day, and their wine production, methods, etc.
My personal position is this: A little, once in a while, and in extreme moderation. Extreme moderation because it doesn't take much to reach buzz level. This so-called church is asking for trouble as it calls out to any and all, to come on in and drink while listening to scripture. They call themselves progressive, and, yes...they are just that. God and His Word are not progressive. They are not fluid, and ever changing. Big thumbs down to them and their ways.
For myself, I've never cared for alcohol, beer, etc. I think it all tastes horrible.
Unprofitable Servant wrote: Here is a good link on what sober minded really means. http://truediscipleship.com/character-traits-of-the-spiritual-life-sober-minded-prudent-thoughtful-sensible-3/
Extremely good, little article on the subject, Bro US. Thank you. It's interesting that the article doesn't mention drinking once.
The Bible ties some people up in knots, because they refuse to compare scripture with scripture, but take a proof text from wheresoever they will. For example, if you want to prove that younger women may give themselves to much wine.....
Titus 2:3 KJV (3)Â The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;
Wisdom is required in interpreting scriptures, and literalism has led many astray, especially you-know-who. And yes, I will take your advice.