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FRONT PAGE  |  12/15/2018
FRIDAY, JUL 13, 2018  |  24 comments
400-year-old King James Bible found abandoned in Manawatū church cupboard

How a 1616 edition of the Bible ever got into the cupboard of a Palmerston North church is a mystery that may never be solved.

It's understood to be the oldest in Manawat?.

After being accidentally discovered in 2012, it was unearthed once again this week after a Feilding priest called for old bibles to share with her congregation at St John's Church.

She hoped to share their unique stories in a bid to reignite people's interest, ahead of National Bible Day on July 15. ...


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News Item7/19/18 11:19 AM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Interesting from an historical perspective.
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News Item7/14/18 7:55 PM
FG | USA  Contact via emailFind all comments by FG
I wonder what it must have been like in the English speaking church when there was only one bible to refer to in points of debate or controversy or practice. is it possible that that generation knew more about maintaining a good marriage, were better at child rearing, and maintaining strong, healthy united local churches than the following generations? Was there more or less unity in the body of Christ as a whole than today? Is it just coincidental that there is no known revival (local or sweeping) that took place under any modern translations? (including the NKJV)
Meh. That's all meaningless and irrelevant, right? As long as we have love.

Anyways........

Go Expos!

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News Item7/14/18 2:13 PM
Moses | Los Angeles  Find all comments by Moses
The Modern bibles are all pollution, the source of it are fake, all fake, and modern scholar's world views, opinions, and suggestions have polluted these modern bibles more than ever.

Exodus 20:25
25 And if thou wilt make me an altar of stone, thou shalt not build it of hewn stone: for if thou lift up thy tool upon it, thou hast polluted it.

KJV is the perfect Bible, the authority, and the lamp for every Christian's journey in the midst of the convoluted world of modern bibles versions shouting for recognition as the best "light" bible when monstrous apostasy is flooding the christian modern world.

Scholars' voice is not, never an authority.

There is only on KJV.

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News Item7/13/18 6:12 PM
Just a Guy | Mississippi  Find all comments by Just a Guy
aesavedbygrace wrote:
Also, when people say KJV is THE best... which one? The 1611, 1629, 1638, 1762, 1769, or 1873 edition? Nothing against KJV but I read the Bible in order to understand the "thoughts" God wants me to think and understand. KJV is a tool to do that, along with other faithful translations and not stuff like the Message bible, Emoji bible, etc. which don't stick to the meaning of the original texts. Nothing to split churches over (unless you are talking about the emoji bible) but it's a good thing to think and LEARN about. Tradition can be a dangerous thing when it gets in the way of critical thinking."

No reason for anyone to say anything else...

Excellent 👍👍

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News Item7/13/18 5:22 PM
Dr. Tim | Possum Hollow, USA  Find all comments by Dr. Tim
As far as I know, nobody has ever suggested on here that those who don't speak English must use the KJV. It has been amply demonstrated, however, that the KJB is superior in accuracy, power and results to any other version in the English language. But you're right about one thing, Frank: these conversations do get nowhere fast.
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News Item7/13/18 5:17 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Frank to aesavedbybgrace wrote:
I agree with your logic completely. These types of debates generally go no where on this forum. I personally study using the NASB and post using the KJV because there are many who worship that translation.
It's good that your comment was a real tongue-in-cheek one, Pilgrim. Or you could find yourself guilty of encouraging idolatry.
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News Item7/13/18 4:04 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
aesavedbygrace wrote:
Also, when people say KJV is THE best... which one? The 1611, 1629, 1638, 1762, 1769, or 1873 edition? Nothing against KJV but I read the Bible in order to understand the "thoughts" God wants me to think and understand. KJV is a tool to do that, along with other faithful translations and not stuff like the Message bible, Emoji bible, etc. which don't stick to the meaning of the original texts. Nothing to split churches over (unless you are talking about the emoji bible) but it's a good thing to think and LEARN about. Tradition can be a dangerous thing when it gets in the way of critical thinking.
I agree with your logic completely. These types of debates generally go no where on this forum. I personally study using the NASB and post using the KJV because there are many who worship that translation.

Anyway, thanks for your comment! They do mean the KJV is THE word of God by the way.

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News Item7/13/18 3:40 PM
aesavedbygrace | Usa  Find all comments by aesavedbygrace
Just a question. I'm not sure if you mean the KJV is THE word of God but if you are, does that mean all peoples of the earth must now learn English because they must read the KJV to know the words of God?
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News Item7/13/18 3:33 PM
Dr. Tim | Possum Hollow, USA  Find all comments by Dr. Tim
Amen, Adriel.
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News Item7/13/18 3:27 PM
Adriel  Find all comments by Adriel
Question: Which version of the Bible has God been using for the last four centuries and still uses today?
= The King James Version of the Word of God.

Question: Which version of the Bible has suffered from Heretics like Westcott and Hort, Aland and Nestle AND from the presumptious sin of Higher Criticism?
= The modern versions which include the ideologies of sinners.

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News Item7/13/18 2:38 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Savedbygrace, you certainly gave some excellent examples.
Saved sinner, as far as electronic versions go, the ESV is free and out there. I suggest you get that since it's a lot more accurate than the KJV ever was
Douglas K. Kutilek wrote:
One finds in the actual, original, genuine 1611 KJV (no doubt “preserved in the form God wants us to have”) an introductory essay that states the translators’ perspective on their own and other translations (they, at least, were decidedly not “KJV-only”). If I could do just one thing to combat KJVOism, I would have every KJVO believer carefully read those eleven, highly informative pages....
--[URL=https://tinyurl.com/y9zcguuw]]]http://tinyurl.com/y9zcguuw (The Best Cure for KJVOism: A Real 1611 KJV)[/URL]

Continued....

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News Item7/13/18 2:36 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Douglas K. Kutilek wrote:
...The original translators’ English Bible text has literally thousands of variant marginal renderings (showing that they did not believe their translation as found in the text was infallibly correct), plus variant manuscript readings, showing that they did not believe that the manuscript reading given in their text was necessarily always right. One will also find numerous places where words are “omitted,” “added” or altered as compared with all modern editions of the KJV, to say nothing of a considerable number of printer’s errors (are these also part of the “perfect preservation” we hear so much about?). And one can discover on the title page of the NT those revealing words: “cum privilegio” (Latin: “with privilege”) which demonstrate the fact that this translation was copyrighted from the day it was first published (contrary to the misrepresentation on this point that is often part of KJVO teaching).
--[URL=https://tinyurl.com/y9zcguuw]]]http://tinyurl.com/y9zcguuw (The Best Cure for KJVOism: A Real 1611 KJV)[/URL]❗ .

Doug mentioned the facsimile that was being sold for the 400th anniversary of the KJV, and unfortunately you won't pick that up for $5 anymore.

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News Item7/13/18 1:47 PM
Dr. Tim | Possum Hollow, USA  Find all comments by Dr. Tim
Selvedge and ensample are both defined in the 1828 Webster's Dictionary, which is free online. Jesus said, "If a man love me, he will keep my words""--not my thoughts, but my words. God said we are to lay up His words--not His thoughts, but His words--in our heart and soul. He said, "Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you, I will make known my words unto you" (Proverbs 1:23). Not my thoughts; my words. If the King James Bible contains His words, it is His Word. If it is His Word, why resort to an inferior translation which is NOT His Word?
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News Item7/13/18 8:53 AM
Wayfarer Pilgrim | Lubbock,tx  Find all comments by Wayfarer Pilgrim
It is doubtful any other bible translation will have the standing of the KJV. I read an interesting article a couple of months back that stated that during Vatican 2, a agreed upon recommendation was that bible be placed in as many understandable translations as possible. Even in 1968, full of love, peace and joy, the Roman Catholic Church was undermining the Protestant Reformation.
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News Item7/13/18 8:45 AM
aesavedbygrace | Usa  Find all comments by aesavedbygrace
FYI: The examples of old English phrases in my first comment are from the KJV.
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News Item7/13/18 8:41 AM
aesavedbygrace | Usa  Find all comments by aesavedbygrace
Also, when people say KJV is THE best... which one? The 1611, 1629, 1638, 1762, 1769, or 1873 edition? Nothing against KJV but I read the Bible in order to understand the "thoughts" God wants me to think and understand. KJV is a tool to do that, along with other faithful translations and not stuff like the Message bible, Emoji bible, etc. which don't stick to the meaning of the original texts. Nothing to split churches over (unless you are talking about the emoji bible) but it's a good thing to think and LEARN about. Tradition can be a dangerous thing when it gets in the way of critical thinking.
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News Item7/13/18 8:15 AM
aesavedbygrace | Usa  Find all comments by aesavedbygrace
Interesting topic... I would suggest taking a listen to James White on the subject of translations and King James "onlyism". An authority on the subject if anyone. I grew up using KJV and continue using it but I also use ESV during Bible studies along side it. I agree with comment somewhere below. The purpose of a faithful translation is to transmit the message God delivered to the men before us who were moved by the Holy Spirit. New translations seem to have gotten bad press but there are faithful, Godly, scholarly men who are translating the original texts into great English versions such as the ESV with the purpose of staying faithful to the original texts and using modern English so that we can understand God's message. For example: What is the "the selvedge of the coupling" mean? Or if reading the Bible for the first time, what's an "ensample" mean?
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News Item7/13/18 7:42 AM
Saved Sinner | MN  Find all comments by Saved Sinner
Jim Lincoln, which version is easier to understand?
“Can that which is tasteless be eaten without salt, or is there any taste in the slime of the purslane?”
Job 6:6 RSV
‭‭or
“Can that which is unsavoury be eaten without salt? or is there any taste in the white of an egg?”
‭‭Job‬ ‭6:6‬ ‭KJV‬‬
I rest my case. New perversions are just that.
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News Item7/13/18 6:50 AM
Michael Davis | West Virginia  Contact via emailFind all comments by Michael Davis
The new Bibles are like reading a modern day magazine. They, in my opinion, lack the majesty and beauty of the Authorised Version. I will just stick with the old Book. Here is a interesting sermon/lecture on the topic. https://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=831151632580
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News Item7/13/18 4:35 AM
Dr. Tim | Possum Hollow, USA  Find all comments by Dr. Tim
KJV=the sword of the Lord. Other English versions=butter knives. Choose your weapon.
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